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a*****g
发帖数: 19398
1
Attention, Students: Put Your Laptops Away
From NPR STAFF. James Doubek
As laptops become smaller and more ubiquitous, and with the advent of
tablets, the idea of taking notes by hand just seems old-fashioned to many
students today. Typing your notes is faster - which comes in handy when
there's a lot of information to take down. But it turns out there are still
advantages to doing things the old-fashioned way.
For one thing, research shows that laptops and tablets have a tendency to be
distracting - it's so easy to click over to Facebook in that dull lecture.
And a study has shown that the fact that you have to be slower when you take
notes by hand is what makes it more useful in the long run.
In the study published in Psychological Science, Pam A. Mueller of Princeton
University and Daniel M. Oppenheimer of the University of California, Los
Angeles sought to test how note-taking by hand or by computer affects
learning.
"When people type their notes, they have this tendency to try to take
verbatim notes and write down as much of the lecture as they can," Mueller
tells NPR's Rachel Martin. "The students who were taking longhand notes in
our studies were forced to be more selective - because you can't write as
fast as you can type. And that extra processing of the material that they
were doing benefited them."
Mueller and Oppenheimer cited that note-taking can be categorized two ways:
generative and nongenerative. Generative note-taking pertains to "
summarizing, paraphrasing, concept mapping," while nongenerative note-taking
involves copying something verbatim.
And there are two hypotheses to why note-taking is beneficial in the first
place. The first idea is called the encoding hypothesis, which says that
when a person is taking notes, "the processing that occurs" will improve "
learning and retention." The second, called the external-storage hypothesis,
is that you learn by being able to look back at your notes, or even the
notes of other people.
Because people can type faster than they write, using a laptop will make
people more likely to try to transcribe everything they're hearing. So on
the one hand, Mueller and Oppenheimer were faced with the question of
whether the benefits of being able to look at your more complete,
transcribed notes on a laptop outweigh the drawbacks of not processing that
information. On the other hand, when writing longhand, you process the
information better but have less to look back at.
.....
SEE ENTIRE ARTICLE AT
https://sites.udel.edu/victorp/files/2010/11/Psychological-Science-2014-
Mueller-0956797614524581-1u0h0yu.pdf
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SIDEBAR PHOTO: Laptops are common in lecture halls worldwide. Students hear
a lecture at the Johann Wolfang Goethe-University on Oct. 13, 2014, in
Frankfurt am Main, Germany. Thomas Lohnes/Getty Images
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c***x
发帖数: 1826
2

still
be
.
take
谢谢分享。读了这个帖子,浏览了一下原文,收藏了。
一直觉得是个很好的教学方法和效果研究问题,很高兴有人做研究了,有人发表了,有
人转载了。
虽然三个研究里用到的sample size都很小,但是设计的不错,其中的机制也与我自己
的观察和体验一致。所以,我一直鼓励学生上课不要用电脑,把lecture notes事先打
印好,争取上课集中在思考和听懂,关键的地方用笔做笔记。
很遗憾的是,现在越来越多的学校开始强调technology empowered learning。所以我
一直在问,到底是我自己太保守,还是学校的行政官僚太哗众取宠?

【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: Attention, Students: Put Your Laptops Away
: From NPR STAFF. James Doubek
: As laptops become smaller and more ubiquitous, and with the advent of
: tablets, the idea of taking notes by hand just seems old-fashioned to many
: students today. Typing your notes is faster - which comes in handy when
: there's a lot of information to take down. But it turns out there are still
: advantages to doing things the old-fashioned way.
: For one thing, research shows that laptops and tablets have a tendency to be
: distracting - it's so easy to click over to Facebook in that dull lecture.
: And a study has shown that the fact that you have to be slower when you take

t******l
发帖数: 10908
3
我快速浏览了一下,虽然我同意关于 take note 的观点,但在实践上我觉得这个研究
的大概是文科教学。。。因为理工科你拉一个 Microsoft Equation / Microsoft
PowerPoint / Microsoft Draw 来 take note,我不信能比用手在纸上画更快。。。
在实践上,我教娃数学,基本都是用在 clipboard 夹白纸。。。我娃做 AMC 也不会去
拿 Microsoft Word 当草稿纸。。。
我觉得更深层的问题,是为啥文科上课笔记受 computer / tablet 的影响就这么大?
甚至出现降低笔记速度来强迫思考。。。而理工科基本不受影响。。。或者我更狠一点
的说,文科记笔记时,you think you are thinking, but do you?。。。或者再狠
一点说,我觉得文科降低笔记速度更可能是在强迫记忆,而不是强迫思考。。。。或者
继续狠一点说,所谓的文科课堂笔记时的思考,其实是记忆的一种,属于猴子语言的二
义性。。。

【在 c***x 的大作中提到】
:
: still
: be
: .
: take
: 谢谢分享。读了这个帖子,浏览了一下原文,收藏了。
: 一直觉得是个很好的教学方法和效果研究问题,很高兴有人做研究了,有人发表了,有
: 人转载了。
: 虽然三个研究里用到的sample size都很小,但是设计的不错,其中的机制也与我自己
: 的观察和体验一致。所以,我一直鼓励学生上课不要用电脑,把lecture notes事先打

c***x
发帖数: 1826
4

大周末闲的,再来说几句。
首先呢,这个世上的学科,不是非文即理,非理即文的,这么简单粗暴的一分为二不好
。即便同一门学科里,差异也可以大到惊人。我家领导做研究,一堆白纸和一只笔就可
以了。我做研究,两台workstation一起跑。我们的presentation slides都没法用
PowerPoint做,公式太多只能用SWP+Beamer。但是如果上课用这样的slides,一行一行
去推导公式,学生直接给你teaching evaluation打低分,我们都吃够了苦头。
然后呢,记笔记一个重要的作用是information processing,不知道neural
scientists是否已经能够从科学上区分这个过程中的thinking and memorizing。当然
,最后老师出好考题是能够区别记忆性学生和思考性学生的。可惜的是,需要深入思考
的题目出多了,学生又给你teaching evaluation打低分,我们也曾都吃够了苦头。
这就是为什么这些年,老师教的东西越来越简单,学生到手的GPA越来越高。
所以,学校教育本来有两个最根本的作用,human capital accumulation and
screening,现在都在不断弱化。学校已经从educate学生,变成了please学生。而学校
对老师的激励机制设计,也无非是校长校董对于来自外界的激励和压力的反应罢了。
这个后面自然有更加深层次的原因,有一些楼里,大家也谈到了。

【在 t******l 的大作中提到】
: 我快速浏览了一下,虽然我同意关于 take note 的观点,但在实践上我觉得这个研究
: 的大概是文科教学。。。因为理工科你拉一个 Microsoft Equation / Microsoft
: PowerPoint / Microsoft Draw 来 take note,我不信能比用手在纸上画更快。。。
: 在实践上,我教娃数学,基本都是用在 clipboard 夹白纸。。。我娃做 AMC 也不会去
: 拿 Microsoft Word 当草稿纸。。。
: 我觉得更深层的问题,是为啥文科上课笔记受 computer / tablet 的影响就这么大?
: 甚至出现降低笔记速度来强迫思考。。。而理工科基本不受影响。。。或者我更狠一点
: 的说,文科记笔记时,you think you are thinking, but do you?。。。或者再狠
: 一点说,我觉得文科降低笔记速度更可能是在强迫记忆,而不是强迫思考。。。。或者
: 继续狠一点说,所谓的文科课堂笔记时的思考,其实是记忆的一种,属于猴子语言的二

t******l
发帖数: 10908
5
非常属实。。。

【在 c***x 的大作中提到】
:
: 大周末闲的,再来说几句。
: 首先呢,这个世上的学科,不是非文即理,非理即文的,这么简单粗暴的一分为二不好
: 。即便同一门学科里,差异也可以大到惊人。我家领导做研究,一堆白纸和一只笔就可
: 以了。我做研究,两台workstation一起跑。我们的presentation slides都没法用
: PowerPoint做,公式太多只能用SWP+Beamer。但是如果上课用这样的slides,一行一行
: 去推导公式,学生直接给你teaching evaluation打低分,我们都吃够了苦头。
: 然后呢,记笔记一个重要的作用是information processing,不知道neural
: scientists是否已经能够从科学上区分这个过程中的thinking and memorizing。当然
: ,最后老师出好考题是能够区别记忆性学生和思考性学生的。可惜的是,需要深入思考

a*****g
发帖数: 19398
6
K-12的教育更是滥投入 tech
有钱买 ipad电脑之类的,没钱请好老师,一有budget紧张就砍老师
现在能干的想赚钱的人都不做老师了。

【在 c***x 的大作中提到】
:
: 大周末闲的,再来说几句。
: 首先呢,这个世上的学科,不是非文即理,非理即文的,这么简单粗暴的一分为二不好
: 。即便同一门学科里,差异也可以大到惊人。我家领导做研究,一堆白纸和一只笔就可
: 以了。我做研究,两台workstation一起跑。我们的presentation slides都没法用
: PowerPoint做,公式太多只能用SWP+Beamer。但是如果上课用这样的slides,一行一行
: 去推导公式,学生直接给你teaching evaluation打低分,我们都吃够了苦头。
: 然后呢,记笔记一个重要的作用是information processing,不知道neural
: scientists是否已经能够从科学上区分这个过程中的thinking and memorizing。当然
: ,最后老师出好考题是能够区别记忆性学生和思考性学生的。可惜的是,需要深入思考

t******l
发帖数: 10908
7
一个 ipad 450 刀,加州一个学生一年的 budget 快 10,000 刀。ipad 那点钱请不到
好老师。
其实关键还是学生。。。ipad 到猴子手里就是砖头,但到天才手里也可能在间隙里
google/wiki 时突然被苹果砸中。。。对于人类而言,让猴子手里多几块砖头还是负担
得起的。。。


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