u***9
发帖数: 81 | 1 很遗憾，华人同胞恐同者(homophobia)不少，而且相当一部分似乎不是受宗教影响。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/33947061.html
难道仅仅是缺少“包容异己”的教育和爱心？才学疏浅，无法理解。敬请二言、散兄、
K哥等有识之士分析分析？ |
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 2 鄙人乱猜下:
可能不少恐同原字对"不孝有三无后为大"这种古训的跳不出来,把"不孝"直接和"道德败
坏"画等号了.其实这些人为啥不能想想:如果一个社会能够开明地对待同志,让他们可以
组建家庭,领养或寻找其他方法生育自己的孩子,这个"无后"的困境不就自然不存在了?
相信大多数同志,如果条件具备,都还是希望有孩子了.
当然很多中国人骨子里是接受不了领养或者通过代理母亲这种非"传统"方式的.他们从
来也不会反思他们的固执心态是否也需要改变.
也可能有些人曾经被某些同志"骚扰"过,于是得出什么"道德"判断了,问题是,他们这种
判断不是局限在某个具体人,而是不假思索地扣在全体同志人群上.他们同样不会反思,
如果他们是被一个异性"骚扰",会否因而对整个异性群体进行不利的道德判断. 如果不
会的话,那凭什么就有理由对同志群体进行道德判断?!
也可能有些人在国内的时候,对同志人群没有任何意义上的了解,但是到了美国以后,被
动开始了解,可能某些有偏见的媒体或社团对他们的心态产生了关键的影响.他们不一定
非要是加入了什么恐同的教会,虽然后者几乎一定把他们变成恐同者. |
a******c
发帖数: 291 | 3 他们属于典型的“有文凭，没文化”那一类。其基本生活轨迹如下：
拿到奖学金来美国读研，凭借刻苦和努力，拿到博士或硕士学位，其教育程度远高于一
般美国人。但在校期间，除了读英文教科书，几乎不接触美国生活和文化的各方面。
毕业后也是一样，除了工作中需要用到英文外，平时感兴趣的唯一英语信息就是股市经。
总之一句话，close-minded。
假如加入华人教会，也只是大家同时闭塞心灵而已。
我对于改变他们的看法不感兴趣。等他们的下一代成长吧，他们的子女会不可避免受周
围环境影响，会cosmopolitan-minded。 |
p*******f
发帖数: 230 | 4 无非就是跨国版的 凤凰男 而已
经。
【在 a******c 的大作中提到】
: 他们属于典型的“有文凭，没文化”那一类。其基本生活轨迹如下：
: 拿到奖学金来美国读研，凭借刻苦和努力，拿到博士或硕士学位，其教育程度远高于一
: 般美国人。但在校期间，除了读英文教科书，几乎不接触美国生活和文化的各方面。
: 毕业后也是一样，除了工作中需要用到英文外，平时感兴趣的唯一英语信息就是股市经。
: 总之一句话，close-minded。
: 假如加入华人教会，也只是大家同时闭塞心灵而已。
: 我对于改变他们的看法不感兴趣。等他们的下一代成长吧，他们的子女会不可避免受周
: 围环境影响，会cosmopolitan-minded。
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 5 这种人的问题是：不懂得与时具进。
我就跟我家小辈的出国留学的亲戚说，咱们到国外来是来学习西方的先进的思想和文化
的，是来学习一种新的思考方式的，所以，要与时具进，要对过去一些传统的思想和教
育问个为什么，否则，真是白来一趟。
经。
【在 a******c 的大作中提到】
: 他们属于典型的“有文凭，没文化”那一类。其基本生活轨迹如下：
: 拿到奖学金来美国读研，凭借刻苦和努力，拿到博士或硕士学位，其教育程度远高于一
: 般美国人。但在校期间，除了读英文教科书，几乎不接触美国生活和文化的各方面。
: 毕业后也是一样，除了工作中需要用到英文外，平时感兴趣的唯一英语信息就是股市经。
: 总之一句话，close-minded。
: 假如加入华人教会，也只是大家同时闭塞心灵而已。
: 我对于改变他们的看法不感兴趣。等他们的下一代成长吧，他们的子女会不可避免受周
: 围环境影响，会cosmopolitan-minded。
|
k*****e
发帖数: 1235 | 6 非常同意，首先，中国的教育很少鼓励你独立思考，文凭一堆也照样不会思考。
到了美国以后，生活闭塞，顶多就是找deal，看电视，
和生活中鲜活的美国文化几乎没有交集。
加入华人教会的就更加闭塞了，而且还由于小圈子效应，
还形成一种错觉，以为社会上反同占多数。
这些人确实不可能被说服，跟他们辩论主要是说给旁观者听的。
不去回帖，就会被他们的胡言乱语抢占了话语权。
经。
【在 a******c 的大作中提到】
: 他们属于典型的“有文凭，没文化”那一类。其基本生活轨迹如下：
: 拿到奖学金来美国读研，凭借刻苦和努力，拿到博士或硕士学位，其教育程度远高于一
: 般美国人。但在校期间，除了读英文教科书，几乎不接触美国生活和文化的各方面。
: 毕业后也是一样，除了工作中需要用到英文外，平时感兴趣的唯一英语信息就是股市经。
: 总之一句话，close-minded。
: 假如加入华人教会，也只是大家同时闭塞心灵而已。
: 我对于改变他们的看法不感兴趣。等他们的下一代成长吧，他们的子女会不可避免受周
: 围环境影响，会cosmopolitan-minded。
|
u***9
发帖数: 81 | 7 我对这些“WSN”的眼界有所了解。难以理解的是颇有一些WSN不象一般人一样对同志至
少“事不关己，高高挂起”，反而把攻击同志当作神圣己任，乐此不疲。除非打击同志
少数能实现WSN自己是“多数、主流”的幻想，我只能认为这些WSN是恨自己的同志、宗
教疯子或就是疯子。
经。
【在 a******c 的大作中提到】
: 他们属于典型的“有文凭，没文化”那一类。其基本生活轨迹如下：
: 拿到奖学金来美国读研，凭借刻苦和努力，拿到博士或硕士学位，其教育程度远高于一
: 般美国人。但在校期间，除了读英文教科书，几乎不接触美国生活和文化的各方面。
: 毕业后也是一样，除了工作中需要用到英文外，平时感兴趣的唯一英语信息就是股市经。
: 总之一句话，close-minded。
: 假如加入华人教会，也只是大家同时闭塞心灵而已。
: 我对于改变他们的看法不感兴趣。等他们的下一代成长吧，他们的子女会不可避免受周
: 围环境影响，会cosmopolitan-minded。
|
A*******t
发帖数: 443 | 8 其实我觉得还是年龄的因素比较大吧，以我现实生活中遇到的80后中国人来看，对同性
恋问题态度最差的也就是“不能理解，但支持选择”之类的。最反同的基本都是60，70
后，尤其以加入教会的为差。这么看来，其实也和美国的人的反同的年龄谱系差不太多。
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: 我对这些“WSN”的眼界有所了解。难以理解的是颇有一些WSN不象一般人一样对同志至
: 少“事不关己，高高挂起”，反而把攻击同志当作神圣己任，乐此不疲。除非打击同志
: 少数能实现WSN自己是“多数、主流”的幻想，我只能认为这些WSN是恨自己的同志、宗
: 教疯子或就是疯子。
:
: 经。
|
c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 9 友情提醒：达尔文
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: 很遗憾，华人同胞恐同者(homophobia)不少，而且相当一部分似乎不是受宗教影响。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/33947061.html
: 难道仅仅是缺少“包容异己”的教育和爱心？才学疏浅，无法理解。敬请二言、散兄、
: K哥等有识之士分析分析？
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 10 你怎么总是忍不住到这边来偷看呢？
【在 c******i 的大作中提到】
: 友情提醒：达尔文
|
|
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 11 少来扯淡了
滚回你的美新粪坑！
【在 c******i 的大作中提到】
: 友情提醒：达尔文
|
m**********t
发帖数: 450 | 12 最让我受不了的是狂放厥词，脏话连篇，没有逻辑，不就事论事，只知道人身攻击的
lcz竟然是USANews版主！还弹劾不掉，我深以为mitbbs没有救了。
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: 很遗憾，华人同胞恐同者(homophobia)不少，而且相当一部分似乎不是受宗教影响。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/33947061.html
: 难道仅仅是缺少“包容异己”的教育和爱心？才学疏浅，无法理解。敬请二言、散兄、
: K哥等有识之士分析分析？
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 13 深有同感！美新版的种种恶心，对我而言，极大打击对在美华人的感受－－也许要承认
他们的数量可能很少，但是那种恶心的感觉却不因此而有所减弱．
可惜人的惯性是如此之大，集体搬迁基本是不可能．
MITBBS绑架了我们．
有些如同TG绑架了整体中国人．
【在 m**********t 的大作中提到】
: 最让我受不了的是狂放厥词，脏话连篇，没有逻辑，不就事论事，只知道人身攻击的
: lcz竟然是USANews版主！还弹劾不掉，我深以为mitbbs没有救了。
|
r**c
发帖数: 1334 | 14 我觉得这里同胞恐同，一是因为知道不多，受传统文化惯性影响，觉得同性恋反正不正
经。比如我以前也是，后来自己一好兄弟出柜，才慢慢了解。第二个原因其实在于人的
弱点，作为多数派，蒙着脸歧视一下别人，别的不为，就为个自我感觉。比如歧视女生
，文科生，河南上海人，外嫁女，小留，再加个同性恋，不少这一个。 不在乎内容，
在乎的就是“今天咱能歧视人了”这个骄傲。
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: 很遗憾，华人同胞恐同者(homophobia)不少，而且相当一部分似乎不是受宗教影响。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/33947061.html
: 难道仅仅是缺少“包容异己”的教育和爱心？才学疏浅，无法理解。敬请二言、散兄、
: K哥等有识之士分析分析？
|
j****l
发帖数: 3356 | 15 你们说了这么半天，是讨论“恐同”？
你这样是鄙视同吧？没看出你哪里恐了。
【在 r**c 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得这里同胞恐同，一是因为知道不多，受传统文化惯性影响，觉得同性恋反正不正
: 经。比如我以前也是，后来自己一好兄弟出柜，才慢慢了解。第二个原因其实在于人的
: 弱点，作为多数派，蒙着脸歧视一下别人，别的不为，就为个自我感觉。比如歧视女生
: ，文科生，河南上海人，外嫁女，小留，再加个同性恋，不少这一个。 不在乎内容，
: 在乎的就是“今天咱能歧视人了”这个骄傲。
|
m**k
发帖数: 290 | |
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 17 No fear towards lgbt.
I support lgbt gets full benefit as married couple. But I'm completely
against any schools try to teach kids about lgbt.
Why? I want my gene to propagate, you guys can live your life anyway you
want, and I don't want to change you or argue if homo is a genetic issue or
environmental influence, or some mental/physical disability you need to get
it cure or not, but, but keep it to yourself please. PERIOD.
Also, I am completely against lgbt adoption. You choose the life style, so
you better take the consequence, OK? If you need kids, and did adopt one,
you have to make sure not to influence them to become another kidless aldult
. If everyone become homo, what will human race become? |
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 18 “teach kids about lgbt”是指的什么？教小孩怎么样变成LGBT？能具体说说吗？
or
get
aldult
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No fear towards lgbt.
: I support lgbt gets full benefit as married couple. But I'm completely
: against any schools try to teach kids about lgbt.
: Why? I want my gene to propagate, you guys can live your life anyway you
: want, and I don't want to change you or argue if homo is a genetic issue or
: environmental influence, or some mental/physical disability you need to get
: it cure or not, but, but keep it to yourself please. PERIOD.
: Also, I am completely against lgbt adoption. You choose the life style, so
: you better take the consequence, OK? If you need kids, and did adopt one,
: you have to make sure not to influence them to become another kidless aldult
|
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 19 他的意思是他爸妈不教他成为异性恋，他就是同性恋了。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: “teach kids about lgbt”是指的什么？教小孩怎么样变成LGBT？能具体说说吗？
:
: or
: get
: aldult
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 20 别捣乱，我是诚心向他请教，我还头一次听说有学校教小孩如何变成同性恋，也许他
孩子的学校真这样做？如果他孩子的学校真这么做，我第一个跟着他上街抗议。
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 他的意思是他爸妈不教他成为异性恋，他就是同性恋了。
|
|
|
u***9
发帖数: 81 | 21 没听说过 homophobia？却不虚心学习，还傻乎乎地鄙视这个鄙视那个。开阔一点点你
的眼界与心胸，别当“傻鄙视”了。
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%90%8C%E6%80%A7%E6%81%8B%E6%81%90%E6%83%A7%
E7%97%87
同性戀恐懼症（英语：homophobia）簡稱恐同症，是指對同性戀者及行為的排斥，包括
厭惡、仇恨、偏見和歧視，廣義而言，也涵蓋渲染、過分強調性別差異和性別氣質，可
推廣至性別歧視的一環。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: “恐同”。。。
: bs lz
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 22 You can check some of the libral states' elementary school, some show kids
about two papa, two mama stuff in school.
有一次我LP给我看一本图书馆借来的书，说是不小心借了一本另类的...
那本应该是给2岁多的女儿看的小孩子的硬皮书，也就10页的样子，标题是：
“My dad, papa and me"
封面上画着两个大人和一个小孩。我LP说借的时候没注意，还以为是父母和一个小孩；
那两个大人画的也很误导，一个比较正常的男人，另一个比较丰满，短发，而且头发染
成黄色；
不注意看肯定是认为那个是妈妈；
里面的内容大概是”我Dad教我什么什么，我Papa教我什么什么...我们一家人在一起生
活很幸福“
作者肯定是个gay, 唉，NJ这个烂州，这个样子的书图书馆都有，而且是给小孩子看的..
I don't know if you can take such things to your young kids. I don't want
them to face so complicated issues and gets distracted.
Another example is, an 12 year old adopted by a gay couple wants to do
transgener surgery. Coincidence? Parents are the best role model. You be the
judge.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 别捣乱，我是诚心向他请教，我还头一次听说有学校教小孩如何变成同性恋，也许他
: 孩子的学校真这样做？如果他孩子的学校真这么做，我第一个跟着他上街抗议。
|
u***9
发帖数: 81 | 23 Thanks for your support on same sex marriage, and I completely understand
your concerns on "teaching kids about lgbt"
To tell you the truth, my parents didn't actually teach me to become a homo.
As a matter of fact, growing up in mainland China, I was taught practically
nothing about lgbt. If anything, I was taught and influenced extensively to
become a heterosexual.
And, believe me, I didn't "choose" this life style. If there were a choice,
I would not hesitate a moment to choose your life style.
Rest assured, nobody will be able to teach your kids to become homo, and not
everyone will become homo. Moreover, having too few people on this planet
is the least of human being's concerns. Now you can sleep tight tonight :)
Thanks again for your support.
or
get
aldult
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No fear towards lgbt.
: I support lgbt gets full benefit as married couple. But I'm completely
: against any schools try to teach kids about lgbt.
: Why? I want my gene to propagate, you guys can live your life anyway you
: want, and I don't want to change you or argue if homo is a genetic issue or
: environmental influence, or some mental/physical disability you need to get
: it cure or not, but, but keep it to yourself please. PERIOD.
: Also, I am completely against lgbt adoption. You choose the life style, so
: you better take the consequence, OK? If you need kids, and did adopt one,
: you have to make sure not to influence them to become another kidless aldult
|
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 24 我本来支持异性恋的权益，毕竟异性恋有利于人类繁衍。但是看到有的异性恋家庭爸爸
强奸女儿，我现在坚决反对异性恋家庭抚养小孩，应该只能生不能养。 |
u***9
发帖数: 81 | 25 理解你的心情。正如同一部分白人父母不倾向给孩子看画着你我样子亚裔父母的小人书。
另外，绝大部分变性人的父母是异性恋。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: You can check some of the libral states' elementary school, some show kids
: about two papa, two mama stuff in school.
: 有一次我LP给我看一本图书馆借来的书，说是不小心借了一本另类的...
: 那本应该是给2岁多的女儿看的小孩子的硬皮书，也就10页的样子，标题是：
: “My dad, papa and me"
: 封面上画着两个大人和一个小孩。我LP说借的时候没注意，还以为是父母和一个小孩；
: 那两个大人画的也很误导，一个比较正常的男人，另一个比较丰满，短发，而且头发染
: 成黄色；
: 不注意看肯定是认为那个是妈妈；
: 里面的内容大概是”我Dad教我什么什么，我Papa教我什么什么...我们一家人在一起生
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 26 首先要感谢你支持同性婚姻合法化．
我好奇以下这几个问题：
１．什么叫"teach kids about LGBT"? 我的理解是学校课程里包含LGBT历史和重要人
物．如果这样，为何不可以教？如果这些不可以教，那么是否顺理可以质问学校课程涵
盖马丁路德金这样的民权运动领袖？
２．你希望你自己的基因能够"propagate",OK,可以理解．那么这个和LGBT有什么关系
呢？他们的存在会导致你的基因变异，还是剥夺你"propagate"的可能？这里面又是什
么个道理呢？
３．关于gay couple领养小孩．请问有什么证据表明他们注定就是＂糟糕而不尽职＂的
父母呢？你使用了"kidless adult"这样的词来指代gay人群，可是你知道越来越多的
gay people都有自己的biological offsprings了，BEING GAY IS NOT NECESSARILY
EQUAL TO BEING KIDLESS, WHILE BEING STRAIGHT DOES NOT GUARANTEE YOU A CHILD.
我实在看不出你这个论点的任何道理来．
or
get
aldult
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No fear towards lgbt.
: I support lgbt gets full benefit as married couple. But I'm completely
: against any schools try to teach kids about lgbt.
: Why? I want my gene to propagate, you guys can live your life anyway you
: want, and I don't want to change you or argue if homo is a genetic issue or
: environmental influence, or some mental/physical disability you need to get
: it cure or not, but, but keep it to yourself please. PERIOD.
: Also, I am completely against lgbt adoption. You choose the life style, so
: you better take the consequence, OK? If you need kids, and did adopt one,
: you have to make sure not to influence them to become another kidless aldult
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 27 我说句公道话吧，其实大声嚷嚷地，无非是与几不同，就是异类而已，
大张旗鼓反对的，肯定是受过同志的害的，比如吕丽萍。人类繁衍真
的需要他们的关心吗？ |
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 28 你还是很情绪化，不能哪怕在很低级的水准上证明这样的课本究竟如何对小孩不好了．
我不是和你纠缠，这个"My dad, pappa and me＂究竟哪里不对路呢？
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: You can check some of the libral states' elementary school, some show kids
: about two papa, two mama stuff in school.
: 有一次我LP给我看一本图书馆借来的书，说是不小心借了一本另类的...
: 那本应该是给2岁多的女儿看的小孩子的硬皮书，也就10页的样子，标题是：
: “My dad, papa and me"
: 封面上画着两个大人和一个小孩。我LP说借的时候没注意，还以为是父母和一个小孩；
: 那两个大人画的也很误导，一个比较正常的男人，另一个比较丰满，短发，而且头发染
: 成黄色；
: 不注意看肯定是认为那个是妈妈；
: 里面的内容大概是”我Dad教我什么什么，我Papa教我什么什么...我们一家人在一起生
|
s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 29 我侄女说她一个同学有四个妈，2个妈LES COUPLE,都有EX,
过节四个妈都来，挺热闹呢，有人爱是好事了。其实好多FOSTER CHILD，
亲生父母都不养的，这里有对COUPLE养了100多个FOSTER CHILDREN
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 你还是很情绪化，不能哪怕在很低级的水准上证明这样的课本究竟如何对小孩不好了．
: 我不是和你纠缠，这个"My dad, pappa and me＂究竟哪里不对路呢？
|
u***9
发帖数: 81 | 30 好想知道可怜见的 lcz,liangzhi 受伤细节呀
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 我说句公道话吧，其实大声嚷嚷地，无非是与几不同，就是异类而已，
: 大张旗鼓反对的，肯定是受过同志的害的，比如吕丽萍。人类繁衍真
: 的需要他们的关心吗？
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 31 岂是大家都知道这些反对gay adoption的人心里想的究竟是什么．绝大多数都下意识把
gay people和恋童癖等同起来，于是很＂正以凛然＂地以为gay adoption等于送孩子入
＂虎口＂．这个纯粹是选择性执法，对pedophiles绝大多数是直人的现实顽固地视而不
见罢了．
还有一部分确实以为孩子被gay people领养了，就也会变成gay.问题是，现在gay
adoptees也不少了，究竟几个孩子＂变成＂gay了？他们也根本不屑于去调查研究．反
正对于咱们这些少数派，他们这些＂多数派＂觉得可以拍脑门子就判定了．
除了无知加偏见，又能如何解释呢？
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 我侄女说她一个同学有四个妈，2个妈LES COUPLE,都有EX,
: 过节四个妈都来，挺热闹呢，有人爱是好事了。其实好多FOSTER CHILD，
: 亲生父母都不养的，这里有对COUPLE养了100多个FOSTER CHILDREN
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 32 跟些心中充满仇恨的人较真是不会有结果的，懒得理他们了
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: 好想知道可怜见的 lcz,liangzhi 受伤细节呀
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 33 他们只是喷粪更凶了
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: 好想知道可怜见的 lcz,liangzhi 受伤细节呀
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 34 这是从小教小孩不要歧视同性恋，让小孩知道，有些人虽然家庭结构和它们不一样（有
两个爸爸或两个妈妈），但是他们的家庭一样向你我的家庭一样健康，不要对他们有偏
见与歧视，这种教育有什么不对吗？你应该高兴你的孩子有机会在这样的国家受到这种
尊重别人的教育。
你认为这书的作者肯定是GAY，我说句冒犯你的话，你是目光短浅了，支持同性婚姻的
绝大部分是异性恋，就像很多白人终其一生都在为黑人的权益奋斗。我就见过很多为同
性恋平权奋斗的异性恋。
另外，你的直觉是同性恋家庭对小孩的教育不会好，这只是你个人的感觉。受过教育的
人与文盲之所以有不同，是因为受过教育的人懂得凡事不该仅以自己的直觉出发，而是
相信科学相信事实，对不对？有大量的研究数据已经表明，同性恋家庭收养的小孩与异
性恋家庭成长的孩子没有任何不同，甚至还有一个研究结论是女同性恋家庭收养的孩子
比异性恋家庭的孩子长大以后要更有成就。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: You can check some of the libral states' elementary school, some show kids
: about two papa, two mama stuff in school.
: 有一次我LP给我看一本图书馆借来的书，说是不小心借了一本另类的...
: 那本应该是给2岁多的女儿看的小孩子的硬皮书，也就10页的样子，标题是：
: “My dad, papa and me"
: 封面上画着两个大人和一个小孩。我LP说借的时候没注意，还以为是父母和一个小孩；
: 那两个大人画的也很误导，一个比较正常的男人，另一个比较丰满，短发，而且头发染
: 成黄色；
: 不注意看肯定是认为那个是妈妈；
: 里面的内容大概是”我Dad教我什么什么，我Papa教我什么什么...我们一家人在一起生
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 35 Yes, there is no consensus what causes homo. So I think many parents would
like to have kids expose as little as possible to homo. I hope you
understand.
I don't mess the way you live your life, so don't mess the way I teach my
kids. I teach them to respect others with no bias, but also wish them to
live the life as most people choose, because I believe this is the best for
them. I will try my best to ensure that. I have no issue how you fuck or not
to fuck, or who you fuck, and not bias you because of that, but I hope my
kids follow a more general way to fuck, and fuck me some kids, not to fuck
the same sex all the time and leave no kids, get it?
Also, it is completely different things to adopt kids or you donate your
eggs/sperm and have someone else (not you spouse) to give birth a baby. If
you go through the whole process, you will see the difference. |
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 36 你們耐心都很好，
要我說這種偏見根深蒂固的腦袋不用開化，
也教育不了，
一切都是時間決定的。
社會科學課本里出現同志運動，
法庭允許同性戀家庭收養領養，
將來小孩們身邊出現同志家庭的朋友，
小孩的讀物出現兩個爸爸媽媽，
這都是趨勢，都會是現實。
接受不接受都會來，
看不慣只能自己忍受，
不能與時俱進，就跟Scalia一起，
做一個被歷史拍上岸邊的垃圾就是了。 |
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 37 如果你口口声声homo,那么还是请滚.....蛋!
你应该不会傻到不知道homo是一个derogatory term.既然如此你还几次三番地使用，说
明你是个不折不扣的homophobe,咱们没啥好讨论的．
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, there is no consensus what causes homo. So I think many parents would
: like to have kids expose as little as possible to homo. I hope you
: understand.
: I don't mess the way you live your life, so don't mess the way I teach my
: kids. I teach them to respect others with no bias, but also wish them to
: live the life as most people choose, because I believe this is the best for
: them. I will try my best to ensure that. I have no issue how you fuck or not
: to fuck, or who you fuck, and not bias you because of that, but I hope my
: kids follow a more general way to fuck, and fuck me some kids, not to fuck
: the same sex all the time and leave no kids, get it?
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 38 通篇都是偏见，都是"我觉得＂，＂我认为".
不可理喻！
另外，你的英语挺狗血了，还是不要在这里露怯吧，贻笑大方！
for
not
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, there is no consensus what causes homo. So I think many parents would
: like to have kids expose as little as possible to homo. I hope you
: understand.
: I don't mess the way you live your life, so don't mess the way I teach my
: kids. I teach them to respect others with no bias, but also wish them to
: live the life as most people choose, because I believe this is the best for
: them. I will try my best to ensure that. I have no issue how you fuck or not
: to fuck, or who you fuck, and not bias you because of that, but I hope my
: kids follow a more general way to fuck, and fuck me some kids, not to fuck
: the same sex all the time and leave no kids, get it?
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t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 39
呵呵，N多年前這些人就是這個論調，
我以前很真誠祝福這種榆木腦袋，
希望你們的孩子真的不是gay，
一來你們受不了，二來孩子肯定遭罪。
結果在當年的USANEWS被幾個人差點沒用口水淹死我。
時隔N年，變不了的怎么也變不了。
樓上那位躲在英文里頭fuck來fuck去，
我都懷疑這人有老婆孩子沒有。
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 如果你口口声声homo,那么还是请滚.....蛋!
: 你应该不会傻到不知道homo是一个derogatory term.既然如此你还几次三番地使用，说
: 明你是个不折不扣的homophobe,咱们没啥好讨论的．
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 40 这种榆木疙瘩脑袋，不能指望了．唯有靠大自然的新陈代谢了．只是真诚希望他／她的
子女不要是同志，否则确实有的罪受了．
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵，N多年前這些人就是這個論調，
: 我以前很真誠祝福這種榆木腦袋，
: 希望你們的孩子真的不是gay，
: 一來你們受不了，二來孩子肯定遭罪。
: 結果在當年的USANEWS被幾個人差點沒用口水淹死我。
: 時隔N年，變不了的怎么也變不了。
: 樓上那位躲在英文里頭fuck來fuck去，
: 我都懷疑這人有老婆孩子沒有。
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 41 In biology, homo or hetero has no bias, my major is bio, so please don't
take it that far, because I don't imply any derogatory, I only know fagot(
not sure about its spelling, but I am sure you know which word I refer to)
implies negative meaning, and I did not use that word, OK?
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 如果你口口声声homo,那么还是请滚.....蛋!
: 你应该不会傻到不知道homo是一个derogatory term.既然如此你还几次三番地使用，说
: 明你是个不折不扣的homophobe,咱们没啥好讨论的．
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 42 I am no expert on gay, only read about it, but if you have concrete evidence
/investigation about the origination of gay, please lay it out, I am all
ears.
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 通篇都是偏见，都是"我觉得＂，＂我认为".
: 不可理喻！
: 另外，你的英语挺狗血了，还是不要在这里露怯吧，贻笑大方！
:
: for
: not
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 43 My opinion may not be what you want, I respect your right to behave your way
and choose your life,I hope you learn to respect how other people choose to
teach their kids.
Don't mess with me, especially my kids.
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵，N多年前這些人就是這個論調，
: 我以前很真誠祝福這種榆木腦袋，
: 希望你們的孩子真的不是gay，
: 一來你們受不了，二來孩子肯定遭罪。
: 結果在當年的USANEWS被幾個人差點沒用口水淹死我。
: 時隔N年，變不了的怎么也變不了。
: 樓上那位躲在英文里頭fuck來fuck去，
: 我都懷疑這人有老婆孩子沒有。
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 44 Homo究竟是否是derogatory，不由你说得算，至少不完全由你说得算．这个道理你总懂
吧？别告诉我你觉得管黑人叫N word也是无所谓的啊（或者你觉得被被人叫Chink也＂
没什么大不了的＂）．
我退一千步，你这个人，就算不能说是hardcore homophobe,但是肯定是极端不敏感．
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: In biology, homo or hetero has no bias, my major is bio, so please don't
: take it that far, because I don't imply any derogatory, I only know fagot(
: not sure about its spelling, but I am sure you know which word I refer to)
: implies negative meaning, and I did not use that word, OK?
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 45 如果你这么顽固，似乎只能选择home schooling了．
way
to
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: My opinion may not be what you want, I respect your right to behave your way
: and choose your life,I hope you learn to respect how other people choose to
: teach their kids.
: Don't mess with me, especially my kids.
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 46 另外，你这句话好像有逻辑错误啊．
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: My opinion may not be what you want, I respect your right to behave your way
: and choose your life,I hope you learn to respect how other people choose to
: teach their kids.
: Don't mess with me, especially my kids.
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 47 YES, I did not complete the whole sentence, I mean don't mess with me about
my kids, and don't mess with my kids neither.
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 另外，你这句话好像有逻辑错误啊．
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a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 48 如果你儿子班上有同性恋，你怎么教育你孩子？
如果你儿子班上有男孩子举止阴柔，你怎么教育你孩子？
如果你儿子被班上的孩子认为举止阴柔，你希望你儿子如何被对待？
我不是想说阴柔就是同性恋。有很多同性恋都举止"正常"。我只是想让你意识到偏见和
歧视就在身边。你自己可能就是受害者。
停止对自己不同的人歧视，也减少你孩子这样做的可能。也会让别人对你这种"别人眼
里的异类"少些歧视。
way
to
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: My opinion may not be what you want, I respect your right to behave your way
: and choose your life,I hope you learn to respect how other people choose to
: teach their kids.
: Don't mess with me, especially my kids.
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 49 你的小孩的教育是不是由你说了算？很遗憾地告诉你：从来都不是！不信的话，你在家
里教他/她歧视黑人、歧视同性恋，你看看会不会有人来找你，剥夺你对孩子的监护权
？你可千万别以为你自己的孩子你自己说了算，教育专家们比你更懂得该怎么样教育孩
子，你是不是太自信了，以为你比那些教育专家都强？
真是很遗憾，很多中国人满嘴英文，书估计也读得不少，但凭你出国N多年，还是一脑
袋浆糊，土老冒儿一个（我说土老冒儿没有歧视的意思啊，我认为出国以后还不与时具
进，还抱着中国的那些传统旧观念的，见识上连我妈都不如的人都是土老冒儿）。求你
了，以后你出门别说你是中国人行吗？特别是别用英文和美国人说你这些观点，实在我
们跟着丢不起人。
for
not
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, there is no consensus what causes homo. So I think many parents would
: like to have kids expose as little as possible to homo. I hope you
: understand.
: I don't mess the way you live your life, so don't mess the way I teach my
: kids. I teach them to respect others with no bias, but also wish them to
: live the life as most people choose, because I believe this is the best for
: them. I will try my best to ensure that. I have no issue how you fuck or not
: to fuck, or who you fuck, and not bias you because of that, but I hope my
: kids follow a more general way to fuck, and fuck me some kids, not to fuck
: the same sex all the time and leave no kids, get it?
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 50 That's right. THere is too many words acquired its own color. I am sorry I
did not know homo means derogatory. I am not against gay(let me know if gay
becomes derogatory,Ok?), but I don't think it's normal, I believe one day
there would be a cure, right now, our knowledge is so limited as far as
mental is concerned.
Once again, I don't think someone should be treated differently because he
is gay, I have friends who are gay and they are really nice, I have full
respect to them. But if you guys want to change the way how we teach our
kids, you cross a line there.
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: Homo究竟是否是derogatory，不由你说得算，至少不完全由你说得算．这个道理你总懂
: 吧？别告诉我你觉得管黑人叫N word也是无所谓的啊（或者你觉得被被人叫Chink也＂
: 没什么大不了的＂）．
: 我退一千步，你这个人，就算不能说是hardcore homophobe,但是肯定是极端不敏感．
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 51 You are too sensitive and emotional.
I emphasize no discrimination against lgbt, only don't want school introduce
the concept too early to cause unnecessary curiosity, just like I don't
want to show how pregnancy is at too early an age to a child.
I don't discriminate any one because of his or her race, skin color, or sex
orientation. You don't have the right to define if someone is 土老冒儿. I
would rather be 土老冒儿 if you define anyone who is not gay is 土老冒儿.
This is not bias, it's personal preference, just like you don't want you
kids to become a plumber, instead you want him or her become something else,
perfect normal, ok? You are just too sensitive to take this too far.
I have the right to wish what my kids will become, if she or he choose
differently that is her/his freedom, but at the moment, I have full freedom
to guide her/him at my best ability, and it is none of your business to tell
me how I should do. |
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 52 同性恋不是病。如果你认识不到这点，自我教育一下。 |
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 53 It's inevitable there will be diversity as kids grow. But sex intercourse or
orientation is not something should be introduced at too early a stage. In
fact, many parents including Americans think such topics are exposed too
early and distract kids from education, unfortunately it is very difficult
to avoid, but we as parents should still try to protect them. This is
nothing about bias, ok, just like some movies are PG13 and PG, but some are
NR, no kids would be allowed.
I don't discriminate gay, just don't like my kids become gay. Well, like you
guys said, the influence from parents are very limited compare to the other
factors such as their school education. However, it does not mean we give
up completely how to guide them.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 如果你儿子班上有同性恋，你怎么教育你孩子？
: 如果你儿子班上有男孩子举止阴柔，你怎么教育你孩子？
: 如果你儿子被班上的孩子认为举止阴柔，你希望你儿子如何被对待？
: 我不是想说阴柔就是同性恋。有很多同性恋都举止"正常"。我只是想让你意识到偏见和
: 歧视就在身边。你自己可能就是受害者。
: 停止对自己不同的人歧视，也减少你孩子这样做的可能。也会让别人对你这种"别人眼
: 里的异类"少些歧视。
:
: way
: to
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t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 54 別浪費時間了，
這人一是來表達偏見的，二是來練習英文寫作的。
跟咱們一毛錢關系沒有。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 你的小孩的教育是不是由你说了算？很遗憾地告诉你：从来都不是！不信的话，你在家
: 里教他/她歧视黑人、歧视同性恋，你看看会不会有人来找你，剥夺你对孩子的监护权
: ？你可千万别以为你自己的孩子你自己说了算，教育专家们比你更懂得该怎么样教育孩
: 子，你是不是太自信了，以为你比那些教育专家都强？
: 真是很遗憾，很多中国人满嘴英文，书估计也读得不少，但凭你出国N多年，还是一脑
: 袋浆糊，土老冒儿一个（我说土老冒儿没有歧视的意思啊，我认为出国以后还不与时具
: 进，还抱着中国的那些传统旧观念的，见识上连我妈都不如的人都是土老冒儿）。求你
: 了，以后你出门别说你是中国人行吗？特别是别用英文和美国人说你这些观点，实在我
: 们跟着丢不起人。
:
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 55 Educate me, present me evidence, I'd love to learn why some are gay.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 同性恋不是病。如果你认识不到这点，自我教育一下。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 56 你这么爱你的孩子，不妨你学学孟母三迁，乌干达和俄罗斯都可以，太遗憾了，你在美
国就躲不开这种反歧视同性恋的教育。
另外，你还要让你孩子的生长环境避开DINK家庭，同性恋不一定没孩子，我认识很多同
性恋家庭都自己生了孩子，但是，DINK家庭可是100%不会有孩子。要是你想让你的孩子
fuck you a kid（这句英文怎么看着这么别扭呢，不过，反正你自己说的你自己懂），
你应该大张旗鼓反对的是DINK家庭，你矛头指向同性恋还真是冤枉我们了。你应该教育
你孩子：不孝有三，无后为大。你最好找墨西哥人做邻居，看看人家是怎么样一串一串
地生孩子的。
introduce
sex
else,
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: You are too sensitive and emotional.
: I emphasize no discrimination against lgbt, only don't want school introduce
: the concept too early to cause unnecessary curiosity, just like I don't
: want to show how pregnancy is at too early an age to a child.
: I don't discriminate any one because of his or her race, skin color, or sex
: orientation. You don't have the right to define if someone is 土老冒儿. I
: would rather be 土老冒儿 if you define anyone who is not gay is 土老冒儿.
: This is not bias, it's personal preference, just like you don't want you
: kids to become a plumber, instead you want him or her become something else,
: perfect normal, ok? You are just too sensitive to take this too far.
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 57 Yes, we want to minimize such influence. Maybe move back to China.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 你这么爱你的孩子，不妨你学学孟母三迁，乌干达和俄罗斯都可以，太遗憾了，你在美
: 国就躲不开这种反歧视同性恋的教育。
: 另外，你还要让你孩子的生长环境避开DINK家庭，同性恋不一定没孩子，我认识很多同
: 性恋家庭都自己生了孩子，但是，DINK家庭可是100%不会有孩子。要是你想让你的孩子
: fuck you a kid（这句英文怎么看着这么别扭呢，不过，反正你自己说的你自己懂），
: 你应该大张旗鼓反对的是DINK家庭，你矛头指向同性恋还真是冤枉我们了。你应该教育
: 你孩子：不孝有三，无后为大。你最好找墨西哥人做邻居，看看人家是怎么样一串一串
: 地生孩子的。
:
: introduce
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 58 反正我闲着也是闲着。。
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
: 別浪費時間了，
: 這人一是來表達偏見的，二是來練習英文寫作的。
: 跟咱們一毛錢關系沒有。
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 59 No 偏見, not to practice English. Although my English is filled with grammar
errors,I type English much faster than Chinese.
I truly want to learn why causes some become gay, is there different causes
or all gays are caused by the same factor? Obviously it is not so, because
still you guys differentiate "husband" and "wife" or something similar I
guess, so there are at least two "phenotypes".
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
: 別浪費時間了，
: 這人一是來表達偏見的，二是來練習英文寫作的。
: 跟咱們一毛錢關系沒有。
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 60 中国的同性恋运动正在蓬勃上升阶段，越来越多的同性恋组织成立了，中国的社会对同
性恋的态度越来越开放，但是，中国在同性恋问题上远没有西方国家研究得深、对儿童
的性教育上也远不规范，说不好你回去适得其反，而且，现在中国小年轻的特时髦DINK
家庭，这简直对你盼孙子的计划是个毁灭性的打击。另外，如果你孩子是个女孩儿，你
还得防着点儿被校长邀请开房，所以，劝你三思，最好是去乌干达或者伊朗，真的，i
am serious。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, we want to minimize such influence. Maybe move back to China.
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|
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a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 61 问你的医生。
或者wiki.
好比有人问，什么是白，我说不出来。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Educate me, present me evidence, I'd love to learn why some are gay.
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 62 I do believe "不孝有三，无后为大", but also I know "女大不中留“ or "儿大不
听话”。So I try my best to have them agree with me on some basic things.
No preference about neighbors, there are black, mexican, italian,... All
good, most with kids(unless they are very old, then their grand kids visit
them during holidays). Just choose a good neighborhood with good schools,
probably you guys do the same too, right?
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 你这么爱你的孩子，不妨你学学孟母三迁，乌干达和俄罗斯都可以，太遗憾了，你在美
: 国就躲不开这种反歧视同性恋的教育。
: 另外，你还要让你孩子的生长环境避开DINK家庭，同性恋不一定没孩子，我认识很多同
: 性恋家庭都自己生了孩子，但是，DINK家庭可是100%不会有孩子。要是你想让你的孩子
: fuck you a kid（这句英文怎么看着这么别扭呢，不过，反正你自己说的你自己懂），
: 你应该大张旗鼓反对的是DINK家庭，你矛头指向同性恋还真是冤枉我们了。你应该教育
: 你孩子：不孝有三，无后为大。你最好找墨西哥人做邻居，看看人家是怎么样一串一串
: 地生孩子的。
:
: introduce
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 63 Yes, you are serious. I can see that.
DINK
i
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 中国的同性恋运动正在蓬勃上升阶段，越来越多的同性恋组织成立了，中国的社会对同
: 性恋的态度越来越开放，但是，中国在同性恋问题上远没有西方国家研究得深、对儿童
: 的性教育上也远不规范，说不好你回去适得其反，而且，现在中国小年轻的特时髦DINK
: 家庭，这简直对你盼孙子的计划是个毁灭性的打击。另外，如果你孩子是个女孩儿，你
: 还得防着点儿被校长邀请开房，所以，劝你三思，最好是去乌干达或者伊朗，真的，i
: am serious。
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a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 64 我不歧视中国人。
中国人是精神病。（
前提是中国人到底是不是精神病。
or
In
are
you
other
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: It's inevitable there will be diversity as kids grow. But sex intercourse or
: orientation is not something should be introduced at too early a stage. In
: fact, many parents including Americans think such topics are exposed too
: early and distract kids from education, unfortunately it is very difficult
: to avoid, but we as parents should still try to protect them. This is
: nothing about bias, ok, just like some movies are PG13 and PG, but some are
: NR, no kids would be allowed.
: I don't discriminate gay, just don't like my kids become gay. Well, like you
: guys said, the influence from parents are very limited compare to the other
: factors such as their school education. However, it does not mean we give
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a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 65 如果你老婆不育，你会不会离婚？
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: I do believe "不孝有三，无后为大", but also I know "女大不中留“ or "儿大不
: 听话”。So I try my best to have them agree with me on some basic things.
: No preference about neighbors, there are black, mexican, italian,... All
: good, most with kids(unless they are very old, then their grand kids visit
: them during holidays). Just choose a good neighborhood with good schools,
: probably you guys do the same too, right?
|
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | |
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 67 Well, as far as I read, it's a very complicated issue, many factors can
contribute, and environmental factors/personal experience included. That is
why I want the introduction of such concepts(normal sex activity between
male and female and lgbt) not to be introduced at too early an age.
It's the same motivation as parents don't want kids start their sex activity
too early(I think that is why there is law protecting minors), they don't
have the sensibility and economic status to take the consequence if they get
pregnant, and they may get distracted from focusing on education, but this
does not mean sex is bad. Of course, I have no idea and no interest how your
gay couples choose to do about such topics. Maybe your gay couple choose
otherwise?(encourage your kids start to experience sex at early age).
If you have evidence to show environmental factors/personal experience has
nothing to do with the cause of gay, I'd love to know.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 问你的医生。
: 或者wiki.
: 好比有人问，什么是白，我说不出来。
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 68 No, because we are true love.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 如果你老婆不育，你会不会离婚？
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 69 This is not a scientific answer to my question(what causes gay). You are
just playing words now.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 我不歧视中国人。
: 中国人是精神病。（
: 前提是中国人到底是不是精神病。
:
: or
: In
: are
: you
: other
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 70 Thanks, but no thanks.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 你的思想是够老旧的。与时俱进吧。
|
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 71 please read this to know yourself and your gay people:
from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Cause
General
Main articles: Biology and sexual orientation and Environment and sexual
orientation
Science has looked at the causes of homosexuality, and more generically the
causes of human sexual orientation, with the general conclusions being
related to biological and environmental factors. The biological factors that
have been researched are genetic and hormonal, particularly during the
fetal developmental period, that influence the resulting brain structure,
and other characteristics such as handedness.[3][4] There are a wide range
of environmental factors (sociological, psychological, or early uterine
environment), and various biological factors, that may influence sexual
orientation; though many researchers believe that it is caused by a complex
interplay between nature and nurture, they favor biological models for the
cause.[1][3]
The American Academy of Pediatrics stated in Pediatrics in 2004:
“ Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by
a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences. In recent
decades, biologically based theories have been favored by experts. Although
there continues to be controversy and uncertainty as to the genesis of the
variety of human sexual orientations, there is no scientific evidence that
abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence
sexual orientation. Current knowledge suggests that sexual orientation is
usually established during early childhood.[3][147] ”
The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association,
and National Association of Social Workers stated in 2006:
“ Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors
that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual—
including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the
parents' sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that
the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual
parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents
eventually grow up to be heterosexual.[2] ”
The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological
speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that
the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the
formation of a person's fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation.
It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined
by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment
. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice.[4] ”
The American Psychological Association states "there are probably many
reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different
for different people", and says most people's sexual orientation is
determined at an early age.[1] Research into how sexual orientation in males
may be determined by genetic or other prenatal factors plays a role in
political and social debates about homosexuality, and also raises concerns
about genetic profiling and prenatal testing.[148]
Professor Michael King states: "The conclusion reached by scientists who
have investigated the origins and stability of sexual orientation is that it
is a human characteristic that is formed early in life, and is resistant to
change. Scientific evidence on the origins of homosexuality is considered
relevant to theological and social debate because it undermines suggestions
that sexual orientation is a choice."[149]
Innate bisexuality (or predisposition to bisexuality) is a term introduced
by Sigmund Freud, based on work by his associate Wilhelm Fliess, that
expounds that all humans are born bisexual but through psychological
development—which includes both external and internal factors—become
monosexual, while the bisexuality remains in a latent state.
Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The
fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction
through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in
the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way
, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female
gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain
structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social
environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual
orientation."[150]
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 我不歧视中国人。
: 中国人是精神病。（
: 前提是中国人到底是不是精神病。
:
: or
: In
: are
: you
: other
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 72 别，我们跟你真不same。假如我有孩子，我肯定会告诉他/她：不要歧视与你的家庭结
构不一样的小孩，有的小孩有爸爸妈妈，有的小孩有两个妈妈，有的小孩有两个爸爸，
他们跟你都是一样的。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: please read this to know yourself and your gay people:
: from wiki:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Cause
: General
: Main articles: Biology and sexual orientation and Environment and sexual
: orientation
: Science has looked at the causes of homosexuality, and more generically the
: causes of human sexual orientation, with the general conclusions being
: related to biological and environmental factors. The biological factors that
: have been researched are genetic and hormonal, particularly during the
|
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 73 我正门忙，长话短说。
同性恋不是病。这是你有要知道的。至于同性恋如何形成，不是关键。
不要有过早发生性行为，不等于不做性别认同。好比你在孩子婴儿期就选粉色给女儿，
蓝色给儿子。
is
activity
get
this
your
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Well, as far as I read, it's a very complicated issue, many factors can
: contribute, and environmental factors/personal experience included. That is
: why I want the introduction of such concepts(normal sex activity between
: male and female and lgbt) not to be introduced at too early an age.
: It's the same motivation as parents don't want kids start their sex activity
: too early(I think that is why there is law protecting minors), they don't
: have the sensibility and economic status to take the consequence if they get
: pregnant, and they may get distracted from focusing on education, but this
: does not mean sex is bad. Of course, I have no idea and no interest how your
: gay couples choose to do about such topics. Maybe your gay couple choose
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 74 没必要解释
我只是想说，你被偏见搞到说话都有些说不大清楚了．
about
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: YES, I did not complete the whole sentence, I mean don't mess with me about
: my kids, and don't mess with my kids neither.
|
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 75 那何来无后为大？
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No, because we are true love.
|
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 76 一方面说同性恋是病，一方面说不歧视。自相矛盾。 |
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 77 请你不要再说你的专业是什么Bio了．
看你这段问题，简直让人汗颜，完全是民科水平．你显然不必这样水准低下，但是你没
有意识到你的偏见已经阻挡你以配得上你智力水平的程度来考虑LGBT议题了．
请你真地不要和有点档次的人讨论这个话题了．还是多读书看报，扩充视野吧．否则，
你比那些冥顽不化的恐同分子强不了多少．
gay
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: That's right. THere is too many words acquired its own color. I am sorry I
: did not know homo means derogatory. I am not against gay(let me know if gay
: becomes derogatory,Ok?), but I don't think it's normal, I believe one day
: there would be a cure, right now, our knowledge is so limited as far as
: mental is concerned.
: Once again, I don't think someone should be treated differently because he
: is gay, I have friends who are gay and they are really nice, I have full
: respect to them. But if you guys want to change the way how we teach our
: kids, you cross a line there.
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 78 这个，你显然走错版面了．
这里没有给你进行这个科普的义务．
生活在美国，也算高知吧，结果还腆脸问这种２５０问题．
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Educate me, present me evidence, I'd love to learn why some are gay.
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 79 希望你说话算数．
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, we want to minimize such influence. Maybe move back to China.
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a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 80 喜欢同性，是因为他是男人，不是因为他可以做wife.
grammar
causes
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No 偏見, not to practice English. Although my English is filled with grammar
: errors,I type English much faster than Chinese.
: I truly want to learn why causes some become gay, is there different causes
: or all gays are caused by the same factor? Obviously it is not so, because
: still you guys differentiate "husband" and "wife" or something similar I
: guess, so there are at least two "phenotypes".
|
|
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t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 81 性取向到底是怎么形成的，跟人是怎么從猴子進化來的一樣
是目前科學無解的問題，
至少，還沒有找到答案。
但沒有科學依據不表示這不正常。
太多東西科學無法實證但擺在眼前的。
您既然學bio，不如朝這個方向努力努力？研究研究？
您指不定一突破，連發nature science封面文章，跑不了啊。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: This is not a scientific answer to my question(what causes gay). You are
: just playing words now.
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 82 I don't bias any AIDS patient, ok, someone has some disability does not mean
he or she should be biased. Of course, you don't think so.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 一方面说同性恋是病，一方面说不歧视。自相矛盾。
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 83 Yes, I already had a paper on Nature, on its cover. But my interest is
structure biology.
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
: 性取向到底是怎么形成的，跟人是怎么從猴子進化來的一樣
: 是目前科學無解的問題，
: 至少，還沒有找到答案。
: 但沒有科學依據不表示這不正常。
: 太多東西科學無法實證但擺在眼前的。
: 您既然學bio，不如朝這個方向努力努力？研究研究？
: 您指不定一突破，連發nature science封面文章，跑不了啊。
|
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 84 你的问题就在于认为同性恋是病，而且是传染病。甚至要把孩子可以正确了解如何对待
同性恋的教育都要隔绝。
你还不认为你"恐同"吗？
医学界面早就认定"同性恋不是病"。你受过教育，不可能没听到过。你其它的知识相信
，这个知识却不接受，现在还在嘴硬，除了思想老旧和你内心深处的biased judgement
，无法解释。
mean
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: I don't bias any AIDS patient, ok, someone has some disability does not mean
: he or she should be biased. Of course, you don't think so.
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A*******t
发帖数: 443 | 85 扑哧。怪不得您说您要为了躲避同性恋回国呢，您这学 (S)tructure (B)iology的，基
本没什么在美国找到个正经体面工作的指望。只有回国学施一公做共产奴可能才有点吧。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I already had a paper on Nature, on its cover. But my interest is
: structure biology.
|
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 86 有的老中这么讲，我不歧视同性恋但同性恋在学校宣扬同性恋，你们过线了，所以我忍
无可忍，只好反对了。
什么是宣扬同性恋？最近几年争论过的，加州教改，加入的内容 包括肯定亚裔对美国
的贡献，肯定同性恋对社会的贡献，，以及其它旨在宣传平等反对歧视的内容。恐同分
子非说这是宣扬同性恋。你以为不歧视同性恋是让你变成同性恋吗？是不是同性恋是鼓
励一下就能搞定的吗？
歧视恐惧来源于偏见和无知。学校的教育就是要消除这点。这根本不是鼓励你的孩子成
为同性恋。
同性恋的比例是基本固定的，最最仇视同性恋的伊斯兰国家也一样。同性恋根本不是鼓
励不鼓励的问题。 |
u***9
发帖数: 81 | 87 同志们不要太生 happyfrog 的气，他不是象lcz那样来胡搅蛮缠，满嘴喷粪的。而且作
为父母，他不想让孩子成为同志，被某些少数人歧视，也可以理解。虽然这让同志们不
舒服。 |
u***9
发帖数: 81 | 88 happyfrog 兄，悄悄告诉你点事儿，我在中国和美国最好的学校学的生物。我以同行的
信誉向你保证：没有人能把你的孩子教成同志，放心吧！放心吧！真的放心吧！时间有
限，恕不能帮你找文献，但你可以自己搜索一下。
同理，同志孩子也教育不成异性恋。著名的 Exodus International 原来专门教同志变
成异性恋，最近刚刚关门，并且为其所作所为道歉。
我们是不是也要开拓思维，与时共进了？而且作为在美华裔，我们终归会被看作少数，
无论我们怎么费力地融入所谓的主流。在遭受各种显性隐形歧视的同时，我们是不是有
时可以平心静气想一想，我们内心里有些自己都没意识到的东西其实也许与“潜意识歧
视”沾点边？譬如“我不歧视黑人，但我决不允许我的女儿嫁给黑人”，“我不歧视亚
裔，但他就不是当领导的样子”。 |
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 89 I hope so.Thanks uni99. I think we are all in some kind of fear, fear the
uncertainty, fear something we don't know. One thing we know for sure is, we
are not clear about the cause of gay, and I don't want my kids become gay.
Yes, I also don't want my kids to marry non chinese. Of course, all these
are my preferences, it may not be what they want, they will have the freedom
to decide when they grow up, but before that, I have the responsibility to
guide them.
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: happyfrog 兄，悄悄告诉你点事儿，我在中国和美国最好的学校学的生物。我以同行的
: 信誉向你保证：没有人能把你的孩子教成同志，放心吧！放心吧！真的放心吧！时间有
: 限，恕不能帮你找文献，但你可以自己搜索一下。
: 同理，同志孩子也教育不成异性恋。著名的 Exodus International 原来专门教同志变
: 成异性恋，最近刚刚关门，并且为其所作所为道歉。
: 我们是不是也要开拓思维，与时共进了？而且作为在美华裔，我们终归会被看作少数，
: 无论我们怎么费力地融入所谓的主流。在遭受各种显性隐形歧视的同时，我们是不是有
: 时可以平心静气想一想，我们内心里有些自己都没意识到的东西其实也许与“潜意识歧
: 视”沾点边？譬如“我不歧视黑人，但我决不允许我的女儿嫁给黑人”，“我不歧视亚
: 裔，但他就不是当领导的样子”。
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 90 Not because gay issue, much more things. There are both pro/cons to live in
China or US. It's difficult to decide.
Look at you, you claim no bias against others, your reply shows your strong
bias against many.
吧。
【在 A*******t 的大作中提到】
: 扑哧。怪不得您说您要为了躲避同性恋回国呢，您这学 (S)tructure (B)iology的，基
: 本没什么在美国找到个正经体面工作的指望。只有回国学施一公做共产奴可能才有点吧。
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A*******t
发帖数: 443 | 91 I like what I like, and hate what I hate. The same way you hate me.
I hate all claimed structure biologist who know nothing beyond lab protocols
and procedures performed in their own lab. Even a high school student can
do it well. That's probably why NIH is cutting your fundings. It is funny
that such kind of so called scientist call gay people 'junk' of the society
when so many gay people serve society in quite positive way in areas like
business, engineering, mathematics and so on.
I am biased towards you because you deserve it, and you also deserve every
piece of communism shit CCP filled in your pathetic brain LOL
No, please, no more wasting our times for us to communicate, including yours
and mine. Save the energy for some bigger good of human kind.
No ill will and wish justice prevail.
Peace.
in
strong
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Not because gay issue, much more things. There are both pro/cons to live in
: China or US. It's difficult to decide.
: Look at you, you claim no bias against others, your reply shows your strong
: bias against many.
:
: 吧。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 92 太惨了，原来你还有self-hatred，这是怎样纠结的人生啊。。一边恨着一个与自己不
一样的群体，一边还自恨。。算了，不逗你了，跟你说点正经的，其实像你这种
homophobia，也是一种病，说不定将来能找到你这种病的根源，然后治好，现在嘛，你
这病尽量不要传染给别人或者你的孩子比较好。
we
freedom
to
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: I hope so.Thanks uni99. I think we are all in some kind of fear, fear the
: uncertainty, fear something we don't know. One thing we know for sure is, we
: are not clear about the cause of gay, and I don't want my kids become gay.
: Yes, I also don't want my kids to marry non chinese. Of course, all these
: are my preferences, it may not be what they want, they will have the freedom
: to decide when they grow up, but before that, I have the responsibility to
: guide them.
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 93 You are so wrong. No, I don't hate any gay. I have gay friends, they are
really nice people. I used to hang out with them(I like workout, and they
like workout too), which caused misunderstanding in some of my normal
friends, but I did not care, because I know I am not gay and not into that
kind of sex.
I just don't want my kids get influence from gays.
protocols
society
yours
【在 A*******t 的大作中提到】
: I like what I like, and hate what I hate. The same way you hate me.
: I hate all claimed structure biologist who know nothing beyond lab protocols
: and procedures performed in their own lab. Even a high school student can
: do it well. That's probably why NIH is cutting your fundings. It is funny
: that such kind of so called scientist call gay people 'junk' of the society
: when so many gay people serve society in quite positive way in areas like
: business, engineering, mathematics and so on.
: I am biased towards you because you deserve it, and you also deserve every
: piece of communism shit CCP filled in your pathetic brain LOL
: No, please, no more wasting our times for us to communicate, including yours
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 94 Finish reading your notes, you are obviously someone not with a normal mind,
but filled with lots of nonsense and no clear reason hatred. This is not
related to your sex orientation, but obviously you are not someone happy
with your life.
On the contrary to your belief, lots of fake data produced by biology are
not structure biology related. The possibility to lie in structural biology
data is much lower, because you need concrete data to back you back. On the
other hand, those who works with cell biology could blame non-
reproducibility to change of sample condition and fake their results. Yes,
it needs luck to get good sample for structural biology, but this is true in
every field, and it requires lots of work to hit the luck. If you want fame
on luck, you are obviously out of luck. Or, if you don't like this field,
no one will drag you into it, make your choice. I love what I do.
No government is perfect. I don't like CCP, but there is no better solution
to Chinese government right now, and they did make some good things happen
along the time. If you are not happy, talk with your friends from other
countries, the bad things happen in China now, is probably not because the
ideology, similar shit happened to Japan after WWII.
Don't lose your mind, it makes you appear crazy.
protocols
society
yours
【在 A*******t 的大作中提到】
: I like what I like, and hate what I hate. The same way you hate me.
: I hate all claimed structure biologist who know nothing beyond lab protocols
: and procedures performed in their own lab. Even a high school student can
: do it well. That's probably why NIH is cutting your fundings. It is funny
: that such kind of so called scientist call gay people 'junk' of the society
: when so many gay people serve society in quite positive way in areas like
: business, engineering, mathematics and so on.
: I am biased towards you because you deserve it, and you also deserve every
: piece of communism shit CCP filled in your pathetic brain LOL
: No, please, no more wasting our times for us to communicate, including yours
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 95 I feel sorry to see so many bad traits in some of gays. You guys are
pathetic not because you are gay, because you don't have a clear mind.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 太惨了，原来你还有self-hatred，这是怎样纠结的人生啊。。一边恨着一个与自己不
: 一样的群体，一边还自恨。。算了，不逗你了，跟你说点正经的，其实像你这种
: homophobia，也是一种病，说不定将来能找到你这种病的根源，然后治好，现在嘛，你
: 这病尽量不要传染给别人或者你的孩子比较好。
:
: we
: freedom
: to
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L****l
发帖数: 594 | 96 你是说加州的那个法律吧， 我先问你住在加州吗？因为如果你住在别的州，这个法律
和你一毛钱的关系都没有。
当初这个法律通过后，反对方曾发动过两次征集签名的campaign ，没有一次能够征集
到足够的签名。这说明了什么？说明了虽说有一些人非常反对这个法律，他们在一千多
万加州选民中并不占多数，或者说很多选民并不反对这个法律，至少不是像反对基因改
造食品 label那样。 否则反方也不会连五十万个签名都拿不到。 当年为了推翻 prop
8， 反方很快就征集到一百多万个签名。基因改造食品label在我眼里是小事，都能征
集到足够的签名。
你怎么教育你的孩子是你的事，没人管你，但学校怎么教育学生，也不是全听你的意见
。
or
get
aldult
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No fear towards lgbt.
: I support lgbt gets full benefit as married couple. But I'm completely
: against any schools try to teach kids about lgbt.
: Why? I want my gene to propagate, you guys can live your life anyway you
: want, and I don't want to change you or argue if homo is a genetic issue or
: environmental influence, or some mental/physical disability you need to get
: it cure or not, but, but keep it to yourself please. PERIOD.
: Also, I am completely against lgbt adoption. You choose the life style, so
: you better take the consequence, OK? If you need kids, and did adopt one,
: you have to make sure not to influence them to become another kidless aldult
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A*******t
发帖数: 443 | 97 are you telling your gay friends that "although we are friends, I do not
think you guys deserve some basic human rights?"
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: You are so wrong. No, I don't hate any gay. I have gay friends, they are
: really nice people. I used to hang out with them(I like workout, and they
: like workout too), which caused misunderstanding in some of my normal
: friends, but I did not care, because I know I am not gay and not into that
: kind of sex.
: I just don't want my kids get influence from gays.
:
: protocols
: society
: yours
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 98 你看，你说我们有病就可以，我们一说你有病你马上就不愿意了。既然你有权利认为同
性恋是一种病，那我当然也有权利认为你这种也是一种病。你说得别人，别人说不得你
？是因为你心里已经先入为主地把别人定义为比你低一等了。如果你想和别人认真讨论
，你就要真诚一点，放下你的有色眼镜，对别人平等对待，而不是像你现在这样，no
matter别人说什么、专家说什么，你只顽固地固守着你自己狭隘的偏见。如果每个人都
只相信自己的偏见，这个世界上就没有对话了，你说我有病，我说你有病。对不对？
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: I feel sorry to see so many bad traits in some of gays. You guys are
: pathetic not because you are gay, because you don't have a clear mind.
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 99 No, I will stay far away from CA as possible. : )
I hope some of your gay friends are more sensible. I am here, try to learn
what caused gay, and I am not against gay as I laid it out at my first post(
support gay couples get equal financial benefits as hetero couples). But
some of the IDs goes directly to attack me on aspects has nothing to do with
this discussion and become ridiculous, such as express explicit hatred
against all structural biologists, I wonder: what the heck is wrong with
such people? )
I do believe if we find out the cause of gay, we can change gay back to
hetero, after all, gay is against the natural choice of a species, of course
, you can claim current bio tech can make gay couples their own babies, but
in nature, if two are gay, they will have no kids and their gene will
terminate right there, which will cause the distinction to that species if
all couples are gay.
prop
【在 L****l 的大作中提到】
: 你是说加州的那个法律吧， 我先问你住在加州吗？因为如果你住在别的州，这个法律
: 和你一毛钱的关系都没有。
: 当初这个法律通过后，反对方曾发动过两次征集签名的campaign ，没有一次能够征集
: 到足够的签名。这说明了什么？说明了虽说有一些人非常反对这个法律，他们在一千多
: 万加州选民中并不占多数，或者说很多选民并不反对这个法律，至少不是像反对基因改
: 造食品 label那样。 否则反方也不会连五十万个签名都拿不到。 当年为了推翻 prop
: 8， 反方很快就征集到一百多万个签名。基因改造食品label在我眼里是小事，都能征
: 集到足够的签名。
: 你怎么教育你的孩子是你的事，没人管你，但学校怎么教育学生，也不是全听你的意见
: 。
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 100 Feel free to think I have homophobia, you can think what you like, I am ok
with that.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 你看，你说我们有病就可以，我们一说你有病你马上就不愿意了。既然你有权利认为同
: 性恋是一种病，那我当然也有权利认为你这种也是一种病。你说得别人，别人说不得你
: ？是因为你心里已经先入为主地把别人定义为比你低一等了。如果你想和别人认真讨论
: ，你就要真诚一点，放下你的有色眼镜，对别人平等对待，而不是像你现在这样，no
: matter别人说什么、专家说什么，你只顽固地固守着你自己狭隘的偏见。如果每个人都
: 只相信自己的偏见，这个世界上就没有对话了，你说我有病，我说你有病。对不对？
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 101 It's not because you claim I am homophobia that makes me feel you or some of
you are pathetic. I don't care what others think what I am, I am what I am(
like the example I gave before, I hang out with my workout buddies who are
gay in spite of all the jokes from my friends). It is because some of you
gays become irrational and make personal attacks. That is childish and
nonsense, loss of mind. It's not gay that makes you pathetic, it's the loss
of rational thinking that makes you pathetic.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 你看，你说我们有病就可以，我们一说你有病你马上就不愿意了。既然你有权利认为同
: 性恋是一种病，那我当然也有权利认为你这种也是一种病。你说得别人，别人说不得你
: ？是因为你心里已经先入为主地把别人定义为比你低一等了。如果你想和别人认真讨论
: ，你就要真诚一点，放下你的有色眼镜，对别人平等对待，而不是像你现在这样，no
: matter别人说什么、专家说什么，你只顽固地固守着你自己狭隘的偏见。如果每个人都
: 只相信自己的偏见，这个世界上就没有对话了，你说我有病，我说你有病。对不对？
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L****l
发帖数: 594 | 102 同性恋的具体产生原因到现在为止还没人能说得清，你来问，别人也回答不了你。
但同性恋不是病这一点则是医学界多少年的共识了， 那又何来“纠正”为异性恋的必
要呢？ 特别还是“纠正”别人，这是不是管得太宽了？
post(
with
course
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No, I will stay far away from CA as possible. : )
: I hope some of your gay friends are more sensible. I am here, try to learn
: what caused gay, and I am not against gay as I laid it out at my first post(
: support gay couples get equal financial benefits as hetero couples). But
: some of the IDs goes directly to attack me on aspects has nothing to do with
: this discussion and become ridiculous, such as express explicit hatred
: against all structural biologists, I wonder: what the heck is wrong with
: such people? )
: I do believe if we find out the cause of gay, we can change gay back to
: hetero, after all, gay is against the natural choice of a species, of course
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 103 It's a bit contradicting that scientists don't know the cause and conclude
it is not a defect or illness, just like originally scientists thought AIDS
were caused by anal sex? POlitics influence science community, without
question. For example, some famous scientist made a comment about the
variations of IQ in different race, which is a blind truth and cause huge
backfire. It is a shame politics try to blend black and white.
I don't care if you are gay or not, and I do have gay friends. But not want
my kids get influenced at too early an age, because I want them grow up as
hetero.
【在 L****l 的大作中提到】
: 同性恋的具体产生原因到现在为止还没人能说得清，你来问，别人也回答不了你。
: 但同性恋不是病这一点则是医学界多少年的共识了， 那又何来“纠正”为异性恋的必
: 要呢？ 特别还是“纠正”别人，这是不是管得太宽了？
:
: post(
: with
: course
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 104 其实吧，这个楼里就你最irrational，childish，nonsense，loss of mind，pathetic
了，你看这些词算不算personal attacks？这些负面的词可没有一个是从我嘴里说出来
的，而都是你用在我们身上的，却还反过来说我们personal attacks，你这人脑子真是
一团浆糊啊！
of
am(
loss
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: It's not because you claim I am homophobia that makes me feel you or some of
: you are pathetic. I don't care what others think what I am, I am what I am(
: like the example I gave before, I hang out with my workout buddies who are
: gay in spite of all the jokes from my friends). It is because some of you
: gays become irrational and make personal attacks. That is childish and
: nonsense, loss of mind. It's not gay that makes you pathetic, it's the loss
: of rational thinking that makes you pathetic.
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L****l
发帖数: 594 | 105 自闭症的原因到现在也不清楚，但影响生活，所以医学界都在寻找治疗方法。同性恋本
来是列为精神病的一种，医生们可以靠治疗同性恋来获利。如果没有科学证据的话，什
么样的politics能让他们主动放弃财路？这不更contradicting？ 把同性恋从精神病剔
出可不是别人为他们定的。
你不想你的孩子早接触gay是你的自由，有谁强迫你了吗？
AIDS
want
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: It's a bit contradicting that scientists don't know the cause and conclude
: it is not a defect or illness, just like originally scientists thought AIDS
: were caused by anal sex? POlitics influence science community, without
: question. For example, some famous scientist made a comment about the
: variations of IQ in different race, which is a blind truth and cause huge
: backfire. It is a shame politics try to blend black and white.
: I don't care if you are gay or not, and I do have gay friends. But not want
: my kids get influenced at too early an age, because I want them grow up as
: hetero.
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m**n
发帖数: 9010 | 106 这个问题的根本其实很简单. 比如, 我也想我孩子不和老黑通婚.
我还想把美国的文化都变成中国文化.
想归想, 关键看具体做法.
你不想要"my kids get influenced at too early an age",
那么很好, 请问你想(或者不想别人)做什么? 想做到什么程度?
比如, 你是否希望学校教育大家gay是不正常的?
如果你想, 那么请问你是
1. 希望立法规定学校必须这样做,
2. 还是只是"希望"学校这么做,
3. 还是会反对立法禁止学校这么做?
同样, 对于图书馆看到一本介绍gay家庭的书,
你是认为:
1. 图书馆在孩子的section就不应该有这样的书?
(a) 这属于不妥的行为, 图书馆有关人员应该负责任?
还是 (b)应该立法禁止图书馆做类似事情?
或者(c) 不同图书馆可以有自己的选择, 你会努力改变你图书馆
的选择?
或者还有(d)...
2. 图书馆有这样的书无所谓?
其实根据你具体的选择, 很明显可以看出来责任方是谁, 你应该怎么做.
而且能看出是真的有人犯了错务, 有责任改正, 还是只是别人与你的想法不同而已.
而不是象你现在这样泛泛的把所有的责任都推到同性恋群体身上.
AIDS
want
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: It's a bit contradicting that scientists don't know the cause and conclude
: it is not a defect or illness, just like originally scientists thought AIDS
: were caused by anal sex? POlitics influence science community, without
: question. For example, some famous scientist made a comment about the
: variations of IQ in different race, which is a blind truth and cause huge
: backfire. It is a shame politics try to blend black and white.
: I don't care if you are gay or not, and I do have gay friends. But not want
: my kids get influenced at too early an age, because I want them grow up as
: hetero.
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r*m
发帖数: 16380 | 107 矛盾在那里？
我们不歧视残疾人。 但残疾难道不是一种病？
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 一方面说同性恋是病，一方面说不歧视。自相矛盾。
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a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 108 回答下面：
医学界面早就认定"同性恋不是病"。你受过教育，不可能没听到过。你其它的知识相信
，这个知识却不接受，现在还在嘴硬，除了思想老旧和你内心深处的biased judgement
，无法解释。
【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: 矛盾在那里？
: 我们不歧视残疾人。 但残疾难道不是一种病？
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 109 妈呀，你脾气真好啊。
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 回答下面：
: 医学界面早就认定"同性恋不是病"。你受过教育，不可能没听到过。你其它的知识相信
: ，这个知识却不接受，现在还在嘴硬，除了思想老旧和你内心深处的biased judgement
: ，无法解释。
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a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 110 这些人一方面做出讲道理的样子，一方面又面对事实死不认账。
其实他们心里清清楚楚，选择性失明而已。 |
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p*******f
发帖数: 230 | 111 笨。。。。其实也可以算一种病，主要看人类对“智力正常”的定义的下限在哪里
现在你对 “正常” 的宽容度有点低
当你把世界上5％的人口、具有进化意义、不危害社会安全、已经人类作出贡献
blahblahblah。。。。的现象定义定义为不正常。。。我一样可以觉得你这样“笨”也
是一种病。大家一起病，病病更健康
【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: 矛盾在那里？
: 我们不歧视残疾人。 但残疾难道不是一种病？
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t******d
发帖数: 33 | |
t******d
发帖数: 33 | 113 谢谢所有发言的人，这是少有的不太谩骂的长贴了，让我看清了一些基本问题，谢谢。 |
t******d
发帖数: 33 | 114 屁股决定大脑，放之四海皆准。换言之，一个人的立场决定其思维方式，立场不改变，
其他都是说辞。凡是主动发言的，却说“我没有预设立场”，其实一般都有一个“但是
此时此刻我认为”跟在后面。所以别企图说服已经有立场的，争夺还没有形成立场的才
是发言的真正目的。无逻辑的/脑残的/图嘴巴爽的请自行跳过。 |
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 115 同性恋们，请访问这里去和版主辩论：
http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/GayStudy.html
GAY 犯罪率的事实:
Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
在连环杀手中, 69％是同性恋者（自认的同性恋者或犯罪前后曾从事的同性性行为者）;
骚扰或强奸然后杀害儿童的罪犯中,43％的比例是同性恋人. (包括了只杀了一个人的罪
犯)。
远高于同性恋在正常人群中的比例(1-2%)..........
根据Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).约50％的谋杀案是由同性恋
者制造. |
a***n
发帖数: 2632 | 116 你如果连“良知”是什么货色都不清楚，真是为你悲哀。
他讲得东西，没有一个是实事。句号。
）;
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: 同性恋们，请访问这里去和版主辩论：
: http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/GayStudy.html
: GAY 犯罪率的事实:
: Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
: 在连环杀手中, 69％是同性恋者（自认的同性恋者或犯罪前后曾从事的同性性行为者）;
: 骚扰或强奸然后杀害儿童的罪犯中,43％的比例是同性恋人. (包括了只杀了一个人的罪
: 犯)。
: 远高于同性恋在正常人群中的比例(1-2%)..........
: 根据Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).约50％的谋杀案是由同性恋
: 者制造.
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b******o
发帖数: 545 | 117 原来同性恋自己搞屁股磨B很私人的事，虽然不利于人类繁衍，不过也不碍事。正常人
不care.
现在居然要造舆论说搞屁股磨B是科学合理，利国利民？还不许正常人反对， 靠
【在 u***9 的大作中提到】
: 很遗憾，华人同胞恐同者(homophobia)不少，而且相当一部分似乎不是受宗教影响。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Automobile/33947061.html
: 难道仅仅是缺少“包容异己”的教育和爱心？才学疏浅，无法理解。敬请二言、散兄、
: K哥等有识之士分析分析？
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 118 看你前边的帖子，还觉得你至少还挺decent，看到你这个帖子，让人马上就看不起你了
。你要是连这些东西都可以拿来攻击我们，你层次真的很低。你装了半天，最后到底还
是暴露了。
）;
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: 同性恋们，请访问这里去和版主辩论：
: http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/GayStudy.html
: GAY 犯罪率的事实:
: Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
: 在连环杀手中, 69％是同性恋者（自认的同性恋者或犯罪前后曾从事的同性性行为者）;
: 骚扰或强奸然后杀害儿童的罪犯中,43％的比例是同性恋人. (包括了只杀了一个人的罪
: 犯)。
: 远高于同性恋在正常人群中的比例(1-2%)..........
: 根据Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).约50％的谋杀案是由同性恋
: 者制造.
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 119 科学合理、利国利民是哪里说的？你能少造点谣吗？造谣只能削弱你自己的分量。
【在 b******o 的大作中提到】
: 原来同性恋自己搞屁股磨B很私人的事，虽然不利于人类繁衍，不过也不碍事。正常人
: 不care.
: 现在居然要造舆论说搞屁股磨B是科学合理，利国利民？还不许正常人反对， 靠
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b******o
发帖数: 545 | 120 公开你搞屁股磨B的事实很有分量。 LoL
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 科学合理、利国利民是哪里说的？你能少造点谣吗？造谣只能削弱你自己的分量。
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 121 We are not as low as that BZ or you.
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: 同性恋们，请访问这里去和版主辩论：
: http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/GayStudy.html
: GAY 犯罪率的事实:
: Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
: 在连环杀手中, 69％是同性恋者（自认的同性恋者或犯罪前后曾从事的同性性行为者）;
: 骚扰或强奸然后杀害儿童的罪犯中,43％的比例是同性恋人. (包括了只杀了一个人的罪
: 犯)。
: 远高于同性恋在正常人群中的比例(1-2%)..........
: 根据Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).约50％的谋杀案是由同性恋
: 者制造.
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 122 你也就这点层次了，你不觉得你自己的脑子和嘴很脏吗？
【在 b******o 的大作中提到】
: 公开你搞屁股磨B的事实很有分量。 LoL
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 123 认识英文吗？读读这篇文章，提高一下你自己的性技巧，要不然你会让你的性伴侣很失
望的：
http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/dating-blog/rise-in-anal-se
【在 b******o 的大作中提到】
: 公开你搞屁股磨B的事实很有分量。 LoL
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b******o
发帖数: 545 | 124 我连中文都没认全。
毕业典礼学校请了唱 PianoMan的 Billy Joel做演讲。 Billy Joel说do what you
love, don't do it just for money. because if you fail, you still can enjoy
the process. 我深以为然。
Billy Joel是个老Gay， 我原来是支持给 Gay生存空间的，现在还是。
直到你们这些搞屁股磨B的要立法，要合法化，把一个反自然的事说成合理的，可以大
力宣传的为止。
I will kick your sorry ass up to the rainbow
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 认识英文吗？读读这篇文章，提高一下你自己的性技巧，要不然你会让你的性伴侣很失
: 望的：
: http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/dating-blog/rise-in-anal-se
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 125 The reality is we (gays and straight allies) are kicking your homophobes'
sorry asses.
Our 生存空间 is the same as yours, including marriage equality, whether you
like it or not.
【在 b******o 的大作中提到】
: 我连中文都没认全。
: 毕业典礼学校请了唱 PianoMan的 Billy Joel做演讲。 Billy Joel说do what you
: love, don't do it just for money. because if you fail, you still can enjoy
: the process. 我深以为然。
: Billy Joel是个老Gay， 我原来是支持给 Gay生存空间的，现在还是。
: 直到你们这些搞屁股磨B的要立法，要合法化，把一个反自然的事说成合理的，可以大
: 力宣传的为止。
: I will kick your sorry ass up to the rainbow
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 126 别总是满嘴搞屁股磨B，肛交就是你们异性恋自己发明的，而且深受你们异性恋的热爱
，你这样说话相当于是抽你自己的嘴巴，还不自知，抽的还倍儿起劲儿，我们都被你娱
乐了。。lol
另外，你性技巧这么搓，就只认识一条道儿，还深以为骄傲，i feel so sorry for
your wife！没事多学学吧，哪怕读读《金瓶梅》也好，人家老祖宗几百年前就比你知
道的技巧多了，别老自己撸，呵呵。
【在 b******o 的大作中提到】
: 我连中文都没认全。
: 毕业典礼学校请了唱 PianoMan的 Billy Joel做演讲。 Billy Joel说do what you
: love, don't do it just for money. because if you fail, you still can enjoy
: the process. 我深以为然。
: Billy Joel是个老Gay， 我原来是支持给 Gay生存空间的，现在还是。
: 直到你们这些搞屁股磨B的要立法，要合法化，把一个反自然的事说成合理的，可以大
: 力宣传的为止。
: I will kick your sorry ass up to the rainbow
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 127 bobobobo，警告你一次，侮辱别人的父母就等于是侮辱你自己的父母。这次删贴，下次
不再警告，直接封你ID，你这种ID没有在本版存在的价值，爱上哪玩儿上哪玩儿去。 |
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 128 笑死我了。這是傳說中的狐貍尾巴么？
還是大尾巴狼的尾巴？
哈哈哈哈。
）;
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: 同性恋们，请访问这里去和版主辩论：
: http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/GayStudy.html
: GAY 犯罪率的事实:
: Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
: 在连环杀手中, 69％是同性恋者（自认的同性恋者或犯罪前后曾从事的同性性行为者）;
: 骚扰或强奸然后杀害儿童的罪犯中,43％的比例是同性恋人. (包括了只杀了一个人的罪
: 犯)。
: 远高于同性恋在正常人群中的比例(1-2%)..........
: 根据Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).约50％的谋杀案是由同性恋
: 者制造.
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A*******t
发帖数: 443 | 129 unlike you, we have real jobs. LOL
）;
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: 同性恋们，请访问这里去和版主辩论：
: http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/GayStudy.html
: GAY 犯罪率的事实:
: Journal of the Family Research Institute, Vol. 18 No. 1, Feb 2003.
: 在连环杀手中, 69％是同性恋者（自认的同性恋者或犯罪前后曾从事的同性性行为者）;
: 骚扰或强奸然后杀害儿童的罪犯中,43％的比例是同性恋人. (包括了只杀了一个人的罪
: 犯)。
: 远高于同性恋在正常人群中的比例(1-2%)..........
: 根据Journal of Homosexuality. 26(4), 149-174 (1994).约50％的谋杀案是由同性恋
: 者制造.
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A*******t
发帖数: 443 | 130 Please do not pretend as if you can find a real job in CA..
post(
with
course
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No, I will stay far away from CA as possible. : )
: I hope some of your gay friends are more sensible. I am here, try to learn
: what caused gay, and I am not against gay as I laid it out at my first post(
: support gay couples get equal financial benefits as hetero couples). But
: some of the IDs goes directly to attack me on aspects has nothing to do with
: this discussion and become ridiculous, such as express explicit hatred
: against all structural biologists, I wonder: what the heck is wrong with
: such people? )
: I do believe if we find out the cause of gay, we can change gay back to
: hetero, after all, gay is against the natural choice of a species, of course
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 131 Yeah, I intentionally excluded jobs in CA. Don't like Republican, but
Democratic librals just make my stomach turn.
【在 A*******t 的大作中提到】
: Please do not pretend as if you can find a real job in CA..
:
: post(
: with
: course
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 132 俺们加州人民都很可爱，就连每天站在HOME DEPOT门口等零活儿的老墨都认为那是个固
定的real job，所以，没有人在加州找不到工作，关键就是做什么工作。。。
【在 A*******t 的大作中提到】
: Please do not pretend as if you can find a real job in CA..
:
: post(
: with
: course
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A*******t
发帖数: 443 | 133 Unlike happyfrog, those Mexician people are contributing positively and
create values to the society, which definitely qualifies a real job.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 俺们加州人民都很可爱，就连每天站在HOME DEPOT门口等零活儿的老墨都认为那是个固
: 定的real job，所以，没有人在加州找不到工作，关键就是做什么工作。。。
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 134 攻击别人的专业好像没什么意思。
【在 A*******t 的大作中提到】
: Unlike happyfrog, those Mexician people are contributing positively and
: create values to the society, which definitely qualifies a real job.
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 135 我没有攻击啊，我尊重所有勤奋劳动的人，哪怕他只是个等零活的老墨，人无高低贵贱。
我觉得Architekt的意思是，从对社会做的贡献的角度上，happyfrog并不比咱们或者老
墨高，他哪里来的莫名其妙的傲慢的优越感，就觉得比咱们高一等？
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 攻击别人的专业好像没什么意思。
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 136 This makes sense.
贱。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 我没有攻击啊，我尊重所有勤奋劳动的人，哪怕他只是个等零活的老墨，人无高低贵贱。
: 我觉得Architekt的意思是，从对社会做的贡献的角度上，happyfrog并不比咱们或者老
: 墨高，他哪里来的莫名其妙的傲慢的优越感，就觉得比咱们高一等？
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 137 Yeah, keep your nonsense to yourself and let's see how this world evolves.
Oh, no, without scientists, you wouldn't even know if this planet is
revolving.
And wait, without biomedical research, the whole world would still blame
AIDS on your now happy gay group!
LOL.
贱。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 我没有攻击啊，我尊重所有勤奋劳动的人，哪怕他只是个等零活的老墨，人无高低贵贱。
: 我觉得Architekt的意思是，从对社会做的贡献的角度上，happyfrog并不比咱们或者老
: 墨高，他哪里来的莫名其妙的傲慢的优越感，就觉得比咱们高一等？
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k*****e
发帖数: 1235 | 138 yeah, the world is evolving so same sex marriage is legal now.
sorry to disappoint you.
revolving.
on
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, keep your nonsense to yourself and let's see how this world evolves.
: Oh, no, without scientists, you wouldn't even know if this planet is
: revolving.
: And wait, without biomedical research, the whole world would still blame
: AIDS on your now happy gay group!
: LOL.
:
: 贱。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 139 我都要笑喷了，好像就你是科学家似的。。。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, keep your nonsense to yourself and let's see how this world evolves.
: Oh, no, without scientists, you wouldn't even know if this planet is
: revolving.
: And wait, without biomedical research, the whole world would still blame
: AIDS on your now happy gay group!
: LOL.
:
: 贱。
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 140 Yeah, those who publish on peer-review journals are no scientists unless get
your gay group approval, right?
You and your mexican buddies out side home depot are real scientists, you
guys really reshape the profile of the earth by digging it, right?
LOL, best joke of the day.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 我都要笑喷了，好像就你是科学家似的。。。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 141 啧啧，瞧你都傲慢成什么样儿了。人啊，没文化真可怕。没文化的人到死也不懂什么叫
做平等与尊重。
我现在跟你对话纯粹就是为了解闷儿了。
get
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, those who publish on peer-review journals are no scientists unless get
: your gay group approval, right?
: You and your mexican buddies out side home depot are real scientists, you
: guys really reshape the profile of the earth by digging it, right?
: LOL, best joke of the day.
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 142 No, if everything follows rigorous evolution homosexuality would have been
distinct, so obviously we don't understand what causes homosexuality and we
need more scientific study on this topic.
Legalization of marriage between same sex couples does not mean
homosexuality is understood comprehensively, you get the rights to enjoy,
but you still have an unclear symptom. Obviously you guys have no interest
nor motivation to find out why, but many people do. Hope the shity politics
in this country will not suppress such investigations.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: yeah, the world is evolving so same sex marriage is legal now.
: sorry to disappoint you.
:
: revolving.
: on
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 143 Right, I enjoy very much talking to you too. : )
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 啧啧，瞧你都傲慢成什么样儿了。人啊，没文化真可怕。没文化的人到死也不懂什么叫
: 做平等与尊重。
: 我现在跟你对话纯粹就是为了解闷儿了。
:
: get
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 144 你不知道吗？美国是世界上第十几个承认婚姻的国家，比有些国家晚了十几年。还
shity politics in THIS country，你还能更搞笑点儿吗？要不是因为有shity
politics，说不定早就承认同性婚姻了。。。就你这层次，是故意来黑homophobia的吧？
we
politics
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No, if everything follows rigorous evolution homosexuality would have been
: distinct, so obviously we don't understand what causes homosexuality and we
: need more scientific study on this topic.
: Legalization of marriage between same sex couples does not mean
: homosexuality is understood comprehensively, you get the rights to enjoy,
: but you still have an unclear symptom. Obviously you guys have no interest
: nor motivation to find out why, but many people do. Hope the shity politics
: in this country will not suppress such investigations.
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 145 行了行了，世人皆醉你独醒，行了吧？十几个国家的过半数民意支持和几代科学家的研
究都比不上你一个人明白，行了吧？赶紧去申请funding去吧！你要搬到乌干达的话，
你的支持率还高点儿。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Right, I enjoy very much talking to you too. : )
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 146 Yes, so the country that first legalized gay marriage is the most advanced
country on this planet.
Oh, yeah, let's re-define everything on this planet by double checking their
attitude towards gay related issues. Smart, why didn't I think of that?
吧？
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 你不知道吗？美国是世界上第十几个承认婚姻的国家，比有些国家晚了十几年。还
: shity politics in THIS country，你还能更搞笑点儿吗？要不是因为有shity
: politics，说不定早就承认同性婚姻了。。。就你这层次，是故意来黑homophobia的吧？
:
: we
: politics
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 147 Also, I bet there will soon be a gay God/Lord.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 行了行了，世人皆醉你独醒，行了吧？十几个国家的过半数民意支持和几代科学家的研
: 究都比不上你一个人明白，行了吧？赶紧去申请funding去吧！你要搬到乌干达的话，
: 你的支持率还高点儿。
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 148 No, I have no bias against gay, please don't misunderstand. I only oppose
the school start to teach kids about gay at 2nd grade. That goes too far,
you
guys! Can't you wait a bit, don't be so anxious!
Children's mind are not well formed and can be mis-guided. That is why we
reserve many things to show them later. I strongly believe gay is one of
such topics.
You guys can live whichever way you want, but please stay away from
influencing children.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 行了行了，世人皆醉你独醒，行了吧？十几个国家的过半数民意支持和几代科学家的研
: 究都比不上你一个人明白，行了吧？赶紧去申请funding去吧！你要搬到乌干达的话，
: 你的支持率还高点儿。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 149 闲着也是闲着，我再教你点儿新知识：已经有很多研究结论，对同性恋友好的程度与这
个国家的GDP水平成正比，GDP越高的国家和地区越容易友同，越是落后愚昧的国家和地
区越是你这样的人多。其实你自己看看美国国内就知道了，越是发达的州越是友同的。
当然，你还是可以捂起眼睛来坐地打滚儿，就是不看啊就是不看！！不过，那可不是一
个科学家应该有的态度。lol
their
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, so the country that first legalized gay marriage is the most advanced
: country on this planet.
: Oh, yeah, let's re-define everything on this planet by double checking their
: attitude towards gay related issues. Smart, why didn't I think of that?
:
:
: 吧？
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 150 就别装了，你都低级到认为同性恋的犯罪率比普通人高了，还在这儿装。真让人看不起。
科学数据你不看，你就光看街头小报，谁能信你是科学家啊？科学家这个词又躺枪了，
你可笑死我了。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: No, I have no bias against gay, please don't misunderstand. I only oppose
: the school start to teach kids about gay at 2nd grade. That goes too far,
: you
: guys! Can't you wait a bit, don't be so anxious!
: Children's mind are not well formed and can be mis-guided. That is why we
: reserve many things to show them later. I strongly believe gay is one of
: such topics.
: You guys can live whichever way you want, but please stay away from
: influencing children.
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|
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 151 Logically that is flawed. First of all, there must be many other things
correlated with the economy development of states, and this correlation does
not justify this behavior is good or bad. You even see more waste produced
from more developed countries.
Secondly this correlation, even if true, only proves the larger attraction
of gays to highly developed states, and still it does not give us an answer
to the question: What causes gay?
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 闲着也是闲着，我再教你点儿新知识：已经有很多研究结论，对同性恋友好的程度与这
: 个国家的GDP水平成正比，GDP越高的国家和地区越容易友同，越是落后愚昧的国家和地
: 区越是你这样的人多。其实你自己看看美国国内就知道了，越是发达的州越是友同的。
: 当然，你还是可以捂起眼睛来坐地打滚儿，就是不看啊就是不看！！不过，那可不是一
: 个科学家应该有的态度。lol
:
: their
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 152 I only quoted that data from the other board, show your evidence to counter
attack that argument please.
起。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 就别装了，你都低级到认为同性恋的犯罪率比普通人高了，还在这儿装。真让人看不起。
: 科学数据你不看，你就光看街头小报，谁能信你是科学家啊？科学家这个词又躺枪了，
: 你可笑死我了。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 153 那你怎么对那些街头破小报儿都那么无脑接受呢？堂堂一科学家还和msgc那种人站在一
起。lol
does
produced
answer
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Logically that is flawed. First of all, there must be many other things
: correlated with the economy development of states, and this correlation does
: not justify this behavior is good or bad. You even see more waste produced
: from more developed countries.
: Secondly this correlation, even if true, only proves the larger attraction
: of gays to highly developed states, and still it does not give us an answer
: to the question: What causes gay?
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 154 切，我反击个P，我还可以说你去和小学女生开房了，拿出证据来证明你没开啊？
counter
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: I only quoted that data from the other board, show your evidence to counter
: attack that argument please.
:
: 起。
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 155 Well, at least that one is based on statistical studies from existing cases,
but your claim is baseless.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 切，我反击个P，我还可以说你去和小学女生开房了，拿出证据来证明你没开啊？
:
: counter
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t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 156
cases,
他那個都叫科學的統計數據的話，
我真不知道科學有什么道理。
除了統計數據，還應該計較一下如何取證吧？
取證還得考慮取樣的完整性吧？
取證還不能有bias吧？
這都不僅僅是邏輯的問題，
對科學的態度和方法都有問題啊。
版上一抓一把科學家，
別丟科學家的人了。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Well, at least that one is based on statistical studies from existing cases,
: but your claim is baseless.
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 157 Change a perspective, don't you feel intrigued that why so many gays are
great scientists, artists, as well as vicious criminals? Don't you want to
find out why? Curiosity is the first drive of all sciences.
If we do find out what causes all this, we can make the best out of gay for
the best of this world, don't you agree? Maybe we will discovery some form
of gay or some gene mutation in gay can highlight scientific reasoning while
some leads to criminal mind, or even find gay is a more advanced form
evolution(I seriously doubt this though, but you can deny possibly
correlation of the formal two).
Or we can find out even more about gay, such as why some people have
different gay-ness(like gay sex, love gay sex, only have gay sex, I guess,
must exist in different gay people).
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 切，我反击个P，我还可以说你去和小学女生开房了，拿出证据来证明你没开啊？
:
: counter
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 158 科学这个词早都被happyfrog毁啦，科学家们都吐血而亡了。。
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: cases,
: 他那個都叫科學的統計數據的話，
: 我真不知道科學有什么道理。
: 除了統計數據，還應該計較一下如何取證吧？
: 取證還得考慮取樣的完整性吧？
: 取證還不能有bias吧？
: 這都不僅僅是邏輯的問題，
: 對科學的態度和方法都有問題啊。
: 版上一抓一把科學家，
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h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 159 Statistics is usually the first step we take to probe into some unknown
phenomena. Of course there will be some sampling error, inevitable, but that
does not explain the huge difference between ratio of gay vs normal people
and the ratio of gay in those criminals.
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: cases,
: 他那個都叫科學的統計數據的話，
: 我真不知道科學有什么道理。
: 除了統計數據，還應該計較一下如何取證吧？
: 取證還得考慮取樣的完整性吧？
: 取證還不能有bias吧？
: 這都不僅僅是邏輯的問題，
: 對科學的態度和方法都有問題啊。
: 版上一抓一把科學家，
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 160 Only if all scientists are gays.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 科学这个词早都被happyfrog毁啦，科学家们都吐血而亡了。。
|
|
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t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 161
that
people
你說了等于沒說。
科學應該怎么取樣？
substantially suggestive肯定是要不得的吧。
你做生物實驗取樣100個，
只取10個對自己的結論有利的，
這叫sampling error，
還是行為藝術啊？
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Statistics is usually the first step we take to probe into some unknown
: phenomena. Of course there will be some sampling error, inevitable, but that
: does not explain the huge difference between ratio of gay vs normal people
: and the ratio of gay in those criminals.
|
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 162 笑死个人，只挑自己想要的CASE就叫statistical studies？一些反同人士的所谓研究
为什么可笑，统计上有什么问题，本版多次分析过。良知俱乐部里的那个＂研究＂，没
有任何人有兴趣分析，谁分析谁弱智，谁要是还居然相信，我不知道该用什么词形容了
，你自己选个词吧。
cases,
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: Well, at least that one is based on statistical studies from existing cases,
: but your claim is baseless.
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 163 We don't have to get stuck over this criminal correlation (which seems much
larger than substantial suggestive evidence 50% vs 2%).
Don't be shy to acknowledge some weakness and just want to claim the
honorous correlation such as in science/arts, you just lack the courage to
face truth.
I am not shy to admit Chinese are not very good in union, or my English is
poor, or I am a bad jogger.
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: that
: people
: 你說了等于沒說。
: 科學應該怎么取樣？
: substantially suggestive肯定是要不得的吧。
: 你做生物實驗取樣100個，
: 只取10個對自己的結論有利的，
: 這叫sampling error，
: 還是行為藝術啊？
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t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 164
much
被您這一番話教育的，我勝讀十年書啊，
我都被樓上暗示我弱智了，
我還是別浪費我的智商了。
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: We don't have to get stuck over this criminal correlation (which seems much
: larger than substantial suggestive evidence 50% vs 2%).
: Don't be shy to acknowledge some weakness and just want to claim the
: honorous correlation such as in science/arts, you just lack the courage to
: face truth.
: I am not shy to admit Chinese are not very good in union, or my English is
: poor, or I am a bad jogger.
|
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 165 天这么热，你能不能从哪儿来的，就回哪儿凉快去呢？别在这儿丢人现眼呢？
much
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: We don't have to get stuck over this criminal correlation (which seems much
: larger than substantial suggestive evidence 50% vs 2%).
: Don't be shy to acknowledge some weakness and just want to claim the
: honorous correlation such as in science/arts, you just lack the courage to
: face truth.
: I am not shy to admit Chinese are not very good in union, or my English is
: poor, or I am a bad jogger.
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 166 哈哈，我觉得球球不是说你吧，别敏感啊~
／／拍拍。。安慰一下
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: much
: 被您這一番話教育的，我勝讀十年書啊，
: 我都被樓上暗示我弱智了，
: 我還是別浪費我的智商了。
|
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 167
嘿嘿，我知道球球沒說我啊，要不你發倆包子給我安慰下？LOL
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，我觉得球球不是说你吧，别敏感啊~
: ／／拍拍。。安慰一下
|
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 168 安慰一下,我不是故意的。
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 嘿嘿，我知道球球沒說我啊，要不你發倆包子給我安慰下？LOL
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 169 你是找茬讹包子哪？
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 嘿嘿，我知道球球沒說我啊，要不你發倆包子給我安慰下？LOL
|
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 170
不然你發倆包子給我？：P
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 安慰一下,我不是故意的。
|
|
|
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 171
是啊，你才知道啊。。。
我這昵稱就這意思，“散”四川話的意思是插科打諢，沒個正形兒。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 你是找茬讹包子哪？
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 172 求你了，你以后提到它的时候，能不能用msgc，不要用“良知”这个词？弄得我现在一
看见“良知”这个词就觉得特别脏。。挺好一词，就这么毁了，从今天往后，我看到“
科学家”这个词就肯定想笑。。
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 笑死个人，只挑自己想要的CASE就叫statistical studies？一些反同人士的所谓研究
: 为什么可笑，统计上有什么问题，本版多次分析过。良知俱乐部里的那个＂研究＂，没
: 有任何人有兴趣分析，谁分析谁弱智，谁要是还居然相信，我不知道该用什么词形容了
: ，你自己选个词吧。
:
: cases,
|
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 173
呵呵，我們家那位科學家已經快氣死了。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 求你了，你以后提到它的时候，能不能用msgc，不要用“良知”这个词？弄得我现在一
: 看见“良知”这个词就觉得特别脏。。挺好一词，就这么毁了，从今天往后，我看到“
: 科学家”这个词就肯定想笑。。
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 174 要拿我们北方话，散读四声，就是对象老散的意思。。／／光速逃。。
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵，我們家那位科學家已經快氣死了。
|
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 175 她太认真了，MAJIA给她发个包子？
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵，我們家那位科學家已經快氣死了。
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 176 哈哈哈哈，笑死我了~~
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵，我們家那位科學家已經快氣死了。
|
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 177
拿包子來！ 哼！！
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 要拿我们北方话，散读四声，就是对象老散的意思。。／／光速逃。。
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 178 我的个妈，这周末过的，太娱乐了。。谢谢科学家了~ |
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 179 改昵稱，哼！
包子包子包子！
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 我的个妈，这周末过的，太娱乐了。。谢谢科学家了~
|
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 180
也不是認真，是我平常叫她科學家。她平常叫我文科生。
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 她太认真了，MAJIA给她发个包子？
|
|
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 181 哟，这么刚烈 lol
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
: 改昵稱，哼！
: 包子包子包子！
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 182 我倒，还真有人躺枪了，哈哈哈哈~
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 也不是認真，是我平常叫她科學家。她平常叫我文科生。
|
h*******g
发帖数: 2201 | 183 This is too much!
Calif. lawmakers pass K-12 transgender-rights bill
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California lawmakers are sending Gov. Jerry Brown
a bill that would require public K-12 schools to let transgender students
choose which restrooms they use and which school teams they join based on
their gender identity instead of their chromosomes.
Some school districts around the country have implemented similar policies,
but the bill's author says AB1266 would mark the first time a state has
mandated such treatment.
The bill would give youths the right "to participate in sex-segregated
programs, activities and facilities" based on their self-perception,
regardless of their birth gender.
It sparked an impassioned debate on the Senate floor Wednesday about when
transgender students' right to expression might conflict with other students
' discomfort and right to privacy.
Opponents say the state is going too far.
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
t*******e
发帖数: 2113 | 184 說句實話，我感到幸災樂禍。LOL
Brown
,
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: This is too much!
: Calif. lawmakers pass K-12 transgender-rights bill
: SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California lawmakers are sending Gov. Jerry Brown
: a bill that would require public K-12 schools to let transgender students
: choose which restrooms they use and which school teams they join based on
: their gender identity instead of their chromosomes.
: Some school districts around the country have implemented similar policies,
: but the bill's author says AB1266 would mark the first time a state has
: mandated such treatment.
: The bill would give youths the right "to participate in sex-segregated
|
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 185 是不是too much也是由加州人民自己说了算，你说你一个外人操什么心啊？
如果too much了，这些lawmakers下一届就会被选下去，如果没被选下去，那说明他们
顺应民意，加州人民不觉得too much。你着急去吧，呵呵。
Brown
,
【在 h*******g 的大作中提到】
: This is too much!
: Calif. lawmakers pass K-12 transgender-rights bill
: SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California lawmakers are sending Gov. Jerry Brown
: a bill that would require public K-12 schools to let transgender students
: choose which restrooms they use and which school teams they join based on
: their gender identity instead of their chromosomes.
: Some school districts around the country have implemented similar policies,
: but the bill's author says AB1266 would mark the first time a state has
: mandated such treatment.
: The bill would give youths the right "to participate in sex-segregated
|
