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j********a
发帖数: 612 | 2 没有人能说borg, nadal只是clay court player |
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d**********9
发帖数: 5215 | 5 any reason he barely played AU? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 6 Because it was a convention at that era for top players.
Australia is on the opposite sphere of the globe, not really
worth giving up a cozy warm Christmas with family... |
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t****7
发帖数: 11132 | 9 现在和豆子比，不明显比霏霏挫了。不参加澳网，退役的太早，估计肠子都悔青了。 |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 11 again, i'm just playing the devil here, so...
At the end of the day - people only gonna look at head-to-head. 5 yrs from
now do you think ppl are going to remember the specifics? No. they gonna
go,oh, Federer is goat? what? howcome he has such a bad record against
Nadal then?
If we are gonna over-analyze, we may as well say that this whole GOAT thing
is completely meaningless - because back when Borg was playing - they don't
even really care about USO and certainly doesn't care about AO. |
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 12 Don't think Nadal is the GOAT on clay. Borg won more French titles than him.
It is very hard to tie the image of the GOAT to a counter puncher like Nadal.
Federer at his prime does have the image of the GOAT:-). |
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w**k
发帖数: 1455 | 13 Borg那个时候还没人care澳网呢，和现在有关系么？
现在的趋势就是奥运会金牌和大满贯一样受重视，否则Federer，Nadal，Djokovic，
Murray会都去？？奥运四年一次，一个职业选手一生也就2到3次参赛机会而已 |
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 14 nadal在红土的战绩足以称霸了。
就算以后有人能经常在红土打败他，凭他现在所有的记录，也足够跟borg争一争
红土goat了。 |
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t***s
发帖数: 1877 | 15 单看老牛在红土的成绩，公开赛时代也是排进前10了，在他前面的只有Borg, Nadal，
伦德尔，蔚蓝的，库尔滕，靠瑞尔，布鲁格拉，Kodes 这8个人。
他是草地和硬地专家的同时也是红土专家，这有什么矛盾么？ |
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J****0
发帖数: 2400 | 16 No such chance on men's side.
Borg came back in the early 90s around age 35 only to embarrassed himself. |
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 17 my Favorite too. Pete got several bh winners, AA is too good on return...
Just watched recent Sr. match between McEnroe and Borg. the old men played
soooo ugly, made me thinking: what FF and Rafa will look like 20 years later
? can we still believe they were the geniuses of tennis?
hoho, never got old... |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 most consecutive weeks in the top 5
Jimmy Connors 659 [Sep 24, 1973 May 05, 1986]
Ivan Lendl 588 [Oct 20, 1980 Jan 20, 1992]
Pete Sampras 491 [Jan 27, 1992 Jun 18, 2001]
Roger Federer 411 [Feb 17, 2003 Dec 27, 2010]
John McEnroe 398 [Nov 20, 1978 Jun 30, 1986]
Bjorn Borg 383 [Sep 27, 1974 Jan 22, 1982]
Stefan Edberg 373 [Aug 18, 1986 Oct 04, 1993]
Rafael Nadal 295 [May 09, 2005 Dec 27, 2010]
Boris Becker 209 [Jul 04, 1988 Jun 29, 1992]
Mats Wilander 205 [Apr 18, 1983 Mar 16, 1987] |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 Lendl has higher historical status than Connors -- more GSs,
more dominant among other top players.
Connors was not a god of that era, he had similar achievements
as McEnroe, and both of them were not as good as Borg.
My major point was that it is meaningless to look at the H2H
record of players that are from different age groups and then
draw conclusions. (Is Edberg much worse than Connors?) Some
people peak early, some late. It's different. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 Donnay Bjorn Borg, 78拍面。 |
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K****D
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 22 美网之后明明roger赢过joker的。。。
今年以来joker是很棒，不过roger也算不错啦。
反正roger现在早就不能象04－06那样统治了，做费粉的早就应该习惯啦。
事实上，真正能长时间统治网坛的，也就是laver，borg，federer等屈指可数的几个。
sampras都有点儿勉强。。。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 In fact, in the "domination" aspect, nobody comes close to Bjorn Borg,
hehe. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 24 1977年，Guillermo Vilas连续夺下7个冠军：Kitzbühel (clay), Washington
(clay), Louisville (hard), South Orange (hard), Columbus (hard),
US Open (clay) and Paris (clay).
1977年10月，Vilas携余勇参加了第8项赛事Aix-en-Provence tournament并
顺利打入决赛。决赛对手是Năstase。
Vilas惊奇的发现，对手用了一款意大利通心粉球拍。
（照片中的人并不是Năstase。此照片相关背景又是一个动人故事。）
他根本不知道自己面对着什么。
决赛是5盘3胜。很快的，Vilas以1-6, 5-7输掉了前两盘。此时，他愤然退出，
因为被诡异的超强topspin摧残得不成人形。 于是，史上第一的连胜46场纪录
以及当时的泥地连胜53场纪录便成为了历史。
这场比赛之后，Vilas又连胜了28场并夺下5个冠军，直到总决赛半决赛被
Borg击败。
第二年，通心粉穿线被ITF永久封禁。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 25 The point is McEnroe beats everyone at his age, because he has
the best 技术。。。
Lendl, Borg, Wilander什么的现在好像都略逊于McEnroe. |
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n********r
发帖数: 4558 | 26 Hope he will not be like Borg. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 27 其实不见得。
历史上很多牛人不重视AO. 比如Connors一辈子总共参加过两次AO, 一次冠军
一次亚军。同时他缺席了大概40%的FO.
Borg一辈子总共参加过一次AO. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 29 http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/05/Features/Djokov
0 - Double faults in Australian Open, Dubai and Miami finals combined
1 - Grand Slam title
2 - Wins in 2010 Davis Cup final
3 - Victories over No. 2 Roger Federer
4 - Victories over No. 1 Rafael Nadal
5 - Wins in under 60 minutes
6 - Different Top 10 players beaten in 2011
7 - Singles titles
8 - Games lost to countryman Viktor Troicki in 3 matches
9 - Sets lost... and also sets won 6-0
10 - Wins over Top 5 opponents
11 - Losses befo... 阅读全帖 |
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n********r
发帖数: 4558 | 30 Female Borg on mitbbs tennis board. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 还有McEnroe!
Borg is not Dunlop. He is Donnay. |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 32 it reminds me when Roger mess around with Pete, that was when Roger started
losing his dominance.
Uncle Tony and Nadal are more savy in this regard, they never mess around
with Borg. |
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m*******r
发帖数: 481 | 33 举家全部压上参与外围赌球,赚了个盆钵满地, 比拿N次冠军赚得还多.
hehe, 阴谋论, 开玩笑.
Fed 又何苦呢,不肯成人之美, 呈一时之快, 却徒让 Nadal大满贯冠军数逼近自己,还成
红土之王,总体上超越Borg.
Nadal 经此一役, 重获信心,也从小德的追击中得到喘息,小德势头受阻, Nadal 一旦大
满贯冠军数逼近 Fed, Goat将重新争论. |
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n********r
发帖数: 4558 | 34 on men's side:
Borg did it 78-80
Nadal 2008, 2010
Federer 2009
not sure about women
position
hitter,
winning |
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B*****s
发帖数: 492 | 35 先不管谁的粉呀，黑呀，李娜夺冠意义是重大，我想说的是，菲菲夺冠，意义也重大，
再次超越大满贯数量，小德夺冠，人第一个法网，穆雷夺冠，人第一个大满贯，豆子老
面孔了，平了borg的记录，红土之王了，为啥要提议把男子冠军去掉？ |
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n********r
发帖数: 4558 | 37 这么说好像Borg也是，在场上喜怒不形于色，冰人。
可能控制情绪到了极端都会有点吧,据说Mcenro经常乱说话也是调整情绪的一个方法。 |
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 38 在我看来nadal是生不逢时的典范。
以他的先天条件，根本就该是宇宙无敌大goat。
it不管早生几年，还是晚生几年，成就都该比现在大。
不过这么年纪轻轻就拿到全满贯，也可以聊以自慰了。总算比borg运气好。 |
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y*****8
发帖数: 18140 | 39 给大家发个atp上关于No1的统计，看起来Novak算是大器晚成一辈,他“统治”的星期能
超过double digits or triple digits么？
THE NUMBER ONES
Following is a list of the 25 players who have ranked No. 1 in the history
of the South African Airways ATP Rankings (since 1973):
Player (Country) Reached No. 1 Age Total Weeks
Novak Djokovic (SRB) July 4, 2011 24 years, 1 months 1
Rafael Nadal (ESP) Aug. 18, 2008 22 years, 2 months 102
Roger Federer (SUI) Feb. 2, 2004 22 years, 5 months 285
Andy Roddick (USA) N... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 40 In that case players <= 180cm include the following all court
players:
Connors
My definition of 3 groups:
S&V: Sampras, McEnroe, Edberg, Becker
Baseline: Lendl, Borg, Nadal, Agassi, Courier, Kuerten, Wilander
All courts: Federer, Connors, Hewitt*, Năstase, Roddick*
*: These 2 could also be baseline. I am not sure.
There seems to be no significant difference between the heights
among different groups. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 //sigh, Borg用的Donnay可非偶这个Donnay啊。。。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 42 Poly.
This is not a "chicken or egg" question.
Some points I don't agree with you:
1) Most importantly, I always assume 器材决定打法, not the
opposite. Lendl时代职业网球已经很完善，顶尖选手的打法是数以
几十万职业选手摸索检验出的适应当时器材的最容易出成绩的打法。
2) Lendl时代的小力拍，Control只有比现在更好，而不是更差。Borg
可以很轻易打出50回合以上。当今比赛能打到30回合都很罕见。偶自己
用的25年前的拍子，感觉最不缺的就是控制方向能力。
3）Windshield wiper之所以Lendl时代不存在，是因为打不出来。你去
找一块木拍（65拍面，18x20）试试就知道了。古典拍缺的就是力量，
你还要靠windshield wiper用力量换旋转，基本上是自杀。
windshield |
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发帖数: 25274 | 43 Rod Laver 1969年,第二次一年夺取4大满贯.现在的BIG 2要beat 他还有很多路要走,老
三就算了...
...In 1969, Laver won all four Grand Slam tournaments in the same calendar
year for the second time, sealing the achievement with a four-set win over
Roche in the U.S. Open final. He won 18 of the 32 singles tournaments he
entered and compiled a 106–16 win-loss record. In beating Newcombe in four
sets in the Wimbledon final, he captured the title at the All England Club
for the fourth consecutive time that he had entered the tournament... 阅读全帖 |
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a******n
发帖数: 5925 | 44 Thank you for voting!
Roger Federer 71.52% (25,121 votes)
Rafael Nadal 11.56% (4,059 votes)
Pete Sampras 6.51% (2,286 votes)
Rod Laver 4.1% (1,439 votes)
Other: 2.85% (1,000 votes)
Bjorn Borg 2.82% (992 votes)
Don Budge 0.09% (33 votes)
Jack Crawford 0.06% (21 votes)
桑椹第三。 |
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B**********r
发帖数: 7517 | 45 要比颠峰状态，不是今天一点的状态：
Federer: 100
Nadal: 100
Joke: 95
Murray: 60
也许：
Sampras: 99
Borg: 98
Agassi: 95 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 46 小孩打双反是在arm the ball. 他们还双正呢。
偶已经提过证据了，木拍年代绝大多数是单反，包括老太太。只有Borg
这种壮汉才敢双反，而且他那个最后随挥还是单反风格的。球速慢，有
足够时间准备的情况下，单反发力明显省力阿。 |
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f******g
发帖数: 13917 | 47 现在剩下5男5女了：
5 women left - King, Court, Evert, Navratilova, Graf
and 5 men - Nadal, Borg, Sampras, Laver, Federer |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 48 10, Nadal
9, King
8, Evert
7, Borg
6, Navratilova
5, Court
4, Graf
3, Laver
2, Sampras
1, Federer
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f******g
发帖数: 13917 | 49 top 10 出来了。
10 - Billie Jean King, USA
9 - Chris Evert, USA
8 - Margaret Court, AUS
7 - Bjorn Borg, SWE
6 - Rafael Nadal, ESP
5 - Pete Sampras, USA
4 - Martina Navratilova, USA
3 - Steffi Graf, GER
2 - Rod Laver, AUS
1 - Roger Federer, SUI |
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 50 老头老太们未必答应，他们认为给nadal一支木拍，borg会always win in straight
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