r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 1 Undeniable, unarguable scientific fact. |
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 2 你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！
我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！ |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 3 "我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！"
The 20% must die. The 80% is not in the "must die" category.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！
: 我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 4 "你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！"
I'm not sure about that. I'm a scientist, not politician.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！
: 我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 5 这跟政治无关，因为全世界早晚感染一圈，中国封堵效果显著，你的 must die ，除了
中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！"
: I'm not sure about that. I'm a scientist, not politician.
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 6 感染的越晚死亡率越低，因为病毒的致死率会不断降低，感染力会不断提高。
隔离是唯一有效阻断传播的途径，唯一的问题是随时间发展，隔离的成本越来越高，躺
平的成本越来越低。
了中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 这跟政治无关，因为全世界早晚感染一圈，中国封堵效果显著，你的 must die ，除了
: 中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 7 “变弱” 趋势合理，但达到 一定人群 比例，就没法再低了！ 另外根人群的 年龄分
布也有关，
还有，我相信少计量感染，能锻炼一大群人的 免疫力！要么 感染就不是 波，是个 近
似于 平的 曲线，。。
波不断，大部分原因是 因为 新变种！
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 感染的越晚死亡率越低，因为病毒的致死率会不断降低，感染力会不断提高。
: 隔离是唯一有效阻断传播的途径，唯一的问题是随时间发展，隔离的成本越来越高，躺
: 平的成本越来越低。
:
: 了中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 8 是的，这玩意不是流感，没有季节性。就是个致死性高了很多倍的普通感冒。最终也会
重新退化成普通感冒。
近似于 平的 曲线，。。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: “变弱” 趋势合理，但达到 一定人群 比例，就没法再低了！ 另外根人群的 年龄分
: 布也有关，
: 还有，我相信少计量感染，能锻炼一大群人的 免疫力！要么 感染就不是 波，是个 近
: 似于 平的 曲线，。。
: 波不断，大部分原因是 因为 新变种！
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 9 但愿还有其它解释，或者 新冠彻底真的 感冒化；要么，这种趋势，对于中国一直 往
死封，以后未必 行的，
比如说，别人 是 拉开的一波一波 “死”，中国 憋到一定程度，“爆”着来，就不好
看；
其实 华人天然自觉抗疫，可以松一松，比如按年龄来等等，中国这一年多也没死一个
新冠！
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 是的，这玩意不是流感，没有季节性。就是个致死性高了很多倍的普通感冒。最终也会
: 重新退化成普通感冒。
:
: 近似于 平的 曲线，。。
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 10 对个人来说，自我隔离是最正确的选择，你可以参考Larry page的做法。
但是对全社会来说，是lockdown，还是打疫苗是个经济问题。
这玩意，重症的多数是因为肺炎，但死的多数是因为过敏。所以该死的总是要死的，重
症率降低对死亡率帮助不大。要解决过敏问题，少量多次的接触，比大剂量疫苗接种靠
谱。
近似于 平的 曲线，。。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: “变弱” 趋势合理，但达到 一定人群 比例，就没法再低了！ 另外根人群的 年龄分
: 布也有关，
: 还有，我相信少计量感染，能锻炼一大群人的 免疫力！要么 感染就不是 波，是个 近
: 似于 平的 曲线，。。
: 波不断，大部分原因是 因为 新变种！
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 11 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
降到1/3以下的合理解释。
好看；
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 但愿还有其它解释，或者 新冠彻底真的 感冒化；要么，这种趋势，对于中国一直 往
: 死封，以后未必 行的，
: 比如说，别人 是 拉开的一波一波 “死”，中国 憋到一定程度，“爆”着来，就不好
: 看；
: 其实 华人天然自觉抗疫，可以松一松，比如按年龄来等等，中国这一年多也没死一个
: 新冠！
|
C*N
发帖数: 1792 | 12 这个很好解释，开始测试跟不上，大量的感染没有计算到分母里面
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 13 问题是某个亲自指挥亲自部署的人不承认武汉是首发地，要通过压低武汉早期的感染总
数来甩锅呀。
往
【在 C*N 的大作中提到】
: 这个很好解释，开始测试跟不上，大量的感染没有计算到分母里面
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 14 Covid's IFR is about 0.5%. Delta variant's fatality rate does not
significantly change for naive population.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 15 A lie repeated a hundred times is still a lie.
Many European countries had high case fatality rates at the end of last
spring. Here are a few of them. Data are extracted from worldometer on 5/1
/20.
France's case fatality rate was 20.3% (24570 total death / 121316 cases)
UK 17.1% (27373/160410)
Spain 11.1% (25728/232272)
Italy 13.6% (28206/287415)
They all were a lot higher than your 5%, even US's and Canada's were higher.
They later all dropped a lot simply because there were not many deaths in
hot/warm summer and probably doctors were more experienced and then probably
the vaccines were helping.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
|
d********g
发帖数: 11948 | 16 18%是怎么来的
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
|
m********s
发帖数: 40 | 17 "They all were ..." -> "They were all ..."
/1
higher.
in
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: A lie repeated a hundred times is still a lie.
: Many European countries had high case fatality rates at the end of last
: spring. Here are a few of them. Data are extracted from worldometer on 5/1
: /20.
: France's case fatality rate was 20.3% (24570 total death / 121316 cases)
: UK 17.1% (27373/160410)
: Spain 11.1% (25728/232272)
: Italy 13.6% (28206/287415)
: They all were a lot higher than your 5%, even US's and Canada's were higher.
: They later all dropped a lot simply because there were not many deaths in
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 18 You are not the first one on this board to offer me free tutor in English,
ends up that theirs all are worse than mine, and you are no exemption You
believe "They are all ..." is the only correct expression because your
middle school teacher in China taught you so? Tell you what, at least
google it before you say someone makes a mistake so that you won't embarrass
yourself.
【在 m********s 的大作中提到】
: "They all were ..." -> "They were all ..."
:
: /1
: higher.
: in
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 19 covid's ifr is 0.5%
https://youtu.be/34oI0yd5YUc?t=19
/1
higher.
in
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: A lie repeated a hundred times is still a lie.
: Many European countries had high case fatality rates at the end of last
: spring. Here are a few of them. Data are extracted from worldometer on 5/1
: /20.
: France's case fatality rate was 20.3% (24570 total death / 121316 cases)
: UK 17.1% (27373/160410)
: Spain 11.1% (25728/232272)
: Italy 13.6% (28206/287415)
: They all were a lot higher than your 5%, even US's and Canada's were higher.
: They later all dropped a lot simply because there were not many deaths in
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 20 More and more governments adopted the policy of Everyone that WOULD die from
covid MUST die
Sweden
Brazil
UK
Singapore
many US states
Covid is INEVITABLE! |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 22 That's the SCIENCE. That's the LAW. |
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 23 Your Georgia is being hit pretty hard now, tell your neighbors, friends and
colleagues that it is science and law that their loved ones MUST die when
that happens. |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 24 Of course I will
: Your Georgia is being hit pretty hard now, tell your neighbors,
friends and
: colleagues that it is science and law that their loved ones MUST die
when
: that happens.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Your Georgia is being hit pretty hard now, tell your neighbors, friends and
: colleagues that it is science and law that their loved ones MUST die when
: that happens.
|
i********r
发帖数: 139 | 25 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就有解药
了呢？
再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！"
: The 20% must die. The 80% is not in the "must die" category.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 26 Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must die"
category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！"
: The 20% must die. The 80% is not in the "must die" category.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 27 Masks only slow down the transmission a little bit. Israel has indoor mask
mandate and vaccine passport, but the virus transmission is not slow at all.
So no, masks doesn't save the ones not savable by vaccination.
: Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
: social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must
die"
: category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
: social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must die"
: category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 28 Dying at today or tomorrow does have a difference. If people don't want to
die today from Covid, they can lock themselves down at home, and don't
bother to stop others partying.
There will NOT be "解药” for Covid, ever. Mark my words.
: 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就
有解药
: 了呢？
: 再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就有解药
: 了呢？
: 再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
|
i********r
发帖数: 139 | 29 完全不同意。
他们不需要lock themselves down at home。如果不上班，他们可以从每周出门7次减
少到4次、2次甚至1次；或者戴口罩，让他们得到90%、50%、甚至10%的保护。这样，他
们的生存几率增加、成活的时间就长。不是吗？
生命就是这样。Every struggle is meaningful。
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Dying at today or tomorrow does have a difference. If people don't want to
: die today from Covid, they can lock themselves down at home, and don't
: bother to stop others partying.
: There will NOT be "解药” for Covid, ever. Mark my words.
:
:
: 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就
: 有解药
:
: 了呢？
:
: 再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
:
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 30 I'm fine with whatever they do as long as they don't bother me when I'm
partying.
: 完全不同意。
: 他们不需要lock themselves down at home。如果不上班，他们可以从每周出门
7次减
: 少到4次、2次甚至1次；或者戴口罩，让他们得到90%、50%、甚至10%的保护。这
样，他
: 们的生存几率增加、成活的时间就长。不是吗？
: 生命就是这样。Every struggle is meaningful。
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 完全不同意。
: 他们不需要lock themselves down at home。如果不上班，他们可以从每周出门7次减
: 少到4次、2次甚至1次；或者戴口罩，让他们得到90%、50%、甚至10%的保护。这样，他
: 们的生存几率增加、成活的时间就长。不是吗？
: 生命就是这样。Every struggle is meaningful。
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 31 If it is slowed down enough, it will "die" before infecting another person.
all.
and
must
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Masks only slow down the transmission a little bit. Israel has indoor mask
: mandate and vaccine passport, but the virus transmission is not slow at all.
: So no, masks doesn't save the ones not savable by vaccination.
:
:
: Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
:
: social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must
: die"
:
: category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
:
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 32 That's the key. "Slowed down enough"
Covid's high transmissibility means using masks and vaccinations without
other measures will not make covid "die".
In order to shutdown the virus, the government have to weld people's doors
like China did.
.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: If it is slowed down enough, it will "die" before infecting another person.
:
: all.
: and
: must
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 33 Adopt my ass. They just give up, they are defeated.
from
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: More and more governments adopted the policy of Everyone that WOULD die from
: covid MUST die
: Sweden
: Brazil
: UK
: Singapore
: many US states
: Covid is INEVITABLE!
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 34 Whatever word you use.
Now add Denmark:
Denmark says Covid is no longer a ‘socially critical disease.’
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/world/denmark-says-covid-is-no-longer-a-
socially-critical-disease.html
It will drop all Covid restrictions as of Sept. 10.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Adopt my ass. They just give up, they are defeated.
:
: from
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 35 Whatever word you chose.
Eventually we know all countries will "adopt", I have no doubt about it at
this time. I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have
to be lost to it.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Whatever word you use.
: Now add Denmark:
: Denmark says Covid is no longer a ‘socially critical disease.’
: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/world/denmark-says-covid-is-no-longer-a-
: socially-critical-disease.html
: It will drop all Covid restrictions as of Sept. 10.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 36 "I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have to be lost
to it."
So you are OK for lives lost AFTER many countries lifted their covid
restrictions?
at
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Whatever word you chose.
: Eventually we know all countries will "adopt", I have no doubt about it at
: this time. I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have
: to be lost to it.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 37 Eventually we will have to treat it as a big flu, unless the whole world can
collaborate once and do together what China is doing, but that won't happen
. Whether or not it is OK with me, we just have to accept it. That's how
we adapt, isn't it?
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have to be lost
: to it."
: So you are OK for lives lost AFTER many countries lifted their covid
: restrictions?
:
: at
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 38 Of course.
So...
Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
Undeniable. Unarguable. Scientific. Fact.
can
happen
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Eventually we will have to treat it as a big flu, unless the whole world can
: collaborate once and do together what China is doing, but that won't happen
: . Whether or not it is OK with me, we just have to accept it. That's how
: we adapt, isn't it?
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 39 but your "must die" list can be truncated, as vax have done.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Of course.
: So...
: Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
: Undeniable. Unarguable. Scientific. Fact.
:
: can
: happen
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 40 I never said people cannot get vaxxed...
I promote vax for high-risk people in all of my posts regarding vax!
However, if one is vaxxed, and still dies from covid, THEY MUST DIE!
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: but your "must die" list can be truncated, as vax have done.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 41 not just vax, other things can truncate your list.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I never said people cannot get vaxxed...
: I promote vax for high-risk people in all of my posts regarding vax!
: However, if one is vaxxed, and still dies from covid, THEY MUST DIE!
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 42 Maybe some other things.
Monoclonal antibody treatment? Maybe.
Promote a healthier life style and decrease obesity? Definitely.
Mask (non N-95) is not one of them, though.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: not just vax, other things can truncate your list.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 43 I hope LAUSD's cases among students and staff will not soar in the coming
days. Last week, LAUSD saw 3,186 new infections. If masks are not
effective, there should be thousands of new infections in the coming days
since each one of them had come into close contact with at least several
before being sent home. If the new numbers are not too large, I will have
to credit it to mask.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Maybe some other things.
: Monoclonal antibody treatment? Maybe.
: Promote a healthier life style and decrease obesity? Definitely.
: Mask (non N-95) is not one of them, though.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 44 Again you are looking at short-term numbers. And you are only looking at
schools...
But let's wait and see as you suggested, to check what's the effect of mask
mandates on case numbers in schools. (Although in a bigger picture, I don't
think it matters to how many people would die of covid in the long term.)
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: I hope LAUSD's cases among students and staff will not soar in the coming
: days. Last week, LAUSD saw 3,186 new infections. If masks are not
: effective, there should be thousands of new infections in the coming days
: since each one of them had come into close contact with at least several
: before being sent home. If the new numbers are not too large, I will have
: to credit it to mask.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 45 Of course, if the students' new cases in the coming days can stay low, it is
enough to conclude that masks, though many, if not most, are worn
improperly, are effective in stopping the spread of covid. Once a positive
case is identified, all the other students coming into close contact with
him/her are placed in quarantine, they are not allowed to go back to school
for a few days, and they have to be tested negative before returning to
school.
On the other hand, we have seen soaring numbers of infections among students
and staff in Atlanta school districts. If I remember the numbers right,
there were only a few thousands after the first week, but now there are
close to 20 thousand. We have seen the fast spread of covid in schools when
many are not wearing masks. I am pretty sure the total Atlanta school
districts have fewer students than LAUSD. LAUSD has over 664k students.
mask
t
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Again you are looking at short-term numbers. And you are only looking at
: schools...
: But let's wait and see as you suggested, to check what's the effect of mask
: mandates on case numbers in schools. (Although in a bigger picture, I don't
: think it matters to how many people would die of covid in the long term.)
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 46 I don't give a flip about covid spreading in schools.
IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYONE THAT WOULD DIE FROM COVID MUST DIE ANYWAYS!
If you are afraid to catch covid from your kid, don't put them in the school!
P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students in
close contact with a positive case.
is
positive
school
students
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Of course, if the students' new cases in the coming days can stay low, it is
: enough to conclude that masks, though many, if not most, are worn
: improperly, are effective in stopping the spread of covid. Once a positive
: case is identified, all the other students coming into close contact with
: him/her are placed in quarantine, they are not allowed to go back to school
: for a few days, and they have to be tested negative before returning to
: school.
: On the other hand, we have seen soaring numbers of infections among students
: and staff in Atlanta school districts. If I remember the numbers right,
: there were only a few thousands after the first week, but now there are
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 47 I am fine with my kids at school, at least now, since here in southern Cal
students are required to wear mask at school.
school!
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I don't give a flip about covid spreading in schools.
: IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYONE THAT WOULD DIE FROM COVID MUST DIE ANYWAYS!
: If you are afraid to catch covid from your kid, don't put them in the school!
: P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students in
: close contact with a positive case.
:
: is
: positive
: school
: students
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 48 >>>P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students
in close contact with a positive case.
---Still free to choose no-mask? Expedited path to herd immunity? Hasn't
Johnson given up on this? Has he reloaded it again?
school!
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I don't give a flip about covid spreading in schools.
: IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYONE THAT WOULD DIE FROM COVID MUST DIE ANYWAYS!
: If you are afraid to catch covid from your kid, don't put them in the school!
: P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students in
: close contact with a positive case.
:
: is
: positive
: school
: students
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 49 UK has lifted ALL covid restrictions as of July 2021.
Some reported UK government is OK with 50k deaths of covid per year.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: >>>P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students
: in close contact with a positive case.
: ---Still free to choose no-mask? Expedited path to herd immunity? Hasn't
: Johnson given up on this? Has he reloaded it again?
:
: school!
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 50 Yes, no mask mandate, no quarantine for primary contact. In at least one
Atlanta school district.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: >>>P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students
: in close contact with a positive case.
: ---Still free to choose no-mask? Expedited path to herd immunity? Hasn't
: Johnson given up on this? Has he reloaded it again?
:
: school!
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 51 are you for, against, or no opinion on this?
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Yes, no mask mandate, no quarantine for primary contact. In at least one
: Atlanta school district.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 52 I'm totally supporting it. That's the way to go.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: are you for, against, or no opinion on this?
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 53 I honestly hope the best for Georgia. I have a cousin living in the Atlanta
area. She has a one-y-o adorable daughter. Her family are hard core GOPs.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Yes, no mask mandate, no quarantine for primary contact. In at least one
: Atlanta school district.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 54 That's my guess. Just want to hear it from you.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I'm totally supporting it. That's the way to go.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 55 So you both are living in the place you liked. Good for both of your
families!
Atlanta
GOPs.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: I honestly hope the best for Georgia. I have a cousin living in the Atlanta
: area. She has a one-y-o adorable daughter. Her family are hard core GOPs.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 56 As I repeated again and again.
Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
Undeniable. Unarguable. Scientific. Fact.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: That's my guess. Just want to hear it from you.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 57 No. I thought you are a reasonable person.
In term of covid, I am fine with Newsom. But I am a GOP leaner and am not
satisfied with most of what the Dems do. I am stuck in LA area simply
because of my job. Me and my wife many times talking about retiring in
Idaho, by the Snake River or near Sun Valley.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: So you both are living in the place you liked. Good for both of your
: families!
:
: Atlanta
: GOPs.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 58 I'm sorry to hear that from you.
But sadly we cannot get everything we want. Job, covid policies, etc. There
must be something you give in.
But at least you liked Newsom's covid policy. So that's a good aspect in
your life?
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: No. I thought you are a reasonable person.
: In term of covid, I am fine with Newsom. But I am a GOP leaner and am not
: satisfied with most of what the Dems do. I am stuck in LA area simply
: because of my job. Me and my wife many times talking about retiring in
: Idaho, by the Snake River or near Sun Valley.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 59 That's life.
Teenagers love to say "life sucks", so I have to borrow this phrase from
them.
There
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I'm sorry to hear that from you.
: But sadly we cannot get everything we want. Job, covid policies, etc. There
: must be something you give in.
: But at least you liked Newsom's covid policy. So that's a good aspect in
: your life?
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 60 More and more people realized this scientific fact. Just they won't say it
out loud. |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 61 Is there still people who disagree? |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 65 Most infectious experts agree. |
p**********t
发帖数: 50 | 66 Agree, as long as you can change the MUST category to validate your
statement.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Is there still people who disagree?
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 67 Congratulations. You got the point!
The MUST category is decided by each of individuals themselves, not by
others. Your own choice will decide whether or not to get the vaccine,
whether or not to go to a crowded event, etc.
Don't bother others to "protect" you. You DON'T have the right to make sure
others don't have covid.
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: Agree, as long as you can change the MUST category to validate your
: statement.
|
f*********1
发帖数: 2518 | 68 恍然间以为身处中国八十年代初某大学自习室的英语角…… |
p**********t
发帖数: 50 | 69 You misunderstood my point, the category is defined by YOU, after each one
dies you include him/her into the category. If some measures save someone's
life, you just do not include him/her into your category. You Don't know
your list ahead of time. You know the list only after the facts.
Don't bother others to protect you? Then what's your purpose of wearing
mask when inside in public spaces? Protect yourself? Others? Kowtow to
the norm? Or just for fun? Don't tell me you have never worn a mask since
the pandemic hit.
sure
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Congratulations. You got the point!
: The MUST category is decided by each of individuals themselves, not by
: others. Your own choice will decide whether or not to get the vaccine,
: whether or not to go to a crowded event, etc.
: Don't bother others to "protect" you. You DON'T have the right to make sure
: others don't have covid.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 70 I said "Don't bother others to protect you". I didn't say "Don't protect
others". Can you tell the difference?
I wear masks to protect others, when I want to. I NEVER asked others to wear
masks to
protect me.
's
since
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: You misunderstood my point, the category is defined by YOU, after each one
: dies you include him/her into the category. If some measures save someone's
: life, you just do not include him/her into your category. You Don't know
: your list ahead of time. You know the list only after the facts.
: Don't bother others to protect you? Then what's your purpose of wearing
: mask when inside in public spaces? Protect yourself? Others? Kowtow to
: the norm? Or just for fun? Don't tell me you have never worn a mask since
: the pandemic hit.
:
: sure
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 71 Yes, we don't know who will die before it happens. But people's chance are
different.
What I'm saying is that you HAVE TO roll the dice.
's
since
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: You misunderstood my point, the category is defined by YOU, after each one
: dies you include him/her into the category. If some measures save someone's
: life, you just do not include him/her into your category. You Don't know
: your list ahead of time. You know the list only after the facts.
: Don't bother others to protect you? Then what's your purpose of wearing
: mask when inside in public spaces? Protect yourself? Others? Kowtow to
: the norm? Or just for fun? Don't tell me you have never worn a mask since
: the pandemic hit.
:
: sure
|
p**********t
发帖数: 50 | 72 Want to. Good.
wear
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I said "Don't bother others to protect you". I didn't say "Don't protect
: others". Can you tell the difference?
: I wear masks to protect others, when I want to. I NEVER asked others to wear
: masks to
: protect me.
:
: 's
: since
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 73 Just noticed you are Niner'sMJ
Glad that you agree that Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: Want to. Good.
:
: wear
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 74 你这话其实 一点也不科学，就跟 打一枪，再去画靶一样的逻辑，
起码大概 定义一下 什么杨人 “would”， 或者 人口中 多少 percentage WOULD ！
科学是 你给个“定义”“条件”“标准”等，然后 符合的，就 几乎一定是 导致什么
样的结果，
你这 充其量就是 一句 口号，而且 起坏作用的口号！
听起来是：该死于新冠，就必须死； 谁 “该”，什么样的 “该” ！？？
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Just noticed you are Niner'sMJ
: Glad that you agree that Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 75 For your questions:
Old, fat, sick, unvaccinated people have much higher chance of dying from
covid.
In US, 100,000 more people would die (and MUST DIE) before the end of 2021.
Every year from now, 100,000 people in us would (and MUST) die from covid.
Does this answer your question?
My point is, and has always been, that covid deaths are INEVITABLE. DON'T
BOTHER PEOPLE with stupid covid rules.
"你这话其实 一点也不科学，就跟 打一枪，再去画靶一样的逻辑，"
I'm just saying any 靶 in a shooting range will be shot with many holes.
That's
inevitable!
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你这话其实 一点也不科学，就跟 打一枪，再去画靶一样的逻辑，
: 起码大概 定义一下 什么杨人 “would”， 或者 人口中 多少 percentage WOULD ！
: 科学是 你给个“定义”“条件”“标准”等，然后 符合的，就 几乎一定是 导致什么
: 样的结果，
: 你这 充其量就是 一句 口号，而且 起坏作用的口号！
: 听起来是：该死于新冠，就必须死； 谁 “该”，什么样的 “该” ！？？
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 77 Undeniable, unarguable scientific fact. |
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 78 你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！
我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！ |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 79 "我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！"
The 20% must die. The 80% is not in the "must die" category.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！
: 我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 80 "你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！"
I'm not sure about that. I'm a scientist, not politician.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！
: 我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 81 这跟政治无关，因为全世界早晚感染一圈，中国封堵效果显著，你的 must die ，除了
中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "你这个要是 100% 必然发生，最后最遭罪是 中国！"
: I'm not sure about that. I'm a scientist, not politician.
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 82 感染的越晚死亡率越低，因为病毒的致死率会不断降低，感染力会不断提高。
隔离是唯一有效阻断传播的途径，唯一的问题是随时间发展，隔离的成本越来越高，躺
平的成本越来越低。
了中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 这跟政治无关，因为全世界早晚感染一圈，中国封堵效果显著，你的 must die ，除了
: 中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 83 “变弱” 趋势合理，但达到 一定人群 比例，就没法再低了！ 另外根人群的 年龄分
布也有关，
还有，我相信少计量感染，能锻炼一大群人的 免疫力！要么 感染就不是 波，是个 近
似于 平的 曲线，。。
波不断，大部分原因是 因为 新变种！
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 感染的越晚死亡率越低，因为病毒的致死率会不断降低，感染力会不断提高。
: 隔离是唯一有效阻断传播的途径，唯一的问题是随时间发展，隔离的成本越来越高，躺
: 平的成本越来越低。
:
: 了中国的 都 die 了， 那最后就剩中国了！
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 84 是的，这玩意不是流感，没有季节性。就是个致死性高了很多倍的普通感冒。最终也会
重新退化成普通感冒。
近似于 平的 曲线，。。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: “变弱” 趋势合理，但达到 一定人群 比例，就没法再低了！ 另外根人群的 年龄分
: 布也有关，
: 还有，我相信少计量感染，能锻炼一大群人的 免疫力！要么 感染就不是 波，是个 近
: 似于 平的 曲线，。。
: 波不断，大部分原因是 因为 新变种！
|
c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 85 但愿还有其它解释，或者 新冠彻底真的 感冒化；要么，这种趋势，对于中国一直 往
死封，以后未必 行的，
比如说，别人 是 拉开的一波一波 “死”，中国 憋到一定程度，“爆”着来，就不好
看；
其实 华人天然自觉抗疫，可以松一松，比如按年龄来等等，中国这一年多也没死一个
新冠！
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 是的，这玩意不是流感，没有季节性。就是个致死性高了很多倍的普通感冒。最终也会
: 重新退化成普通感冒。
:
: 近似于 平的 曲线，。。
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 86 对个人来说，自我隔离是最正确的选择，你可以参考Larry page的做法。
但是对全社会来说，是lockdown，还是打疫苗是个经济问题。
这玩意，重症的多数是因为肺炎，但死的多数是因为过敏。所以该死的总是要死的，重
症率降低对死亡率帮助不大。要解决过敏问题，少量多次的接触，比大剂量疫苗接种靠
谱。
近似于 平的 曲线，。。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: “变弱” 趋势合理，但达到 一定人群 比例，就没法再低了！ 另外根人群的 年龄分
: 布也有关，
: 还有，我相信少计量感染，能锻炼一大群人的 免疫力！要么 感染就不是 波，是个 近
: 似于 平的 曲线，。。
: 波不断，大部分原因是 因为 新变种！
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 87 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
降到1/3以下的合理解释。
好看；
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 但愿还有其它解释，或者 新冠彻底真的 感冒化；要么，这种趋势，对于中国一直 往
: 死封，以后未必 行的，
: 比如说，别人 是 拉开的一波一波 “死”，中国 憋到一定程度，“爆”着来，就不好
: 看；
: 其实 华人天然自觉抗疫，可以松一松，比如按年龄来等等，中国这一年多也没死一个
: 新冠！
|
C*N
发帖数: 1792 | 88 这个很好解释，开始测试跟不上，大量的感染没有计算到分母里面
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
|
i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 89 问题是某个亲自指挥亲自部署的人不承认武汉是首发地，要通过压低武汉早期的感染总
数来甩锅呀。
往
【在 C*N 的大作中提到】
: 这个很好解释，开始测试跟不上，大量的感染没有计算到分母里面
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 90 Covid's IFR is about 0.5%. Delta variant's fatality rate does not
significantly change for naive population.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 91 A lie repeated a hundred times is still a lie.
Many European countries had high case fatality rates at the end of last
spring. Here are a few of them. Data are extracted from worldometer on 5/1
/20.
France's case fatality rate was 20.3% (24570 total death / 121316 cases)
UK 17.1% (27373/160410)
Spain 11.1% (25728/232272)
Italy 13.6% (28206/287415)
They all were a lot higher than your 5%, even US's and Canada's were higher.
They later all dropped a lot simply because there were not many deaths in
hot/warm summer and probably doctors were more experienced and then probably
the vaccines were helping.
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
|
d********g
发帖数: 11948 | 92 18%是怎么来的
【在 i*****9 的大作中提到】
: 中国的问题是不知道怎么圆谎。。。。。。早期武汉的死亡率是18%。武汉之外，就算
: 没有吸氧条件的，死亡率都没高过5%。
: 18%死亡率的病毒封城是唯一解。厉害国找不到一个病毒自然起源，然后死亡率半年就
: 降到1/3以下的合理解释。
:
: 好看；
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m********s
发帖数: 40 | 93 "They all were ..." -> "They were all ..."
/1
higher.
in
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: A lie repeated a hundred times is still a lie.
: Many European countries had high case fatality rates at the end of last
: spring. Here are a few of them. Data are extracted from worldometer on 5/1
: /20.
: France's case fatality rate was 20.3% (24570 total death / 121316 cases)
: UK 17.1% (27373/160410)
: Spain 11.1% (25728/232272)
: Italy 13.6% (28206/287415)
: They all were a lot higher than your 5%, even US's and Canada's were higher.
: They later all dropped a lot simply because there were not many deaths in
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 94 You are not the first one on this board to offer me free tutor in English,
ends up that theirs all are worse than mine, and you are no exemption You
believe "They are all ..." is the only correct expression because your
middle school teacher in China taught you so? Tell you what, at least
google it before you say someone makes a mistake so that you won't embarrass
yourself.
【在 m********s 的大作中提到】
: "They all were ..." -> "They were all ..."
:
: /1
: higher.
: in
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 95 covid's ifr is 0.5%
https://youtu.be/34oI0yd5YUc?t=19
/1
higher.
in
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: A lie repeated a hundred times is still a lie.
: Many European countries had high case fatality rates at the end of last
: spring. Here are a few of them. Data are extracted from worldometer on 5/1
: /20.
: France's case fatality rate was 20.3% (24570 total death / 121316 cases)
: UK 17.1% (27373/160410)
: Spain 11.1% (25728/232272)
: Italy 13.6% (28206/287415)
: They all were a lot higher than your 5%, even US's and Canada's were higher.
: They later all dropped a lot simply because there were not many deaths in
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 96 More and more governments adopted the policy of Everyone that WOULD die from
covid MUST die
Sweden
Brazil
UK
Singapore
many US states
Covid is INEVITABLE! |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 98 That's the SCIENCE. That's the LAW. |
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 99 Your Georgia is being hit pretty hard now, tell your neighbors, friends and
colleagues that it is science and law that their loved ones MUST die when
that happens. |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 100 Of course I will
: Your Georgia is being hit pretty hard now, tell your neighbors,
friends and
: colleagues that it is science and law that their loved ones MUST die
when
: that happens.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Your Georgia is being hit pretty hard now, tell your neighbors, friends and
: colleagues that it is science and law that their loved ones MUST die when
: that happens.
|
i********r
发帖数: 139 | 101 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就有解药
了呢？
再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！"
: The 20% must die. The 80% is not in the "must die" category.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 102 Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must die"
category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "我觉得疫苗能 挽救 80% 多 这些 “must die“ 的！"
: The 20% must die. The 80% is not in the "must die" category.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 103 Masks only slow down the transmission a little bit. Israel has indoor mask
mandate and vaccine passport, but the virus transmission is not slow at all.
So no, masks doesn't save the ones not savable by vaccination.
: Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
: social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must
die"
: category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
: social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must die"
: category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 104 Dying at today or tomorrow does have a difference. If people don't want to
die today from Covid, they can lock themselves down at home, and don't
bother to stop others partying.
There will NOT be "解药” for Covid, ever. Mark my words.
: 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就
有解药
: 了呢？
: 再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就有解药
: 了呢？
: 再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
|
i********r
发帖数: 139 | 105 完全不同意。
他们不需要lock themselves down at home。如果不上班，他们可以从每周出门7次减
少到4次、2次甚至1次；或者戴口罩，让他们得到90%、50%、甚至10%的保护。这样，他
们的生存几率增加、成活的时间就长。不是吗？
生命就是这样。Every struggle is meaningful。
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Dying at today or tomorrow does have a difference. If people don't want to
: die today from Covid, they can lock themselves down at home, and don't
: bother to stop others partying.
: There will NOT be "解药” for Covid, ever. Mark my words.
:
:
: 那20%也不是非的今天/年死对吧？也今天/年死5%，明天/年5%，然后后天/年就
: 有解药
:
: 了呢？
:
: 再说了，今天死和明天死还是有区别的对吧？
:
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 106 I'm fine with whatever they do as long as they don't bother me when I'm
partying.
: 完全不同意。
: 他们不需要lock themselves down at home。如果不上班，他们可以从每周出门
7次减
: 少到4次、2次甚至1次；或者戴口罩，让他们得到90%、50%、甚至10%的保护。这
样，他
: 们的生存几率增加、成活的时间就长。不是吗？
: 生命就是这样。Every struggle is meaningful。
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: 完全不同意。
: 他们不需要lock themselves down at home。如果不上班，他们可以从每周出门7次减
: 少到4次、2次甚至1次；或者戴口罩，让他们得到90%、50%、甚至10%的保护。这样，他
: 们的生存几率增加、成活的时间就长。不是吗？
: 生命就是这样。Every struggle is meaningful。
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 107 If it is slowed down enough, it will "die" before infecting another person.
all.
and
must
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Masks only slow down the transmission a little bit. Israel has indoor mask
: mandate and vaccine passport, but the virus transmission is not slow at all.
: So no, masks doesn't save the ones not savable by vaccination.
:
:
: Then how do you know that some of the 20% cannot be saved by masks and
:
: social distancing, just like that 80% saved by vax? Then your "must
: die"
:
: category might be further down to, maybe(? hopefully?), 2%?
:
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 108 That's the key. "Slowed down enough"
Covid's high transmissibility means using masks and vaccinations without
other measures will not make covid "die".
In order to shutdown the virus, the government have to weld people's doors
like China did.
.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: If it is slowed down enough, it will "die" before infecting another person.
:
: all.
: and
: must
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 109 Adopt my ass. They just give up, they are defeated.
from
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: More and more governments adopted the policy of Everyone that WOULD die from
: covid MUST die
: Sweden
: Brazil
: UK
: Singapore
: many US states
: Covid is INEVITABLE!
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 110 Whatever word you use.
Now add Denmark:
Denmark says Covid is no longer a ‘socially critical disease.’
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/world/denmark-says-covid-is-no-longer-a-
socially-critical-disease.html
It will drop all Covid restrictions as of Sept. 10.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Adopt my ass. They just give up, they are defeated.
:
: from
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 111 Whatever word you chose.
Eventually we know all countries will "adopt", I have no doubt about it at
this time. I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have
to be lost to it.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Whatever word you use.
: Now add Denmark:
: Denmark says Covid is no longer a ‘socially critical disease.’
: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/world/denmark-says-covid-is-no-longer-a-
: socially-critical-disease.html
: It will drop all Covid restrictions as of Sept. 10.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 112 "I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have to be lost
to it."
So you are OK for lives lost AFTER many countries lifted their covid
restrictions?
at
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Whatever word you chose.
: Eventually we know all countries will "adopt", I have no doubt about it at
: this time. I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have
: to be lost to it.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 113 Eventually we will have to treat it as a big flu, unless the whole world can
collaborate once and do together what China is doing, but that won't happen
. Whether or not it is OK with me, we just have to accept it. That's how
we adapt, isn't it?
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: "I just hope that, before that happens, not too many lives have to be lost
: to it."
: So you are OK for lives lost AFTER many countries lifted their covid
: restrictions?
:
: at
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 114 Of course.
So...
Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
Undeniable. Unarguable. Scientific. Fact.
can
happen
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Eventually we will have to treat it as a big flu, unless the whole world can
: collaborate once and do together what China is doing, but that won't happen
: . Whether or not it is OK with me, we just have to accept it. That's how
: we adapt, isn't it?
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 115 but your "must die" list can be truncated, as vax have done.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Of course.
: So...
: Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
: Undeniable. Unarguable. Scientific. Fact.
:
: can
: happen
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 116 I never said people cannot get vaxxed...
I promote vax for high-risk people in all of my posts regarding vax!
However, if one is vaxxed, and still dies from covid, THEY MUST DIE!
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: but your "must die" list can be truncated, as vax have done.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 117 not just vax, other things can truncate your list.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I never said people cannot get vaxxed...
: I promote vax for high-risk people in all of my posts regarding vax!
: However, if one is vaxxed, and still dies from covid, THEY MUST DIE!
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 118 Maybe some other things.
Monoclonal antibody treatment? Maybe.
Promote a healthier life style and decrease obesity? Definitely.
Mask (non N-95) is not one of them, though.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: not just vax, other things can truncate your list.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 119 I hope LAUSD's cases among students and staff will not soar in the coming
days. Last week, LAUSD saw 3,186 new infections. If masks are not
effective, there should be thousands of new infections in the coming days
since each one of them had come into close contact with at least several
before being sent home. If the new numbers are not too large, I will have
to credit it to mask.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Maybe some other things.
: Monoclonal antibody treatment? Maybe.
: Promote a healthier life style and decrease obesity? Definitely.
: Mask (non N-95) is not one of them, though.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 120 Again you are looking at short-term numbers. And you are only looking at
schools...
But let's wait and see as you suggested, to check what's the effect of mask
mandates on case numbers in schools. (Although in a bigger picture, I don't
think it matters to how many people would die of covid in the long term.)
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: I hope LAUSD's cases among students and staff will not soar in the coming
: days. Last week, LAUSD saw 3,186 new infections. If masks are not
: effective, there should be thousands of new infections in the coming days
: since each one of them had come into close contact with at least several
: before being sent home. If the new numbers are not too large, I will have
: to credit it to mask.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 121 Of course, if the students' new cases in the coming days can stay low, it is
enough to conclude that masks, though many, if not most, are worn
improperly, are effective in stopping the spread of covid. Once a positive
case is identified, all the other students coming into close contact with
him/her are placed in quarantine, they are not allowed to go back to school
for a few days, and they have to be tested negative before returning to
school.
On the other hand, we have seen soaring numbers of infections among students
and staff in Atlanta school districts. If I remember the numbers right,
there were only a few thousands after the first week, but now there are
close to 20 thousand. We have seen the fast spread of covid in schools when
many are not wearing masks. I am pretty sure the total Atlanta school
districts have fewer students than LAUSD. LAUSD has over 664k students.
mask
t
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Again you are looking at short-term numbers. And you are only looking at
: schools...
: But let's wait and see as you suggested, to check what's the effect of mask
: mandates on case numbers in schools. (Although in a bigger picture, I don't
: think it matters to how many people would die of covid in the long term.)
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 122 I don't give a flip about covid spreading in schools.
IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYONE THAT WOULD DIE FROM COVID MUST DIE ANYWAYS!
If you are afraid to catch covid from your kid, don't put them in the school!
P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students in
close contact with a positive case.
is
positive
school
students
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Of course, if the students' new cases in the coming days can stay low, it is
: enough to conclude that masks, though many, if not most, are worn
: improperly, are effective in stopping the spread of covid. Once a positive
: case is identified, all the other students coming into close contact with
: him/her are placed in quarantine, they are not allowed to go back to school
: for a few days, and they have to be tested negative before returning to
: school.
: On the other hand, we have seen soaring numbers of infections among students
: and staff in Atlanta school districts. If I remember the numbers right,
: there were only a few thousands after the first week, but now there are
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 123 I am fine with my kids at school, at least now, since here in southern Cal
students are required to wear mask at school.
school!
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I don't give a flip about covid spreading in schools.
: IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYONE THAT WOULD DIE FROM COVID MUST DIE ANYWAYS!
: If you are afraid to catch covid from your kid, don't put them in the school!
: P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students in
: close contact with a positive case.
:
: is
: positive
: school
: students
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 124 >>>P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students
in close contact with a positive case.
---Still free to choose no-mask? Expedited path to herd immunity? Hasn't
Johnson given up on this? Has he reloaded it again?
school!
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I don't give a flip about covid spreading in schools.
: IT DOES NOT MATTER. EVERYONE THAT WOULD DIE FROM COVID MUST DIE ANYWAYS!
: If you are afraid to catch covid from your kid, don't put them in the school!
: P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students in
: close contact with a positive case.
:
: is
: positive
: school
: students
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 125 UK has lifted ALL covid restrictions as of July 2021.
Some reported UK government is OK with 50k deaths of covid per year.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: >>>P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students
: in close contact with a positive case.
: ---Still free to choose no-mask? Expedited path to herd immunity? Hasn't
: Johnson given up on this? Has he reloaded it again?
:
: school!
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 126 Yes, no mask mandate, no quarantine for primary contact. In at least one
Atlanta school district.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: >>>P.S. Some Atlanta area school has already stopped quarantining students
: in close contact with a positive case.
: ---Still free to choose no-mask? Expedited path to herd immunity? Hasn't
: Johnson given up on this? Has he reloaded it again?
:
: school!
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 127 are you for, against, or no opinion on this?
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Yes, no mask mandate, no quarantine for primary contact. In at least one
: Atlanta school district.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 128 I'm totally supporting it. That's the way to go.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: are you for, against, or no opinion on this?
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 129 I honestly hope the best for Georgia. I have a cousin living in the Atlanta
area. She has a one-y-o adorable daughter. Her family are hard core GOPs.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Yes, no mask mandate, no quarantine for primary contact. In at least one
: Atlanta school district.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 130 That's my guess. Just want to hear it from you.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I'm totally supporting it. That's the way to go.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 131 So you both are living in the place you liked. Good for both of your
families!
Atlanta
GOPs.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: I honestly hope the best for Georgia. I have a cousin living in the Atlanta
: area. She has a one-y-o adorable daughter. Her family are hard core GOPs.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 132 As I repeated again and again.
Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
Undeniable. Unarguable. Scientific. Fact.
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: That's my guess. Just want to hear it from you.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 133 No. I thought you are a reasonable person.
In term of covid, I am fine with Newsom. But I am a GOP leaner and am not
satisfied with most of what the Dems do. I am stuck in LA area simply
because of my job. Me and my wife many times talking about retiring in
Idaho, by the Snake River or near Sun Valley.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: So you both are living in the place you liked. Good for both of your
: families!
:
: Atlanta
: GOPs.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 134 I'm sorry to hear that from you.
But sadly we cannot get everything we want. Job, covid policies, etc. There
must be something you give in.
But at least you liked Newsom's covid policy. So that's a good aspect in
your life?
【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: No. I thought you are a reasonable person.
: In term of covid, I am fine with Newsom. But I am a GOP leaner and am not
: satisfied with most of what the Dems do. I am stuck in LA area simply
: because of my job. Me and my wife many times talking about retiring in
: Idaho, by the Snake River or near Sun Valley.
|
F********r
发帖数: 878 | 135 That's life.
Teenagers love to say "life sucks", so I have to borrow this phrase from
them.
There
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I'm sorry to hear that from you.
: But sadly we cannot get everything we want. Job, covid policies, etc. There
: must be something you give in.
: But at least you liked Newsom's covid policy. So that's a good aspect in
: your life?
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 136 More and more people realized this scientific fact. Just they won't say it
out loud. |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 137 Is there still people who disagree? |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 141 Most infectious experts agree. |
p**********t
发帖数: 50 | 142 Agree, as long as you can change the MUST category to validate your
statement.
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Is there still people who disagree?
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 143 Congratulations. You got the point!
The MUST category is decided by each of individuals themselves, not by
others. Your own choice will decide whether or not to get the vaccine,
whether or not to go to a crowded event, etc.
Don't bother others to "protect" you. You DON'T have the right to make sure
others don't have covid.
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: Agree, as long as you can change the MUST category to validate your
: statement.
|
f*********1
发帖数: 2518 | 144 恍然间以为身处中国八十年代初某大学自习室的英语角…… |
p**********t
发帖数: 50 | 145 You misunderstood my point, the category is defined by YOU, after each one
dies you include him/her into the category. If some measures save someone's
life, you just do not include him/her into your category. You Don't know
your list ahead of time. You know the list only after the facts.
Don't bother others to protect you? Then what's your purpose of wearing
mask when inside in public spaces? Protect yourself? Others? Kowtow to
the norm? Or just for fun? Don't tell me you have never worn a mask since
the pandemic hit.
sure
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Congratulations. You got the point!
: The MUST category is decided by each of individuals themselves, not by
: others. Your own choice will decide whether or not to get the vaccine,
: whether or not to go to a crowded event, etc.
: Don't bother others to "protect" you. You DON'T have the right to make sure
: others don't have covid.
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 146 I said "Don't bother others to protect you". I didn't say "Don't protect
others". Can you tell the difference?
I wear masks to protect others, when I want to. I NEVER asked others to wear
masks to
protect me.
's
since
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: You misunderstood my point, the category is defined by YOU, after each one
: dies you include him/her into the category. If some measures save someone's
: life, you just do not include him/her into your category. You Don't know
: your list ahead of time. You know the list only after the facts.
: Don't bother others to protect you? Then what's your purpose of wearing
: mask when inside in public spaces? Protect yourself? Others? Kowtow to
: the norm? Or just for fun? Don't tell me you have never worn a mask since
: the pandemic hit.
:
: sure
|
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 147 Yes, we don't know who will die before it happens. But people's chance are
different.
What I'm saying is that you HAVE TO roll the dice.
's
since
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: You misunderstood my point, the category is defined by YOU, after each one
: dies you include him/her into the category. If some measures save someone's
: life, you just do not include him/her into your category. You Don't know
: your list ahead of time. You know the list only after the facts.
: Don't bother others to protect you? Then what's your purpose of wearing
: mask when inside in public spaces? Protect yourself? Others? Kowtow to
: the norm? Or just for fun? Don't tell me you have never worn a mask since
: the pandemic hit.
:
: sure
|
p**********t
发帖数: 50 | 148 Want to. Good.
wear
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: I said "Don't bother others to protect you". I didn't say "Don't protect
: others". Can you tell the difference?
: I wear masks to protect others, when I want to. I NEVER asked others to wear
: masks to
: protect me.
:
: 's
: since
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r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 149 Just noticed you are Niner'sMJ
Glad that you agree that Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: Want to. Good.
:
: wear
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 150 你这话其实 一点也不科学，就跟 打一枪，再去画靶一样的逻辑，
起码大概 定义一下 什么杨人 “would”， 或者 人口中 多少 percentage WOULD ！
科学是 你给个“定义”“条件”“标准”等，然后 符合的，就 几乎一定是 导致什么
样的结果，
你这 充其量就是 一句 口号，而且 起坏作用的口号！
听起来是：该死于新冠，就必须死； 谁 “该”，什么样的 “该” ！？？
【在 r******i 的大作中提到】
: Just noticed you are Niner'sMJ
: Glad that you agree that Everyone that WOULD die from covid MUST die.
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r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 151 For your questions:
Old, fat, sick, unvaccinated people have much higher chance of dying from
covid.
In US, 100,000 more people would die (and MUST DIE) before the end of 2021.
Every year from now, 100,000 people in us would (and MUST) die from covid.
Does this answer your question?
My point is, and has always been, that covid deaths are INEVITABLE. DON'T
BOTHER PEOPLE with stupid covid rules.
"你这话其实 一点也不科学，就跟 打一枪，再去画靶一样的逻辑，"
I'm just saying any 靶 in a shooting range will be shot with many holes.
That's
inevitable!
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你这话其实 一点也不科学，就跟 打一枪，再去画靶一样的逻辑，
: 起码大概 定义一下 什么杨人 “would”， 或者 人口中 多少 percentage WOULD ！
: 科学是 你给个“定义”“条件”“标准”等，然后 符合的，就 几乎一定是 导致什么
: 样的结果，
: 你这 充其量就是 一句 口号，而且 起坏作用的口号！
: 听起来是：该死于新冠，就必须死； 谁 “该”，什么样的 “该” ！？？
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 155 依旧没有说明：什么人“must die” ？？
等于没说，我可以说： 任何人will die， NOT ARGUABLE! |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 156 For example, someone that is 84 years old and have blood cancer.
For example, 25% of 80+ elderly must die!
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 依旧没有说明：什么人“must die” ？？
: 等于没说，我可以说： 任何人will die， NOT ARGUABLE!
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 157 这样还可以，
我列出，高龄，高bmi，糖尿病，占俩的话，一旦感染 活下来的 机会一半吧，恢复的
后遗症也起码一半 |
r******i
发帖数: 1445 | 158 Immunocomprised people MUST die from covid!
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 这样还可以，
: 我列出，高龄，高bmi，糖尿病，占俩的话，一旦感染 活下来的 机会一半吧，恢复的
: 后遗症也起码一半
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发帖数: 1445 | 160 Have to claim it everyday. |
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发帖数: 1445 | 164 Have to emphasize it EVERYDAY! |
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发帖数: 1445 | 172 There is NO OTHER WAY! |
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发帖数: 1445 | 175 One thing that does not change. |
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发帖数: 1445 | 176 Omicron doesn't change it. |
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发帖数: 1445 | 185 Undeniable, unarguable scientific fact. |
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发帖数: 1445 | 192 No one can argue against it. |
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发帖数: 1445 | 194 There is no other way.
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