b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 1 http://www.detnews.com/article/20100510/SPORTS0201/5100435/1131/Rich-Rodrigu
ez--Lloyd-Carr--Morgan-Trent-spar-on-book-passage
据说到处说自己球员的坏话 (morgan trent)
“Rodriguez had bad-mouthed him to every NFL scout he could,” Deren writes.
“Rodriguez claimed that Morgan was lazy, he had an attitude problem and he
was a big reason the Wolverines finished with a 3-9 record…” |
J********3
发帖数: 3151 | 2 给他嘴上贴个胶布，说不定就9-3了！
writes.
he
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100510/SPORTS0201/5100435/1131/Rich-Rodrigu
: ez--Lloyd-Carr--Morgan-Trent-spar-on-book-passage
: 据说到处说自己球员的坏话 (morgan trent)
: “Rodriguez had bad-mouthed him to every NFL scout he could,” Deren writes.
: “Rodriguez claimed that Morgan was lazy, he had an attitude problem and he
: was a big reason the Wolverines finished with a 3-9 record…”
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p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 3 11-1
【在 J********3 的大作中提到】
: 给他嘴上贴个胶布，说不定就9-3了！
:
: writes.
: he
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p*****c
发帖数: 1506 | 4 我觉得更critial的是这两句：
“It was there that Coach Carr told Morgan why he wasn't drafted until the
sixth round.”
"Lloyd didn't bring any of this to my attention," Trent said. "When we spoke
, I brought it up to him, and he said he had heard some of the same things."
阴谋论一下，倒RR党贼心不死啊~~~~
writes.
he
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100510/SPORTS0201/5100435/1131/Rich-Rodrigu
: ez--Lloyd-Carr--Morgan-Trent-spar-on-book-passage
: 据说到处说自己球员的坏话 (morgan trent)
: “Rodriguez had bad-mouthed him to every NFL scout he could,” Deren writes.
: “Rodriguez claimed that Morgan was lazy, he had an attitude problem and he
: was a big reason the Wolverines finished with a 3-9 record…”
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 5 这件事的核心是Carr。Trent基本上夸张了，把Carr也摆上去了。Carr已经出来清澄了
。RR只是说了实话，从Trent的最后一年表现和他之后说的话，明显就是当时不buy in
，没尽力。
看看Trent和今年的Warren，宁愿冒险draft也不留一年，可见这个secondary coach有
多烂。 |
g*********d
发帖数: 8125 | 6 R2新闻人物阿
writes.
he
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100510/SPORTS0201/5100435/1131/Rich-Rodrigu
: ez--Lloyd-Carr--Morgan-Trent-spar-on-book-passage
: 据说到处说自己球员的坏话 (morgan trent)
: “Rodriguez had bad-mouthed him to every NFL scout he could,” Deren writes.
: “Rodriguez claimed that Morgan was lazy, he had an attitude problem and he
: was a big reason the Wolverines finished with a 3-9 record…”
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l********e
发帖数: 2499 | 7 Trent也是，你在大学都不好好练，职业联赛的人会怎么看你。
不过貌似最后选秀顺位还不错，不知道在NFL打的如何。
咱们这赛季不用原来的那个secondary coach了吧。
in
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 这件事的核心是Carr。Trent基本上夸张了，把Carr也摆上去了。Carr已经出来清澄了
: 。RR只是说了实话，从Trent的最后一年表现和他之后说的话，明显就是当时不buy in
: ，没尽力。
: 看看Trent和今年的Warren，宁愿冒险draft也不留一年，可见这个secondary coach有
: 多烂。
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m*********r
发帖数: 4692 | 8 一般，天资有限，和hall是没法比
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: Trent也是，你在大学都不好好练，职业联赛的人会怎么看你。
: 不过貌似最后选秀顺位还不错，不知道在NFL打的如何。
: 咱们这赛季不用原来的那个secondary coach了吧。
:
: in
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 9 还是那个。只管CB了。saftey好像不归他管了。
不过他能recruit，就是了。
Trent最后靠combine，跑得快提高了一点draft pick，他和Leon Hall在college的表现
简直没得比，更不用说以前的更牛的我密CB了。
不过我密在Carr时代一向是CB的大户，出了唯一害死人的CB,武松。所以很多好CB还是愿意来，而且我们那时的CB coach好像很有名。老实说，老车的assistant coach其实都很好，就是他自己和OC,DC不太行。现在RR的HC,OC,DC都还不错，就是某几个assistant coach不行。
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: Trent也是，你在大学都不好好练，职业联赛的人会怎么看你。
: 不过貌似最后选秀顺位还不错，不知道在NFL打的如何。
: 咱们这赛季不用原来的那个secondary coach了吧。
:
: in
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 10 怎么能这么说。以前好是因为assistant好，和HC没关系；现在烂是assistant烂，还是
和HC没关系？assistant是谁雇的？按你的说法，charlie weis该续约100年了。呵呵
是愿意来，而且我们那时的CB coach好像很有名。老实说，老车的assistant coach其
实都很好，就是他自己和OC,DC不太行。现在RR的HC,OC,DC都还不错，就是某几个
assistant coach不行。
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是那个。只管CB了。saftey好像不归他管了。
: 不过他能recruit，就是了。
: Trent最后靠combine，跑得快提高了一点draft pick，他和Leon Hall在college的表现
: 简直没得比，更不用说以前的更牛的我密CB了。
: 不过我密在Carr时代一向是CB的大户，出了唯一害死人的CB,武松。所以很多好CB还是愿意来，而且我们那时的CB coach好像很有名。老实说，老车的assistant coach其实都很好，就是他自己和OC,DC不太行。现在RR的HC,OC,DC都还不错，就是某几个assistant coach不行。
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 11 不要自动引申，我只是说assistant好还是坏，没说和HC没关系。大家都知道好的OC,DC
有多重要。
而且，我也不觉得以前有多好。Carr的后期明显under achieved，assistant不错，但是DC,OC不成。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 怎么能这么说。以前好是因为assistant好，和HC没关系；现在烂是assistant烂，还是
: 和HC没关系？assistant是谁雇的？按你的说法，charlie weis该续约100年了。呵呵
:
: 是愿意来，而且我们那时的CB coach好像很有名。老实说，老车的assistant coach其
: 实都很好，就是他自己和OC,DC不太行。现在RR的HC,OC,DC都还不错，就是某几个
: assistant coach不行。
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 12 我可没引申，我是引用啊。你自己说的，老车不咋样，RR"还不错"
DC
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 不要自动引申，我只是说assistant好还是坏，没说和HC没关系。大家都知道好的OC,DC
: 有多重要。
: 而且，我也不觉得以前有多好。Carr的后期明显under achieved，assistant不错，但是DC,OC不成。
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 13 我没说以前好是因为assistant好。现在烂是assistant烂。我跟本没觉得以前有多好。
或者说，我觉得本来可以更好。如果老车能够年轻10岁，或者懂得变通。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 我可没引申，我是引用啊。你自己说的，老车不咋样，RR"还不错"
:
: DC
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 14 拿过NC, 还有一次差点进NC (2006). 还不算好？JT来以前随便搞ohio state (Cooper
的球队实力比JT的强大多了其实)
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 我没说以前好是因为assistant好。现在烂是assistant烂。我跟本没觉得以前有多好。
: 或者说，我觉得本来可以更好。如果老车能够年轻10岁，或者懂得变通。
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p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 15 do not argue with diehard fans.
Cooper
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 拿过NC, 还有一次差点进NC (2006). 还不算好？JT来以前随便搞ohio state (Cooper
: 的球队实力比JT的强大多了其实)
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 16 i should stop argue with him.
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: do not argue with diehard fans.
:
: Cooper
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g*********d
发帖数: 8125 | 17 我密在carr手下貌似头几年比后几年要更productive
一个教练总会有高有低，所以说carr后来underachieve了，也不能说就全错
我想JT也不可能总在osu作教练，如果R2辟邪剑法练成了，赢了JT几场，估计osu的球迷
也会对JT的保守风格有意见了。不过球迷忘记了人家靠着不犯错误，让别人犯错误赢了
不少冠军第。
Cooper
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 拿过NC, 还有一次差点进NC (2006). 还不算好？JT来以前随便搞ohio state (Cooper
: 的球队实力比JT的强大多了其实)
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 18 JT不到60岁。估计还有个5年左右。
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】
: 我密在carr手下貌似头几年比后几年要更productive
: 一个教练总会有高有低，所以说carr后来underachieve了，也不能说就全错
: 我想JT也不可能总在osu作教练，如果R2辟邪剑法练成了，赢了JT几场，估计osu的球迷
: 也会对JT的保守风格有意见了。不过球迷忘记了人家靠着不犯错误，让别人犯错误赢了
: 不少冠军第。
:
: Cooper
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | |
r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 20 Are you saying he is a die-hard Carr fan? @_^
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: i should stop argue with him.
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g*********d
发帖数: 8125 | 21 he is a die-hard Carr-last-7-year fan
【在 r******s 的大作中提到】
: Are you saying he is a die-hard Carr fan? @_^
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 22 I like Carr more than RR because although I want you guys to be at least som
ewhat competitive - you guys at the bottom of big ten is not good for anybod
y
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】
: he is a die-hard Carr-last-7-year fan
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i**r
发帖数: 998 | 23 It will be very interesting to read BRMJ's posts in Carr's early
years.
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】
: he is a die-hard Carr-last-7-year fan
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p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 24 mitbbs did not exist in those early years.
【在 i**r 的大作中提到】
: It will be very interesting to read BRMJ's posts in Carr's early
: years.
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 25 显然我还是说carr is a good coach啊。总是以弱胜强干掉cooper
【在 i**r 的大作中提到】
: It will be very interesting to read BRMJ's posts in Carr's early
: years.
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 26 Read this. RR finally speak out that he did not say anything about Trent.
And Scout says, it doesn't matter what RR said. Trent is still a 6th round
pick. Trent is misled by others surrounding him. Even RR bad-mouthed him, it
's not the major cause for his draft stock to slide.
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/rich-rodriguez-morgan-trent-flap-much-ado-about-nothing/ |
b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 27 影响不大，但是RR到底说坏话没有，who knows.
it
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: Read this. RR finally speak out that he did not say anything about Trent.
: And Scout says, it doesn't matter what RR said. Trent is still a 6th round
: pick. Trent is misled by others surrounding him. Even RR bad-mouthed him, it
: 's not the major cause for his draft stock to slide.
: http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/rich-rodriguez-morgan-trent-flap-much-ado-about-nothing/
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 28 nobody know. But what if he only told the truth. Trent did not play well and
did not buy in the system in his senior year, he has attitude problem. That
's the obvious. As long as RR didn't tell the scout any misleading
information (which i don't think he did), I am fine.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 影响不大，但是RR到底说坏话没有，who knows.
:
: it
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J********3
发帖数: 3151 | 29 说肯定说了，他这样的教练教练不骂队员才怪了。当然俺没听见，也没看见，瞎猜的。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 影响不大，但是RR到底说坏话没有，who knows.
:
: it
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 30 if RR said what he said, he's probably telling the truth anyway. this i agre
e. but does a coach tell scouts bad things about his players even if they're
true? that's the problem
and
That
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: nobody know. But what if he only told the truth. Trent did not play well and
: did not buy in the system in his senior year, he has attitude problem. That
: 's the obvious. As long as RR didn't tell the scout any misleading
: information (which i don't think he did), I am fine.
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 31 未必，很多老板对自己学生都很tough，但是在外总是赞自己的学生。 |
Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 32 Depending on how the scout ask him. RR may not bring this up, but if the
scout asked him about that, why he wanted to lie?
Let me fwd a fan's comment for this:
These so-called stories about RR badmouthing Trent and Lloyd Carr telling him this stuff are fabricated. That's obvious. They're completely inconsistent with logic and the personalities of both coaches. Neither would have anything to gain by saying those things and everything to lose.
These days, you CAN'T believe stories like this that a
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: if RR said what he said, he's probably telling the truth anyway. this i agre
: e. but does a coach tell scouts bad things about his players even if they're
: true? that's the problem
:
: and
: That
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i**r
发帖数: 998 | 33 Trent was my most disliked CB in Carr's days. He gave up too many big plays
and made a lot of stupid mistakes. Actually I was surprised that he was
drafted into NFL. Old guys may still remember that in one of old posts
bashing about him, I had thought he was a walkon and it might be BigBlue or
somebody who corrected me about his background. |
i**r
发帖数: 998 | 34 手掌是80后？
MITBBS LAUNCHED IN 97
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: mitbbs did not exist in those early years.
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 35 he is believed to be as fast as (or faster than) Ted Ginn Jr. But i never
see that speed on the football field.
plays
or
【在 i**r 的大作中提到】
: Trent was my most disliked CB in Carr's days. He gave up too many big plays
: and made a lot of stupid mistakes. Actually I was surprised that he was
: drafted into NFL. Old guys may still remember that in one of old posts
: bashing about him, I had thought he was a walkon and it might be BigBlue or
: somebody who corrected me about his background.
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g*********d
发帖数: 8125 | 36 noway
u remember he chase down Percy Harvin in capital one bowl?
he just doesn't know the game most of the time. Speed is not everything
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: he is believed to be as fast as (or faster than) Ted Ginn Jr. But i never
: see that speed on the football field.
:
: plays
: or
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 37 i almost forgot that, hehe. |
r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 38 They put it in a book, so it got to be true.
That's the world we live in.
Sometimes I sympathize RR. @_^
When you become a high paid coach and started with a reputation,
it sticks with you.
JT was no exception at the beginning of his career at tOSU.
it
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: Read this. RR finally speak out that he did not say anything about Trent.
: And Scout says, it doesn't matter what RR said. Trent is still a 6th round
: pick. Trent is misled by others surrounding him. Even RR bad-mouthed him, it
: 's not the major cause for his draft stock to slide.
: http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/rich-rodriguez-morgan-trent-flap-much-ado-about-nothing/
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r******s
发帖数: 2155 | 39 He beat TGII once in 100mi in high school I believe.
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: he is believed to be as fast as (or faster than) Ted Ginn Jr. But i never
: see that speed on the football field.
:
: plays
: or
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