w**k
发帖数: 1455 | 1 对中国人来说，clerkship更没意义，big law firm placement更重要，UCLA，UTA
placement根本比cornell差很多
合评价还是14名上下。比较中国人JD，我心目中T14去掉康乃尔后，再加上UCLA和UTA，
康乃尔排15以后。
中国人去年前年都被康大录取了。 |
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D********g
发帖数: 32 | 2 看了这个贴才知道为什么李法师曾经拥有众多粉丝
现在还是有那么几个所一年级底薪超过160K,如Boies, Bickel, W&C, Wachtell,
Kellogg 等等
不过要说是十年前底薪175K这是不可能的（当时行情是125K）
做了很多年associate才去做的叫career clerk 待遇不错 但竞争程度和刚毕业或毕业
不久去做clerkship的不是一个档次上的(假设是同一个法官的话)
法官助理根据法庭所在位置和法庭档次 有着极大的区别 也不是所有的都很难申请
这个圈子认识我的人很多 欢迎人肉 不过还是要提醒一下 你还是有可能是在和律师打
交道 有可能砸饭碗的事呢三思 |
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S****r
发帖数: 472 | 3 JD plus Post-JD (fed clerkship or academic fellowship) or a PhD in another
field (e.g. economics) |
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A*****W
发帖数: 382 | 4 外国人主要就两种途径:
1:JSD/SJD
2:JD+PHD
美国人主要是：
1，JD（HONOR）
2，JD（CLERKSHIP）
3，JD+LLM/SJD OR JSD
4，JD+PHD
5，JD+MD |
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r*****e
发帖数: 381 | 5 美国JD是以培训课程为主的基础法律学位,所以读这类课程之前需要很强的美国社会文
化理解能力,语言身份支持,还要在毕业时凭借极高法律成绩和推荐,再获得高端法律实践平台(法官助理,检察官助理,顶尖律所的从业经验),这之后才有可能成为美国法学院教授.美国JD做教授之前,大部分人履历上都有CLERKSHIP和名校HONORS+顶尖律所.这种履历是极少JD才能获得的机会.所以不等于拿到JD就可以做教授.
检察官助理薪酬很低,却是美国JD从政很浓重的一笔,他会吸引很多优秀美国JD加入,最后成为检察官和议员等等.
这就是为什么看起来美国人拿到JD好像很万能,而外国人拿到JD却万万不能的原因.
由于这层特殊性,所以现在美国法学院的外国人教授,基本都是JSD或者PHD+JD.国内学生,加拿大人和香港人打算在美国读书后回国作法律系教授,基本都是SJD,JSD.
你目标是回国做律师和教授?
国内律师: 国内内所和外所需要有经验的LLM,要多于没有经验的JD.而且即使那时候你
能成为律师,届时35岁且无律所法律经验的你要从低年级律师做起,可能工作环境和工作内容,与你现在很多的期望会有偏差.
国内教授:这几年国... 阅读全帖 |
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k*****1
发帖数: 454 | 6 谢谢你的回复，里面有用的信息很多。我在欧洲念过一年的LLM，学的是欧洲法，当时
对竞争法，尤其是反垄断这一块非常感兴趣。
你知道美国的律所一般都是什么样的人在做反垄断的官司?我觉得反垄断法在国内是一
个全新的领域，未来应该机会很大。你知道国内律所在这方面的情况吗?多谢！
实践平台(法官助理,检察官助理,顶尖律所的从业经验),这之后才有可能成为美国法学
院教授.美国JD做教授之前,大部分人履历上都有CLERKSHIP和名校HONORS+顶尖律所.这
种履历是极少JD才能获得的机会.所以不等于拿到JD就可以做教授.
最后成为检察官和议员等等.
生,加拿大人和香港人打算在美国读书后回国作法律系教授,基本都是SJD,JSD.
作内容,与你现在很多的期望会有偏差.
有高级美国法律从业经历和理论积累的JD毕业生资质太浅.除非国内京沪港以外的地方
法学院,也许有机会给JD作教授. |
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D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 7 I don't know why my post was deleted yesterday, anyway here is the link
again, hopefully it will be useful to help you decide which law school to go
to, since public interest is not really an option for most chinese students.
Remember especially for HYS lots of students prefer public interest and
clerkship (due to political ambition (Yale!!!) or some other reasons), they
are not interested in big law. But for most other schools it do give you a
pretty accurate probability.
http://www.law.com/jsp... 阅读全帖 |
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l********d
发帖数: 443 | 8 如题，有人知道吗？
另外，federal court的clerkship申请资历要求有多高？是不是law school成绩要特别
好？
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.3 |
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l********d
发帖数: 443 | 9 Any green card holder has ever applied for federal clerkship? Please chime
in! |
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a**********m
发帖数: 2098 | 10 让他/她去找个judicial clerkship，最好是federal circuit court一级的，之后再去
big law，几年后争取找个faculty职位
个人认为这是5-6年之后可以过得比较轻松惬意的一种career path
对于Chinese native的我们大多数人来说，这个是不太可能了 |
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v******0
发帖数: 883 | 11 英美法最赚钱的就是打重要诉讼,去法院作CLERKSHIP是怎么回事?其实将来进法学院就
全明白. |
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m****n
发帖数: 263 | 12 问下法学院的师兄师姐们，暑期实习，internship或者Externship，judicial
clerkship,reseach assistantship等等，都需要CPT，OPT吗？如果H1b兼职读的话，不
能用OPT,CPT，律所可能给办H1b part time之类的身份吗？怎么处理?谢谢！ |
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V*****r
发帖数: 216 | 13 LOL second!
读Law的绝大多数是本科useless liberal art毕业生，有能力读医，商的，谁还读法学
院啊。
但有一点我对前面那位回国创业的女JD的观点很赞。律师并不是每个读法学院学生的最
终职业目标。她讲的是用美国T14 JD的训练和牌子在国內创业。我女儿今年毕业(non
－T14，但有3/4 ride，有circuit clerkship和BL Offer在手。她从小的职业目标是娱
乐界，大学在好
莱坞实习期间发现很多影视制片人都有JD，问电影发行公司一位总裁(NYU Law)，他告
诉她打进娱乐圈最重要的是两个(不是指天才艺人)：Network and Money，a few years
lawyering gave u both。从实习回来，女儿决定改读Law，在娱乐圈先干几年律师。 |
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V*****r
发帖数: 216 | 14 LOL second!
读Law的绝大多数是本科useless liberal art毕业生，有能力读医，商的，谁还读法学
院啊。
但有一点我对前面那位回国创业的女JD的观点很赞。律师并不是每个读法学院学生的最
终职业目标。她讲的是用美国T14 JD的训练和牌子在国內创业。我女儿今年毕业(non
－T14，但有3/4 ride，有circuit clerkship和BL Offer在手。她从小的职业目标是娱
乐界，大学在好
莱坞实习期间发现很多影视制片人都有JD，问电影发行公司一位总裁(NYU Law)，他告
诉她打进娱乐圈最重要的是两个(不是指天才艺人)：Network and Money，a few years
lawyering gave u both。从实习回来，女儿决定改读Law，在娱乐圈先干几年律师。 |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 15 如果去的法学院不是 Top-14，甚至不是 Top 50，没有很强的 patent 背景，希望你们
能避免弯路。下面的故事读起来像小说，但是我可以告诉你们，非常现实。
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1905801&forum_id=2#20761498
In a couple short weeks, a new wave of hapless lemmings will crack open the
shrinkwrap on those heinously overpriced casebooks, boot up their laptops
for some heated note-taking, and commence their voyage down the road of
America’s most overrated, miserable, and saturated industry: the practice
of law. A pompous, overpaid professor will sau... 阅读全帖 |
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k**********n
发帖数: 438 | 16 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
nabla (nabla) 于 (Thu Jul 17 19:46:54 2008) 提到:
Apply a ECFMG number first online and it took 6-7 business days for me to
get it.
Apply online and print out the 186 form after the application. For clerkship
, I put approximate time period (e.g. 2m or 4m) for 内外妇儿.
1. Form 186, notarized (with a photo on it)
2. Form 344
3. Original Diploma in Chinese, 2 copies
4. Certified translation of diploma ( I asked the translator to put "
bachelor of |
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d**********e
发帖数: 72 | 17 from Jeff Wiese's Clinical Clerkships: The Answer Book, page 26
1. Play as a team: try to make team members look good; respect everyone;
respect hierarchy, even if you dislike your superior; even the worst
attending can teach you lessons about things you do not want to emulate when
you become an attending yourself.
2. Be honest: even the best interns forget to check a lab result. But never
lie.
3. Communicate
4. Show up early: show up early for pre-rounds so that you have more to
offer in work r |
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d******a
发帖数: 127 | 18 To docrockville
regarding Jeff Wiese's Clinical Clerkships: The Answer Book, page 26
My post based on ten Chinese interns in my program in past 3 years.
1. Play as a team: try to make team members look good; respect everyone;
respect hierarchy, even if you dislike your superior; even the worst
attending can teach you lessons about things you do not want to emulate when
you become an attending yourself.
> 51% CMGs are good team players.
2. Be honest: even the best interns forget to check a lab r |
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n***8
发帖数: 634 | 19 今天在ECFMG 网上报名，发现有些问题, 请各位指教:
１．是国内临床医学本科, 是bachelor degree in clinic medicine 吗？
２．Internship 和 clerkship 有啥不一样, 国内本科就是毕业前轮转一年,算哪一
种啊？ |
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e********e
发帖数: 435 | 20 I think it is equivalent to the rotations 3rd and 4th year med students do.
If so, it should be considered part of clerkship. Internship is the first
year of residency. I am not sure how much it matters when it comes to
applying for taking Step 1. I don't want to mislead you. Someone please
correct me if it is incorrect. |
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l*******8
发帖数: 290 | 21 To gylwjq
Sorry, I don't know. In my transcript there's no items about clerkship
either. I've already added you to my friend list. Keep in touch. |
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e*********r
发帖数: 221 | 22 今天收到ecfmg 8位号码,开始网上报名,先填了1年的internship,后来发现又出来了个
clerkship,
好像和internship比较像.请问这里大家都是怎么填的? |
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f*****w
发帖数: 1451 | 23 intership不一定需要，clerkship就是实习，一年时间，每个大科室都要填的 |
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a***n
发帖数: 428 | 24 clerkship等于国内实习
internship 无所谓
ECFMG 2009 Information Booklet 上有解释（PDF 18页，print的第5页） |
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p****s
发帖数: 940 | 25 我问过美国MD，internship是指住院医第一年轮转，读MD期间的实习应该叫clerkship. |
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h****o
发帖数: 163 | 26 多谢二位的指点和帮助。
谢谢！！！
clerkship. |
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b******r
发帖数: 12 | 27 大家好，本人国内医学院最后一年，准备来美做elective rotation（clerkship），赚
USCE和
LOR，顺带考step2 cs。
听doctorstudent网站上说cleveland clinic对很IMG friendly~
havard和brown的tuition fee都太高了，暂不考虑。。
初步意向是cleveland clinic（ohio）、芝加哥的西北大学、mayo clinic三个里面选
一个，
做1个月到两个月。
各位前辈有什么建议和值得推荐的好地方？ |
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t*******i
发帖数: 60 | 28 eric 能否再给解释一下
subinternship, elective, advance elective, specialty rotation,clerkship
有哪些能用在我们这些老CMG身上呢？
thanks |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 29 Wow, is this an exam? Haha.
Clerkship - our third/forth year clinical rotations. Under physicians' supervision
we can have some hands-on clinical experiences.
Elective - this is relative to the "required" or "core" rotations. In the
third year our core rotations are IM, Peds, OB/GYN, surgery, Psych, and
primary care. Our available electives are Neuro, anesthesiology and radiology.
In the forth year, we can select pretty much any specialties, such as Orth,
plastic, nuclear medicine, Rad Onc, Derm |
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E*******9
发帖数: 152 | 30 请已经办过California Letter的同志们看看，
L5 Form: do I have to fill in hours for clerkship instead of weeks?
I read from the 精华区 that it is required of hours... However it was not
mentioned in California Medical Board website or DigitalDoc blog...
feel a little bad, just had the form signed and mailed out after lots of
efforts...
will appreciate any thoughts and comments.
thanks! |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 31 L5: Weeks or Weekly Clinical Hours - either way should be OK. Using weeks could be better as the clinical courses shall total a minimum of 72 weeks in length.
One week of clinical clerkships equals 32 hours. |
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w********7
发帖数: 46 | 32 没必要写成residency吧，算作clerkship？或者没必要挑出来说？ |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 33 Not a big deal. Usually "work experience" is for a paid position and it's not a necessary part of the education/training plan. Clerkship and residency are not work experiences. Try to avoid repeating the same thing in CAF.
school the clnical track also work in the hospital. Can I put it in the work experience too? Thanks. |
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f*****w
发帖数: 1451 | 34 实习一共才52周，需要加上见习吗？还有那些elective需要32周，是必须满32周吗？
我知道每个学校不一样，但是不知道谁可以提供一份大致的科室时间安排表呢？想借鉴
一下。
万分感谢！ |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 35 52 weeks are not enough so you should include other clinical trainings. The requirement for PTAL:
A. Instruction in the clinical courses shall total a minimum of 72 weeks in length.
B. Instruction in the core clinical courses of surgery, medicine, family
medicine, pediatrics, obstetrics and gynecology, and psychiatry shall total a minimum of 40 weeks in length. Electives fill in the remaining time (for a total of 72 weeks).
C. Specific minimum length of clinical courses:
- Surgery : 8 Weeks
- Me |
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f*****w
发帖数: 1451 | 36 Thanks a ton!
大家的学校都是有准确记录的吗？我们学校可能办这个加州信的很少，没准学校压根就不知道怎么填。也不知道如果我自己填（编）好了，他们会不会给盖章。
The requirement for PTAL:
in length.
total a minimum of 40 weeks in length. Electives fill in the remaining time
(for a total of 72 weeks). |
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r*********s
发帖数: 1027 | 37 你先自己填，如果他们给盖章最好，不同意的话就让他们填。
就不知道怎么填。也不知道如果我自己填（编）好了，他们会不会给盖章。
time |
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L********a
发帖数: 576 | 38 好像中国的医学院没有设家庭医学这个学科的吧，在医院里也没见有这个科啊。是只有加州这样要求，还是都这样要求呢？
The requirement for PTAL:
in length.
total a minimum of 40 weeks in length. Electives fill in the remaining time
(for a total of 72 weeks). |
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f*****w
发帖数: 1451 | 40 好象98年5月以后毕业的就不需要了。可是我们都是6月毕业，和美国不一样，搞不清需
要不需要阿。不过family medicine用见习的时间填好象可以吧。我都不记得什么时候
见习和具体科目了。只有编了。
有谁刚毕业的，能给说说就好了。我毕业年限太久了。
有加州这样要求，还是都这样要求呢？
time |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 41 No such a requirement for other states.
有加州这样要求，还是都这样要求呢？ |
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l****u
发帖数: 35 | 42 califoronia letter 是什么呀？是match的时候要用的吗？ |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 43 This is a special requirement by California State. If you want to match to
any CA programs you will need a California letter. |
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l****u
发帖数: 35 | 44 我注册了ecfmg的网站，选择我所在的学校的时候，由于我的医学院（我是武汉同济的
）是合校了的，就有两个可以选择，一个汉口的的医学院的地址，一个是华科的地址，
应该选哪一个啊？这里有同济的校友吗？
然后想报名考试要填一些个人信息，Date you completed requirements for the
final medical diploma是填本科毕业的时间吗？Title of medical degree 也是填本
科吧？我想问问为什么7年制和八年制要填本科啊？是因为他们不承认中国的医学硕士
和博士学位吗？
还有，I was required to complete an internship prior to receiving my medical
diploma
是填yes还是no呀？因为我看了精华区的帖子说我们毕业前的那不叫internship，叫
clerkship，那是填no吗？
和I was required to complete government/social service prior to receiving my
medical diploma是 |
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w*********d
发帖数: 397 | 46 我也是湘雅毕业的， 借人气来问一下， 大家clerkship都是如何填的。 |
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b****e
发帖数: 227 | 47 wangwangkid,
我的clerkship就大致按照实习每个科的时间算了算填的，或者你去精华区搜搜看有没
有更详细的指导。 |
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E******g
发帖数: 9 | 48 我不在美国，如何联系在毕业前到美国做一轮临床实习？clerkship，谢谢！ |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 49 No way, don't thinkl about it!
unless you have a big cow to support you. If only "you think", then, it's a day dream.
Only possible for FMG to have clinic clerkship in US is the one from Carrabian country's med students whose med school usually contracted and recognized by some US med schools. |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 50 As Dok pointed out this is not easy for Chinese schools. Chihpengc did
clerkship in US but he comes from an Australian medical school. You may ask
him for details. Some IMGs come to the States for observerships. This will
also be helpful for the match. |
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