z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Parenting 讨论区 】
发信人: zing20 (五湖四海), 信区: Parenting
标 题: 尖锐直面亚裔在美国的出路：Wesley Yang的Paper Tiger
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 29 13:26:21 2014, 美东)
http://nymag.com/news/features/asian-americans-2011-5/
去年就听说，但昨天才有空读完了Wesley Yang在2011年写的Paper Tiger，这篇非常有
力，用词不拘一格的文章对我的冲击很大。文章非常尖锐，结合具体人和事例讨论了为
何亚裔在美国融入困难，为何对亚裔有那么多stereotype，为何亚裔在职场难于晋升，
等等值得在美亚裔思考，反思的问题。建议每一个亚裔父母都读一下，也建议看一看文
章后面的读者评论，其中有很多亚裔读者的切身体会和思考。
因为作者的写作手法，俺建议通读全文，否则容易断章取义。 | C**********e
发帖数: 23303 | | x******g
发帖数: 33885 | | z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 4 该文章很长，这里提供一个英文摘要和部分引文。
Ed. Note: Wesley Yang's piece, "Paper Tigers", presents fascinating insight
into the lives of Asian-Americans faced with life and career disappointment
after the diplomas, along with ways Asian-Americans are changing the game
to avoid these pitfalls, stemming from their values, upbringing, and
cultural norms. The take-aways are many, and we've selected only a few to
highlight in this venue. It's a recommended read in its entirety to
appreciate the full context and nuances.
......
Sometimes I'll glimpse my reflection in a window and feel astonished by what
I see. Jet-black hair. Slanted eyes. A pancake-flat surface of yellow-and-
green-toned skin. An expression that is nearly reptilian in its impassivity.
I've contrived to think of this face as the equal in beauty to any other.
But what I feel in these moments is its strangeness to me. It's my face. I
can't disclaim it. But what does it have to do with me?
(snip)
Here is what I sometimes suspect my face signifies to other Americans: an
invisible person, barely distinguishable from a mass of faces that resemble
it. A conspicuous person standing apart from the crowd and yet devoid of any
individuality. An icon of so much that the culture pretends to honor but
that it in fact patronizes and exploits. Not just people "who are good at
math" and play the violin, but a mass of stifled, repressed, abused,
conformist quasi-robots who simply do not matter, socially or culturally.
(snip)
Let me summarize my feelings toward Asian values: Fuck filial piety. Fuck
grade-grubbing. Fuck Ivy League mania. Fuck deference to authority. Fuck
humility and hard work. Fuck harmonious relations. Fuck sacrificing for the
future. Fuck earnest, striving middle-class servility.
I understand the reasons Asian parents have raised a generation of children
this way. Doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer: These are good jobs open to
whoever works hard enough. What could be wrong with that pursuit? Asians
graduate from college at a rate higher than any other ethnic group in
America, including whites. They earn a higher median family income than any
other ethnic group in America, including whites. This is a stage in a
triumphal narrative, and it is a narrative that is much shorter than many
remember. Two thirds of the roughly 14 million Asian-Americans are foreign-
born. There were less than 39,000 people of Korean descent living in America
in 1970, when my elder brother was born. There are around 1 million today.
Asian-American success is typically taken to ratify the American Dream and
to prove that minorities can make it in this country without handouts. Still
, an undercurrent of racial panic always accompanies the consideration of
Asians, and all the more so as China becomes the destination for our
industrial base and the banker controlling our burgeoning debt. But if the
armies of Chinese factory workers who make our fast fashion and iPads
terrify us, and if the collective mass of high- achieving Asian-American
students arouse an anxiety about the laxity of American parenting, what of
the Asian-American who obeyed everything his parents told him? Does this
person really scare anyone?
Earlier this year, the publication of Amy Chua's Battle Hymn of the Tiger
Mother incited a collective airing out of many varieties of race-based
hysteria. But absent from the millions of words written in response to the
book was any serious consideration of whether Asian-Americans were in fact
taking over this country. If it is true that they are collectively
dominating in elite high schools and universities, is it also true that
Asian-Americans are dominating in the real world? My strong suspicion was
that this was not so, and that the reasons would not be hard to find. If we
are a collective juggernaut that inspires such awe and fear, why does it
seem that so many Asians are so readily perceived to be, as I myself have
felt most of my life, the products of a timid culture, easily pushed around
by more assertive people, and thus basically invisible?
(snip)
Entrance to Stuyvesant, one of the most competitive public high schools in
the country, is determined solely by performance on a test: The top 3.7
percent of all New York City students who take the Specialized High Schools
Admissions Test hoping to go to Stuyvesant are accepted. There are no set-
asides for the underprivileged or, conversely, for alumni or other
privileged groups. There is no formula to encourage "diversity" or any
nebulous concept of "well- roundedness" or "character." Here we have
something like pure meritocracy. This is what it looks like: Asian-
Americans, who make up 12.6 percent of New York City, make up 72 percent of
the high school.
This year, 569 Asian-Americans scored high enough to earn a slot at
Stuyvesant, along with 179 whites, 13 Hispanics, and 12 blacks. Such
dramatic overrepresentation, and what it may be read to imply about the
intelligence of different groups of New Yorkers, has a way of making people
uneasy. But intrinsic intelligence, of course, is precisely what Asians don'
t believe in. They believe - and have proved - that the constant practice of
test-taking will improve the scores of whoever commits to it. All
throughout Flushing, as well as in Bayside, one can find "cram schools," or
storefront academies, that drill students in test preparation after school,
on weekends, and during summer break. "Learning math is not about learning
math," an instructor at one called Ivy Prep was quoted in the New York Times
as saying. "It's about weightlifting. You are pumping the iron of math."
Mao puts it more specifically: "You learn quite simply to nail any
standardized test you take."
And so there is an additional concern accompanying the rise of the Tiger
Children, one focused more on the narrowness of the educational experience a
non-Asian child might receive in the company of fanatically preprofessional
Asian students. . . . (snip) . . . In 2005, The Wall Street Journal
reported on "white flight" from a high school in Cupertino, California, that
began soon after the children of Asian software engineers had made the
place so brutally competitive that a B average could place you in the bottom
third of the class.
Colleges have a way of correcting for this imbalance: The Princeton
sociologist Thomas Espenshade has calculated that an Asian applicant must,
in practice, score 140 points higher on the SAT than a comparable white
applicant to have the same chance of admission. This is obviously unfair to
the many qualified Asian individuals who are punished for the success of
others with similar faces. Upper-middle-class white kids, after all, have
their own elite private schools, and their own private tutors, far more
expensive than the cram schools, to help them game the education system. . .
.
(snip)
"At Stuy, it's completely different: If you looked at the pinnacle, the
girls and the guys are not only good-looking and socially affable, they also
get the best grades and star in the school plays and win election to
student government. It all converges at the top. It's like training for high
society. It was jarring for us Chinese kids. You got the sense that you had
to study hard, but it wasn't enough.
(snip)
The researcher was talking about what some refer to as the "Bamboo Ceiling"
- an invisible barrier that maintains a pyramidal racial structure
throughout corporate America, with lots of Asians at junior levels, quite a
few in middle management, and virtually none in the higher reaches of
leadership. . . .
(snip)
Maybe it is simply the case that a traditionally Asian upbringing is the
problem. As Allyn points out, in order to be a leader, you must have
followers. Associates at Pricewaterhouse Coopers are initially judged on how
well they do the work they are assigned. "You have to be a doer," as she
puts it. They are expected to distinguish themselves with their diligence,
at which point they become "super-doers." But being a leader requires
different skill sets. "The traits that got you to where you are won't
necessarily take you to the next level," says the diversity consultant Jane
Hyun, who wrote a book called Breaking the Bamboo Ceiling. To become a
leader requires taking personal initiative and thinking about how an
organization can work differently. It also requires networking, self-
promotion, and self-assertion. It's racist to think that any
given Asian individual is unlikely to be creative or risk-taking. It's
simple cultural observation to say that a group whose education has
historically focused on rote memorization and "pumping the iron of math" is,
on aggregate, unlikely
to yield many people inclined to challenge authority or break with inherited
ways of doing things.
(snip)
In the book, Chua (Ed. Note: Amy Chua's Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother)
portrays her distaste for corporate law, which she practiced before going
into academe. "My entire three years at the firm, I always felt like I was
playacting, ridiculous in my suit," she writes. This malaise extended even
earlier, to her time as a student. "I didn't care about the rights of
criminals the way others did, and I froze whenever a professor called on me.
I also wasn't naturally skeptical and questioning; I just wanted to write
down everything the professor said and memorize it."
At the AASA gathering at Yale, Chua made the connection between her
upbringing and her adult dissatisfaction. "My parents didn't sit around
talking about politics and philosophy at the dinner table," she told the
students. Even after she had escaped from corporate law and made it onto a
law faculty, "I was kind of lost. I just didn't feel the passion."
Eventually, she made a name for herself as the author of popular books about
foreign policy and became an award-winning teacher. But it's plain that she
was no better prepared for legal scholarship than she had been for
corporate law. "It took me a long, long time," she said. "And I went through
lots and lots of rejection." She recalled her extended search for an
academic post, in which she was "just not able to do a good interview, just
not able to present myself well."
In other words, Battle Hymn provides all the material needed to refute the
very cultural polemic for which it was made to stand. Chua's Chinese
education had gotten her through an elite schooling, but it left her
unprepared for the real world. She does not hide any of this. She had set
out, she explained, to write a memoir that was "defiantly self-incriminating
" -- and the result was a messy jumble of conflicting impulses, part
provocation, part self-critique. Western readers rode roughshod over this
paradox and made of Chua a kind of Asian minstrel figure. But more than
anything else, Battle Hymn is a very American project - one no traditional
Chinese person would think to undertake. "Even if you hate the book," Chua
pointed out, "the one thing it is not is meek." (cont.) | z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 5 他是韩裔，应该不懂中文。
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: Wesley Yang 上菌斑吗？
| c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 6 亚裔最大的问题：
1.把原始从林的野蛮霉国社会幻想成什么“公平公开”的极乐园
2.过分强调自我的反思，喜欢拿自己鞭抽自己
3.外发
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 他是韩裔，应该不懂中文。
| b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 7 八大发克：
Let me summarize my feelings toward Asian values: Fuck filial piety. Fuck
grade-grubbing. Fuck Ivy League mania. Fuck deference to authority. Fuck
humility and hard work. Fuck harmonious relations. Fuck sacrificing for the
future. Fuck earnest, striving middle-class servility. | m**i
发帖数: 9848 | 8 没错啊，在美帝过得好就是要当asshole，要bully别人，exploit美帝里被上帝驯服的
顺民。
the
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 八大发克：
: Let me summarize my feelings toward Asian values: Fuck filial piety. Fuck
: grade-grubbing. Fuck Ivy League mania. Fuck deference to authority. Fuck
: humility and hard work. Fuck harmonious relations. Fuck sacrificing for the
: future. Fuck earnest, striving middle-class servility.
| x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 9 这家伙看来有病：
Let me summarize my feelings toward Asian values: Fuck filial piety. Fuck
grade-grubbing. Fuck Ivy League mania. Fuck deference to authority. Fuck
humility and hard work. Fuck harmonious relations. Fuck sacrificing for the
future. Fuck earnest, striving middle-class servility.
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 他是韩裔，应该不懂中文。
| m********5
发帖数: 17667 | 10 最烦版上有人亚裔亚裔的提，好像华人待遇和别的亚裔一致一样...
这种提法太傻逼了
好像美国人平等treat所有亚裔一样
这JB就是自我安慰
华人就是华人，华裔不可能得到印裔，日裔，韩裔，甚至越南裔，菲律宾裔的待遇
说白了，华裔是美国最最底层的屁民
别JB一天到晚亚裔亚裔的了，你说你是日本人得到的待遇明显区别于任何大中华地区来
的人:大陆，香港，台湾。
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 他是韩裔，应该不懂中文。
| | | z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 11 根据我自己的经历和观察，觉得至少东亚人在白人眼里都差不多，他们也分不清华人，
韩国人和日本人。
我所在的公司里，亚裔，包括印度人，在升职上的机会感觉也差不多。
【在 m********5 的大作中提到】
: 最烦版上有人亚裔亚裔的提，好像华人待遇和别的亚裔一致一样...
: 这种提法太傻逼了
: 好像美国人平等treat所有亚裔一样
: 这JB就是自我安慰
: 华人就是华人，华裔不可能得到印裔，日裔，韩裔，甚至越南裔，菲律宾裔的待遇
: 说白了，华裔是美国最最底层的屁民
: 别JB一天到晚亚裔亚裔的了，你说你是日本人得到的待遇明显区别于任何大中华地区来
: 的人:大陆，香港，台湾。
| d****o
发帖数: 32610 | 12 根子就在自恨
劳模样子跟亚裔差不多，英语说得还不如亚裔，没听说谁整天嫌自己民族长得丑的
这个问题上新移民明显好过这帮自称“asian american”的
而且随着中国的发展以后会越来越明显
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 根据我自己的经历和观察，觉得至少东亚人在白人眼里都差不多，他们也分不清华人，
: 韩国人和日本人。
: 我所在的公司里，亚裔，包括印度人，在升职上的机会感觉也差不多。
| c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 13 白人也懒得分
就像华人自己也懒得分究竟是el savador来的还是墨西哥来的一产
更不要提霉国WASP本来地理就差得一塌糊涂。
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 根据我自己的经历和观察，觉得至少东亚人在白人眼里都差不多，他们也分不清华人，
: 韩国人和日本人。
: 我所在的公司里，亚裔，包括印度人，在升职上的机会感觉也差不多。
| w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 14 说过了，就是种族竞争。学习成绩再好，一看是华人，美国公司就不用你。什么服从不
服从，什么文化兼容，都是借口。 | t***u
发帖数: 445 | 15 喜大普奔
good for china
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 根据我自己的经历和观察，觉得至少东亚人在白人眼里都差不多，他们也分不清华人，
: 韩国人和日本人。
: 我所在的公司里，亚裔，包括印度人，在升职上的机会感觉也差不多。
| z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 16 其实也不奇怪，设想一个中国的公司，会大量重用白人或黑人吗？
所以我看终极解决办法是，亚裔在人数和财富上不断壮大，控制更多选票，议席，大量
创立自己的公司和组织，按自己的规则来玩。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 说过了，就是种族竞争。学习成绩再好，一看是华人，美国公司就不用你。什么服从不
: 服从，什么文化兼容，都是借口。
| G*********e
发帖数: 2091 | | Q****r
发帖数: 7340 | 18 你不是号称如果班上亚裔过半要给孩子转学么？
你不是非常支持学校diversity么？支持按照种族分配么？
有你这样的人，亚裔能不被歧视就怪了
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 其实也不奇怪，设想一个中国的公司，会大量重用白人或黑人吗？
: 所以我看终极解决办法是，亚裔在人数和财富上不断壮大，控制更多选票，议席，大量
: 创立自己的公司和组织，按自己的规则来玩。
| M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 19
the
东亚人里，我最看不起的就是韩裔。
因为男女都比中日裔更媚外和舔白。
这篇文章说自己和亚裔是Reptilian。
意思就是冷血，没良知，阴险狡诈。
heartless, conniving and devious
这家伙的文章对亚裔完全没有好处。
难怪米疣的纽约时报会显眼的刊登。
他的文章也暴露了他对米国的无知。
亚裔的困境完全是米疣精心塑造的。
http://bit.ly/1q0cti8
亚裔受米疣陷害，还不断抹黑自己。
还自干充当米疣的挡箭牌和替罪羊。
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: 这家伙看来有病：
: Let me summarize my feelings toward Asian values: Fuck filial piety. Fuck
: grade-grubbing. Fuck Ivy League mania. Fuck deference to authority. Fuck
: humility and hard work. Fuck harmonious relations. Fuck sacrificing for the
: future. Fuck earnest, striving middle-class servility.
| z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 20 呵呵，造谣也打个草稿好吗？
【在 Q****r 的大作中提到】
: 你不是号称如果班上亚裔过半要给孩子转学么？
: 你不是非常支持学校diversity么？支持按照种族分配么？
: 有你这样的人，亚裔能不被歧视就怪了
| | | z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 21 拜托，都是亚裔，本来在美国人就少，还互相看不起。你打算去团结白人，黑人，还是
西班牙裔？
【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】
:
: the
: 东亚人里，我最看不起的就是韩裔。
: 因为男女都比中日裔更媚外和舔白。
: 这篇文章说自己和亚裔是Reptilian。
: 意思就是冷血，没良知，阴险狡诈。
: heartless, conniving and devious
: 这家伙的文章对亚裔完全没有好处。
: 难怪米疣的纽约时报会显眼的刊登。
: 他的文章也暴露了他对米国的无知。
| M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 22
华人如果不知道是谁在陷害自己，
谁该提防，还能正确知道该团结谁？
以你的负值政治智商，就别误导华人。
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 拜托，都是亚裔，本来在美国人就少，还互相看不起。你打算去团结白人，黑人，还是
: 西班牙裔？
| w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 23
1930年以前的德国犹太人就是这么干的。嗯
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 其实也不奇怪，设想一个中国的公司，会大量重用白人或黑人吗？
: 所以我看终极解决办法是，亚裔在人数和财富上不断壮大，控制更多选票，议席，大量
: 创立自己的公司和组织，按自己的规则来玩。
| S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 24 差远了。空间还很大。
当年80%德国股票经纪是犹太人。银行，剧院什么的也多在犹太人手里。
华人还差得远得多。
犹太人达到那样的水平是有历史原因的。基督教成为罗马国教以后，犹太人就被歧视迫
害，jesus killer么。正经职业是不能做的，政府官员，军人什么的，只能从事贱业。
放贷什么的是当时被鄙视的营生，犹太人只能做这些。后来就发展成在金融业的最大的
势力了。
华人进入西方国家社会还刚一百多年，现在这种情况也情有可原，没什么可惊讶的。那
文章的作者虽然看到了问题，但是没有从历史高度去看问题。保持华人移民刻苦进取的
作风，文化习俗差异柱子天花板都可以突破，迟早要达到可以和犹太人比肩的高度。
问题是要保持住自己的民族认同。这个犹太人做的好。华人就怕几代混血面孔没那多亚
洲特征以后，都不认同是华人了。那就没法儿了。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: 1930年以前的德国犹太人就是这么干的。嗯
| Q****r
发帖数: 7340 | 25 需要我打草稿么？
去年Jimmy喊杀光全中国人，大家都义愤填膺，你还记得你怎么表演的么？对大家冷嘲
热讽，说什么不懂美国文化了
后来80-20站出来了，你才赶紧改变态度。不愧是80-20的宣传人员。
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，造谣也打个草稿好吗？
| j*****p
发帖数: 24000 | 26 还是要一战立威
今天美帝白人的威风还是靠当年二战打赢东亚日本得来的
东亚人想要把自己的价值观推广开来，还是得靠航母编队
说真的，这套东西自古就行得通，就跟看见裸女就硬了道理一样，根植于人们内心深处
，无论你多么普世，主体还是看你战斗力强不强 | h****g
发帖数: 11365 | 27
自我反思没问题，不自我反思的是黑人。不团结和精神外f是主因。
【在 c*****g 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔最大的问题：
: 1.把原始从林的野蛮霉国社会幻想成什么“公平公开”的极乐园
: 2.过分强调自我的反思，喜欢拿自己鞭抽自己
: 3.外发
| z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 28 同意， 一个种族自我反思当然没问题。
把头埋在沙子里，以为自己老子天下第一才是问题。
【在 h****g 的大作中提到】
:
: 自我反思没问题，不自我反思的是黑人。不团结和精神外f是主因。
| s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 29 就是就是。日，韩，南越，菲都是美国的盟国，他们的移民享受待遇哪里是华裔能比的。
【在 m********5 的大作中提到】
: 最烦版上有人亚裔亚裔的提，好像华人待遇和别的亚裔一致一样...
: 这种提法太傻逼了
: 好像美国人平等treat所有亚裔一样
: 这JB就是自我安慰
: 华人就是华人，华裔不可能得到印裔，日裔，韩裔，甚至越南裔，菲律宾裔的待遇
: 说白了，华裔是美国最最底层的屁民
: 别JB一天到晚亚裔亚裔的了，你说你是日本人得到的待遇明显区别于任何大中华地区来
: 的人:大陆，香港，台湾。
| z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 30 呵呵，这是你的臆想还是事实？
的。
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 就是就是。日，韩，南越，菲都是美国的盟国，他们的移民享受待遇哪里是华裔能比的。
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