x*******i
发帖数: 777 | 1 This article is inspired by the Techcrunch’s post written by Professor
Vivek Wadh, visiting scholar at the School of Information at UC-
Berkeley, director of research for the Center for Entrepreneurship and
Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering at Duke
University.
US economy is shattered and shows no signals of full recover. Many
people have lost houses and jobs since 2007. It is still unclear for
when or how our economy can be recovered.
Meanwhile, the number of startups dropped 24% in 2009. The data in
2010 is still not available. It is already known the US job loss rate
is 9.5%, with 131,000 loss by July of 2010. Startups contribute to
most of fresh employment annually. This implies some plunge or very
slight increase of the number of startups in 2010.
Does this seriously mean US has already lost its innovation and the
startup momenta?
First let us scan who and what are behind of these startups. Reports
showed immigrants are one main force of US startups, source 1, source
2, source 3. Since 1990, immigrants have founded 25% venture-capital-
backed startups in US, source. These startups are mainly in
information technology (24%) and high tech manufacturing (42%) areas.
Silicon Valley’s innovation has been constantly driven by immigrants.
From 1995 to 2005, 52% of Silicon Valley’s startups were founded by
foreign-born workers, source. The number of immigrants staying in US
however dropped about 1 million in 2009 due to the financial crisis
started from 2007. In 2008, the number of immigrants in US were 11.6
million. In 2009, the number was decreased to 10.8 million. Such drop
has actually already started from late 2007. The trend might continue
in 2010 or even in 2011.
Then we continue to look at the fact of graduate students entering US
and staying in US, who are probably the most promising candidates to
create startups. In 2009, there is a 1% decline of international
graduate students entering US. In 2010, the plunge was reversed. The
number of international graduate students increased 3% from 2009,
source. Good news indeed!
It comes to the question whether they can get jobs after graduation.
Until 2010, the H1B visa application process is still painful. It is
unknown whether the application can be approved. The US government is
very wise for dealing with this by creating the H1B visa quota policy.
The quota specifies the number of 65,000 for each fiscal year. Until
present, it is still unclear for how the US government comes up with
this quota number. For many international students, the process to get
the H1B visa is very similar to win a gamble. Considering there were
671,616 international students in US in 2008 – 2009, source, it is
likely that many of these students can not get luck among the H1B
lottery process. What this means to those who can get the job offer
from companies but can not win the H1B lottery? It simply means you
are not very needed to work for US. Please go somewhere else to get a
job.
H1B visa is a quite strict policy. It very rigidly specifies that you
are only eligible staying in US for three years, extendable to six
years, with possible another one year extension. Is it possible for an
international graduate (undergraduate) students to create a startups
within 3 or maximum 6 years? The answer is it is very challenging to
even get it started. First, for most of international students, even
they are intelligent, they still have culture, language barriers. If
you even can not speak English fluently, how come you can convince
people to invest you. Second, during these 3 or 6 years, you must work
as full time in order to keep the H1B visa valid. You do not have time
to spend on starting up your business. After working a 40 or probably
even more than 40 hours per week, you are fatigued, exhausted. Third,
international students have very few social network available. They
are only able to get the very minimum help as they need.
How about you are exceptionally smart, energetic, and social, and
finally great God offers you a gift, somehow you get a startup. Hold,
you still have trouble. H1B visa has explicitly specifies that anyone
who is under this visa category can not get even a single dollar
reward beside the income from the official job under the H1B visa.
This might be confusing for many ones who do not know H1B. It is
actually simple. For example, you have a job, the company helps you to
apply for the H1B visa. That is called the job under the H1B. You are
only allowed to be paid from this job, not from anywhere else. You are
simply a volunteer for your startup or you have to figure out the way
to get some illegal ‘dark cash’.
Even you really enjoy this struggling process, working as a
volunteered CEO/CTO to pursue the dream of innovation, the road in
front of you is still very undetermined. Your H1B visa is only valid
for six years. You have to apply for the Green card in order to stay
in US. There are several categories for applying for a Green card,
which are EB1, EB2, and EB3. EB1 is designed for international famous
scientists and scholars. Most of people are only qualified under the
EB2 category. It takes about 5 to 6 years in average before you can be
issued the Green card. During this period of time, you have to have a
legal job, for example H1B visa job in order to be qualified for
getting the Green card.
How much time is granted for an international student to get a
successful startup in US?
Visa application (1 year) + work to impress boss in order to keep the
H1B visa job (2 – 3 years) + start to apply for the Green card
(typically requires 5 -6 years)
It is apparent H1B visa workers have to wait for about 10 years before
they can do anything about startups. If they are ambitious and want to
start early, for example, working as full time in a company, making
use of the late night time to work on the startups, in total they need
to work at least 80 hours per week in order to start some business.
The truth is the H1B workers probably are risking their personal
health and the H1B visa job satisfaction. What this really means to
H1B visa workers? It means (1) They can really be aging early and
fast. (2) In reality, they very often do not have time or over-
pressured for starting the startup before the H1B visa gets expired.
(3) The job is essentially their life. If the job is lost, they likely
have to leave US. (4) How many people want to risk the whole family
becoming illegal to pursue the dream of startups?
Economy is not just simply the number. It is about fact, policy, and
enthusiasms of people. Hope this article can help US government policy
makers reflect on the H1B and Green card polices with a single goal in
mind, which is to make US a better place to live and to thrive.
http://newsicare.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/america-pain-fact-and
up/ | s****r
发帖数: 758 | | L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | | z***y
发帖数: 13818 | 4 问得好
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: 美国有发达的外表吗？
| L*****s
发帖数: 24744 | | p*******s
发帖数: 1613 | 6 exactly.
人家的移民政策人家想怎么办就怎么办，美国只要高兴，说男的必须自宫才可以移民都
可以，爱来不来的问题，没什么好唠叨的，不满意你别腆着脸递交h1b申请好了。
移民更严的国家多了，瑞士、北欧、德国、日本，你去移移看。
【在 L*****s 的大作中提到】
: 人家又没有求着你移民,人家当然是大爷了..
| W*****e
发帖数: 7759 | 7 有工作的话,瑞典比美国要容易
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: exactly.
: 人家的移民政策人家想怎么办就怎么办，美国只要高兴，说男的必须自宫才可以移民都
: 可以，爱来不来的问题，没什么好唠叨的，不满意你别腆着脸递交h1b申请好了。
: 移民更严的国家多了，瑞士、北欧、德国、日本，你去移移看。
| n*******r
发帖数: 778 | 8 有工作的话,日本比美国要容易
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: exactly.
: 人家的移民政策人家想怎么办就怎么办，美国只要高兴，说男的必须自宫才可以移民都
: 可以，爱来不来的问题，没什么好唠叨的，不满意你别腆着脸递交h1b申请好了。
: 移民更严的国家多了，瑞士、北欧、德国、日本，你去移移看。
| u*******r
发帖数: 2855 | 9 有工作的话,北欧,德国和日本永居都比美国容易
瑞士比较变态...
【在 p*******s 的大作中提到】
: exactly.
: 人家的移民政策人家想怎么办就怎么办，美国只要高兴，说男的必须自宫才可以移民都
: 可以，爱来不来的问题，没什么好唠叨的，不满意你别腆着脸递交h1b申请好了。
: 移民更严的国家多了，瑞士、北欧、德国、日本，你去移移看。
| h****c
发帖数: 10494 | | | | z***s
发帖数: 3241 | 11 拿了绿卡变了公民的“中国人”，去申请中国公民试试难度如何？？ | k*****a
发帖数: 610 | 12 放弃美国国籍参加基地组织的美国人，再去申请美国公民试试难度如何？ | u***n
发帖数: 10554 | 13 是不是这些国家工作更难找？
【在 W*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有工作的话,瑞典比美国要容易
| s*******1
发帖数: 3820 | 14 美国本身就是移民国家，对移民不应该这么tough的，这文章写得很对。 | D*****I
发帖数: 987 | 15 美国对MEXICO移民不这么tough, They need their hands to do pick straw beerries
, build houses, and clean bath rooms | x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 16 我每次从上海回到Boston，都感觉像回到第三世界一样。
【在 x*******i 的大作中提到】
: This article is inspired by the Techcrunch’s post written by Professor
: Vivek Wadh, visiting scholar at the School of Information at UC-
: Berkeley, director of research for the Center for Entrepreneurship and
: Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering at Duke
: University.
: US economy is shattered and shows no signals of full recover. Many
: people have lost houses and jobs since 2007. It is still unclear for
: when or how our economy can be recovered.
: Meanwhile, the number of startups dropped 24% in 2009. The data in
: 2010 is still not available. It is already known the US job loss rate
| b*******k
发帖数: 16989 | 17 中国的移民政策是专门对本国人mean
【在 x*******i 的大作中提到】
: This article is inspired by the Techcrunch’s post written by Professor
: Vivek Wadh, visiting scholar at the School of Information at UC-
: Berkeley, director of research for the Center for Entrepreneurship and
: Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering at Duke
: University.
: US economy is shattered and shows no signals of full recover. Many
: people have lost houses and jobs since 2007. It is still unclear for
: when or how our economy can be recovered.
: Meanwhile, the number of startups dropped 24% in 2009. The data in
: 2010 is still not available. It is already known the US job loss rate
| h********0
发帖数: 12056 | 18 天朝的移民政策最nc. 外国人在中国永远是上等人。 | z*********a
发帖数: 36 | 19 Overall, I like this article. A minor suggestion is the author use a
different title to avoid uncessary arguments (hopefully). For example, "
Current Immigration Policy -- Friend or Foe of Economic Recovery?"
【在 x*******i 的大作中提到】
: This article is inspired by the Techcrunch’s post written by Professor
: Vivek Wadh, visiting scholar at the School of Information at UC-
: Berkeley, director of research for the Center for Entrepreneurship and
: Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering at Duke
: University.
: US economy is shattered and shows no signals of full recover. Many
: people have lost houses and jobs since 2007. It is still unclear for
: when or how our economy can be recovered.
: Meanwhile, the number of startups dropped 24% in 2009. The data in
: 2010 is still not available. It is already known the US job loss rate
| r********3
发帖数: 2998 | 20 当年对古巴的政策是，只要你能游到美国，踏入美国土地一刻，你就可以是美国公民了。
beerries
【在 D*****I 的大作中提到】
: 美国对MEXICO移民不这么tough, They need their hands to do pick straw beerries
: , build houses, and clean bath rooms
| | | s****r
发帖数: 758 | 21 不知道你为什么还要回来。援助第三世界国家人民的革命事业么？
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: 我每次从上海回到Boston，都感觉像回到第三世界一样。
| c**********e
发帖数: 3298 | 22 不是当年，现在也差不多，只要你能逃出来然后踏上美国国土，bingo, you got the
GC!!我所在的佛州，这种人太多了，拿身份也太easy了
了。
【在 r********3 的大作中提到】
: 当年对古巴的政策是，只要你能游到美国，踏入美国土地一刻，你就可以是美国公民了。
:
: beerries
| l**s
发帖数: 20567 | | M*****0
发帖数: 1061 | 24 那你为什么还会来呢？ 是变态还是NC。
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: 我每次从上海回到Boston，都感觉像回到第三世界一样。
| d****r
发帖数: 320 | 25 这篇文章很脑残，逻辑是美国经济复苏要靠start ups，start-ups 要靠移民，移民要
靠H-1b visas,和绿卡，为了新移民可以早日开公司，所以h-1bs and GCs 要放松政策
。别的不说，作者如何知道开公司的移民都是走h-1bs的，很多国家来美国连签证都不
用，还有的人是亲属移民呢。 | M*******n
发帖数: 31 | 26 稻草人诡辩。你把作者的观点绝对化了，然后针对你给扣得帽子批判作者的观点太绝对
太脑残了。
【在 d****r 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章很脑残，逻辑是美国经济复苏要靠start ups，start-ups 要靠移民，移民要
: 靠H-1b visas,和绿卡，为了新移民可以早日开公司，所以h-1bs and GCs 要放松政策
: 。别的不说，作者如何知道开公司的移民都是走h-1bs的，很多国家来美国连签证都不
: 用，还有的人是亲属移民呢。
| s****l
发帖数: 16457 | 27 是因为美国缺少游泳人才么？
了。
【在 r********3 的大作中提到】
: 当年对古巴的政策是，只要你能游到美国，踏入美国土地一刻，你就可以是美国公民了。
:
: beerries
| s*******1
发帖数: 3820 | 28 What!作者那里说startup都要靠移民？这文章写得很客观了
觉得你可能是非法移民，没看明白？
【在 d****r 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章很脑残，逻辑是美国经济复苏要靠start ups，start-ups 要靠移民，移民要
: 靠H-1b visas,和绿卡，为了新移民可以早日开公司，所以h-1bs and GCs 要放松政策
: 。别的不说，作者如何知道开公司的移民都是走h-1bs的，很多国家来美国连签证都不
: 用，还有的人是亲属移民呢。
| s*******1
发帖数: 3820 | 29 那我们这种合法出来的，能不能踏上美国国土也拿绿卡？
【在 c**********e 的大作中提到】
: 不是当年，现在也差不多，只要你能逃出来然后踏上美国国土，bingo, you got the
: GC!!我所在的佛州，这种人太多了，拿身份也太easy了
:
: 了。
| m********e
发帖数: 33 | 30 乐死我了，人家凭啥要对外国人好啊。
天朝不用说对移民了，本国国民弄个北京户口都麻烦。
【在 x*******i 的大作中提到】
: This article is inspired by the Techcrunch’s post written by Professor
: Vivek Wadh, visiting scholar at the School of Information at UC-
: Berkeley, director of research for the Center for Entrepreneurship and
: Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering at Duke
: University.
: US economy is shattered and shows no signals of full recover. Many
: people have lost houses and jobs since 2007. It is still unclear for
: when or how our economy can be recovered.
: Meanwhile, the number of startups dropped 24% in 2009. The data in
: 2010 is still not available. It is already known the US job loss rate
| | | a******0
发帖数: 11 | 31 话说德国还真的是比较好拿公民的国家。
在德国工作签证那满三年就可以拿到长期居留，过个五六年就可以申请入籍了。
德国好几个朋友就是先读书，读个五六年，出来工作一两年，直接就入籍了。
个人感觉比美国方便多了。 |
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