n******6
发帖数: 1829 | 1 如果你能进msr做Researcher的话。Msr给钱相当慷慨。决不比去Google少 |
n******6
发帖数: 1829 | 2 MSR很轻松，和当年的IBM,BELL lab差不的。不像狗狗那么拼命。 只不过很少有人有这
个运气进去罢了。
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 如果你能进msr做Researcher的话。Msr给钱相当慷慨。决不比去Google少
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j***e
发帖数: 2428 | 3 虾扯蛋
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 如果你能进msr做Researcher的话。Msr给钱相当慷慨。决不比去Google少
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d***8
发帖数: 1552 | 4 其实微软比google的好处,
就是微软工作轻松.
别抬杠.
微软也有累的组
但是大部分还是挺轻松的.
比google轻松多了. |
I**4
发帖数: 172 | 5 MSR Researcher level is 63-64,
less than the rumor level (150K) in google
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 如果你能进msr做Researcher的话。Msr给钱相当慷慨。决不比去Google少
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r*****g
发帖数: 9999 | 6 去msr就是开始的level高点，跟同level的其他部门比工资搞不到哪去。
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 如果你能进msr做Researcher的话。Msr给钱相当慷慨。决不比去Google少
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n******6
发帖数: 1829 | 7 64已经是principal了，回国直接拿全球pay的那种。
还有MSR及其舒服，我认识一个狗狗的就说，人生最大的憾事就是去不了MSR
【在 I**4 的大作中提到】
: MSR Researcher level is 63-64,
: less than the rumor level (150K) in google
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d***8
发帖数: 1552 | 8 你肯定不是微软的
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 64已经是principal了，回国直接拿全球pay的那种。
: 还有MSR及其舒服，我认识一个狗狗的就说，人生最大的憾事就是去不了MSR
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w****t
发帖数: 1237 | 9 还有msr的人跳到狗狗的。。。
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 64已经是principal了，回国直接拿全球pay的那种。
: 还有MSR及其舒服，我认识一个狗狗的就说，人生最大的憾事就是去不了MSR
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f******n
发帖数: 198 | 10 Principal是65，Expat曾经只要65，现在要66了，因为65太多了。这两年title通货膨
胀，估计再过两年就要67才能global pay了。
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 64已经是principal了，回国直接拿全球pay的那种。
: 还有MSR及其舒服，我认识一个狗狗的就说，人生最大的憾事就是去不了MSR
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n******6
发帖数: 1829 | 11 每次看到归功讨论狗狗如何如何我就想笑，和微软比起来差远了。硅工可能都是苦孩子
出身，没见过享福的工作。
【在 f******n 的大作中提到】
: Principal是65，Expat曾经只要65，现在要66了，因为65太多了。这两年title通货膨
: 胀，估计再过两年就要67才能global pay了。
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d***8
发帖数: 1552 | 12 微软的很多人每天上午10:30上班,下午4点下班,
中间中午吃饭1钟头,午睡半小时,上网俩钟头..
每天真正干活绝对不超过俩钟头..
挣10-14万.
其实挺享福的. 真的.
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 每次看到归功讨论狗狗如何如何我就想笑，和微软比起来差远了。硅工可能都是苦孩子
: 出身，没见过享福的工作。
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z******i
发帖数: 19 | 13 goog, you go to work 12:30, eat lunch, work 2 hours, play 2 hours, eat
dinner, go, and still make 20W
【在 d***8 的大作中提到】
: 微软的很多人每天上午10:30上班,下午4点下班,
: 中间中午吃饭1钟头,午睡半小时,上网俩钟头..
: 每天真正干活绝对不超过俩钟头..
: 挣10-14万.
: 其实挺享福的. 真的.
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a**n
发帖数: 2431 | 14 是
每天工作12小时赚 20万
还不如每天实际工作4小时赚10万
何况，税后20万也没有比10万多出那么多
【在 d***8 的大作中提到】
: 微软的很多人每天上午10:30上班,下午4点下班,
: 中间中午吃饭1钟头,午睡半小时,上网俩钟头..
: 每天真正干活绝对不超过俩钟头..
: 挣10-14万.
: 其实挺享福的. 真的.
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a**n
发帖数: 2431 | 15 This is very untrue
vely vely unteru
【在 z******i 的大作中提到】
: goog, you go to work 12:30, eat lunch, work 2 hours, play 2 hours, eat
: dinner, go, and still make 20W
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O*********e
发帖数: 668 | 16 hehe, 信口开河，贻笑大方
【在 z******i 的大作中提到】
: goog, you go to work 12:30, eat lunch, work 2 hours, play 2 hours, eat
: dinner, go, and still make 20W
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W**i
发帖数: 447 | 17 一直很好奇MSR做出过什么东东。有人能科普一下不？ |
W**i
发帖数: 447 | 18 我们组天天加班，周末也常来。既没有bing的12%也没有WP组的10%。真悲摧啊。
【在 d***8 的大作中提到】
: 微软的很多人每天上午10:30上班,下午4点下班,
: 中间中午吃饭1钟头,午睡半小时,上网俩钟头..
: 每天真正干活绝对不超过俩钟头..
: 挣10-14万.
: 其实挺享福的. 真的.
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Q*K
发帖数: 3464 | 19 just vote with your feet
【在 W**i 的大作中提到】
: 我们组天天加班，周末也常来。既没有bing的12%也没有WP组的10%。真悲摧啊。
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w*****i
发帖数: 133 | 20 羡慕。
【在 d***8 的大作中提到】
: 微软的很多人每天上午10:30上班,下午4点下班,
: 中间中午吃饭1钟头,午睡半小时,上网俩钟头..
: 每天真正干活绝对不超过俩钟头..
: 挣10-14万.
: 其实挺享福的. 真的.
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r***n
发帖数: 496 | 21 真的假的?
【在 z******i 的大作中提到】
: goog, you go to work 12:30, eat lunch, work 2 hours, play 2 hours, eat
: dinner, go, and still make 20W
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n******6
发帖数: 1829 | 22 换组吧
【在 W**i 的大作中提到】
: 我们组天天加班，周末也常来。既没有bing的12%也没有WP组的10%。真悲摧啊。
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s*o
发帖数: 257 | 23 researcher这么小众的职业不太稳定唉，观intel labs解体有感。
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 如果你能进msr做Researcher的话。Msr给钱相当慷慨。决不比去Google少
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S*******h
发帖数: 7021 | 24 Confirmed. Bing raised 12% base salary is a rumor.
【在 W**i 的大作中提到】
: 我们组天天加班，周末也常来。既没有bing的12%也没有WP组的10%。真悲摧啊。
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a**n
发帖数: 2431 | 25 intel lab不是好好在的么，啥时候解体了？
不过我同意，researcher要不是faculty，就得有点真本事，不能只会写paper，否则不
好换饭碗
【在 s*o 的大作中提到】
: researcher这么小众的职业不太稳定唉，观intel labs解体有感。
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b*****u
发帖数: 1556 | 26 怪不得养那么大个研究机构，msft还是“me2”公司。
【在 n******6 的大作中提到】
: 64已经是principal了，回国直接拿全球pay的那种。
: 还有MSR及其舒服，我认识一个狗狗的就说，人生最大的憾事就是去不了MSR
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b*****u
发帖数: 1556 | 27 用脚指头想想
【在 r***n 的大作中提到】
: 真的假的?
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s******g
发帖数: 755 | 28 呵呵。。
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: 怪不得养那么大个研究机构，msft还是“me2”公司。
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X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 29 什么意思
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: 怪不得养那么大个研究机构，msft还是“me2”公司。
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g********e
发帖数: 1142 | 30 The way MS organizes researchers & research scientist may have some problems
. Any real products or even product research ideas come from that devision?
I couldn't imagine the kernel tech of kinects, the real time depth map
generation and analyzing technique, is from another company, not from
microsoft research. See how many siggraph and vision papers they
have watered per year?? |
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d********a
发帖数: 6 | 31 MSR's strategy is focusing on academic impact instead of product impact,
especially for young researchers.
Also a clarification, L63-L65 are called researcher, L66 is senior
researcher, and L67-L69 are principal researcher. You need to transform to "
Distinguished Engineer" to be L70. Researcher has a different job ladder
than Software Engineers, where L63-L64 are called Senior Software Engineer,
L65-L67 are called principal Software Engineer, and >L68 are called Partner
Software Engineer if you keep in IC role.
Once MS had built Live Labs Research to have a team of researchers, research
engineers, and engineers there to have more product impact. But obviously
both MSR and other product teams do not like its existence because the world
is bi-polar and it pissed off both side. That's why they totally dismissed
Live Labs in 2009 and 2010.
This is 100% correct information.
problems
【在 g********e 的大作中提到】
: The way MS organizes researchers & research scientist may have some problems
: . Any real products or even product research ideas come from that devision?
: I couldn't imagine the kernel tech of kinects, the real time depth map
: generation and analyzing technique, is from another company, not from
: microsoft research. See how many siggraph and vision papers they
: have watered per year??
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | |
X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 33 nice info！
"
,
Partner
research
【在 d********a 的大作中提到】
: MSR's strategy is focusing on academic impact instead of product impact,
: especially for young researchers.
: Also a clarification, L63-L65 are called researcher, L66 is senior
: researcher, and L67-L69 are principal researcher. You need to transform to "
: Distinguished Engineer" to be L70. Researcher has a different job ladder
: than Software Engineers, where L63-L64 are called Senior Software Engineer,
: L65-L67 are called principal Software Engineer, and >L68 are called Partner
: Software Engineer if you keep in IC role.
: Once MS had built Live Labs Research to have a team of researchers, research
: engineers, and engineers there to have more product impact. But obviously
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g********e
发帖数: 1142 | 34
~~~~~~
No company associated research institutes only focus purely on academia.
They all take charge of innovating
the companies' future, otherwise shareholders will argue about why spending
such big money on a NPO-like
thing every year.
"
~~~~~
I think this title tells something about what things should be like in MSR.
Researcher has a different job ladder
,
Partner
research
【在 d********a 的大作中提到】
: MSR's strategy is focusing on academic impact instead of product impact,
: especially for young researchers.
: Also a clarification, L63-L65 are called researcher, L66 is senior
: researcher, and L67-L69 are principal researcher. You need to transform to "
: Distinguished Engineer" to be L70. Researcher has a different job ladder
: than Software Engineers, where L63-L64 are called Senior Software Engineer,
: L65-L67 are called principal Software Engineer, and >L68 are called Partner
: Software Engineer if you keep in IC role.
: Once MS had built Live Labs Research to have a team of researchers, research
: engineers, and engineers there to have more product impact. But obviously
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d********a
发帖数: 6 | 35 I am not going to argue with you. Of course product impact is valued during
evaluation for MSR researchers. But their first priority is still academic
impact. If you don't believe it, ask Rick Rashid this question.
spending
.
【在 g********e 的大作中提到】
:
: ~~~~~~
: No company associated research institutes only focus purely on academia.
: They all take charge of innovating
: the companies' future, otherwise shareholders will argue about why spending
: such big money on a NPO-like
: thing every year.
: "
: ~~~~~
: I think this title tells something about what things should be like in MSR.
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X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 36 可是很curious
MSR为什么要care academic impact
during
【在 d********a 的大作中提到】
: I am not going to argue with you. Of course product impact is valued during
: evaluation for MSR researchers. But their first priority is still academic
: impact. If you don't believe it, ask Rick Rashid this question.
:
: spending
: .
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