a********9
发帖数: 3813 | |
r**********8
发帖数: 249 | |
h******k
发帖数: 15372 | |
G*******h
发帖数: 4091 | 4 我就说嘛，左逼讲述那个故事肯定有过滤，以显得法官冷酷无情。 |
f**a
发帖数: 2498 | 5 昨天那个医生1999的艾迪叫嚣的最欢，使劲给那个司机鸣不平。你正好可以去他的那个
楼里骂他个狗血喷头，反正他现在被禁了，还不了嘴。哈哈。
【在 a********9 的大作中提到】
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j****u
发帖数: 599 | 6 看了英文版的事情原委后，只能说这个司机开的好，必须开了，什麽玩意儿。一专业货
车司机居然把车开没油了，这尼玛什么水平。还说不跑路就冻死了，以为多冷呢，一
看 才零度，还是摄氏度。中国南方冬天不供暖的房间这样的温度多了去了，这么容易
冻死 那每年得冻死上亿人了。哥当年在Michigan出事故，车水箱漏了发动不了，大雪
纷飞， 等警察等了三个小时也没咋的，怎么到这个司机这儿就要冻死了，扯淡呢。说
货箱刹车 动冻失灵了，真他妈扯淡。公司让他等救援结果弃货自己走了，还有点责任
心吗？他走 了十五分钟后救援车就到了，尼玛公司能不生气吗，这种人渣不开了就没
天理了，还让 这个人渣讹诈一笔就更没天理了。 |
j****u
发帖数: 599 | 7 英文报道用词相当考究，说当时温度sub freezing, 冰点以下，以下多少不敢提了，
低0.001度那也算sub freezing 对不。
没油了不是说已经彻底干了，是不敢带着大货箱再往前开了，十有八九红灯已经亮了，
所以才借口货箱刹车冻失灵了，想想这借口有多可笑。
这种人要不开了公司就别干了，公司肯定没想到此人脸皮如此之厚，还倒打一耙，更没
想到还有作弊诉棍和媒体颠倒黑白，亏的还有这个正直的法官在。 |
n****g
发帖数: 14743 | 8 中文当八卦
具体情况要看英文原稿
业货
一看
冻死
飞，
刹车
他走
还让
【在 a********9 的大作中提到】
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m*******a
发帖数: 4507 | 9 下面是从判决书里面节录的factual background. 大家看完再评论也不迟...
Maddin was employed by TransAm as a truck driver. In January 2009, he was
driving a tractor-trailer for TransAm on I-88 in Illinois. At approximately
11:00 p.m., Maddin pulled to the side of the highway because he was unable
to find the TransAm-mandated fuel station and his gas gauge was below empty.
When he attempted to pull back onto the road ten minutes later, he
discovered the brakes on the trailer had locked up because of the frigid
temperatures.
Maddin reported the frozen brakes to TransAm at 11:17 p.m. and was
advised by TransAm’s Road Assist service that a repairperson would be sent
to
his location. While waiting for the repair truck, Maddin discovered that his
auxiliary power unit (“APU” or “bunk heater”) was not working and there
was no
heat in the cab of the truck. Maddin eventually fell asleep in the truck but
was awakened at approximately 1:18 a.m. when he received a telephone call
from his cousin, Gregory Nelson. According to Nelson, Maddin’s speech was
slurred and he sounded confused. When Maddin sat up, he realized his torso
was numb and he could not feel his feet. He called Road Assist again and
told the dispatcher his bunk heater was not working. He also told the
dispatcher about his physical
condition and asked when the repairperson would arrive. The dispatcher told
Maddin to “hang in there.” About thirty minutes after his second call to
Road Assist, Maddin became concerned about continuing to wait in the
freezing temperatures without heat. He unhitched the trailer from the truck,
pulled the truck about three feet away, andcalled his supervisor, Larry
Cluck.1
Maddin told Cluck he couldn’t feel his feet and was having trouble
breathing because of the cold. Cluck repeatedly told Maddin to turn on the
APU even though Maddin told Cluck several times it was not working. When
Maddin told Cluck he was leaving to seek help, Cluck told Maddin not to
leave the trailer, instructing him to either drag the trailer with its
frozen brakes or remain with the trailer until the repairperson arrived.
Maddin did not follow either instruction but, instead, drove off in the
truck leaving the trailer unattended. The repair truck arrived less than
fifteen minutes after Maddin left. Maddin drove the truck back to the
trailer and met with the repairperson.
After the repairs to the brakes were completed, Maddin called Cluck for
instructions on where to purchase fuel. During this conversation, Cluck
threatened to write Maddin up for either a late load or for missing his fuel
stopearlier. During a subsequent conversation, Cluck informed Maddin he was
being written up for abandoning the trailer. Less than a week later, Maddin
was fired for violating company policy by abandoning his load while under
dispatch.
https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/15/15-9504.pdf
【在 a********9 的大作中提到】
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q*******u
发帖数: 3435 | 10 货箱刹车冻失灵,这是很常见的问题。
商业车辆用air brake,高压气体顶开弹簧压紧的刹车片才能走。踩刹车是放气。
压缩气体减压导致温度下降，水汽凝结，再冻成冰堵住气路，车就根本不能用了。还有
被冰冻结的刹车皮也有可能无法被气体压力弹起。 |
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q*******u
发帖数: 3435 | 11 一月的IL（I-88上，应该至少在芝加哥北）, 半夜十一点到一点多，是啥温度用脚趾头
都能想明白，还提南方的室内温度。英文水平放一边，常识有吗？
TransAM 是最垃圾的公司，对雇员的欺骗臭名昭著，这个法官可能也跟你们一样缺乏常
识。 |
q*******u
发帖数: 3435 | 12 he was unable to find the TransAm-mandated fuel station导致没油，应该是公司
提供了错误信息（要求到一个不存在的加油站去），否则不会发生，因为能让卡车加油
的truck stop都很大，不仅GPS搜的到，主要高速上也都有标志。 |
t***s
发帖数: 4666 | 13 新闻里有说是 -17 F ，就是 -28 C 。
卡车司机refuse to operate 是受法律保护的。原来有判例，operate 不等于drive.
Refuse to operate 基本可以解释为refuse to operate [in a manner demanded by
employer]. 这个法官非要把operate 和 drive 等同起来。
【在 q*******u 的大作中提到】
: 一月的IL（I-88上，应该至少在芝加哥北）, 半夜十一点到一点多，是啥温度用脚趾头
: 都能想明白，还提南方的室内温度。英文水平放一边，常识有吗？
: TransAM 是最垃圾的公司，对雇员的欺骗臭名昭著，这个法官可能也跟你们一样缺乏常
: 识。
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a******5
发帖数: 2062 | 14 "一专业货车司机居然把车开没油了，这尼玛什么水平"
这不是他被解雇的理由，扯这个干嘛？
“还说不跑路就冻死了，以为多冷呢，一看才零度，还是摄氏度。中国南方冬天不供暖
的房间这样的温度多了去了，这么容易冻死那每年得冻死上亿人了。哥当年在Michigan
出事故，车水箱漏了发动不了，大雪纷飞，等警察等了三个小时也没咋的，怎么到这个
司机这儿就要冻死了，扯淡呢。”
这里说你的经验没有意义，个人健康状况不同、当时天气状况不同，所以你的经验没有
可比性，不必拿出来说事。根据楼上的英文版，他已经身体与双脚失去知觉，这才是唯
一值得考虑的。
“公司让他等救援结果弃货自己走了，还有点责任心吗？”
根据楼上的英文版，公司没有告诉他要等多久。换了是你，你已经双脚失去知觉了，又
不知道要等多久，你会等？ |
q*******u
发帖数: 3435 | 15 本人绝不是左X， ID也没有被盗，指出点你们的常识错误。
本案显然是dispatcher渎职造成，但dispatcher是transAM诈骗系统成员，所以只能让
受害者承担后果。 |
j****3
发帖数: 2836 | 16 靠，一月的IL半夜12点，车里要没暖气那是真要冻死人的。在美国北方生活过的都应该
知道，除非是计划好了要长时间呆在室外/车外的时候，才会穿的很厚，否则身上的衣
服也就只够短时间暴露在冷空气中的，比如从车到楼，从楼到车这种几十米最多几百米
的距离。
approximately
empty.
sent
【在 m*******a 的大作中提到】
: 下面是从判决书里面节录的factual background. 大家看完再评论也不迟...
: Maddin was employed by TransAm as a truck driver. In January 2009, he was
: driving a tractor-trailer for TransAm on I-88 in Illinois. At approximately
: 11:00 p.m., Maddin pulled to the side of the highway because he was unable
: to find the TransAm-mandated fuel station and his gas gauge was below empty.
: When he attempted to pull back onto the road ten minutes later, he
: discovered the brakes on the trailer had locked up because of the frigid
: temperatures.
: Maddin reported the frozen brakes to TransAm at 11:17 p.m. and was
: advised by TransAm’s Road Assist service that a repairperson would be sent
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 17 你就别瞎逼逼了，自己意淫出来的故事情节就当真事煽情了。malaichua贴的那些
facts为什么没有明确指责或者司机直接起诉你编造的所谓骗子的diapatcher?你编造的
dispatcher给了错误GPS信息更是狗屁不通的胡说八道。你编的这么有力的证据司机的
律师为什么不加入facts却那么轻描淡写的说司机没找到加油站。没找到加油站难道不
可能是司机自己太累或者听音乐走神错过出口然后发现油不多怕折回去找不到？
再看看你编造的所谓I-88肯定在芝加哥以北的屁话。操你大爷要不是我见过太多你们这
样冒充专家毫无廉耻瞎编的左逼，我肯定跟很多人一样被你骗了。自己睁开狗眼看看附
件地图，这叫芝加哥以北？你们这些婊子左逼连公开能查到的地图都有脸张嘴就瞎编煽
情，你们还有狗屁信誉出来叨逼叨？一群满嘴仁义道德一肚子男盗女娼的骗子人渣。
【在 q*******u 的大作中提到】
: 一月的IL（I-88上，应该至少在芝加哥北）, 半夜十一点到一点多，是啥温度用脚趾头
: 都能想明白，还提南方的室内温度。英文水平放一边，常识有吗？
: TransAM 是最垃圾的公司，对雇员的欺骗臭名昭著，这个法官可能也跟你们一样缺乏常
: 识。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 18 公司给错误信息的目的是啥？
搞死这个司机？
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 13
【在 q*******u 的大作中提到】
: he was unable to find the TransAm-mandated fuel station导致没油，应该是公司
: 提供了错误信息（要求到一个不存在的加油站去），否则不会发生，因为能让卡车加油
: 的truck stop都很大，不仅GPS搜的到，主要高速上也都有标志。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 19 扯蛋， 他开车的时候不开暖气？ 冬天开车没有带厚衣服？ 如果原来一直开着暖气
的话关了也要过好一阵子才能冷下来． 实际情况就是他很快的离开现场， 然后１５
分钟后救援车就到了． 尼玛你要是说你等了两小时然后再走，这个怕冻死的说法还讲
得通．
【在 j****3 的大作中提到】
: 靠，一月的IL半夜12点，车里要没暖气那是真要冻死人的。在美国北方生活过的都应该
: 知道，除非是计划好了要长时间呆在室外/车外的时候，才会穿的很厚，否则身上的衣
: 服也就只够短时间暴露在冷空气中的，比如从车到楼，从楼到车这种几十米最多几百米
: 的距离。
:
: approximately
: empty.
: sent
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m*******a
发帖数: 4507 | 20 实际情况是他11:17pm打电话通报, 等了两个小时都没人来.. 同时车内暖气也失灵...
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 扯蛋， 他开车的时候不开暖气？ 冬天开车没有带厚衣服？ 如果原来一直开着暖气
: 的话关了也要过好一阵子才能冷下来． 实际情况就是他很快的离开现场， 然后１５
: 分钟后救援车就到了． 尼玛你要是说你等了两小时然后再走，这个怕冻死的说法还讲
: 得通．
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l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 21 "身体与双脚失去知觉"?
那他是怎麼跑掉的？
Michigan
【在 a******5 的大作中提到】
: "一专业货车司机居然把车开没油了，这尼玛什么水平"
: 这不是他被解雇的理由，扯这个干嘛？
: “还说不跑路就冻死了，以为多冷呢，一看才零度，还是摄氏度。中国南方冬天不供暖
: 的房间这样的温度多了去了，这么容易冻死那每年得冻死上亿人了。哥当年在Michigan
: 出事故，车水箱漏了发动不了，大雪纷飞，等警察等了三个小时也没咋的，怎么到这个
: 司机这儿就要冻死了，扯淡呢。”
: 这里说你的经验没有意义，个人健康状况不同、当时天气状况不同，所以你的经验没有
: 可比性，不必拿出来说事。根据楼上的英文版，他已经身体与双脚失去知觉，这才是唯
: 一值得考虑的。
: “公司让他等救援结果弃货自己走了，还有点责任心吗？”
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j****3
发帖数: 2836 | 22 自己好好再读一下，算算前后时间。
Maddin reported the frozen brakes to TransAm at 11:17 p.m. and was
~~~~~~~~~
advised by TransAm’s Road Assist service that a repairperson would be sent
to his location. While waiting for the repair truck, Maddin discovered that
his
auxiliary power unit (“APU” or “bunk heater”) was not working and there
was no heat in the cab of the truck. Maddin eventually fell asleep in the
truck but was awakened at approximately 1:18 a.m. when he received a
telephone call
~~~~~~~~~~~
from his cousin, Gregory Nelson. According to Nelson, Maddin’s speech was
slurred and he sounded confused. When Maddin sat up, he realized his torso
was numb and he could not feel his feet. He called Road Assist again and
told the dispatcher his bunk heater was not working. He also told the
dispatcher about his physical condition and asked when the repairperson
would arrive. The dispatcher told Maddin to “hang in there.”
About thirty minutes after his second call to Road Assist, Maddin became
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
concerned about continuing to wait in the freezing temperatures without heat
.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 扯蛋， 他开车的时候不开暖气？ 冬天开车没有带厚衣服？ 如果原来一直开着暖气
: 的话关了也要过好一阵子才能冷下来． 实际情况就是他很快的离开现场， 然后１５
: 分钟后救援车就到了． 尼玛你要是说你等了两小时然后再走，这个怕冻死的说法还讲
: 得通．
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j*******n
发帖数: 10868 | 23 这个贴子很典型，也很欢乐，床粉的素质可见一斑。。。顶楼说仔细看了英文报道如何
如何却没有提供任何英文报道的link，然后床粉就开始集体高潮，斑竹也亲自上阵。。
。好歹你换个马甲吧 |
b*********n
发帖数: 2284 | 24 被冻卡车司机开车冲向人群 haha
【在 j*******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个贴子很典型，也很欢乐，床粉的素质可见一斑。。。顶楼说仔细看了英文报道如何
: 如何却没有提供任何英文报道的link，然后床粉就开始集体高潮，斑竹也亲自上阵。。
: 。好歹你换个马甲吧
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 25 为什么要换马甲? 版主不可以表达个人意见?
【在 j*******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个贴子很典型，也很欢乐，床粉的素质可见一斑。。。顶楼说仔细看了英文报道如何
: 如何却没有提供任何英文报道的link，然后床粉就开始集体高潮，斑竹也亲自上阵。。
: 。好歹你换个马甲吧
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 26 然后自己一点没问题的开车走人了? 这些description都是个人陈述, 属于hearsay.
sent
that
there
【在 j****3 的大作中提到】
: 自己好好再读一下，算算前后时间。
: Maddin reported the frozen brakes to TransAm at 11:17 p.m. and was
: ~~~~~~~~~
: advised by TransAm’s Road Assist service that a repairperson would be sent
: to his location. While waiting for the repair truck, Maddin discovered that
: his
: auxiliary power unit (“APU” or “bunk heater”) was not working and there
: was no heat in the cab of the truck. Maddin eventually fell asleep in the
: truck but was awakened at approximately 1:18 a.m. when he received a
: telephone call
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j****3
发帖数: 2836 | 27 车一发动自然就会有暖气了，问题是拖车的刹车失灵不敢再拖着。这些描述都是判决书
中的factual background中的，就算你不相信，法官是相信的，法官的判决也是基于这
些事实（或按你的说法：个人陈诉），那我们对这事情的讨论自然也是以factual
background为基础。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 然后自己一点没问题的开车走人了? 这些description都是个人陈述, 属于hearsay.
:
: sent
: that
: there
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