T****O
发帖数: 407 | 1 I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
definitely
gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
very
true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
When training, if you try to run fast, the only outcome is to get
injured
even faster. If you hadn't got injured by race day, you would probably
get the absolutely worst outcome: you convinced yourself that you could
and should try your best record at race, because for all the time you
had
trained, nothing bad happened. This is usually a route to disaster.
Lastly, Marathon is a Group sport. Don't run it alone.
(My reason for this post)
Any race, including Marathon, is a competition by its nature. It's OK
and probably healthy to be somewhat competitive if you get in a race.
But for amateur runners, a very common phenomenon is they don't realize
how brutal and cruel training for and running a Marathon actually is
until too late. Everyone is different but when you post your personal
record, although you may never have such an intention, other people,
particularly new runners WILL compare themselves with you and and even
try to outrun you, without knowing clearly what they are getting into.
In short, your words in public will have unwanted consequences. Please
phrase them carefully and responsively.
(More)
One thing I read here is that so many people, particularly runners with
good records, meaning Boston qualification, rarely admitted EXACTLY how
they felt at distance 20-26 mil. Don't lie to me. I've seen
professionals collapsed at 24 while amateurs passed out at end line.
Don't give people wrong impression about marathon, even if you meant
well. |
v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 2 打酱油路过～～～
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
S*M
发帖数: 10832 | 3 这都什么啊
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | |
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 5 打瓶醋跟着~~~
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 打酱油路过～～～
|
e****n
发帖数: 4054 | 6 我同意你的说法，除了标题。
跑了那么多的人难道还不知道人生既有高潮也有低谷，不盲目攀比，也不以速度和距离
为唯一依据，乐在跑步，乐在其中？
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
p********a
发帖数: 5352 | 7 汗。。。不仅不让BSO，连RECORD都不让贴了。。:) |
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 8 1. 严肃的长跑选手都希望能越跑越快， 不管是职业还是业余的。。
nothing wrong with that... 并不是只有奥林匹克选手才有资格跑步。
事实上任何人开始跑步的时候并不知道他/她是否有这个潜质。。
2. 健身跑和跑马拉松是两回事， 如果不经过训练就去乱跑比赛， 是
对自己和家人的不负责任。俺一直说长跑训练的就是耐心， 恒心， 平常心。
不要整天和别人比来比去。 长跑难不是难在一冲动就去报个名比赛， 而是
你能持之以恒的去坚持训练。。
3. accidents happened anywhere, 每天都有车祸， 就让大家都不
开车么？ 出了车祸， 大家更要学习的是要小心开车。 每年几十万美国
人跑马拉松， 不管跑快跑慢， 大家都能参与，并且乐在其中， 大家都
是疯了么。。
4. 我一直认为只有自己亲身做过的事情才更有发言权， 这年头不跑步，
还喜欢指手画脚的跑步专家到处都是。。
最后， running is a lonely sports, except the Ekiden..
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
l**n
发帖数: 2405 | 9 It is good to get injured.
Only after injured, one would understand and respect the long distance
running.
In my case, I have almost forgot the "good" days when I can walk without any
knee pains. All kind of pains, inflammations all over the legs, knees let
me taste the tough part of the training. But hey, I feel good with all these
pains. No pain no gain, right? |
m******g
发帖数: 516 | 10 i dont mind seeing people post result, neither mind hearing others whining
about it. |
|
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r********r
发帖数: 2912 | 11 .....
所有观点都和我相反....
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 12 You see what you think about, your comment shows you are sour, no offense.
You need to know your own limits, and do your best if you really love runnin
g.
It is hard for one to know that he/she has the potential that he/she did not
notice, by reading other people's record, he/she knows and tries to push to
his/her own limit. Running is part enjoying part suffering, to suffer to ac
hieve, IT IS the BEAUTY OF RUNNING.
If you do not know what I am talking about, you don't need to come here, you
are simply the minority here. The majority of us likes to get or offer insp
iration from/to the race records, we are never jealous of each other, we jus
t get to learn how impressive our own bodies could be.
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 13 Take it easy, dude. If you don't want to see people's PRs, you can just
ignore them. If you don't get excited by breaking your PR, you don't have to
race, you don't have to run with a watch. It's totally understandable to
enjoy the pure joy of running.
But for people who feel a connection with this community, we could use
insipiration from fellow runners just like ourselves. We also share the joy
of achivement with each other. There is nothing wrong about it.
If you can't deal with the peer pressure in a positive way, it's your own
problem.
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
g***y
发帖数: 829 | 14 1.这是BBS,又不是记者发稿，弄那么缜密多累呀。另外林子大了自然会蹦出我这种鸟，
要平静对待
2.我post PR跟别人平时training pace没太大关系吧？
3.平时不受伤比赛受伤的人好像比例很低 |
e****n
发帖数: 4054 | 15 我觉得楼主的出发点很好，意思是让大家知道自己的limit在哪里，建立符合自身情况
的目标，不要盲目攀比，减少伤病等等。
不让大家post PR是不是釜底抽薪的方法呢?显然不是，这只是掩耳盗铃。不知道别人的
成绩就不会攀比了？？
真正的办法是，保持淡定。
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
N**G
发帖数: 392 | 16 我看到大家post PR就很淡定
你看，我连一次正式半马都没参加过
我猛然发现，我居然还有一个马甲。。。其实sleepingbag才是马甲。。以前专门用于
减肥的 |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 17 get the fuck out of here. that's all I have to say.
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 18 回复完毕。
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 看不懂！还是等王欢喜同学来回复你。
|
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 19 迫不及待揭露自己身份啊！
【在 N**G 的大作中提到】
: 我看到大家post PR就很淡定
: 你看，我连一次正式半马都没参加过
: 我猛然发现，我居然还有一个马甲。。。其实sleepingbag才是马甲。。以前专门用于
: 减肥的
|
N**G
发帖数: 392 | 20
我发现，我居然好长时间没用过这个ID了。。。
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 迫不及待揭露自己身份啊！
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 21 我觉得版内的hardcore都比以前更注意提醒大家怎样避免伤病，怎样从伤病恢复了
版上的趋势，我觉得现在比以前要重视身体的limit，注重科学训练
（也有可能我被洗脑了，hiahia~~）
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得楼主的出发点很好，意思是让大家知道自己的limit在哪里，建立符合自身情况
: 的目标，不要盲目攀比，减少伤病等等。
: 不让大家post PR是不是釜底抽薪的方法呢?显然不是，这只是掩耳盗铃。不知道别人的
: 成绩就不会攀比了？？
: 真正的办法是，保持淡定。
|
l*********i
发帖数: 164 | 22 有一点点道理，虽然总体结论不对，你太敏感了。
不过那些贴完成绩然后马上开始说太差了，没跑好，比不上谁谁之类的，看着确实比较烦
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
|
f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 23 都是成年人了，要对自己身体负责，莽撞的人不看别人的PR就不会莽撞了吗？
事实上新手基本都会过高估计自己的能力，看了别人的比赛报告才会知道原来比赛训练
过程中会出那么多的问题，自己才能够注意。
我在版上这几年看到想胡来给劝下来的比看了别人PR之后伤到自己的多得太多了，事实
上有看到别人PR以后受伤的人吗？谁来举个例子。
楼主对这里的情况不了解，想当然的就发这种很没有研究调查的文章，不是一种严谨的
治学态度。何况我觉得语句中透出的酸气，很不好，应该回去好好反省一下。
要知道自己的limit在那里，唯一的办法就是在训练比赛中接近它，感受它，用循序渐
进的方法慢慢去做。喜欢把跑步当作一种娱乐和维持体型方式的人，大可以放轻松，笑
看我们这些俗人去争所谓的limit，没关系的。何况我们这里从来都不会看不起娱乐性
跑步者，有任何的问题我们都很认真地回答了，不知道楼主到底在担心什么。
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得楼主的出发点很好，意思是让大家知道自己的limit在哪里，建立符合自身情况
: 的目标，不要盲目攀比，减少伤病等等。
: 不让大家post PR是不是釜底抽薪的方法呢?显然不是，这只是掩耳盗铃。不知道别人的
: 成绩就不会攀比了？？
: 真正的办法是，保持淡定。
|
i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 24 零工一定是希望多看到Y哥写的那种没有时间，没有pace，没有距离的跑步散文：
"这两天跑trail"
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Running/31374517.html
【在 g***y 的大作中提到】
: 1.这是BBS,又不是记者发稿，弄那么缜密多累呀。另外林子大了自然会蹦出我这种鸟，
: 要平静对待
: 2.我post PR跟别人平时training pace没太大关系吧？
: 3.平时不受伤比赛受伤的人好像比例很低
|
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 25 老大很诚恳！
偷偷说，我觉得lken属于被刺激的量上的太快的类型:p
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 都是成年人了，要对自己身体负责，莽撞的人不看别人的PR就不会莽撞了吗？
: 事实上新手基本都会过高估计自己的能力，看了别人的比赛报告才会知道原来比赛训练
: 过程中会出那么多的问题，自己才能够注意。
: 我在版上这几年看到想胡来给劝下来的比看了别人PR之后伤到自己的多得太多了，事实
: 上有看到别人PR以后受伤的人吗？谁来举个例子。
: 楼主对这里的情况不了解，想当然的就发这种很没有研究调查的文章，不是一种严谨的
: 治学态度。何况我觉得语句中透出的酸气，很不好，应该回去好好反省一下。
: 要知道自己的limit在那里，唯一的办法就是在训练比赛中接近它，感受它，用循序渐
: 进的方法慢慢去做。喜欢把跑步当作一种娱乐和维持体型方式的人，大可以放轻松，笑
: 看我们这些俗人去争所谓的limit，没关系的。何况我们这里从来都不会看不起娱乐性
|
f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 26 是啊，大家不是都在疏导他么？
还有睡袋弟，也大跃进太厉害了。
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 老大很诚恳！
: 偷偷说，我觉得lken属于被刺激的量上的太快的类型:p
|
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 27 可是睡袋弟不受伤耶！好嫉妒好嫉妒哦~~
感觉最初说是个金矿，还有不少质疑，一挖发现是个钻石矿，so far还没看清这个矿到
底有多富足！
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，大家不是都在疏导他么？
: 还有睡袋弟，也大跃进太厉害了。
|
i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 28 This I don't agree. My coach has told us the most important thing is to stay
injury-free. He's run over 50 marathons and has stayed injury-free for over
two decades. Once you are injured, oh well, you know that better than I do
'cause I haven't got any injury from running (yet). Touch wood!
any
these
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: It is good to get injured.
: Only after injured, one would understand and respect the long distance
: running.
: In my case, I have almost forgot the "good" days when I can walk without any
: knee pains. All kind of pains, inflammations all over the legs, knees let
: me taste the tough part of the training. But hey, I feel good with all these
: pains. No pain no gain, right?
|
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 29 这边跑短跑的厉老师也是一直保持injury free
你是属于被大家的record束缚，还没跑出自己实力的那类！:)
stay
over
do
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: This I don't agree. My coach has told us the most important thing is to stay
: injury-free. He's run over 50 marathons and has stayed injury-free for over
: two decades. Once you are injured, oh well, you know that better than I do
: 'cause I haven't got any injury from running (yet). Touch wood!
:
: any
: these
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 30 totally aglee..
stay
over
do
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: This I don't agree. My coach has told us the most important thing is to stay
: injury-free. He's run over 50 marathons and has stayed injury-free for over
: two decades. Once you are injured, oh well, you know that better than I do
: 'cause I haven't got any injury from running (yet). Touch wood!
:
: any
: these
|
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N**G
发帖数: 392 | 31 因为我很少去push自己去练什么100米跑
我老板强烈不推荐我去练100米，200米冲，呵呵，跑长的我也不冒进，自从有一次伤了
calf，大家说我跑快了，我就再没可以push自己过
而且我只要有空就stretch，我觉得这个十分管用：就是不论跑什么，反正只要是跑，
跑完马上，立即stretch,只要感觉有一点点紧，就stretch
我觉得AM上有个练习很管用，就是那个双腿举高，弯膝盖那个，据说可以使得组织液加
速循环，blabla |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 32 Surely everyone wants to stay injury free, but there is fine line between
hard training and overtraining. To avoid overtraining is the most difficult
part of distance running. Very often one gets injured when he feels that he
is at his strongest, not the weakest. Everybody gets injured. Haile
Gebrselassie and Sammy Wanjiru injured their knees. Bekele is injured and
hasn't been racing this season. Paula Radcliffe and Deena Kastor had stress
fractures. Ryan Hall injured his hamstring. Meb Keflezighi had hip stress
fracture. Even Abebe Bikila dropped out of his third Olympics marathon due
to injury. Basically, all top runners get injured at some point. It is just
a part of distance running that you have to deal with, and have to learn to
deal with.
stay
over
do
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: This I don't agree. My coach has told us the most important thing is to stay
: injury-free. He's run over 50 marathons and has stayed injury-free for over
: two decades. Once you are injured, oh well, you know that better than I do
: 'cause I haven't got any injury from running (yet). Touch wood!
:
: any
: these
|
N**G
发帖数: 392 | 33
stay
over
do
Yes, I think this is really important. My advisor told me that he never
got injured in running, he got injured only when he fight with others
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: This I don't agree. My coach has told us the most important thing is to stay
: injury-free. He's run over 50 marathons and has stayed injury-free for over
: two decades. Once you are injured, oh well, you know that better than I do
: 'cause I haven't got any injury from running (yet). Touch wood!
:
: any
: these
|
l**n
发帖数: 2405 | 34 I appreciate 大家疏导 :)
I stop whenever I don't feel comfortable.
For instance, I stopped few days last week due to sour XiaoTuiDuZi.
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，大家不是都在疏导他么？
: 还有睡袋弟，也大跃进太厉害了。
|
e****n
发帖数: 4054 | 35 说说为什么不推荐跑百米和二百米吧。
【在 N**G 的大作中提到】
: 因为我很少去push自己去练什么100米跑
: 我老板强烈不推荐我去练100米，200米冲，呵呵，跑长的我也不冒进，自从有一次伤了
: calf，大家说我跑快了，我就再没可以push自己过
: 而且我只要有空就stretch，我觉得这个十分管用：就是不论跑什么，反正只要是跑，
: 跑完马上，立即stretch,只要感觉有一点点紧，就stretch
: 我觉得AM上有个练习很管用，就是那个双腿举高，弯膝盖那个，据说可以使得组织液加
: 速循环，blabla
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l**n
发帖数: 2405 | 36 Be nice to ppl.
At least TempKO didn't say dirty words ya.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: get the fuck out of here. that's all I have to say.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 37 We are all adults here. If I want to insult a person, I won't be using just
dirty words.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: Be nice to ppl.
: At least TempKO didn't say dirty words ya.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 38 What is your point then? If a runner could not realize that everyone is made
genetically different and has different history, then why it is a fault of
someone else instead of him/herself by yying that he/she can run as fast as
someone can?
I do not think there is anything wrong to post your PR or PW here because I
know there are a lot of people who can run much faster than you do, and can run
in a level that we amateurs have no way to catch. So what? Should I stop
trying to run faster than I did? No.
Talking about PR here, tuoniao has the best marathon time so far and few of
us can run an even close time to his. But many of us may wonder if we can do
that well, and you would never know before you tried!
Someone is born to drive a Mercedes and I can only afford a VW now. Should I
just ask those guys to stop driving their Mercedes in order not to let me
feel bad?
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
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N**G
发帖数: 392 | 39
他说100米和200米是最后自己都无法handle速度的，他说：“You could,but not now,
I will
give you someday"
而且他说我是有discipline mind的人，说这类人最容易明明到极限了，还没发觉。比
如我早上跑，
他就说你就跑你觉得舒服的速度，不管它是快还是慢
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: 说说为什么不推荐跑百米和二百米吧。
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o**********7
发帖数: 242 | 40 说得很好，特别是第二点。
肯定原帖主也是好意，只不过语气读起来不是那么悦耳而已啦。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 1. 严肃的长跑选手都希望能越跑越快， 不管是职业还是业余的。。
: nothing wrong with that... 并不是只有奥林匹克选手才有资格跑步。
: 事实上任何人开始跑步的时候并不知道他/她是否有这个潜质。。
: 2. 健身跑和跑马拉松是两回事， 如果不经过训练就去乱跑比赛， 是
: 对自己和家人的不负责任。俺一直说长跑训练的就是耐心， 恒心， 平常心。
: 不要整天和别人比来比去。 长跑难不是难在一冲动就去报个名比赛， 而是
: 你能持之以恒的去坚持训练。。
: 3. accidents happened anywhere, 每天都有车祸， 就让大家都不
: 开车么？ 出了车祸， 大家更要学习的是要小心开车。 每年几十万美国
: 人跑马拉松， 不管跑快跑慢， 大家都能参与，并且乐在其中， 大家都
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e****n
发帖数: 4054 | 41 point是容易受伤？
【在 N**G 的大作中提到】
:
: 他说100米和200米是最后自己都无法handle速度的，他说：“You could,but not now,
: I will
: give you someday"
: 而且他说我是有discipline mind的人，说这类人最容易明明到极限了，还没发觉。比
: 如我早上跑，
: 他就说你就跑你觉得舒服的速度，不管它是快还是慢
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N**G
发帖数: 392 | 42
恩
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: point是容易受伤？
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 43 人家潜水观察多年，好不容易鼓足勇气发个贴，结果被王欢喜同学给赶跑了。LOL！
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: get the fuck out of here. that's all I have to say.
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l**n
发帖数: 2405 | 44 Cannot even afford a car de sadly floating by...
Can only afford running and biking.
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: What is your point then? If a runner could not realize that everyone is made
: genetically different and has different history, then why it is a fault of
: someone else instead of him/herself by yying that he/she can run as fast as
: someone can?
: I do not think there is anything wrong to post your PR or PW here because I
: know there are a lot of people who can run much faster than you do, and can run
: in a level that we amateurs have no way to catch. So what? Should I stop
: trying to run faster than I did? No.
: Talking about PR here, tuoniao has the best marathon time so far and few of
: us can run an even close time to his. But many of us may wonder if we can do
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e****n
发帖数: 4054 | 45 转200米精英eve阅：）
【在 N**G 的大作中提到】
:
: 恩
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 46 seriously man, in many running forums you see people posting articles with
their PRs as signatures. That's what I like. If you are good, I want to know
it and want to learn from you. What kind of pathetic person cannot stand
seeing other people's accomplishments?
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 人家潜水观察多年，好不容易鼓足勇气发个贴，结果被王欢喜同学给赶跑了。LOL！
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 47 科学训练，上宝典，皆欢喜。哈哈
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得版内的hardcore都比以前更注意提醒大家怎样避免伤病，怎样从伤病恢复了
: 版上的趋势，我觉得现在比以前要重视身体的limit，注重科学训练
: （也有可能我被洗脑了，hiahia~~）
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 48 经你一说，我才注意我弄一个三无文章，but，唯一有的是joy，最重要的。
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 零工一定是希望多看到Y哥写的那种没有时间，没有pace，没有距离的跑步散文：
: "这两天跑trail"
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Running/31374517.html
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e****n
发帖数: 4054 | 49 他不是因为看不得别人比他跑得好，而是怕有人因为看见大家都跑得如何快如何远就不
顾一切大跃进。其实这个担心虽然有必要，但是解决方案并不是闭着眼睛不看别人成绩
，而是在跑步中了解自己的身体，设立合理的目标和追求科学的训练方法，同时保持内
心淡定。
know
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: seriously man, in many running forums you see people posting articles with
: their PRs as signatures. That's what I like. If you are good, I want to know
: it and want to learn from you. What kind of pathetic person cannot stand
: seeing other people's accomplishments?
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 50 我是觉得楼主像个法官，所有的东西都要强加在别人的身上，这点比较可笑。
特别最后一句，marathon是group sports，要和人一起跑。。。。。。。
我就是个loner，我喜欢一个人训练，用自己的pace去比赛，难道这说明我有问题吗？
know
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: seriously man, in many running forums you see people posting articles with
: their PRs as signatures. That's what I like. If you are good, I want to know
: it and want to learn from you. What kind of pathetic person cannot stand
: seeing other people's accomplishments?
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 51 你不要和稀泥。
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: 他不是因为看不得别人比他跑得好，而是怕有人因为看见大家都跑得如何快如何远就不
: 顾一切大跃进。其实这个担心虽然有必要，但是解决方案并不是闭着眼睛不看别人成绩
: ，而是在跑步中了解自己的身体，设立合理的目标和追求科学的训练方法，同时保持内
: 心淡定。
:
: know
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r********r
发帖数: 2912 | 52 嗯，最后一句话是问题最大的一句....
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 我是觉得楼主像个法官，所有的东西都要强加在别人的身上，这点比较可笑。
: 特别最后一句，marathon是group sports，要和人一起跑。。。。。。。
: 我就是个loner，我喜欢一个人训练，用自己的pace去比赛，难道这说明我有问题吗？
:
: know
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 53 内心不蛋定，别人干啥也没用。
每天生活中看到别人比自己好的地方多了去了，难道让大家统统shut up然后消失？
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: 他不是因为看不得别人比他跑得好，而是怕有人因为看见大家都跑得如何快如何远就不
: 顾一切大跃进。其实这个担心虽然有必要，但是解决方案并不是闭着眼睛不看别人成绩
: ，而是在跑步中了解自己的身体，设立合理的目标和追求科学的训练方法，同时保持内
: 心淡定。
:
: know
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 54 Exactly!
But we aren't elite runners, I know I'm not one of them by any measure They
train 200% of their ability, we just need to train 90% to 100%. None of us
here will win Chicago, Boston, or New York. And we don't have to 'cause all
of us here make a living by doing something else other than running.
So, there's no need to get injured and sit on the sideline watching other
guys racing.
Oh, well, I know it's easier to say so than actually do it. I'm sure I'll
get my fair share of injuries once I start training for my marathon. When
that comes, I'll learn to deal with it just like what you said. But I'm
still hoping I don't have to deal with it. ;-)
difficult
he
stress
just
to
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Surely everyone wants to stay injury free, but there is fine line between
: hard training and overtraining. To avoid overtraining is the most difficult
: part of distance running. Very often one gets injured when he feels that he
: is at his strongest, not the weakest. Everybody gets injured. Haile
: Gebrselassie and Sammy Wanjiru injured their knees. Bekele is injured and
: hasn't been racing this season. Paula Radcliffe and Deena Kastor had stress
: fractures. Ryan Hall injured his hamstring. Meb Keflezighi had hip stress
: fracture. Even Abebe Bikila dropped out of his third Olympics marathon due
: to injury. Basically, all top runners get injured at some point. It is just
: a part of distance running that you have to deal with, and have to learn to
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l**n
发帖数: 2405 | 55 Sounds good to me, haha :P
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: 内心不蛋定，别人干啥也没用。
: 每天生活中看到别人比自己好的地方多了去了，难道让大家统统shut up然后消失？
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 56 LOL, the first sentence is not instantly understood...
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: Cannot even afford a car de sadly floating by...
: Can only afford running and biking.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 57 Adults make their own judgments and are responsible for their own judgments.
If one isn't mature enough to understand this, he probably shouldn't be
hanging out on the internet anyway, where all information is exposed.
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: 他不是因为看不得别人比他跑得好，而是怕有人因为看见大家都跑得如何快如何远就不
: 顾一切大跃进。其实这个担心虽然有必要，但是解决方案并不是闭着眼睛不看别人成绩
: ，而是在跑步中了解自己的身体，设立合理的目标和追求科学的训练方法，同时保持内
: 心淡定。
:
: know
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 58 你上我就跟着上。
know
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: seriously man, in many running forums you see people posting articles with
: their PRs as signatures. That's what I like. If you are good, I want to know
: it and want to learn from you. What kind of pathetic person cannot stand
: seeing other people's accomplishments?
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 59 是的。不管做什么，都要有joy，因为那才是最重要的。
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: 经你一说，我才注意我弄一个三无文章，but，唯一有的是joy，最重要的。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 60 Yes, but you see, the sub 3 marathon is my 4 minute mile.:)
They
all
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: Exactly!
: But we aren't elite runners, I know I'm not one of them by any measure They
: train 200% of their ability, we just need to train 90% to 100%. None of us
: here will win Chicago, Boston, or New York. And we don't have to 'cause all
: of us here make a living by doing something else other than running.
: So, there's no need to get injured and sit on the sideline watching other
: guys racing.
: Oh, well, I know it's easier to say so than actually do it. I'm sure I'll
: get my fair share of injuries once I start training for my marathon. When
: that comes, I'll learn to deal with it just like what you said. But I'm
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e****n
发帖数: 4054 | 61 好好好，我不说话了。不过本来就没什么大是大非嘛。
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 你不要和稀泥。
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 62 what's a "4 minute mile"?
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Yes, but you see, the sub 3 marathon is my 4 minute mile.:)
:
: They
: all
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 63 good discussion..
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 64 The 4 minute mile was the perfect mile, 1 minute per lap, once thought
impossible for human to achieve. Roger Bannister who ran the first sub 4
minute mile was knighted for this accomplishment. While today it is
routinely run by elite middle distance runners, it is still a mark for elite
speed. For instance, till today, there has been only three Americans who
have done it in high school: Jim Ryun, Alan Webb, and a third guy whose name
I forgot.
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: what's a "4 minute mile"?
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 65
calf, ok?
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: I appreciate 大家疏导 :)
: I stop whenever I don't feel comfortable.
: For instance, I stopped few days last week due to sour XiaoTuiDuZi.
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 66 Man! You are the encyclopedia of running!
elite
name
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The 4 minute mile was the perfect mile, 1 minute per lap, once thought
: impossible for human to achieve. Roger Bannister who ran the first sub 4
: minute mile was knighted for this accomplishment. While today it is
: routinely run by elite middle distance runners, it is still a mark for elite
: speed. For instance, till today, there has been only three Americans who
: have done it in high school: Jim Ryun, Alan Webb, and a third guy whose name
: I forgot.
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 67 你这用心良苦！想忽悠我像睡袋那样摆脱大家record的束缚？
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 这边跑短跑的厉老师也是一直保持injury free
: 你是属于被大家的record束缚，还没跑出自己实力的那类！:)
:
: stay
: over
: do
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 68 there is an elite mile run in Saint Louis in which a lot of fast runners are
participating. Watch the last year video.
http://www.bigriverrunning.com/FestivalofMiles/elitemile.php
Damn it. I did not know it until I left. Otherwise I would definitely watch
the race.
elite
name
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The 4 minute mile was the perfect mile, 1 minute per lap, once thought
: impossible for human to achieve. Roger Bannister who ran the first sub 4
: minute mile was knighted for this accomplishment. While today it is
: routinely run by elite middle distance runners, it is still a mark for elite
: speed. For instance, till today, there has been only three Americans who
: have done it in high school: Jim Ryun, Alan Webb, and a third guy whose name
: I forgot.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 69 welcome to running board~! What are you PRs?
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 70 that's a lot of affordability, depending on what bike you have. my bike is a
lot more expensive than my commute car.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: Cannot even afford a car de sadly floating by...
: Can only afford running and biking.
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 71 when it comes to running, I am absolutely a loner too. I enjoy the solitude
when I run. I have run with a group once, and it was fun, but it's just not
something I would long to do.
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 我是觉得楼主像个法官，所有的东西都要强加在别人的身上，这点比较可笑。
: 特别最后一句，marathon是group sports，要和人一起跑。。。。。。。
: 我就是个loner，我喜欢一个人训练，用自己的pace去比赛，难道这说明我有问题吗？
:
: know
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t********e
发帖数: 87 | 72 哈哈，老大太funny了
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: welcome to running board~! What are you PRs?
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 73 i enjoy both.. and group longrun seams easier...lazy me
solitude
not
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: when it comes to running, I am absolutely a loner too. I enjoy the solitude
: when I run. I have run with a group once, and it was fun, but it's just not
: something I would long to do.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 74 你的签名档真适合LZ。。
a
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: that's a lot of affordability, depending on what bike you have. my bike is a
: lot more expensive than my commute car.
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 75 难怪马克兄现在才发觉可以吼娃。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: good discussion..
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 76 还是要支持别人发表意见的权利嘛,只要不人参公鸡都没问题.
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 你不要和稀泥。
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h*b
发帖数: 1191 | 77 说的有道理，不过bso一下另一方面也可以激励自己同时激励别人，所以没什么不对，
如果光讨论伤痛就不好玩了
【在 T****O 的大作中提到】
: I understand the excitement you had when you saw your new and better
: record. But, posting it out here is probably a Wrong idea and
: definitely
: gives many readers and new runners an False impression, because it's
: implying that running faster is better in endurance races. It may be
: very
: true for professional athletes, or elite runners, those you see at the
: start line of a race. However, it's not for you! You should have
: realized that there are ALWAYS some people who run faster than you. And
: you are NOT getting in the Olympics any time soon.
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g****l
发帖数: 644 | |
m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 79 haha.说回来。如何看跑步，如何看比赛，完全是个人的世界观人生观的问题。
当然年轻人，容易冲动。
一般年纪大了，就想开了。
王欢喜能从4半小时的菜鸟。科学加苦练成BQ并且积极备战ultra.
webfish能两次折戟芝加哥，最后能一下漂亮复仇。
胖子能闲庭信步跑几年然后越跑越快。
他们能，你就能么？
答案是，可能，但是也未必能。
跑步以后，就知道自己有极限，也无极限。lol
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 难怪马克兄现在才发觉可以吼娃。
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T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 80 ok, it's a BAD title but some of the points TempKO made are good ones IMHO,
particularly for someone who is new to running. yes there are some great
advice for beginners stacked away somewhere, but those are not a new comer
gets exposed to first, it can take a while to figure where to find them.
it's hard to deny that there is a heavy dose of testosterone on this board -
everyone is setting up a new PR every week, and those who hasn't BQ'ed
already will do so in a matter of weeks. while it's great to feel the
enthusiasm, it inevitably puts unnecessary pressure on new runners. case in
point, someone had run a marathon but is reluctant to share race experience
b/c of "poor" finish time. while no one has set a limit for the "worthy
speed", only a couple of REALLY thick skinned IDs like me would have the
courage to share a slow time. look, it's just human nature, no one would
willingly embarrass themselves, even if it's just a perception (the fact is
that most regulars on this board are overwhelmingly supportive to runners of all levels
and capabilities).
so my advice to new comers is trying to ignore these BSO and rather focus on
other pleasant benefits running has bring to us, such as better handling of
day-to-day stress, maintaining or dropping weight, and meeting people that
share the passion and inspiration for running.
i often think i'm in a minority until i speak up. so if you dear to share
your experience, you can make the topics of this board more diverse and
benefit like minded runners. |
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 81 well said.
厚脸皮的还有我。
其实跑步的我觉得绝大多数都friendly得。
跑步版对待新人也一般都很nice.我很少见因为有人问低级问题被嘲笑。
而且nobody never ever got laughed or teased because of slow pace.
当然有人挑衅或者BSO反而曾经被有脾气的人一股子踢走的。
作为当初建议开版的老人(咳，容许偶卖个老..),我理解跑步的人也是各种各样的。
虽然跑步，但是也有不同的观点。
虽然大多数都想跑快跑长。但是少数人是要和别人比才跑的。
所以怎么跑，为什么跑，跑什么，也算很私人的事情。
只是，看到别人跑得心情心得，报告什么的，可以看到
理解自己的人，虽然那个人跑的速度/程度和你恨是不同。
so . take it easy.
,
-
in
experience
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: ok, it's a BAD title but some of the points TempKO made are good ones IMHO,
: particularly for someone who is new to running. yes there are some great
: advice for beginners stacked away somewhere, but those are not a new comer
: gets exposed to first, it can take a while to figure where to find them.
: it's hard to deny that there is a heavy dose of testosterone on this board -
: everyone is setting up a new PR every week, and those who hasn't BQ'ed
: already will do so in a matter of weeks. while it's great to feel the
: enthusiasm, it inevitably puts unnecessary pressure on new runners. case in
: point, someone had run a marathon but is reluctant to share race experience
: b/c of "poor" finish time. while no one has set a limit for the "worthy
|
v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 82 很同意你说的“怎么跑，为什么跑，跑什么，也算很私人的事情”
互相理解，互相尊重。跑多长，跑多快都没关系，都是好样的，呵呵。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: well said.
: 厚脸皮的还有我。
: 其实跑步的我觉得绝大多数都friendly得。
: 跑步版对待新人也一般都很nice.我很少见因为有人问低级问题被嘲笑。
: 而且nobody never ever got laughed or teased because of slow pace.
: 当然有人挑衅或者BSO反而曾经被有脾气的人一股子踢走的。
: 作为当初建议开版的老人(咳，容许偶卖个老..),我理解跑步的人也是各种各样的。
: 虽然跑步，但是也有不同的观点。
: 虽然大多数都想跑快跑长。但是少数人是要和别人比才跑的。
: 所以怎么跑，为什么跑，跑什么，也算很私人的事情。
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 83 周末就看你的啦。老公围观么?
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 很同意你说的“怎么跑，为什么跑，跑什么，也算很私人的事情”
: 互相理解，互相尊重。跑多长，跑多快都没关系，都是好样的，呵呵。
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 84 suppose我是去围观的那个。。。。一度计划换成半马的。不过现在看来慢慢跑全马应
该没问题。
LD估计会比我快个一小时左右，真可怜，得在寒风中冻一小时。。。。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 周末就看你的啦。老公围观么?
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 85 请参见变叔签名档
from 强风正劲：
“对长跑选手最好的称赞， 你认为是什么”
“不是快吗”
“我认为， 是坚强”
,
-
in
experience
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: ok, it's a BAD title but some of the points TempKO made are good ones IMHO,
: particularly for someone who is new to running. yes there are some great
: advice for beginners stacked away somewhere, but those are not a new comer
: gets exposed to first, it can take a while to figure where to find them.
: it's hard to deny that there is a heavy dose of testosterone on this board -
: everyone is setting up a new PR every week, and those who hasn't BQ'ed
: already will do so in a matter of weeks. while it's great to feel the
: enthusiasm, it inevitably puts unnecessary pressure on new runners. case in
: point, someone had run a marathon but is reluctant to share race experience
: b/c of "poor" finish time. while no one has set a limit for the "worthy
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 86 我也改了，以后就不用再跟这些自以为是跑步爱好者的人多费口舌了。
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 请参见变叔签名档
: from 强风正劲：
: “对长跑选手最好的称赞， 你认为是什么”
: “不是快吗”
: “我认为， 是坚强”
:
: ,
: -
: in
: experience
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 87 我觉得长跑和其他运动一样。到后来不只是physical.
而且精神。更重要的是智慧。不只是比赛。还有训练。。
IMHO...
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 请参见变叔签名档
: from 强风正劲：
: “对长跑选手最好的称赞， 你认为是什么”
: “不是快吗”
: “我认为， 是坚强”
:
: ,
: -
: in
: experience
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 88 I'm not sure how you got the idea that everyone is setting a PR every week.
Some people may see tonyprince's
3:02, but they missed his 80+ mpw training and his ultramarathon build up
for the entire year, and they
probably didn't know about his disappointing finish at NYC last year when he
cramped. Some see Billyidol and
PZ's BQ times at NYC, but they didn't know how many marathons they have run
previously with (relatively)
disappointing times. Good results are paid for. You can't only look at
people's PRs without looking at their
hard training over the years.
,
-
in
experience
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: ok, it's a BAD title but some of the points TempKO made are good ones IMHO,
: particularly for someone who is new to running. yes there are some great
: advice for beginners stacked away somewhere, but those are not a new comer
: gets exposed to first, it can take a while to figure where to find them.
: it's hard to deny that there is a heavy dose of testosterone on this board -
: everyone is setting up a new PR every week, and those who hasn't BQ'ed
: already will do so in a matter of weeks. while it's great to feel the
: enthusiasm, it inevitably puts unnecessary pressure on new runners. case in
: point, someone had run a marathon but is reluctant to share race experience
: b/c of "poor" finish time. while no one has set a limit for the "worthy
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 89 嗯，我觉得这里大部分跑友对跑步的看法都是像你说得那样成熟全面的。
不能理解跑步的竞争性，看到别人比自己快就认为别人在BSO，这样的人应该是少数。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得长跑和其他运动一样。到后来不只是physical.
: 而且精神。更重要的是智慧。不只是比赛。还有训练。。
: IMHO...
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 90 有我们这样厚脸皮的ID，才会给跑版不断带来新鲜血液。
我很proud我就是这样把eve给拉上贼船的。
成绩差了，确实有时候就懒得上来贴report了，这点我也要检讨自己（不过我好像基本
都很厚脸皮的写report了？）
可能因为跑得慢，所以会很少汇报自己的训练。
我和LD还有tony上周末一起跑了超慢的long run(recovery run)。我们是拿着相机跑的
，照了很多很给力也很有爱的照片，今晚有空发上来。
和我们一个style的runner估计是不少的，大部分潜水而已，大家也要常上来冒冒泡，
这样就不显得我们这几个ID“厚脸皮”了，呵呵。
,
-
in
experience
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: ok, it's a BAD title but some of the points TempKO made are good ones IMHO,
: particularly for someone who is new to running. yes there are some great
: advice for beginners stacked away somewhere, but those are not a new comer
: gets exposed to first, it can take a while to figure where to find them.
: it's hard to deny that there is a heavy dose of testosterone on this board -
: everyone is setting up a new PR every week, and those who hasn't BQ'ed
: already will do so in a matter of weeks. while it's great to feel the
: enthusiasm, it inevitably puts unnecessary pressure on new runners. case in
: point, someone had run a marathon but is reluctant to share race experience
: b/c of "poor" finish time. while no one has set a limit for the "worthy
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 91 tearing~~~
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 有我们这样厚脸皮的ID，才会给跑版不断带来新鲜血液。
: 我很proud我就是这样把eve给拉上贼船的。
: 成绩差了，确实有时候就懒得上来贴report了，这点我也要检讨自己（不过我好像基本
: 都很厚脸皮的写report了？）
: 可能因为跑得慢，所以会很少汇报自己的训练。
: 我和LD还有tony上周末一起跑了超慢的long run(recovery run)。我们是拿着相机跑的
: ，照了很多很给力也很有爱的照片，今晚有空发上来。
: 和我们一个style的runner估计是不少的，大部分潜水而已，大家也要常上来冒冒泡，
: 这样就不显得我们这几个ID“厚脸皮”了，呵呵。
:
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T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 92 i'm really glad that you pointed out even DA NIU MEN like tonyprince had
their own struggles. again, it's just human nature that most of us choose
not to share those struggles beyond a small circle of close friends, while
we have less inhibition sharing our successes. readers need to appreciate
the fact these successes come with lots of sweat and pain as well. the
experience of failure is just as valuable and i wish we were more open to that.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I'm not sure how you got the idea that everyone is setting a PR every week.
: Some people may see tonyprince's
: 3:02, but they missed his 80+ mpw training and his ultramarathon build up
: for the entire year, and they
: probably didn't know about his disappointing finish at NYC last year when he
: cramped. Some see Billyidol and
: PZ's BQ times at NYC, but they didn't know how many marathons they have run
: previously with (relatively)
: disappointing times. Good results are paid for. You can't only look at
: people's PRs without looking at their
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 93 share太多了被批评whining的飘过....
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: i'm really glad that you pointed out even DA NIU MEN like tonyprince had
: their own struggles. again, it's just human nature that most of us choose
: not to share those struggles beyond a small circle of close friends, while
: we have less inhibition sharing our successes. readers need to appreciate
: the fact these successes come with lots of sweat and pain as well. the
: experience of failure is just as valuable and i wish we were more open to that.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 94 Well, how many people here have DNF'ed a race? gzyxy, serendip and myself.
Can't think of anyone else. The
experience has been shared.:)
that.
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: i'm really glad that you pointed out even DA NIU MEN like tonyprince had
: their own struggles. again, it's just human nature that most of us choose
: not to share those struggles beyond a small circle of close friends, while
: we have less inhibition sharing our successes. readers need to appreciate
: the fact these successes come with lots of sweat and pain as well. the
: experience of failure is just as valuable and i wish we were more open to that.
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 95 I've never had a DNF yet. (BSO嫌疑？）
I'm not sure I'm prepared to have one either.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Well, how many people here have DNF'ed a race? gzyxy, serendip and myself.
: Can't think of anyone else. The
: experience has been shared.:)
:
: that.
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T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 96 i've read plenty of your good and BAD experience, and i've (hope) learned a
lot, very much appreciated.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Well, how many people here have DNF'ed a race? gzyxy, serendip and myself.
: Can't think of anyone else. The
: experience has been shared.:)
:
: that.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 97 Bill Rodgers didn't finish his first marathon. In fact, he dropped out of 8
marathons. But he won 22.
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】
: I've never had a DNF yet. (BSO嫌疑？）
: I'm not sure I'm prepared to have one either.
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 98 eve mm please continue sharing yours.
I know you are a passionate runner.
REAL runners will have a 开朗的心！
Keep on whining too. :) if they think it is.
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: share太多了被批评whining的飘过....
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w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 99 That's why he's a top-notch marathon runner.
In that sense, DNF is prepared for the winners.
I could not be a winner, so I tell everyone who asks
me "Did you win the race?". I reply. "everyone is a winner."
haha...
8
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Bill Rodgers didn't finish his first marathon. In fact, he dropped out of 8
: marathons. But he won 22.
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 100 你被批评过啊。。。。
脸皮再厚点就没事了，patpat
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: share太多了被批评whining的飘过....
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N**G
发帖数: 392 | |
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 102 批评是疼， 打是爱。
这样理解是否更恰当？
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 你被批评过啊。。。。
: 脸皮再厚点就没事了，patpat
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p********a
发帖数: 5352 | 103 这贴是不是老刑干的？我第一眼就发现有水漫金山的潜力 |
w*******e
发帖数: 2651 | 104 “是东子干的！” ... :)
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 这贴是不是老刑干的？我第一眼就发现有水漫金山的潜力
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 105 你的？
【在 g****l 的大作中提到】
: 这是个马甲吧
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 106 like I said, if you get frustrated just because your time and distance are
not on par with others, that is your problem, and it has nothing to do with
running. you just haven't matured. at the end of the day, we are all
competing against ourselves. peer pressure is good, but you need to take it
a positive way.
,
-
in
experience
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: ok, it's a BAD title but some of the points TempKO made are good ones IMHO,
: particularly for someone who is new to running. yes there are some great
: advice for beginners stacked away somewhere, but those are not a new comer
: gets exposed to first, it can take a while to figure where to find them.
: it's hard to deny that there is a heavy dose of testosterone on this board -
: everyone is setting up a new PR every week, and those who hasn't BQ'ed
: already will do so in a matter of weeks. while it's great to feel the
: enthusiasm, it inevitably puts unnecessary pressure on new runners. case in
: point, someone had run a marathon but is reluctant to share race experience
: b/c of "poor" finish time. while no one has set a limit for the "worthy
|
T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 107 i don't get frustrated about others speed unless that person is my runner
partner who "force" me to run at uncomfortable pace (which happened to me
sometimes when I run with others in my RC).
but i'm frustrated that i neither have the time nor body that can hold up
training volume over 30 mpw consistently (let along the 55 mpw AM plan).
what that tells me is either it would take many more years to be a
marathoner or marathon is simply not for me. i'd be at peace with both, but
wouldn't want to give up w/o a serious fight. along that long process, i'd
hope to inspire others w/ limited genetic potential just like me.
with
it
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: like I said, if you get frustrated just because your time and distance are
: not on par with others, that is your problem, and it has nothing to do with
: running. you just haven't matured. at the end of the day, we are all
: competing against ourselves. peer pressure is good, but you need to take it
: a positive way.
:
: ,
: -
: in
: experience
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b********k
发帖数: 427 | 108 ekiden说的好
【在 e****n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得楼主的出发点很好，意思是让大家知道自己的limit在哪里，建立符合自身情况
: 的目标，不要盲目攀比，减少伤病等等。
: 不让大家post PR是不是釜底抽薪的方法呢?显然不是，这只是掩耳盗铃。不知道别人的
: 成绩就不会攀比了？？
: 真正的办法是，保持淡定。
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 109 sorry, when I say "you", it's just a general reference, not necessarily you
but
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: i don't get frustrated about others speed unless that person is my runner
: partner who "force" me to run at uncomfortable pace (which happened to me
: sometimes when I run with others in my RC).
: but i'm frustrated that i neither have the time nor body that can hold up
: training volume over 30 mpw consistently (let along the 55 mpw AM plan).
: what that tells me is either it would take many more years to be a
: marathoner or marathon is simply not for me. i'd be at peace with both, but
: wouldn't want to give up w/o a serious fight. along that long process, i'd
: hope to inspire others w/ limited genetic potential just like me.
:
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b********k
发帖数: 427 | 110 有道理
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 都是成年人了，要对自己身体负责，莽撞的人不看别人的PR就不会莽撞了吗？
: 事实上新手基本都会过高估计自己的能力，看了别人的比赛报告才会知道原来比赛训练
: 过程中会出那么多的问题，自己才能够注意。
: 我在版上这几年看到想胡来给劝下来的比看了别人PR之后伤到自己的多得太多了，事实
: 上有看到别人PR以后受伤的人吗？谁来举个例子。
: 楼主对这里的情况不了解，想当然的就发这种很没有研究调查的文章，不是一种严谨的
: 治学态度。何况我觉得语句中透出的酸气，很不好，应该回去好好反省一下。
: 要知道自己的limit在那里，唯一的办法就是在训练比赛中接近它，感受它，用循序渐
: 进的方法慢慢去做。喜欢把跑步当作一种娱乐和维持体型方式的人，大可以放轻松，笑
: 看我们这些俗人去争所谓的limit，没关系的。何况我们这里从来都不会看不起娱乐性
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 111 and talk about limited genetic potential, I am with you. I only run at a
moderate pace and moderate distance, and I am quite happy with the fact that
I am running, although I do want to run faster and long and I would make
effort.
but
【在 T****a 的大作中提到】
: i don't get frustrated about others speed unless that person is my runner
: partner who "force" me to run at uncomfortable pace (which happened to me
: sometimes when I run with others in my RC).
: but i'm frustrated that i neither have the time nor body that can hold up
: training volume over 30 mpw consistently (let along the 55 mpw AM plan).
: what that tells me is either it would take many more years to be a
: marathoner or marathon is simply not for me. i'd be at peace with both, but
: wouldn't want to give up w/o a serious fight. along that long process, i'd
: hope to inspire others w/ limited genetic potential just like me.
:
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T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 112 no worry, i got that :D
you
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: sorry, when I say "you", it's just a general reference, not necessarily you
:
: but
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c****n
发帖数: 468 | 113 有人说，跑步是宗教！每个人有自己的宗教。
和其他宗教一样，爱跑步的人也或多或少会去影响别人，拉人“下水”。 |
c****n
发帖数: 468 | 114 我感觉LZ自己有一定的跑步/马拉松经验，倒不一定反感看到别人的PR，这个帖子是出
于爱好新手有感而发的，呵呵 |
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 115 大一比方， 一老大爷控制不住好奇， 非要到人家家里看毛片，
结果心脏病爆发而亡。 家人怒了， 说你们为啥要在家看毛片！！
不想跑的， 不敢跑的， 没空跑的， 就不要跑， 没人拉着你跑，
就好像没人赶着你到跑版来偷窥。。。
莫名其妙 |
f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 116 变变难得这么有理啊。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 大一比方， 一老大爷控制不住好奇， 非要到人家家里看毛片，
: 结果心脏病爆发而亡。 家人怒了， 说你们为啥要在家看毛片！！
: 不想跑的， 不敢跑的， 没空跑的， 就不要跑， 没人拉着你跑，
: 就好像没人赶着你到跑版来偷窥。。。
: 莫名其妙
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 117 靠， 剽窃我的QMD， 版权费10包子。。
【在 f*******d 的大作中提到】
: 变变难得这么有理啊。
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 118 借用一下，算你面上有光。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 靠， 剽窃我的QMD， 版权费10包子。。
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T****a
发帖数: 4651 | 119 lol, not sure it's an appropriate analogy, runners got nothing to hide :D
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 大一比方， 一老大爷控制不住好奇， 非要到人家家里看毛片，
: 结果心脏病爆发而亡。 家人怒了， 说你们为啥要在家看毛片！！
: 不想跑的， 不敢跑的， 没空跑的， 就不要跑， 没人拉着你跑，
: 就好像没人赶着你到跑版来偷窥。。。
: 莫名其妙
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l*********i
发帖数: 164 | 120 那楼主的论点就是，看毛片当然是人越多越好，老大爷也欢迎，小朋友也欢迎，可是一
些壮男们老是边看边说，看我多大，看我多持久，然后人家不敢来，就达不到聚众看片
的目的了？
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 大一比方， 一老大爷控制不住好奇， 非要到人家家里看毛片，
: 结果心脏病爆发而亡。 家人怒了， 说你们为啥要在家看毛片！！
: 不想跑的， 不敢跑的， 没空跑的， 就不要跑， 没人拉着你跑，
: 就好像没人赶着你到跑版来偷窥。。。
: 莫名其妙
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N**G
发帖数: 392 | 121
good point
【在 l*********i 的大作中提到】
: 那楼主的论点就是，看毛片当然是人越多越好，老大爷也欢迎，小朋友也欢迎，可是一
: 些壮男们老是边看边说，看我多大，看我多持久，然后人家不敢来，就达不到聚众看片
: 的目的了？
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 122 得， 一提毛片， 同志们都来了。。。
【在 l*********i 的大作中提到】
: 那楼主的论点就是，看毛片当然是人越多越好，老大爷也欢迎，小朋友也欢迎，可是一
: 些壮男们老是边看边说，看我多大，看我多持久，然后人家不敢来，就达不到聚众看片
: 的目的了？
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l*********i
发帖数: 164 | 123 可是我没有point，只是依照那个analogy翻译一下，纯粹搞笑
【在 N**G 的大作中提到】
:
: good point
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 124 究竟是看毛片还是演毛片?
你的小学语文没过关，赶紧回去学一下。
【在 l*********i 的大作中提到】
: 那楼主的论点就是，看毛片当然是人越多越好，老大爷也欢迎，小朋友也欢迎，可是一
: 些壮男们老是边看边说，看我多大，看我多持久，然后人家不敢来，就达不到聚众看片
: 的目的了？
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b*********a
发帖数: 1145 | 125 老大爷我心脏病死了多少次了，从没埋怨过别人
自己受伤是自己的事，怪别人跑得快就没天理了
看到别人跑得多跑得快我也想跑多点快点，但不是因为我觉得我跑慢就给人看不起，因
为我知道跑多跑快的感觉很好。楼主自己喜欢judge 别人，所以也觉得自己跑不快会被
人judge
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 大一比方， 一老大爷控制不住好奇， 非要到人家家里看毛片，
: 结果心脏病爆发而亡。 家人怒了， 说你们为啥要在家看毛片！！
: 不想跑的， 不敢跑的， 没空跑的， 就不要跑， 没人拉着你跑，
: 就好像没人赶着你到跑版来偷窥。。。
: 莫名其妙
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 126 小变，把跑步跟看毛片放一块儿比是对runners的侮辱。
等王欢喜同学来教育你。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 大一比方， 一老大爷控制不住好奇， 非要到人家家里看毛片，
: 结果心脏病爆发而亡。 家人怒了， 说你们为啥要在家看毛片！！
: 不想跑的， 不敢跑的， 没空跑的， 就不要跑， 没人拉着你跑，
: 就好像没人赶着你到跑版来偷窥。。。
: 莫名其妙
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 127 我十年前就DNF过了。Bragging rights! LOL!
不过那是山地车比赛。第一次比赛，可选25公里或50公里，我不知天高地厚，直接上了
50公里，结果30公里左右
就hit the wall，哈哈哈！
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Well, how many people here have DNF'ed a race? gzyxy, serendip and myself.
: Can't think of anyone else. The
: experience has been shared.:)
:
: that.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 128 Indeed, it is not an appropriate analogy. Should replace "porn" by "orgy".
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 小变，把跑步跟看毛片放一块儿比是对runners的侮辱。
: 等王欢喜同学来教育你。
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f*******d
发帖数: 12693 | 129 强。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Indeed, it is not an appropriate analogy. Should replace "porn" by "orgy".
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 130 铁人兄，你不知道王喜欢的故事吧，王铁人在我们C版群众的撺掇下心血来潮报了一把
70.3，练了俩月，骑着租来的自行车，就搞了个5小时20分的成绩。 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 131 知道，知道。花会长给我宣传过王欢喜70.3的英雄事迹，钦佩不已！王欢喜和花会长在
我心中是同等的高大！
但我还真不知道他是被C版的同学们给忽悠去的。咋们是不是可以再努努力忽悠他也去
整个全铁？
【在 h******2 的大作中提到】
: 铁人兄，你不知道王喜欢的故事吧，王铁人在我们C版群众的撺掇下心血来潮报了一把
: 70.3，练了俩月，骑着租来的自行车，就搞了个5小时20分的成绩。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 132 正是被横眉忽悠去的。本来是打算训练马拉松12周，结果受横眉的70.3鼓舞，前7周就
用来练70.3了。当时膝伤恢复不久，不敢上high mileage, 正好多做cross training.
车本来只想租，后来被车店老板忽悠着就买了。全铁现在实在是没时间准备，以后有机
会再练。
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 知道，知道。花会长给我宣传过王欢喜70.3的英雄事迹，钦佩不已！王欢喜和花会长在
: 我心中是同等的高大！
: 但我还真不知道他是被C版的同学们给忽悠去的。咋们是不是可以再努努力忽悠他也去
: 整个全铁？
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 133 嘿嘿！等你明年LT100结束后就可以考虑全铁了。比起LT100，全铁还不是小菜一碟？
.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: 正是被横眉忽悠去的。本来是打算训练马拉松12周，结果受横眉的70.3鼓舞，前7周就
: 用来练70.3了。当时膝伤恢复不久，不敢上high mileage, 正好多做cross training.
: 车本来只想租，后来被车店老板忽悠着就买了。全铁现在实在是没时间准备，以后有机
: 会再练。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 134 LT100 will be a fight for survival. For the ironman, I'd want a good
performance.
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 嘿嘿！等你明年LT100结束后就可以考虑全铁了。比起LT100，全铁还不是小菜一碟？
:
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 135 I will probably not think about ironman until I am over 40.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: LT100 will be a fight for survival. For the ironman, I'd want a good
: performance.
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 136 My goal is to do a full Ironman before I turn 40.
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: I will probably not think about ironman until I am over 40.
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c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 137 Your goal sounds cooler-:)
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: My goal is to do a full Ironman before I turn 40.
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j*****i
发帖数: 519 | |
h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 139 dude you can do a full IM any time, why wait until 40??
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: My goal is to do a full Ironman before I turn 40.
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w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 140 铁人现在游泳是软肋， 练好游泳肯定就没问题了。 |
