f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 1/2NL.
short handed game, 67o limped in MP.
flopped nuts straight, 5c8s9s. loose bettor put in $10, decided to catch him
big and just called. suddenly button, old guy (fred), raised a big amount
for such a small pot (+$60). well, he's a little drunk and stubborn (lost
his AA to obvious set Qs in a previous hand for $300). for him making such a
move, he must have a set or top two pair(not very likely). bettor folded in
a puzzle, but i knew i was in trouble.
he got $600 behind, i only bought in sh | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 2 speechless
him
a
in
about
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 1/2NL.
: short handed game, 67o limped in MP.
: flopped nuts straight, 5c8s9s. loose bettor put in $10, decided to catch him
: big and just called. suddenly button, old guy (fred), raised a big amount
: for such a small pot (+$60). well, he's a little drunk and stubborn (lost
: his AA to obvious set Qs in a previous hand for $300). for him making such a
: move, he must have a set or top two pair(not very likely). bettor folded in
: a puzzle, but i knew i was in trouble.
: he got $600 behind, i only bought in sh
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 you mean bad/good fold?
he did shake his head and said he flopped a set. he realized he bet too much
in that hand one hour later when he talked to another lady.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: speechless
:
: him
: a
: in
: about
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 4 I think you should get money in on the flop. as much as you can.
much
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: you mean bad/good fold?
: he did shake his head and said he flopped a set. he realized he bet too much
: in that hand one hour later when he talked to another lady.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 5 fold is ok if you trust your read.
but not raising the flop is horrible imo.
much
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: you mean bad/good fold?
: he did shake his head and said he flopped a set. he realized he bet too much
: in that hand one hour later when he talked to another lady.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 i agree in normal situations, i should raise here. but this hand is about
playing specific ppl, and that's why i want to post here.
1) my main target was the loose bettor, i knew he got nothing for me to
worry about, even there's a possible flush draw out there. he liked to bet
out $10 without position, i was more than happy to slow play him, and didn't
want to scare anybody behind me too.
2) for the old guy (he's a regular), 90% of time or for 90% ppl, all-in with
my straight was the RIGHT stra
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: I think you should get money in on the flop. as much as you can.
:
: much
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 7 I understand your reasoning behind this. But, if you read him wrong, you
made a wrong lay down and it would be a HUGE mistake. Can you trust your
read that much?
't
with
his
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i agree in normal situations, i should raise here. but this hand is about
: playing specific ppl, and that's why i want to post here.
: 1) my main target was the loose bettor, i knew he got nothing for me to
: worry about, even there's a possible flush draw out there. he liked to bet
: out $10 without position, i was more than happy to slow play him, and didn't
: want to scare anybody behind me too.
: 2) for the old guy (he's a regular), 90% of time or for 90% ppl, all-in with
: my straight was the RIGHT stra
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 for this hand, i guess i was right because he was very disappointed (well,
he still could fake it, hehe). after i called his $60, we both knew what the
other one had, he was just too excited to push me all-in, like i said, 90%
ppl would not care the last $120 and fold a made straight.
watched his play all night later, he's not a bluffer but really a stubborn
one.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: I understand your reasoning behind this. But, if you read him wrong, you
: made a wrong lay down and it would be a HUGE mistake. Can you trust your
: read that much?
:
: 't
: with
: his
| s**h
发帖数: 262 | 9 you played the hand well, you know your opponent,
and more importantly, controlled the pot size under right situation. It's
better to push on the turn, if the turn is no help to him.
I will go to AC tomorrow. How's your WSOP at Harrahs?
the
%
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: for this hand, i guess i was right because he was very disappointed (well,
: he still could fake it, hehe). after i called his $60, we both knew what the
: other one had, he was just too excited to push me all-in, like i said, 90%
: ppl would not care the last $120 and fold a made straight.
: watched his play all night later, he's not a bluffer but really a stubborn
: one.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 i was wondering where you were... hehe, free rooms at cesears weenend.
i didn't go, $330 is too much, with my recent sucking play...
i'll go this weenend to ballys (free rooms fri., sat.), you there?
i got free ones at showboat next weenend too.
【在 s**h 的大作中提到】
: you played the hand well, you know your opponent,
: and more importantly, controlled the pot size under right situation. It's
: better to push on the turn, if the turn is no help to him.
: I will go to AC tomorrow. How's your WSOP at Harrahs?
:
: the
: %
| | | k******t
发帖数: 257 | 11 I think you missed one possibity here. He could have same hand or even 6s7s
and would not behave any different. There is an example in Doyle's Super
system
pushing nut flop straight out when board pairs with same hand.
't
with
his
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i agree in normal situations, i should raise here. but this hand is about
: playing specific ppl, and that's why i want to post here.
: 1) my main target was the loose bettor, i knew he got nothing for me to
: worry about, even there's a possible flush draw out there. he liked to bet
: out $10 without position, i was more than happy to slow play him, and didn't
: want to scare anybody behind me too.
: 2) for the old guy (he's a regular), 90% of time or for 90% ppl, all-in with
: my straight was the RIGHT stra
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 yeah, that's one possibility too, but since he said he flopped a set, i tend
to believe him.
6s7s
【在 k******t 的大作中提到】
: I think you missed one possibity here. He could have same hand or even 6s7s
: and would not behave any different. There is an example in Doyle's Super
: system
: pushing nut flop straight out when board pairs with same hand.
:
: 't
: with
: his
| p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 13 I still think it's a big mistake not to pushing all in on the flop. Your
reasoning basically based on your read that he hit a set. But how sure is
your read? Are you sure he could only raise the flop with a set? Not a made
straight, not bottom two pairs, not an overpair, or not a pair and a flush
draw, not a gutshut and flush draw, not open-ended str8 flush draw? What I mean is you can't be 100% sure about your read, why don't you push all in when you know you are way ahead(you were only behind
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: yeah, that's one possibility too, but since he said he flopped a set, i tend
: to believe him.
:
: 6s7s
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 (i could always be wrong)but my read was more on his style.
1) over pair not very likely, with his $60 over bet for a $20 pot and no pre
-flop bet. i watched quite a few hands before and after when he hit over
pair, he's not that aggressive;
2) if he only got two bottom pair, it's possbile he made such a move with
possible flush draw/made straight on the flop, and two players.
3) if he hit top pair (9) + middle or bottom pair, then that turn would kill
me for sure;
4) if he hit a set (most likel
【在 p*****l 的大作中提到】
: I still think it's a big mistake not to pushing all in on the flop. Your
: reasoning basically based on your read that he hit a set. But how sure is
: your read? Are you sure he could only raise the flop with a set? Not a made
: straight, not bottom two pairs, not an overpair, or not a pair and a flush
: draw, not a gutshut and flush draw, not open-ended str8 flush draw? What I mean is you can't be 100% sure about your read, why don't you push all in when you know you are way ahead(you were only behind
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 15 if a flush card or a straight card comes, he may not call your allin bet I
guess.
pre
kill
even
his
more
is
flush
I
a
and
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: (i could always be wrong)but my read was more on his style.
: 1) over pair not very likely, with his $60 over bet for a $20 pot and no pre
: -flop bet. i watched quite a few hands before and after when he hit over
: pair, he's not that aggressive;
: 2) if he only got two bottom pair, it's possbile he made such a move with
: possible flush draw/made straight on the flop, and two players.
: 3) if he hit top pair (9) + middle or bottom pair, then that turn would kill
: me for sure;
: 4) if he hit a set (most likel
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 16 what happened afterwards had very little to do with your decision in the
moment.
you were right with your read, which is great. but you still could be wrong
unless you are always correct. and your play will cost you lots of equity
when your read was wrong.
from my experience, even the most passive person can be crazy sometimes, for
example, forrest gump punched that guy in the face when he slapped jenny.
pre
kill
even
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: (i could always be wrong)but my read was more on his style.
: 1) over pair not very likely, with his $60 over bet for a $20 pot and no pre
: -flop bet. i watched quite a few hands before and after when he hit over
: pair, he's not that aggressive;
: 2) if he only got two bottom pair, it's possbile he made such a move with
: possible flush draw/made straight on the flop, and two players.
: 3) if he hit top pair (9) + middle or bottom pair, then that turn would kill
: me for sure;
: 4) if he hit a set (most likel
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