B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 1 NFL Network在搞一个"100 Best Players",
每星期四晚播一集, 推出10个球员.
#100 -- #11已经出来了
http://top100.nfl.com/
Troy Aikman & Steve Young #80 and #81,
Brett Favre & Tom Brady #20 and #21,
Ray Lewis #18 (实在太高了),
但是Anthony Munoz作为进攻线人, 还排到#12.
Jim Thorpe in 1950 被评为北美20世纪上半业最伟大的运动员,
然后到了1999又被绝大多数的媒体评为整个世纪的前三,
但到了这里只是#37.
With that in mind,
剩下的都是登峰造极的人物, 肯定是这10个人了.
QBs: Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning
RBs: Jim Brown, Walter Payton
WRs: Jerry Rice, Don Hutson
D: Lawrence Taylor, Dick Butkus, Reggie White
One of them does not belong here,
especially with his exact contemporary being ranked #21. | b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 2 manning! 我们cris carter居然没进top 100.. 这个list very WR unfriendly
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: NFL Network在搞一个"100 Best Players",
: 每星期四晚播一集, 推出10个球员.
: #100 -- #11已经出来了
: http://top100.nfl.com/
: Troy Aikman & Steve Young #80 and #81,
: Brett Favre & Tom Brady #20 and #21,
: Ray Lewis #18 (实在太高了),
: 但是Anthony Munoz作为进攻线人, 还排到#12.
: Jim Thorpe in 1950 被评为北美20世纪上半业最伟大的运动员,
: 然后到了1999又被绝大多数的媒体评为整个世纪的前三,
| p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 3 who ah?
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: NFL Network在搞一个"100 Best Players",
: 每星期四晚播一集, 推出10个球员.
: #100 -- #11已经出来了
: http://top100.nfl.com/
: Troy Aikman & Steve Young #80 and #81,
: Brett Favre & Tom Brady #20 and #21,
: Ray Lewis #18 (实在太高了),
: 但是Anthony Munoz作为进攻线人, 还排到#12.
: Jim Thorpe in 1950 被评为北美20世纪上半业最伟大的运动员,
: 然后到了1999又被绝大多数的媒体评为整个世纪的前三,
| M******k
发帖数: 27573 | 4 这显然是说Manning了,前面提了Brady排#21
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: who ah?
| z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 5 大蓝显然是说大白菜排不上啊，因为长鼻子才21...
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: who ah?
| p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 6 我英语太烂了，以为有个牛人没被排进前100呢。
【在 z*i 的大作中提到】
: 大蓝显然是说大白菜排不上啊，因为长鼻子才21...
| z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 7 恩， 估计chad, ochocinco肯定因为没拍进去非常的不满。
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: 我英语太烂了，以为有个牛人没被排进前100呢。
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 8 No active palyer, at the age of 34,
should be ranked among the top 10 in history in the most popular team sport.
Just out of respect for other retired greats you can't do that,
and most objective fans would put Manning and Brady about neck-to-neck.
Maybe Peyton was chosen to represpent his entire family. | p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 9 为什么是34岁，不是30，38？
sport.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: No active palyer, at the age of 34,
: should be ranked among the top 10 in history in the most popular team sport.
: Just out of respect for other retired greats you can't do that,
: and most objective fans would put Manning and Brady about neck-to-neck.
: Maybe Peyton was chosen to represpent his entire family.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 10 ?? Peyton Manning is 34.
The youngest player ever to enter the HOF (Gale Sayer), was 34.
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: 为什么是34岁，不是30，38？
:
: sport.
| | | p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 11 你刚才说No active palyer, at the age of 34,
should be ranked among the top 10 in history in the most popular team sport.
你这么一说我就明白了。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: ?? Peyton Manning is 34.
: The youngest player ever to enter the HOF (Gale Sayer), was 34.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 12 赫赫, 男人可能不爱钱财, 甚至不爱女人,
但是一到授勋, 授衔, 排名, 这些论资排辈的名堂, 没有不紧张的.
Deion Sanders被排第36, 非常不满.
(我觉得也是太低了, 他公认是历史上最好的CB, 这个D里最难打的位置,
而且他还有在kick return的贡献).
他的排名出来以后, 在NFL Network的节目里公开表示他的愤怒,
虽然NFLN就是NFL办的, 是发他工资的老板, 也顾不得了, 士可杀不可辱. | b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 13 我也觉得不靠谱。你看fan ranking和nfl ranking差的很多。不过30年代，40年代的人
，根本没几个人知道，进去的太多了。i'm not saying that's right or wrong, 这种
关公战秦琼的评比就是为了generate contraversy赚点击率的
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 赫赫, 男人可能不爱钱财, 甚至不爱女人,
: 但是一到授勋, 授衔, 排名, 这些论资排辈的名堂, 没有不紧张的.
: Deion Sanders被排第36, 非常不满.
: (我觉得也是太低了, 他公认是历史上最好的CB, 这个D里最难打的位置,
: 而且他还有在kick return的贡献).
: 他的排名出来以后, 在NFL Network的节目里公开表示他的愤怒,
: 虽然NFLN就是NFL办的, 是发他工资的老板, 也顾不得了, 士可杀不可辱.
| b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 14 媒体/观众/甚至大多数“职业”评论员... 在潜意识中，肯定是越靠近现在的球员，
越被器重，因为：
越靠近现在，越容易看到直观的视觉印象。
我们亲眼看见过 manning 多少 plays？我们又亲眼看见过 unitas 多少 plays？
对于 unitas 的伟大，我们只能从别人的记载，尤其是文字记载中得到，
我们看到的，是文字，是数字，要有足够的延伸理解才能够明白其中的意义。
而看画面，很容易就被某个play 倾倒了。
从这点上说，现在的球员占便宜，简直是占定了。
如果规定死后100年才有资格参选，这还比较公平，因为死后100和150年，
区别不大。 | B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 15 From today's MMQB column, on how the ranking was assembled:
"Anyway, here's how the balloting went: 85 voters --owners, GMs, NFL
executives and retired execs, coaches, owners, former coaches, broadcasters,
media and Hall of Fame voters -- got a list of 260 players. We were asked
to grade the players from 1 to 10 (with 10 being the best). When all the
ballots were gathered, NFL Films tallied up the votes, and the 100 highest-
rated players were ranked from 1 to 100 based on total points. For instance,
if Johnny Unitas was given a 10 by 70 voters and a 9 by the other 15, his
point total would have been 835. I have no idea about Unitas' point total; I
use him only as an example. But you see how the things works.
Seems the biggest controversy so far has been the ranking of the modern
quarterbacks (surprise) who've played since 1970. They've fallen in this
order: Brett Favre 20, Tom Brady 21, John Elway 23, Dan Marino 25, Roger
Staubach 46, Terry Bradshaw 50, Troy Aikman 80, Steve Young 81, Kurt Warner
90, Joe Namath 100. Obviously, there are a couple of quarterbacks I haven't
named who just might be in the last show. One is active and might be playing
tonight. Another is retired and has the same last name as a western state
with a very big sky. Anyway, it was a fun exercise. Thursday night will be
fun TV."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/10/31/monday-morning-qb-week-8/5.html#ixzz143nsX7nR
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: 媒体/观众/甚至大多数“职业”评论员... 在潜意识中，肯定是越靠近现在的球员，
: 越被器重，因为：
: 越靠近现在，越容易看到直观的视觉印象。
: 我们亲眼看见过 manning 多少 plays？我们又亲眼看见过 unitas 多少 plays？
: 对于 unitas 的伟大，我们只能从别人的记载，尤其是文字记载中得到，
: 我们看到的，是文字，是数字，要有足够的延伸理解才能够明白其中的意义。
: 而看画面，很容易就被某个play 倾倒了。
: 从这点上说，现在的球员占便宜，简直是占定了。
: 如果规定死后100年才有资格参选，这还比较公平，因为死后100和150年，
: 区别不大。
| a****y
发帖数: 2548 | 16 是不是Manning over Montana？
broadcasters,
instance,
I
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: From today's MMQB column, on how the ranking was assembled:
: "Anyway, here's how the balloting went: 85 voters --owners, GMs, NFL
: executives and retired execs, coaches, owners, former coaches, broadcasters,
: media and Hall of Fame voters -- got a list of 260 players. We were asked
: to grade the players from 1 to 10 (with 10 being the best). When all the
: ballots were gathered, NFL Films tallied up the votes, and the 100 highest-
: rated players were ranked from 1 to 100 based on total points. For instance,
: if Johnny Unitas was given a 10 by 70 voters and a 9 by the other 15, his
: point total would have been 835. I have no idea about Unitas' point total; I
: use him only as an example. But you see how the things works.
| d***o
发帖数: 6117 | 17 假如大白菜没进前十（which is more than likely），也就是说最终还排在suzy-
kisser和校花的后面？
broadcasters,
instance,
I
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: From today's MMQB column, on how the ranking was assembled:
: "Anyway, here's how the balloting went: 85 voters --owners, GMs, NFL
: executives and retired execs, coaches, owners, former coaches, broadcasters,
: media and Hall of Fame voters -- got a list of 260 players. We were asked
: to grade the players from 1 to 10 (with 10 being the best). When all the
: ballots were gathered, NFL Films tallied up the votes, and the 100 highest-
: rated players were ranked from 1 to 100 based on total points. For instance,
: if Johnny Unitas was given a 10 by 70 voters and a 9 by the other 15, his
: point total would have been 835. I have no idea about Unitas' point total; I
: use him only as an example. But you see how the things works.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 18 No no no. Based on who've already come out between #11 to #100,
Peyton is in the top 10. Guaranteed.
Petyon not in the top 100 at all is even more outrageous than him being in
the top 10.
【在 d***o 的大作中提到】
: 假如大白菜没进前十（which is more than likely），也就是说最终还排在suzy-
: kisser和校花的后面？
:
: broadcasters,
: instance,
: I
| m******g
发帖数: 516 | 19 The good stats went for Johnson.
【在 z*i 的大作中提到】
: 恩， 估计chad, ochocinco肯定因为没拍进去非常的不满。
| b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 20 So the voters have better than "average fans of today" knowledge /
understanding about the history / environment of NFL during different
periods. Still, they can't have witnessed all players on the ballet playing,
or watched them to the same extent, or "loved watching" certain players to
the same extent. Thus, the bias still exists, just better than average fans.
I bet the fan voting will be even more ridiculous - it's more dependent on
name popularity among fans of today - chances for Favre, Manning, Brady to
occupy top 3 spots are much more than zero.
broadcasters,
instance,
I
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: From today's MMQB column, on how the ranking was assembled:
: "Anyway, here's how the balloting went: 85 voters --owners, GMs, NFL
: executives and retired execs, coaches, owners, former coaches, broadcasters,
: media and Hall of Fame voters -- got a list of 260 players. We were asked
: to grade the players from 1 to 10 (with 10 being the best). When all the
: ballots were gathered, NFL Films tallied up the votes, and the 100 highest-
: rated players were ranked from 1 to 100 based on total points. For instance,
: if Johnny Unitas was given a 10 by 70 voters and a 9 by the other 15, his
: point total would have been 835. I have no idea about Unitas' point total; I
: use him only as an example. But you see how the things works.
| o*******6
发帖数: 6113 | 21 Ray Lewis #18, Mike Singletary #58。
这个排名对现役球员照顾太多了。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: NFL Network在搞一个"100 Best Players",
: 每星期四晚播一集, 推出10个球员.
: #100 -- #11已经出来了
: http://top100.nfl.com/
: Troy Aikman & Steve Young #80 and #81,
: Brett Favre & Tom Brady #20 and #21,
: Ray Lewis #18 (实在太高了),
: 但是Anthony Munoz作为进攻线人, 还排到#12.
: Jim Thorpe in 1950 被评为北美20世纪上半业最伟大的运动员,
: 然后到了1999又被绝大多数的媒体评为整个世纪的前三,
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