p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 1 the famous Sklansky-Chubukov hand ranking was derived from the SB vs BB
battle, namely headsup. here is the original question sklansky asked and the
answer from chubukov.
Their hand ranking is quite different from pokerstove hand ranking, which is
derived from "ordering the hands according to their preflop all-in equity
versus three random hands". Basically pokerstove hand ranking is kinda "
multi-way" instead of headsup.
there are some other hand rankings such as, shoving hand rankings, calling (
a shove) hand ranking. when we shove, it could be ep mp lp, and the hand
rankings would be somewhat different, but they converges to SC hand ranking
when we got to bvb. the significant difference between shoving and calling
ranking is that suited connectors rank higher in shoving ranking, and ace-
rag rank higher in calling ranking.
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$200 Stipend to Expand A8 Result
#382772 - 10/24/03 03:25 AM
With a one and two dollar blind we now know that A8offsuit in the SB, is
better off moving in up to about 70 dollars more (even if the big blind saw
his cards) than he would be folding. If we thus say A8 has a rating of 70 or
so, what are the ratings for all other hands?
To make sure you understand, notice that 32 has a rating of one while
slightly better hands have a rating of two. Thats because you are getting 3-
1 if you put in one and 4-2 if you put in two.(Obviously the big blind would
always call in this case). Fairly poor hands would be rated three, getting
5-3 odds. At the other extreme, two kings would have a rating of about 1000.
Since it will pick up the pot unless the big blind has kings or aces and
will win some of those hands too.
If someone can tell me the "rating" for all hands (I would assume with the
help of a computer program), I'll send them $200 and give them credit
whenever I write about those results. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 概率兄现在玩十么类型和级别的扑克阿？ 你对扑克的钻研精神令人钦佩。 |
p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 3 small/mid stake SNG/MTT, mostly turbo and hypers. I'm terrible at postflop
game, so I need to work harder at preflop game.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 概率兄现在玩十么类型和级别的扑克阿？ 你对扑克的钻研精神令人钦佩。
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 4 just a suggestion(well i remember some pros mentioned), 6max cash helps to
improve postflop play especially for medium/deep stack wars, coz the preflop
ranges are similar. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 概率兄聪明人，说 post flop 差只是和他perfect 的preflop 比而已。 其实肯定不错
的。 |
p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 6 thanks bro. I'll try that when not grinding.
preflop
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: just a suggestion(well i remember some pros mentioned), 6max cash helps to
: improve postflop play especially for medium/deep stack wars, coz the preflop
: ranges are similar.
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 7 seriously, I'm big fish at rush/zoom poker. always start out playing tight
abc poker and end up a spewing monkey toward the end of yet another losing
session.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 概率兄聪明人，说 post flop 差只是和他perfect 的preflop 比而已。 其实肯定不错
: 的。
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 8 I think tournament is the softest form of poker, sng a bit tougher, and cash
game is the toughest one. anytime you need to go through all those four
streets, the edge (skill difference) got magnified and fishes got eaten
alive. for tournaments the high variance nature of the game and relative
simplicity (less postflop play) attract tons of fishes,since fish can do
simple stuff like shoving and calling, and win a donkament from time to time
to feel really good about his skills/luck/whatever. this does not apply to
the high stake deep structure tournaments (HSMTT) though, mostly just lower
buyin games. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 MTT 的variance 实在吃不消。打几个小时倒在FT前太悲催。
cash
time
to
lower
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: I think tournament is the softest form of poker, sng a bit tougher, and cash
: game is the toughest one. anytime you need to go through all those four
: streets, the edge (skill difference) got magnified and fishes got eaten
: alive. for tournaments the high variance nature of the game and relative
: simplicity (less postflop play) attract tons of fishes,since fish can do
: simple stuff like shoving and calling, and win a donkament from time to time
: to feel really good about his skills/luck/whatever. this does not apply to
: the high stake deep structure tournaments (HSMTT) though, mostly just lower
: buyin games.
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 10 概率大大，凭着我的仅有的那些经验而言，我觉得tourney跟cash真的只是skill set的
重点不一样。没有简单和复杂之分。且论variance，完全没有MM老湿说的那么夸张，这
点我想你玩的肯定比我多很多，体会也比我更直接。尤其是micro、small stake的
tourney，那个利润率其实是相当高的。
我不清楚同样的技术水平在500人以上的tourney和小规模的tourney的ITM％是否相同，
但是有一点，我觉得非常重要，就是心态。甚至某种程度上来讲，心态大于技术。
哥现在打牌，输输赢赢全然没感觉，就是坐在那里用经验来判断每一个move，就这样还
能活着。概率大大的技术绝对在哥之上的，而且最近的那次重大胜利应该又boost了你
的bankroll了吧。加油，调整，改进，move up，人venessa花了8年从默默无闻到poker
star，这不是最好的榜样么。 |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 11 which Venessa ?
I suppose Selbst? Though i like the other one.
poker
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 概率大大，凭着我的仅有的那些经验而言，我觉得tourney跟cash真的只是skill set的
: 重点不一样。没有简单和复杂之分。且论variance，完全没有MM老湿说的那么夸张，这
: 点我想你玩的肯定比我多很多，体会也比我更直接。尤其是micro、small stake的
: tourney，那个利润率其实是相当高的。
: 我不清楚同样的技术水平在500人以上的tourney和小规模的tourney的ITM％是否相同，
: 但是有一点，我觉得非常重要，就是心态。甚至某种程度上来讲，心态大于技术。
: 哥现在打牌，输输赢赢全然没感觉，就是坐在那里用经验来判断每一个move，就这样还
: 能活着。概率大大的技术绝对在哥之上的，而且最近的那次重大胜利应该又boost了你
: 的bankroll了吧。加油，调整，改进，move up，人venessa花了8年从默默无闻到poker
: star，这不是最好的榜样么。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 lol, we all like the other one unless you have heavy and special taste.
【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: which Venessa ?
: I suppose Selbst? Though i like the other one.
:
: poker
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 variance大不代表赢不了钱。刚查了，哥在merge的推推乐micro mtt ROI是98%. 不过
大部分时间还是倒在FT前。 这种浪费几小时的感觉，哥不喜欢。而且要得第一，这MTT
后期的运气确实很重要把？就像概率兄说的，MTT最后也就是一个shove/fold的
decision. edge 当然有，但不是很大。
poker
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 概率大大，凭着我的仅有的那些经验而言，我觉得tourney跟cash真的只是skill set的
: 重点不一样。没有简单和复杂之分。且论variance，完全没有MM老湿说的那么夸张，这
: 点我想你玩的肯定比我多很多，体会也比我更直接。尤其是micro、small stake的
: tourney，那个利润率其实是相当高的。
: 我不清楚同样的技术水平在500人以上的tourney和小规模的tourney的ITM％是否相同，
: 但是有一点，我觉得非常重要，就是心态。甚至某种程度上来讲，心态大于技术。
: 哥现在打牌，输输赢赢全然没感觉，就是坐在那里用经验来判断每一个move，就这样还
: 能活着。概率大大的技术绝对在哥之上的，而且最近的那次重大胜利应该又boost了你
: 的bankroll了吧。加油，调整，改进，move up，人venessa花了8年从默默无闻到poker
: star，这不是最好的榜样么。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 lol, same thing, you have to play tons of MTTs at the same time.
for pokeryjj, one shot could be $10K, better than grinding for months. for
fcf's friend, 50K buy-ins/month is the norm.
MTT
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: variance大不代表赢不了钱。刚查了，哥在merge的推推乐micro mtt ROI是98%. 不过
: 大部分时间还是倒在FT前。 这种浪费几小时的感觉，哥不喜欢。而且要得第一，这MTT
: 后期的运气确实很重要把？就像概率兄说的，MTT最后也就是一个shove/fold的
: decision. edge 当然有，但不是很大。
:
: poker
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 15
MTT
ROI 98%, already god-like, more volume == more profit, regardless the
variance
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: variance大不代表赢不了钱。刚查了，哥在merge的推推乐micro mtt ROI是98%. 不过
: 大部分时间还是倒在FT前。 这种浪费几小时的感觉，哥不喜欢。而且要得第一，这MTT
: 后期的运气确实很重要把？就像概率兄说的，MTT最后也就是一个shove/fold的
: decision. edge 当然有，但不是很大。
:
: poker
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 这sharkscope 的ROI 怎么算的？ 看average buy-in 和average profit 好象不对啊
。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: MTT
: ROI 98%, already god-like, more volume == more profit, regardless the
: variance
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 我不就 是想用这离谱的ROI 来说明mtt variance 大吗？ 是个人都知道这ROI 是不可
能持续的。 而且在这stake 就是真有这ROI 也没多少钱。
昨天不小心加了一个11$的 deep stack tourney（以为是turbo), 20 分钟一个level.
妈的，搞了快7个小时才搞到FT， 最后倒在一条大鱼面前第6名。 这悲催得。 长期玩
MTT这心理素质一定要好啊， 咱就受不了这罪， 还是cash 比较直接。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: MTT
: ROI 98%, already god-like, more volume == more profit, regardless the
: variance
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