A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 1 what are you talking about?
by my standard, he is just doing fine.
the horrible 9 (450y) holes i listed before the open start, he just bogey 4
out of those 9 so far. and he didnt bogey any other holes not in those 9,
which is a good sign. as long as he can weather through the rest formidable
9
and pick up a birdie from 17 par5.
he should have no problem to make the cut.
and if he can pick another birdie out of 13 or 15, he would be on his way to
sunday contention. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 2 actually, white tee is not that easy too.
there is only two holes par 3 (#6, #8) could be called easy hole, but with
wind blow, they could become very hard as well.
given there are water/hazardous everywhere from all other holes, it is not
that easy to make a birdie from #2,#4,#5,#7,#9, you need at least two to get
on the green.
and #3 is 157 yards par3 over water and with bunker at other side of water,
the only way to make a birdie is to land on green which is not easy from 157
yards out.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 3 average score和场均birdie数关系不打。
有些球员的成绩，比如antony kim之流的，可能就是biride/bogey之间。
1个d-bogey,几个birdie都费了。 |
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R*****d
发帖数: 615 | 4 牛！
咱们就说周末三大台转播的pga比赛里镜头给得多的那些pro吧（基本上都得是大满贯得
主）。我觉得到他们那个水平来说，par 3/4/5没太多区别。par 3是必须一杆就打得很
准确，可是par 4/5是至少前两三杆不能失误，杆数多失误的概率和一杆没打准的概率
对他们来说应该差不多吧。
如果同一个洞让他们走10次，我猜5-6个birdie不成问题。
birdie。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 即使2者还是有很大的区别。但就10个洞我2-3个birdie而言，可能性还是有的。
当然，依然需要统计数据。。比如我重复10次 随便选10个洞，然后求平均birdie #/10
holes..
/round |
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y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 6 我觉得能否打2-3个birdie/任意十洞,还是取决于球场的难度. 如果SLOPE是113的球场,
有可能性意味着实际就是负5杆的水平,对于业余球手已属不易. SLOPE超过130,恐怕就
不容易了(即使专业球手也难达到). Tiger的Par 4 Birdie rate也不过是17.46%.
10 holes../round |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 7 我这半年练习场击球的时候，都不带手套。
也不是为了刻意的work on golf swing，就是傍晚出去呼吸点室外的空气。
下场打球我到是开球击球时戴上手套，但越来越觉得不自然，还是觉得空手可以。
今天打得skins game似乎彻底验证了区别。
我front 9打得特别差，可能是40吧，也和北风有些关系；back 9， 36 （even) , 2个
birdie. 2 个bogey。 一点都没戴手套。
我觉得主要区别是，戴上手套，我肌肉开始变紧张，身体多了些不自然的tension； 不
戴手套，就像我平时自己练球一样；即使我不做任何练习动作，站好了就击打，但
swing和那种control的感觉都很不错。 特别是几个back pin postion的approach shot
..
整场拿了3个birdie， 2个都是从par 5.
下次再试试不戴手套，看看有啥区别。
另外，我以为一起打球的近15位有着职业身份的球员打这个skins game就是玩玩的，结
果pro 告诉我，这里有3-4位就是靠这个谋生的。
他们之间的bet很多。像pro轻易的有4-5个bet(和4-5个不同的人。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 8 那怎么可能。
现在想把course弄难，就是在green和pin position上下功夫。
wet的果岭，那太容易不过了。 比如我们上周的skins game，果岭因为有high school
tournament而弄的wet了点，结果是birdie漫天飞。
我同组的一个拿了6个birdie - 一个可能只有1.65m的家伙， consistently overdrive
me like 20 yards, 26 岁。 |
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发帖数: 10701 | 9 I carried Tim most of the time. the two whites didn't turn in score. they
didn't break 90, I believe.
Tim shot 87.
I birdied two, had 3-4 times "one more roll it will be a birdies"
opportunity. |
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 10 actually, you are right, on 14 you were on in one and had a birdie
opportunity. on 17 you were a little of the green and had a birdie chip. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 11 thank you, this is big for me since i never made birdie on par3 before. my
previous only birdie was 298 par4 drove to green side. Here are some
pictures. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 12 shot 79 at Jimmy Clay golf course at yesterday's skins game.
it's like a perfect day in the winter season, 70s degree, a bit wind.
My skill is pretty much rusty. I have not played any round of golf in
the past month, and hit some range balls occasionally.
My putting rocks. I guess I am just so used to this kind of green. I
birdied three times from over 15 feet. and saved a bunch of pars from
over 15 feet.
My driver was bit of. it's not like I can't hit straight, but I can't
hit solid for some re... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 13 你朋友用铁杆主要是为了得分。 stiff 加上focus accurancy, 这就能导致短 10-20
yard.
我还没有在par3 上拿过birdie. 你就知道我的铁杆的准确度了。
打顺的时候方向和弹道还可以。
"100码和150码，打十个球有几个能落在5码之内" --- 这要很多练习和上场打吧。
我其实练习和打的都还不多。 score-wise 期望不高。 par3 和 approach, 只要上了
果岭就很好。 哪怕距离fringe 5 吗我都的ok.
偶尔拿个 birdie/par, hit relative straight & long at relative high %. 我就都很enjoy了. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 14 exactly. in the past 10 rounds, got many chances to reach par5 in 2 (range practice best shot distance for long iron hybrid fw). but always mess up hybrid, long iron or fairway woods for approach.
long par4 (400+ yard ) in 2 倒是比以前多多了, 毕竟wedge/short/mid iron 好打一些。
so i guess consistency & long hitting & decent short game & patience --->
frequent birdie @ par5.
not 2on green, as long as 2nd shot to chip or shot pitch distance, still
high probablity to score birdie. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 15 he go for green in 2 for what? for eagle? birdie? he was leading, he doesnt
need to take the risky shot, just as KJ did on last hole, if you are leading
, just try to play save, wait and see others make mistake.
given Tom's distance, it is hard to expect eagle from any par5, not to
mention it was late in the long day, and all the pressure mounted. The best
he can wish was a birdie, which he can layup and hope for the best for the
third shot to get close to the pin.
Btw, it is said that the dista... 阅读全帖 |
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O*****s
发帖数: 990 | 16 Yes they are both important but driving distance is far less important than
short games and consistency as
long as you pass 250yds or so.
If you look at the score cards of most majors and major tour events, where
you can earn a lot of points, the
winner scores pretty high since the courses are hard. This means if you can
make -1 or -2 everyday you will
win the game. The longest long pars will prevent shot drivers from making
eagles and birdies but not pars.
Making pars on par5 holes should be ea... 阅读全帖 |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 18 Believe it or not, putting is where games are won and lost. |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 19 Dustin Johnson is a great player and he has been in position to win a big
game like that a few times. We need to give him time and let him grow.
Sooner or later, he will win a big one for sure.
Anyway, on the Saturday's game, I had 45 on the front nine, 20 putts
including 2 three putts, and 40 on the back nine, 15 putts only. Good
putting always makes my scorecards look better. LOL.
he
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t***w
发帖数: 165 | 21 For those trying to break 90s consistantly, Frank has once again proves that
short game is the key to do so.
Good chipping around the green and pitching from inside ~100 yds would
almost guarantee you no worse than a bogey.
When I have no time to practice I work on my putting and chipping during
lunch.
of
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often. |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 22 Tiger sinks a birdie put on par-4 No. 10. Not only is it his first birdie of
the day, but his first since April. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 23 这个洞我打过好几回，好象只PAR过一次还是两次，没有BIRDIE过
我一般用3WOOD，要是没风，有时试试3H
TYPICAL OUTCOME是，球LAND在GREEN上，ROLL到后面，3PUTT回来
当然这是好的时候，不好的时候拉左，进BUNKER，或者丢球
记忆中的一次PAR，是3H，球在PIN HIGH的ROUGH，一切一推，再有一次就是GIR, 离洞
不是很远，求BIRDIE心切，结果两PUTT了
这个洞下午打的时候，由于有顶风，会比实际距离要远
用6IRON，我是想都不敢想
right side turns out to be the right strategy at this hole.
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 24 just had a chip-in birdie, i think the wedge will stay with me for a quite
while.
too bad, i still end up with 40 putts for the round even i birdie 2 holes. (
39 putts for 16 holes)
with
12 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 25 说明你的iron swing 比较稳定。
有些blade 带一些cavity， forgiving 一些。
短杆用 blade iron 还是可以， 事实上wedge 都没有cavity. 毕竟 pure blade iron
据说提供更多的feedback, 容易帮组形成好的iron swing。 （driver swing 恐怕另
外一回事）。 好的iron swing 要靠 par3 birdie 证实。 我以前一直用无名iron set,
结果现在都没有这类birdie.
我现在这套titleist dci 981 好像也是blade (带cavity shelf 和offset), 感觉还不
错。
5iron 以上 可能需要多一些cavity 了。 很多amateur 干脆就hybrid了。
最新的iron 太贵了。 性价比差一些。过几年在上used.
但是如果你 倾向买 brand new benz/ bmw, 那买最新的player tour version iron set
爽。
blade |
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l**********e
发帖数: 459 | 26 season结束有一段日子了， 大概从5月份开始，到10月份，6个月大概打了40多场
1.最大的成就
终于突破90了，一共有4次，发现都是下雨天或者阴天
2.最大的遗憾
还是没有摸到老鹰
3.最爽的一轮
平时去的最多的一个场子，连续par par birdi birdi par par。这场也破了90
4.最不爽的一轮
由此和一个阿叉一组，那哥们每次没打好，就重新原地打一个，成绩不计算重打，最后
还很得意和我吹牛。为什么不遵守规矩了，赢不是真正的赢，输肯定是真正的输。
5.最值得回忆的
在安省这边专业考级的一个球场，104 blue tee. 拿到目前唯一一个par when
scramble
6.最大的进步
7号杆之下有点信心了
7. 成绩最好
87
8. 成绩最坏
116 其中丢了12个球
9. 最期待的
冬天把driver练好，希望稳定在250有准头
10.最需要改进的
down swing的时候，有些early release
11.最顺手的杆子（今年下场尝试了很多不同的杆子）
ping k15
12. 最值得吹牛的
会折腾杆子了，reshaft,regrip,adjust l... 阅读全帖 |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 27 Back to back birdies is hard for me. I only had a few this year and never
ever birdied the last two holes.
ZJ
now, |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 28 应该是进步了，主要是长铁能够打的比较远，比较直。190码的Par3，有时还要防止打
过头。210码的Par3，即使距离不够，一般也是在果岭前边一点，那种切球，我比较有
把握，拿Par的机会还是有的。
以前，长的Par5，550码以上，我的策略是，三杆到果岭边周，争取切的好一些，拿Par
。最近几个礼拜是，三杆上岭，争取拿Birdie，虽然Birdie成功率并不高，可GIR明显
有进步。
确实像你说的，Driver和3W要对自己有信心。即使一杆打不好，要调整好情绪，打好下
一杆。周日的球，头一个Par5，开球开到隔壁的球道上，多花了点时间做第二杆的准备
和观察，3W开出了250码，留下一个很好打的60码球，并拿了个GIR. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 29 nah, 250 was almost his good/best shot for 3woods
it is much harder to expect "avg" 250 from 3woods.
I know pros can do it.
This year, Frys open, on Sunday, I follow Ernie after Tiger was done early.
Almost the whole crowd were rooting for Ernie as well. He was 2 shots from
the lead, on #16 par3, he hit a great tee shot and landed on green, maybe 20
feet from hole, but he missed the birdie putt so badly.
then #17 was a drivable par4, it was listed as 290 from tee. the same hole,
I watched Tiger,... 阅读全帖 |
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f*t
发帖数: 382 | 30 我没好意识说我的18洞最好成绩，只有78。总有连续几个洞打不好。比如一出界，2杆
没有了。
Scratch Player 非常的难。我觉得至少有每轮打3到5个birdie的实力才行。我现在是
birdie靠碰。
不过最近基本消除了double Bogey，这样成绩基本稳定在low 80s. |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 31 Scoring 89 is not bad at all. One birdie and 6 pars mean you have potential,
and you have the ability to make more birdies and pars in your game. If I
were you, I would go over the double bogeys or worse, and figure out the way
to minimize double bogeys and to eliminate the worse in the future. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 32 here, we usually play as a buck a hole as well.
but i think 1 yuan a hole doesnt work in china, you just cant find that many
1 yuan bill around. And in china, no one used to write down the scores and
calculate who wins what at the end.
ppl there just prefer to make deal in cold hard cash right after each hole,
which give you a tons of incentive to play well.
the first 3 holes i played in china was not well, but after every hole, i
was handed a 100 yuan bill just because I was at the right time a... 阅读全帖 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 33 is all about putting.
Few days ago, I had a round which started with a bogey, save par, some
double bogey and mixed with few pars. nothing terrible, and nothing good
either. then at #7 long par3, i was on the green with 5 feet putt. It went
in, i started to feel better with the birdie. After that it started getting
back with bogey, par, and some double bogey again. Until another hole,
approaching shot was landed at the edge of the green. Without give much of
thought, i putt it out and expect 2 p... 阅读全帖 |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 34 Two birdies in a round of golf is great. I haven't had two birdies in a
round for a while. In addition, my understanding is the good round menas to
score as single digits, and the mediocre 85 or higher.
getting |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 35 for me, i don't have that high standard as you. anything lower than 90 is ok
. of course, if it is easier course, should be 85.
I didn't finish that round, with 2 holes to play. and it was +15, say if i
par that both of those 2 holes, it would be a 87. without that 2 birdie, 89.
it was kind of mediocre round without those two lucky putts. In stroke play,
2 birdies only saved 2 strokes, but the feeling was much different than
just 2 strokes saving.
to |
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 36 Tiger bogey bogey finish even
Rory birdie birdie finish -1
Rory won. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 37 what i meant is range before course play takes longer time.
recently i usually go directly to first tee, just like you.
it seems that i start to find my best&consistent swing ever after
4 year casual golfing. with swing in better shape, i don't find range
course differ that much.
a little bit show off or some self learning experience sharing here:
Saturday 18 hole round at a 71.3/142 course， birdied #8 124y par3 with
6ft putt; lip out 5 ft birdie putt at #13 92y par3, miss judge the break
by a f... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 38 majority of my very few bird/eagle come from
very short wedge shot made possible by good drive on par4
or 10-20ft putt made on drive green on short par4
or 100 yard or so wedge shot on par3
if only made those memorable 4-10 feet putts, bird count would have doubled.
so to make more birds:
putter, wedge, driver are the clubs i practise mose.
unfortunately, iron PW-3i never produced me any birdie, but it did gave me 1-2 <10ft putt opportunities.
recently i saw some birdies made by partners, but mo... 阅读全帖 |
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C******s
发帖数: 1917 | 39 这两个星期五的下午，都是我带着孩子们地高尔夫九洞比赛。我给孩子们开出奖赏，如
果任何一人九洞总成绩赢我，我就带所有孩子们在他们所选的餐馆吃一顿晚饭，如果任
何一洞他们以birdie赢我，也有同样的奖励。但是如果我birdie赢洞的话，每次可以挽
回一个dinner credit。
没想到的是，两场九洞比赛下来，我累计下来输了4个dinner credits。第一次我40对
39惜败，今天下午则是40对36完败。今天这场球输得心服口服，老大两个bridie，两个
bogey，剩下都是par，我有两个double bogey，根本就没有胜机。
最小的孩子今天也跟着从红梯开球打完九洞，而且打出61杆的个人最好成绩。看来这个
“重赏”还是很有成效的，这个夏天应该把这个家庭比赛持续下去。 |
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t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 40 今天最大的错误是在hole #6 1W 开球birdie后，信心暴涨，在hole #8 (handicap #1)
又抽出driver, tee shot slice 入水，re-tee 用3W 又没打好， 雪上加霜3推，最后
+4。hole #9 接着掉链子。这两洞就+7。back 9 就老实了。一个birdie/par 都没有成
绩还好两杆。
最近光顾练习long clubs, 推杆生疏了。今天5个3-putt. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 41 9 个洞 －1
2 birdie, 1 bogey.
可惜后来有事没有打后9
Las Positas Golf Course, livermore CA 是一个相对容易的场地，选了黑T，rating/
slope 也不是很低
一上来其实不好，因为背伤没有好，DRIVE打不好，372的 slight dogleg right，用
driver开球后，还剩230, 3woods 抢了200, 结果到20－30的沙坑，沙坑救球也没上
green，在green边，原来打算一切一推保个bogey开场，结果切完，球很神奇的滚滚，
结果滚进去了，par
第二个洞是 515的par5，靠100的approaching, 3上,1推，birdie
从那开始，接下来可谓神勇加神勇， 唯一一个bogey是194的par3，开球开过了，一切
中旗杆，4~5尺，2putt
golf真是很神奇，原来只是打算恢复背伤，打打练习球，结果如有神助，打了我的最好
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y**d
发帖数: 2993 | 42 这个太夸张了
不过带我进league的那人说我进步挺快～昨天还打了一个birdie～还错失了好至少两个
birdie的机会 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 43 球员：Aff (西部联队80s组）
日期：09／18／2012
球场：The Links at Spanish Bay （http://www.pebblebeach.com/golf/the-links-at-spanish-bay）
球场长度及难度系数：6422码 GOLD: Rating 72.1 / Slope 136
总杆数：86
相对杆数（Gross Score - Course Rating): 86-72.1 = +13.9
(btw, do we use handicap?)
That is the famous Spanish Bay at Pebble Beach. And it was the second
courses we played at Pebble. After playing Spyglass from Back tee, we played
from Gold instead at the Spanish Bay. The view was breaktaking. The course
open as a par5 against wind... 阅读全帖 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 44 球员：Aff (西部联队80s组）
日期：09／18／2012
球场：The Links at Spanish Bay （http://www.pebblebeach.com/golf/the-links-at-spanish-bay）
球场长度及难度系数：6422码 GOLD: Rating 72.1 / Slope 136
总杆数：86
相对杆数（Gross Score - Course Rating): 86-72.1 = +13.9
(btw, do we use handicap?)
That is the famous Spanish Bay at Pebble Beach. And it was the second
courses we played at Pebble. After playing Spyglass from Back tee, we played
from Gold instead at the Spanish Bay. The view was breaktaking. The course
open as a par5 against wind... 阅读全帖 |
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C******s
发帖数: 1917 | 45 今天的球又是一场激烈争战。我们本地的两个一队，对外来的两位，Four Ball/Best
Ball, 没有让杆。
球场是这个：http://www.poundridgegolf.com/course ； 我们打的是Oak Tee，6773码，73.8/142, 距离不长，但是难度较高。
一上场俺们队就开门红，我的头四个洞是Birdie，Par, Par, Par。对方估计被我们的
气势给镇住了，而且对果岭速度也不太适应（今天果岭比较快，Stimpmeter估计至少有
11以上），连续三推。很快我们便领先四洞。
等对方稳住神，我们的优势就开始逐渐缩小，前九结束时我们还领先三洞，到了12洞我
们只剩下一洞的优势。13洞是个比较短的五杆洞，但是球道很窄，右边是荒草山坡(坡
上是红桩区），左边是hazards, 队友先开球入球道，我决定两杆争取上，一号木开球
。瞄准右边山坡想打draw，结果球直飞，正好落入红桩线内一米处坡上的很深的长草内
，找到球后，想用P杆打入球道，只听一声巨响，自己的球没出长草区，一块鸡蛋大的
石头却飞出几十米落入球道。怪不得这里设置了红桩，原来长草之下全市石块。下一杆
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发帖数: 276 | 46 Sunday (Oct. 28) morning, temperature @ 40~45 degrees, windy @13 mph, course
is wet & cart path only, 71.5/129 for blue tee ( about 6400 yards).
Due to cart path only, decided to use 3 wood to tee-off on all par-4 & 5
holes & intended to keep the ball on the fairway close to the cart path.
Finished 9 holes in 80 minutes!
Played front 9 holes (36 par). Scored 39 (+3) including one birdie, 4
bogeys and 4 pars. Executed 13 putts in total. Birdie on the only GIR hole
(par 5).
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发帖数: 276 | 47 Sunday (Oct. 28) morning, temperature @ 40~45 degrees, windy @13 mph, course
is wet & cart path only, 71.5/129 for blue tee ( about 6400 yards).
Due to cart path only, decided to use 3 wood to tee-off on all par-4 & 5
holes & intended to keep the ball on the fairway close to the cart path.
Finished 9 holes in 80 minutes!
Played front 9 holes (36 par). Scored 39 (+3) including one birdie, 4
bogeys and 4 pars. Executed 13 putts in total. Birdie on the only GIR hole
(par 5).
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发帖数: 3067 | 48 I checked my scorecards on that Sunol courses.
Turn out I played 2 rounds so far.
one round, 91, 38 putts, 3 penalties
another round, 88, 40 putts, with 2 birdies (if not that two birdies, that
would be at least 42 putts)
43 putts is a bit high, but it is about normal range for my putting. But 32
putts is a very extreme to me.
I played both Sunol and Sunnyvale before. It is normal to take 5 more putts.
我也认为推杆很重要， 什么时候32推，可能就有突破了 |
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发帖数: 1656 | 49 干脆贴一下计分卡
其实开场打得不错.第一个洞GIR miss birdie后我还说， bbs 上朋友说第一个洞
birdie 容易给后面的洞带来心理压力。（好像是 armix 说的） 所以par 最好。
麻烦在第6洞开始出现，莫名其妙4推。8-14 洞， 12除外，灾难频频。成了一个除了开
球以外啥也不会的。朋友只能一个劲的安慰。也是有趣，他昨天drive 完全失常但是
short game 却很好。正好与我的情形相反。
15洞又恢复正常，16洞抓鸟。
今天想了一下原因，我在周六练习开球后发现要改一下 pre-shot routine.这个改变对
开球很有好处，但是破坏了我 chipping 的节奏。这周需要去练习一下。为与 theyu
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发帖数: 382 | 50 今天和Pecad4在Coron, CA, Dos Lagos blue tee 打了一场, 这是我第一次打这个场地.
非常感谢Pecad4,在女儿刚满月的情况下和我泡在球场一上午,这是什么样的精神啊.
blue tee 6554 yard. par 70. front nine 34, back nine 36. rating 71.7/130
最终成绩81, front nine 42, back nince 39. handicap adjusted 68, my handicap
is 11.:(
主要是打爆了三个洞.
hole 4, 540 yard par 5. 由于右边是悬崖,所以用3 hybrid 开球.220 yard fairway
中央,bad bounce to the right. 马上就要出界. 正在庆幸,没想到第二杆右偏出界.最
后double bogey.
hole 8, 125 yard par3 back pin. pitching wedge 打长,然后bad chip, 在加上4
putts. triple bogey. 打完想死的心都有了.
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