l******i
发帖数: 4666 | 1 新浪科技讯 北京时间3月23日下午消息，在遭到同性恋权益保护者的抗议后，苹果已
经撤下了专为iPhone和iPad开发的“同性恋治愈”应用。
这款应用是由一家名为Exodus International的基督教团体支持的。但目前已经有
超过14.6万人签名要求苹果删除该应用。
这款应用2月15日开始在苹果App Store中销售，但周二晚间却无法下载。苹果尚未
对该应用引发的风波发表评论。
苹果一直以来都对应用进行严格审核，以确保不会包含冒犯性和下流的内容。
Exodus International的应用被苹果评级为“4+”，表明苹果认为这款应用不包含任何
令人厌恶的内容。
请愿者周二晚间仍在继续签名。在发现该应用已经无法下载时，他们写道：“这是
否意味着苹果已经应14万多用户的请求撤下了该应用？很难说，苹果尚未发布官方声明
。在他们发布声明前，我们必须要继续施压。” |
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发帖数: 623 | 2 推荐大家去看看One Nation Under God
大量篇幅去讲这个exodus international
这个机构的两个cofounder Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper意图拉直同志
高调反同了好长时间
回头两人反而爱上了，又离婚又出柜又结婚，反而成了pro-gay的急先锋
可笑的同时也蛮可悲的
是gay不是gay对他们其实不重要，一切只是他们政治生涯的一个小棋子而已
很多政客都是这样，没什么立场，一起唯利是图
还采访了现在exodus的一些ex-gay和ex-ex-gay，那个president中性的一塌糊涂，看
到最后也没搞清楚是男的还是变性人
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发帖数: 2153 | 3 基督邮报
2012-06-30
“走出埃及国际组织”（Exodus International）主席钱伯斯（Alan Chambers）
本周三在第37届年度“自由大会”上讲话，分享该组织为什么不再使用“修正治疗”（
reparative therapy）帮助那些挣扎于同性吸引力的人，而使用更加聚焦门徒培训的模
式来代替。
图：“走出埃及国际组织”（Exodus International，36年的去同性恋国际组织）的主
席钱伯斯（Alan Chambers）正在这这一组织的标志下讲话。
钱伯斯告诉基督邮报，“修正治疗”寻求通过咨询和祷告等活动来“治愈”同性间
吸引力，给人不切实际的期望，会让治疗最终失败。
“作为走出埃及的主席，还有一名总是站在人前的基督徒领袖，我有责任诚实透明
地带领并和人们分享：只因为你成为了一名基督徒，你的挣扎不一定会消失，”他说。
“你还是会再受到试探。”
钱伯斯说，任何仍然相信并支持“修正治疗”的人不再被允许在“走出埃及”使役
，他们可以加入很多其他相信这种疗法的事工组织。他也强调，“走出埃及”并非反对
咨询，只是反对这种特别的咨询。
在对付同性吸引力方面，... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3803 | 4
Proposition 30 and the Great California Exodus
November 07, 2012 01:35 PM EST
Proposition 30 passed in California Tuesday, increasing both income and
sales taxes under the guise of funding education. Even Governor Brown
himself, who begged Californians to pass the tax increase, seemed surprised
he was able to pass it. "I know a lot of people had some doubts, had some
questions, can we really go to the people and ask them for a tax?" The truth
is that by referring to Prop 30 as a "millionaire ta... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 5 BY: Abraham Rabinovich
January 12, 2015 5:00 am
JERUSALEM—Israeli analysts on Sunday accused the French security apparatus
and the French public of paying scant attention to Islamic terror directed
at Jewish targets in recent years, in stark contrast to the outrage and
massive police reaction that followed last week’s slaughter of journalists
at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo.
Columnist Alex Fishman, who writes on security issues for the Tel Aviv daily
, Yediot Achronot, said that French ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 6 How Chicago "Works": Tax and Graft; Who Benefits?
On October 28, the Chicago City Council passed the largest property-tax hike
in modern city history by a vote of 36-14, approving Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s
2016 budget proposal.
Taxpayers will have to fork over another $588 million property-tax hike to
be phased in over the next four years.
Some businesses and taxpayers will simply flee, joining what now is best
viewed as the "Great Illinois Exodus".
Taxpayers Lose, Who Wins?
Someone always benefits f... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 7 素鸡不是吃素的，从她老爸联日抗英白手建国就看得出这家人不是力薄肉傀儡。
Aung San Suu Kyi blames world conflicts on illegal immigration
NAYPYITAW, Myanmar – Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi said the world is
facing instability and conflict in part because illegal immigration spreads
terrorism in a speech Monday that comes as her country is accused of
violently pushing out hundreds of thousands of unwanted Rohingya Muslims.
Suu Kyi did not directly mention the refugee exodus as she welcomed European
and Asian foreign ministers to Nay... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5488 | 8 给力啊，媒体。
Stocks May Have Seen Highs For Year—But Not Lows: Pros
Despite the market's recent rally, stocks may have seen their highs for year
, while it's less clear if they've hit their lows, several technical
analysts say.
Biggest Fund Exodus Since '02
Are Markets Back to Normal?
Don't Be Fooled by Rallies: Rough Road Ahead for Stocks
Volatility Sparks Biggest Fund Exodus Since 2002
More Employees Bid Farewell to Corporate America
Debt Crisis Could Be Turning Point for US-China
For C... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 177 | 9 zz
Statement of Judiciary Committee Chairman Member Lamar Smith Subcommittee on
Immigration Policy and Enforcement Oversight Hearing on “STEM the Tide:
Should America Try to Prevent an Exodus of Foreign Graduates of U.S.
Universities with Advanced Science Degrees?”
For Immediate Release
October 5, 2011
Contact: Jessica Baker, 202-225-3951
Statement of Judiciary Committee Chairman Member Lamar Smith
Subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement
Oversight Hearing on “STEM the Tide: Should... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3365 | 10 我华夏和犹太人其实都是多灾多难的民族。
当年犹太人客居埃及，被古埃及人打压，吃尽了苦（中国的半殖民地半封建社会一百年
）。摩西横空出世，他要为这个民族打出一块真正属于自己的生存空间，要把犹太人带
回到那个“流着蜜与奶的土地”（共产主义），于是开始了Exodus（两万五千里长征）
，路上历尽艰难险阻，但是犹太人始终团结在他身边，他们也曾犹豫过摩西的信仰和能
力，但在西奈山，摩西和上帝定下契约（1949年天安门城楼开国大典），确立了这个民
族的生存法则，摩西真正成为了犹太人空前绝后的英雄（太祖在建国后的领袖地位），
在约旦河东岸，小亚细亚地区，犹太人回到了自己的家（两弹一星和完全的工业化系统
）
然而摩西死后，犹太人过着纸醉金迷庸庸碌碌的生活，他们忘记了祖先exodus一路的艰
难险阻，两代人之后，背叛的时刻终于来临。犹太人开始咒骂和埋怨摩西，再法利赛人
（右派公知）的不断唆使下，他们撕毁了摩西当年和上帝的契约，开始了偶像崇拜和“
新神”，其代价是惨重的，他们甚至砸碎了当年摩西立约的石板，当灾难再次降临，上
帝重申开启律法时代的一刻，某些犹太人终于幡然醒悟，重新请回他们这个民族的真神
，一... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3857 | 11 前天我在youtube上一开始查Exodus找到的就是这个，我也没有听就给你回帖了，后来
想想还是听一下再说，一听确实是Exodus，不过那乱哄哄的背景音乐实在有点不喜欢，
所以又找了一个原版的，把我的原来回帖改了。 |
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发帖数: 25262 | 12 现在巨富们和 NASA 都想办法逃离地球到火星去，因为人类最终会被理科，原子弹毁灭：
““Humankind evolved over millions of years,” he observes. “But over the
last 60 years, atomic weaponry created the potential to extinguish ourselves
. Sooner or later we must expand beyond this blue and green ball, or go
extinct.” So does Petranek. “There are real threats to the continuation of
the human race on Earth, including our failure to save the home planet from
ecological destruction and the possibility of nuclear war,” he writes. “
The first hu... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 921 | 13 In that case, you might like Maksim's Exodus, in which he played the piano
like Yanni did.
But, it is not so calm.
Do you smoke? When I first heard the beginning of Exodus, it reminded me the
music once used in Marlboro's commercials - a theme from The Magnificent
Seven, which is another quite good one indeed.
By the way, when Declan Galbraith was very young, his voice was almost like
a sound from the paradise, for example,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6IBdHW_rY
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发帖数: 155 | 14 lol thanks,
but check this out,
Exodus 20:2–17
Yeah, its a quote from Bible.
17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your
neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything
that belongs to your neighbor.
The funny part is, if you search Exodus 20:17, google will list this as
highest return.
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your
neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or
anything that bel |
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s*****n
发帖数: 325 | 16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay_movement
People who no longer support the ex-gay movement
Main article: Ex-ex-gay
Günter Baum originally founded an ex-gay ministry in Germany. Later he
formed Zwischenraum, which helps gay Christians to accept their sexuality
and to reconcile it with their beliefs.
Anthony Venn-Brown is a former Australian evangelist in the Assemblies of
God and an author whose book describes his experience in Australia’s first
ex-gay program.[29] Venn-Brown co-founded "Freed... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9485 | 17
可以啊，包子？
First, consider the soul. You may remember that the Bible was originally
written mainly in Hebrew and Greek. When writing about the soul, the Bible
writers used the Hebrew word ne′phesh or the Greek word psy·khe′. These
two words occur well over 800 times in the Scriptures,
refer to People:
“In Noah’s days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried
safely through the water.” (1 Peter 3:20) Here the word “souls” clearly
stands for people—Noah, his wife, his three sons, and th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1179 | 18 Romans 9:15: 因为他对摩西说：“我要怜悯谁，就怜悯谁；我要恩待谁，就恩待谁。”
Romans 9:15: For he said to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have
mercy, and I will have
compassion on whom I will have compassion. (AKJV)
Exodus 33:19: 耶和华说：“我要使我的一切美善都在你面前经过，并且要把我的名字
耶和华在你面前宣告出来；我要
恩待谁，就恩待谁；我要怜悯谁，就怜悯谁。”
Exodus 33:19: And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before you, and
I will proclaim the name of
the LORD before you; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and
will show mercy on whom I will
show mercy. (AKJ |
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发帖数: 9567 | 19 A jealous God
ASV
Exodus 20:5 ASV - Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them,
for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of
them that hate me,
Exodus 34:14 ASV - for thou shalt worship no other god: for Jehovah, whose
name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Deuteronomy 4:24 ASV - For Jehovah thy God is a devouring fire, a jealous
God.
Deuteronomy 5:9 ASV - thou shalt not bow down thysel |
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发帖数: 72 | 20 Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
Exodus |
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发帖数: 38403 | 21 4) Miscellaneous Murders
More of Samson's Murders
(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30
murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he
reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of
the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is
consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him
was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it
killed... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4956 | 22 聖約思維，聖約生活﹕聖經神學之邀
COVENANT THINKING AND LIVING:
AN INVITATION TO BIBLICAL THEOLOGY
I. 聖經神學是什麼？What is Biblical Theology?
II. 耶穌基督與舊約聖經Jesus Christ and the Old Testament
III. 舊約聖經的主題The Main Theme of the Old Testament: Covenant
IV. 聖約思維與聖約生活之邀Invitation to Covenantal Thinking and Living
I. 聖經神學是什麼？What is Biblical Theology?
1. 聖經神學與聖經研究（解經）不同。
Biblical Theology is not the same as "Biblical studies" (exegesis).
「歸納法查經」是一個很普遍的查經法。
"Inductive Bible study" is a common way ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1776 | 23 CHAPTER V
Of Providence
I. God the great Creator of all things doth uphold,[97] direct, dispose, and
govern all creatures, actions, and things,[98] from the greatest even to th
e least,[99] by his most wise and holy providence,[100] according to his inf
allible foreknowledge,[101] and the free and immutable counsel of his own wi
ll,[102] to the praise of the glory of his wisdom, power, justice, goodness,
and mercy.[103]
II. Although, in relation to the foreknowledge and decree of God, the first
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发帖数: 1776 | 24 No Reverse
September 17, 2011 — by Dave Branon
Our Daily Bread Radio is hosted by Les Lamborn
Read: Exodus 16:1-12
You shall know that the Lord has brought you out of the land of Egypt. —Exo
dus 16:6
Bible in a year:
Proverbs 27-29; 2 Corinthians 10
The first time I saw her, I fell in love. She was a beauty. Sleek. Clean. Ra
diant. As soon as I spied the 1962 Ford Thunderbird at the used-car lot, her
shiny exterior and killer interior beckoned me. I knew this was the car for
me. So I plunked dow... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 57 | 25 From Bad To Worse
September 24, 2011 — by Julie Ackerman Link
Our Daily Bread Radio is hosted by Les Lamborn
Read: Exodus 5:1-14,22-23
I am the Lord; I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptian
s . . . and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm. —Exodus 6:6
Bible in a year:
Song of Solomon 4-5; Galatians 3
It happened again. I got the urge to clean my office. Before I could resist,
I had created an even bigger mess than I started with. One pile turned into
many piles when ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 25615 | 26
are
你有興趣的話自己查。 多給你幾個好了
這些章節明示或暗示罪會遺傳
Genesis 9:21-25
Genesis 20:18
Exodus 20:5
Deuteronomy 5:9
Exodus 34:7
Numbers 14:18
Deuteronomy 23:2
Deuteronomy 28:18
1 Samuel 3:12-13
2 Samuel 12:14
2 Samuel 21:6-9
1 Kings 2:33
1 Kings 11:11-12
1 Kings 21:29
2 Kings 5:27
Isaiah 14:21
Jeremiah 16:10-11
Jeremiah 29:32
Jeremiah 32:18
Zephaniah 1:8
以下這些說罪不會遺傳
Deuteronomy 24:16
2 Kings 14:6
Jeremiah 31:29-30
Ezekiel18:20
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发帖数: 933 | 27 他不是在戒网么
so, let me try post two verses, all from NIV.
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Ezekiel 18:20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not
share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the
child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD
your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the
parents to t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 57 | 28 The Tales Of Two Sticks
September 27, 2011 — by Albert Lee
Our Daily Bread Radio is hosted by Les Lamborn
Read: Exodus 4:1-9,17
You shall take this rod in your hand, with which you shall do the signs. —E
xodus 4:17
Bible in a year:
Isaiah 3-4; Galatians 6
Conventional wisdom questions how much can be accomplished with little. We t
end to believe that a lot more can be done if we have large financial resour
ces, talented manpower, and innovative ideas. But these things don’t matter
to God. Consid... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 137 | 29 Someone previously asserted that God commanded Abraham to burn Issac and
used it as proof that God ordered his people to do evil things. Quote of
the question:
"What about Abraham? Did God not command him to burn his son Issac as a
offering? Yet you clearly write with emphasis that God "NEVER" command "
anyone" to do such a evil thing."
My personal answer is below.
First of all, Bible clearly says that God tested Abraham (Genesis 22:1 “
After these things God tested Abraham …”). There is a di... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1153 | 30 大地海洋是神迹，高山江河是神迹，圣经里描述过类似飓风和地震的神迹。但我个人没
有依据说hurricane katrina和汶川地震是不是神迹。哪些人说是神迹，你可以和他们
讨论。
神是公义全能的，不会滥杀无辜。只要人相信神，愿意悔过，接受耶稣基督的救赎，没
有什么罪不能饶恕。神有喜怒，但对人的爱永恒。你忘记了这些：
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my
commandments.(Exodus 20:6)
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
and that will by no means clear the guilty;(Exodus 34:7)
And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my
commandments.(Deuteronomy 5:10)
Know therefore th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 149 | 31 前些日子有篇帖子《创世记为什么遭人反对 -神创论到底反对了哪些信仰？》，我对其
第八条关于多神论和一神论感到困惑，希望能和大家共同探讨。因为和原题有些偏离，
所以重开一版。
版主曾指教，最能证明一神论的就是《十诫》的第一戒：
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
而在我看来，这却是多神的证据。因为此句说明耶和华是承认有别的神的，在这里说到
了“other gods",如果这些“other gods"是不存在的，他完全可以直接了当地告诫大
家"there is NO other gods",何必说什么放在前面后面。既然耶和华自己也承认其他
神的存在，那不是多神论吗？还是我对“一神论”的定义误解了？
再回到创世纪，我们会发现很多多神的迹象。当创世纪说神创造了天地和人的时候，并
没有说他叫什么名字，到了大功告成之后，才有一个叫耶和华的神出来，具体告诉你他
怎么造了亚当夏娃。而开始的那个“神”，无论是否包括耶和华，至少不止一个神。耶和华神有名字这
件事本身就意味着有多个神，名字是用来区别同类的。
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发帖数: 5785 | 32 你有这个疑问很正常，因为你在多神文化里生活，这种文化包括无神论。为什么这样说
呢？这就要理解什么是神，神和你的关系是什么。
看中文圣经不是很清晰，因为没有大小写的区别。估计“上帝”版的圣经会好些，我用
的是“神”版，你自己可以去查阅一下“上帝”版。英文，包括你提供的经文都是，基
督徒的信仰独一真神都用大写，或者首写或者全拚；对主这个字也是如此。而对不是独
一真神的被造界，圣经也有许多地方用“神”或者“主”来表示，这时的描述对象实际
是人或者天使。
关键是对独一真神，人要遵从敬拜,作生命主宰；对其他任何人或者天使，都不能这样
，当然一般的服从和尊敬是另一回事儿。
如果你真的很想知道为什么神只有一位，作为你生命的主宰，建议你认真学习圣经，这
是最佳途径，也是我个人的经历。只有你自己有了正确的基础之后，网上的讨论才对你
起正面作用。
版主曾指教，最能证明一神论的就是《十诫》的第一戒：
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
而在我看来，这却是多神的证据。因为此句说明耶和华是承认有别的神的，在这里说到
了“other g... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 642 | 33 Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a
person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old
and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages,
and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat
them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.
Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of
slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured
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发帖数: 3382 | 34 To Rosamond
首先我觉得你简单的说两句忽略了很多首贴里面的问题，我希望你一一回答
为什么圣经会让一些人真诚的相信奴隶制是上帝认同并默许的？他们也同时在圣经中找到了依据，这说明什么？
为什么反对奴隶制和歧视妇女的进步力量，他们的信仰支持几乎全部来自新约？那旧约要不要考虑？这是不是圣经自身的inconsistency和contradiction？
如果一个信仰是绝对公义的，它为什么会在奴隶制问题和妇女平权问题上给人错误的教导和暗示？一个绝对公义的道德体系，为什么会在这些重要问题上表现得如此模棱两可，甚至落后得让人厌恶？
当代基督徒为什么要对圣经的教导做cherry picking？我承认你可以在一些章节中找到当代社会认同的价值观，我的问题是，为什么对那些明显不被认同的价值观视而不见？
现在来回应你的回帖：
先来质疑你一个陈述
“不信教的人也有很多极端分歧。你怎么能说极端分歧的根源是宗教或者是神，而不是人呢？”
你没有理解这个问题的本意，这其实是我的point，不应该是你的point。
为什么这么说？我的说法是人本身也可以发展出morality，人在道德上有分歧是正常的。
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发帖数: 38403 | 35 是这段么？
Question: My question is for professor Dawkins. Considering that Atheism
cannot possibly have any sense of absolute morality, would it not then be
an irrational leap of faith, which atheists themselves so harshly condemn,
for an atheist to decide between right and wrong?
And here is Dawkins' answer:
The absolute morality that a religious person might profess would include
what, stoning people for adultery,
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that
committe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 36 那是你自己的理解。跟基督教无关。你在反你自己的理解。自己慢慢反吧。
ESV study bible
Ex. 4:21
The hardening of Pharaoh’s heart is referred to throughout chs. 4–14 with
the implication that Pharaoh is answerable for his own actions (e.g., 8:15)
.
However, the Lord states here that it is his sovereign hand that ultimately
governs the events.
法老自己心硬：
Exodus 8
15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was a respite, he hardened his heart and
would not listen to them, as the Lord had said.
32 But Pharaoh hardened his heart this time also, an... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 37 那是你自己的理解。跟基督教无关。你在反你自己的理解。自己慢慢反吧。
ESV study bible
Ex. 4:21
The hardening of Pharaoh’s heart is referred to throughout chs. 4–14 with
the implication that Pharaoh is answerable for his own actions (e.g., 8:15)
.
However, the Lord states here that it is his sovereign hand that ultimately
governs the events.
即使按你的歪理邪说，那么法老如果自己不心硬不就没事了。
法老自己心硬：
Exodus 8
15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was a respite, he hardened his heart and
would not listen to them, as the Lord had said.
32 But Pharaoh hardened ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 592 | 38 Exodus 21:2-11:
“If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the
seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone
, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go
with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or
daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only
the man shall go free.
“But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children
and do not want to... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 39 耶和华：你们要生养众多
保罗：若他们常像我就好
大师听从哪一位？ 你们这所谓一致性么，打脸的可就数不胜数了
John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and
live."
John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God [
Jesus], he hath seen the Father."
I John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time."
vs.
Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face."
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend."
Isaiah 6:1... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 40 这种翻译似乎跟任何一种其他的翻译都很不同。
NET bible 上有这样的解释：
47 tn The verb form used here is אֶהְיֶ&
#1492; (’ehyeh), the Qal imperfect, first person common singular, of the
verb הָיָה (haya, “to be”). It forms an
excellent paronomasia with the name. So when God used the verb to express
his name, he used this form saying, “I am.” When his people refer to him
as Yahweh, which is the third person masculine singular form of the same
verb, they say “he ... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 41 那是你自己的理解。你在反你自己的理解。
ESV study bible
Ex. 4:21
The hardening of Pharaoh’s heart is referred to throughout chs. 4–14 with
the implication that Pharaoh is answerable for his own actions (e.g., 8:15)
.
However, the Lord states here that it is his sovereign hand that ultimately
governs the events.
法老自己心硬：
Exodus 8
15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was a respite, he hardened his heart and
would not listen to them, as the Lord had said.
出埃及 8:15
15 法老看见灾难已经过去，便又硬着心，不肯听从摩西和亚伦的话，正如耶和华所言。
32 But Pharaoh h... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 42 这是中译本的一个意译，目的是为了让读者更容易理解圣经。而英文版本没有这样翻译。
但是这个问题是很普遍的问题，google一下就可以看到解释。我这里把NET bible的解
释粘贴过来，希望您能了解的更深入。
God gave Moses a preview of all that would take place in his dealings with
Pharaoh (vv. 21-23). When God said He would harden Pharaoh’s heart (v. 21),
He was not saying that Pharaoh would be unable to choose whether he would
release the Israelites. God made Pharaoh’s heart progressively harder as
the king chose to disobey God’s will (cf. Lev. 26:23-24).
“The hardening of Pharaoh is ascribed to... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 43 话说回头，根据现在的考古证据，没有证据证明摩西带犹太人出埃及，没有证据亚伯兰
入侵伽南地区。
更多的证据是犹太人是伽南地区的原居民。很自然，他们乘传了乌加里特（Ugarit）神
话，相信多神教，一般是单一主神教（henotheism ），即是他们相信一个他们自己的
神，但是并不排挤其他的神。他们相信至高者分天下的时候，是把七十个国家分给了他
的七十个儿子，于是，每个城邦有他们自己的神。耶和华正是至高者的其中一个儿子（
参考乌加里特出土的泥板KTU 1.1 IV 14—“神（至高者）的儿子的名字——耶和华”
）。
有了这样的背景，申命记32:8-9读起来也很自然了——至高者把全世界分给他的七十个
儿子，耶和华得到了他应有的本分（雅各——即是以色列）。
至于犹太人，他们之前是一个北方的以色列国，一个是南方的犹大国，北方的神是 El
，南方的是耶和华。他们有着相似的神话，所以有了两个版本的创世纪和大洪水的传说
。由于不互相排挤其他的神，不同城邦的人，他们说“亚伯拉罕的神和拿鹤的神”（创
世纪31：53）也是很顺其自然的事情了。
他们真正统一起来是他们在公元前七/六世纪被巴比伦灭国后的事情。犹... 阅读全帖 |
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