f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 2 AA are good when you push more than 1/8 of your stack
preflop, that's why small stacks have an intrinsic advantage against
big stacks cause big stacks usually play a loose game against small
stacks. It's fine to limp with AA when there are a few
players who like raising preflop on button to steal, you can give a huge
reraise and cut down their implied odds and make their calls
not profitable. For a 100 bb buyin, the comfortable zone for AA
is when you put more than 12 bb preflop, or you only lim |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 3 If he just cold call the preflop and try to trap later. This board will
pretty much freeze up.
The preflop 4bet preflop significantly narrow down the caller's range so the
decision is easier in the later stage. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 4 Weak? Strong? Or hard to say? What kind of hand do you think he has? (mid
pair, top pair, nuts, etc.)? (assuming reasonably deep and similar stack in
all examples)
1. You raised preflop with position. he called. Then he bet the flop first.
2. preflop all folded around. You (small blind) called, then he (big blind)
raised to more than 3BB.
3. preflop, someone raised to 3BB, he (small blind) called. big blind has
yet to act.
4. He bet the flop, you called. Then he went allin at turn.
Does the game |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 5 我最后一手AJ allin，心里感觉应该是ahead的，但因为自己不是对子，ahead一般也不
会太多（除非对手正好是Ax）。后来对上KQ，输掉allin。
我其实一直在考虑另一种打法，就是preflop先call，然后flop不管什么牌都allin（co
mmitted），好处是对方miss flop后，很可能会fold掉。坏处是原来preflop可能会fol
d的牌现在反倒hit上了。但hit和hit top pair还是有区别的，所以我觉得这种preflop
先call（特别是对方已经raise时），afterflop再allin的打法有其道理，特别是当你
的筹码在8-15BB时。
你们说呢？ |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 6 第二个问题，关于AK flop TPTK后如何避免被对手set搞死，有一个大概的原则：
AK的TPTK要争取让在终锅的付出少于或等于你10倍的preflop raise。如果大于，对手
可以打败TPTK的可能性极大。
假如你preflop raise到12，就要争取你river后的总投入小于120。如果超过了120，对
手多数情况下是可以打败TPTK。（至少2 pair）
如果flop前你和对手heads-up，每个street后你都bet half potsize，对手在任意一个
street raise你一下，你的付出就要超过10倍原则。
所以TPTK牌型应该避免在每个street上都bet。最好是preflop raise，然后bet flop，
check turn，bet river (or call river, if opponent bet first)。
然而check turn会造成给给对手free card。这个时候就要权衡一下，到底是给free
card危害大，还是bet all streets然后被set或者2pair搞死危害大。
Harrionton在他的c |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 7 我只打6 MAX,9人桌没有经验,只有TOURMANT的经验. 也没看过多少书,说的这些可能书
上都说过了,但这是我自己总结出来的,希望和大家交流.
打6人桌一定要AGGRESIVE,大家有好牌的概率都低,关键看怎么打. 我PREFLOP上手的牌
RANGE很广,23,46,57,这样的,位置好都可以看看,属于LOOSE AGGRESIVE打法,不过在大
场收敛一点,起手牌起点高一点. PREFLOP要么FOLD,要么就RAISE,我一般RAISE三倍BB,
如果别人RAISE 2倍或者4倍BB,我就CALL.拿到大对QQ,KK,AA,我先RAISE的话也是三倍,
永远不变,别人先RAISE的话,有时我RAISE,有时就CALL,MIX PLAY,看位置和人数,人多了
必须RE-RAISE,赶出去几个.
碰到PREFLOP RAISE,然后第三者RE-RAISE很大,明摆着那人是一大对或者AK,
我如果是小对必跟;
如果是10以下的SUITED CONNECTOR必跟;
如果是10以下UNSUITED CONNECTOR或者差一格的,我有时也会CALL,凭感觉了,
有时候感觉来了,35 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 8 第一次是mid pair加open ended straight draw，flop和turn都bet了，在turn被allin
（对方是mid set）；另一次是AQ vs AK，flop是AJx，turn是J，river是blank，对方
out of position，preflop raise了3x，然后一路bet，river allin。
第一手是对方allin时知道自己落后，但决定赌一下5+8个outs（实际是只有8个outs）。
第二手是preflop我就念叨，flop出Q是好牌，出A要谨慎（还有一个call preflop
raise的，不过在flop fold了）。对方turn bet size差不多80% pot，我其实那时想
fold了，因为我感觉只能beat AT（更小的Ax不太可能），但还是call了。到了river他
all in时，我有点抱侥幸心理：万一对方是驴用Ax和你乱来呢？想了好一会儿决定赌了
。这个完全不冷静，其实对方有J的可能性最大。
这两手我不算完全commit，最后还是可以抽身的，以后除非odds够好，不能用draw
call allin了（ |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 9 这段时间打rush poker的感受。 现在基本在river，对手pot size bet, 我如果只是
top pair，多半会fold, 除非前面对手有明显bet draw的举动， 而river没有成形，
我会call一下。
另外AA/KK/QQ的大牌， 一定也要慎重， 如果preflop raise了， 自己的range就很明
显， flop后对手如果有了two pairs or set， 就可以肆无忌惮的raise你， 这时候最
好fold。 我前期几把AA preflop raise到10bb, 被人用33/88等小牌call过，然后他们
flop set,我flop pot size bet被他们check raise, 由于不能fold, 输的很惨。
AK是一手很trick的牌， 我现在基本都只是正常的bet 3bb, 如果被人raise， fold/
call各占50%, 看当时位置和对手风格。 Rush poker里面， 大多数人比平时tight,
preflop的raise多数是有强牌， KK/AA的可能非常大， 如果对手是AK, call了基本也
是tie, 无利 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 NL0.25/0.5
KK at EP.
preflop raise to $2,MP reraise to $5,I call.
flop small rainbow, I check, the guy bet $12.5, I think for a while and fold.
这牌我是不是preflop reraise更好一点?不过我觉得他preflop reraise我,flop bet big已经给出足够信息.如果他flop bet小一点,我就很麻烦.
QQ at button.
The guy before me raise to $1.5,I reraise to $3.5, he call.
flop small rainbow,he bet $6,I allin, he fold.
因为我reraise他只是call,所以基本上排除他有AA,KK. |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 11 我打的6max
第一手我主要是想和short stacker preflop all in来着。。没想到后面那个cold
4bet了。。 后来short fold了。。 我call 了 button是AJo riverJ
55那个，K出来以后我觉得我的bet是value bet .. 不过赶上那个人是K3... short
stacker button也steal啊。。我可能应该preflop allin...
Kj那个我打的太烂了，我选择了pot control 因为我觉得我只能赢QX和KT ..
然后river 8 sb bet 按照我的思路我应该fold ，因为这时候QX和KT 都应该ck to
showdown。。 我没坚持住call了.. 输给了86... 我应该坚定打法。。如果会call
river 其实应该在turn 2nd barrel... 这把最烂了。。
我发现我对short stacker好像 push的太狠了，如果我是AJ+，A5s+ KQs，55+我都想和他们
preflop all in ...
fact utg looks real strong to |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 What I try to say is if you 3 bet vs a steal, you should raise bigger to end
the hand right there. If you want to use position, then don't blow up the
pot preflop without planning to go all the way (your chance of hitting K is
not often enough to make this profitable). The deeper the stack is, the more
position advantage there is. To blow up the pot preflop with a marginal
hand is negating your advantage.
It is much better to flat preflop and call off your stack when you do hit K.
If not you can |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 totally wrong about this hand, just ship it preflop. I take down the pot.
I play perfectly before this hand. I raise a lot, take down a lot of un-
contested pot.
I really donot know why I do not ship this hand preflop.
I play final 2 tables perfectly. I raise 5 of 6 times on the final table
bubbles, get a lot of free chips.
On the final table, before this hand, I raise a lot , and get a bunch of foldings, should say it is perfect before this hand.
I should ship this hand preflop, then ship it al |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 14 Similar with Stud, you need a very good memory to play well.
And preflop, you need memorize how many aces or low cards show up. For
example, if you have duece, and saw another duece shows up, then your pair
up deuces chance are low.
Similarly, if you do not have duece, however, two dueces show up preflop,
then your chance to catch up duece is slimer.
In later position, if you have akt, k28, ACE or deuce face up, you can
steal the pot by potting it preflop.
Position is very important, if you get... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 I had a hot start this month again, but then a huge downswing hit me. I am
struggling to make a profit for this month. Both cooler and variance of
playing preflop aggressively are catching on to me.
The good thing is that I am finding a few extra leaks and problematic play
now since I start to play preflop aggressively. I am making adjustment as
we speak. Have to find a banlance between spew and aggression as always,
preflop or postflop.
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D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 16 A Foolproof Strategy for Wild Games，就是一个对付狂野 game的傻瓜战术。
小标题是Buy in a little shorter and get your money in early with good hands,
应该是说，开始少买进，然后用好牌赢最开始的启动资金。
文章如下：
最近，我玩了个狂野的2-5无限。最大买进是500，但是整个桌子上至少有8000元。有4
个人手里有1500以上。这样的桌子，要么是已经开了很长时间，要么是人们不停的 all
in，筹码在不同主人的手中快速更替，不断有人输光了再买。
但一般说来，松而凶的选手是最可能赢最多钱的。
还是回到我的2-5 game。我一般会买最多的量-500，给自己最大的赢的机会。但我的傻
瓜战术是只买300，就是60倍的BB。上篇我说了，经常买比最大值少一点的筹码去搞定
他们。因为少了可以变多，而多了却不能拿走，除非输掉。
60倍BB是这个战术的第一步。
在这样的可以 game里，许多人非常松，你的RAISE 也很难打走人。我上去先输了一手
，我对J被一个56给干掉了，他2付对。观察了一会后... 阅读全帖 |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 17 i have a question.
is it OK to fold preflop oop?
i dont like the call preflop anyway. opponent may have AK also and we will
have fewer outs to hit a flop.
our only hope to win sth big is if he has AQ and we both hit Ace on flop.
But this is like a set-mining. too expensive to call preflop.
strong hand if he 3 bet
flop is
posted. A hand that is played well in control. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 18 nice results guys.
bigslick, You can play pretty much all stack size profitably at 2/5. You
just need to know how to play your stack correctly. In fact, I think 20bb
stack might work very well at those tables, but the way you were playing it,
it was way too passive. The main advantage of being a short stack is that
you can push allin preflop with decent hands and take down the pot preflop
or get it HU allin with someone where a lot of dead money is on the table so
you don't need to win nearl... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 20 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:42:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
昨天实在按捺不住POKER瘾，尽管老公极力阻止，还是开车一个小时跑到local casino
去玩了一下。 言归正转，1－3 no limit hold'em. buy in 100 刀。 玩得比较tight
。三小时后STACK到了四百多一点。 然后是下面这手牌：
我在BB WITH JJ. UTG RAISE TO 6$, UTG +1 CALLS, 我也记不得很清楚，大概有7个人
CALL 了。 一看这么多LIMP IN， 马上RAISE TO 49$，UTG +1 问了一下多少然后马上
CALL了，UTG+2想都没想就CALL了，当时心里觉得不妙，谁知MP+1 和MP+2 也在数CHIPS
准备CALL，实在不想这么多人CALL 我的POKET JACKS， 在MP+1准备推出CHIPS之前马
上大声说：MY GOD! I THINK I NEED TO PUSH ALL IN ON TH... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 well, pls bear with me, but i'd say all 3 hands were all played poorly.
1) hand 1, you made the same scared money leaking play MM corrected me.
preflop, good move or have to.
flop, your stack is still too big to push all-in here. $335 for a $140 pot,
you either get no callers at all on such a low flop, or run into unfavorable
racing like in this one, or suicide to donk hero's TT/88.
it's very hard for him with KK/QQ to play like this preflop and then call
your flop overbet. this could happen but... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 22 Yeah, the rake is pretty high for 1/2 table. Probably, it's better to play 2
/5 table there. Since they charge the same amount money.
There are a lot of fishes to compensate for it though. Even I raise to 20
dollars preflop, still 2-4 ppl call behind. There are so many fish moves I
saw during few hours of play. I saw fish calling 80 bucks preflop allin with
33, Kj offsuit in a there way pot.
A fish call my big turn raise, and river allin with just second pair when
board has a 4 card straight.
I ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 这么小的stack, 如果这里fold, 那应该是fold preflop. 如果他preflop AK 不raise,
那我preflop 就扔了。。 |
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m**********1
发帖数: 361 | 24 My nightmarish Saturday almost ends my obsession with Hold'em.
It's borderline ridiculous.
I went 4 times all in and lost all 4 of them.
It's .5/1 NL full ring game.
game 1. I am totally OK with this loss.
I have AsKd, flop J 2 A, Turn 2, river 7
I thought I have a high kicker. It turns out BTN has a 3 Js.
game 2.
UTG(me): 4s 4d
MP1: jdts
I raise 2bb preflop, MP1 call
Flop: 4p6pks
Turn:Qs
We all in at turn(maybe i should have bet big on flop)
River:9p
I lost to straight at river
game 3.
MP1(me):... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 25 PS玩4个tourney。结果是这样死的，AA输给KK（flop all in），KK输给QQ （preflop
），QQ输给KJ （preflop），另一个AQ没拼过TT（preflop），每一个都打了3.5+小时
，一无所获。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 hehe, it's all about balancing your range.
if you open 3x 67s most of time from UTG or EP, i'd say it's bad. but on the
other hand, if we fold every time here, it's also bad since we're playing a
"simpler" style and can be exploited easily.
after all, preflop, the pot is relatively small, and we play 67s for its
great implied odds against weak guys' AJo, TT, or 99 alike, or hands they
like to call but very reluctant to 3 bet with.
compared with small PPs, small SCs have much better potentials po... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 你这牌打得比你original post 里的lp 更离奇。 you played well. but he was a little better.
Preflop call reraise--equally good.
call 4 bet preflop--your call is good. his call is slithgly better.
fold to flop bet--your fold is good. His fold is better.
However I don't like either play. I would have played every street exactly opposit with your hand preflop and post-flop..
EDIT so it sounds Grrreeeaaat~~~ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 if you've played 1/2NL enough, you'll know, most of time, $12 is NOTHING,
and $7 or so is a JOKE.
these games are full of donks, $12 to see a flop (after they limp) is "cheap"
or ok to them. as in your case, see? easily 4, 5, 6... way postflop. without
position, AA/KK should be really careful.
unless you can stir up enough drama preflop like re-raised pot, do NOT
count on AA/KK for a big pot win postflop.
for example, that Jxx hand, few ppl (even for donks) would really go crazy
with AJ/KJ singl... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 as shown below and i expect during the hand, i'm only a slight favorite on
the flop.
as the second one to act and relative deep stack (3 guys all with 200BB left),
this situation is worse.
MP is a straight-forward guy, not tricky at all, he calls straddle
and then this $18 preflop raise with only a small range. on the flop, he
bets $60 only with a strong made hand, as strong as a made non-nut flush, or
as weak as a set (not even suited cards hit 2 pairs). he's not capable of:
1) call preflop wit... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 30 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Sun Nov 13 17:40:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
继续提高版上人气，也许老大可以搞个有奖征文，
大家说说自己得意的bluff，要把bluff 的思路讲清楚。 然后大家投票，得票最多者
奖励30 个包子。
当然，也后也可以讲best laydown，best thin value bet 一类，但俺觉得还是best
bluff 最刺激。
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nanpa (nanpa) 于 (Sun Nov 13 18:11:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
算不上最好的bluff，但还是很刺激，上周末的home game， 1/2
EP, raise to $7，CO call, button call，
hero SM 35o
$7 在这个桌上是个比较小的raise,后面两个limp应该也只是中/小对或SC之类的牌... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********f
发帖数: 155 | 31 live 1/2 no limit 200 max.
On the button with 33, mid-position player raised to 10 preflop, and I
called, and another limper called. Three players preflop. I have ~$400.
Preflop raiser has me covered. The limper has ~$200.
Flop: 88T rainbow. Pot $33.
Checked to me, what do I do? |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 32 还盈利呢，以前不是发帖说过我输了不少么。所以现在才重新review我以前打的这些牌。
希望大家那我当个反面典型吧。poker就是这样，有时候虽然你赢了某一手牌，但是其
实打的错误很大。preflop没有必要loose call，flop没必要donk bet，因为这种board
很容易被fcf float。现在反省一下，我当时太追求打牌的creativity，过分的追求
balance/widen range，让别人猜不到我的牌。preflop的loose call就是让对手知道我
的preflop call可能是any two card。殊不知，过于的balance range会丧失
optimality（EV）。好像某个pro说过，你永远不能perfectly balance range，因为那
样的话会损失太多的value。这有点像辩证法里面的矛盾。
不过我觉得当时的river打的还是对的，也有创造力。主要是当时和fcf已经打了一个小
时。如果我在flop，turn上double barrel，他从来不会在river 上thin value bet。
river上如果他有nuts... 阅读全帖 |
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s******e
发帖数: 44 | 33 才回到村里，好好休息了以下，今天也还要开学，所以现在才爬上来看看。
继续在威尼斯人玩，因为5号上来输了300，所以准备去2/5找点损失，嘿嘿。先说下业
务吧，1000+ 2天，惭愧惭愧。
发现打2/5比打1/2还是要灵活的多，bluff，reraise显得都比较有力度，打1/2，有些
人你是吓也吓不走，赶也赶不走。刚坐到一个must move桌的时候，就喜欢reraise人家
，因为他不了解你，所以他一般还是会怂的，我喜欢3倍reraise人家，没有理论依据，
纯属个人爱好，3倍还是比较有力量的。在那个must move桌上，抓到一个思密达阿姨，
fish. I call 35 with Qh 10h on BB. flop 7 J K all heart. Now I have a royal
draw,but the Ah is too shy to show up. I check, all check to 思密达，she
raise to 60, I just call. others fold（也许手里米有红桃）。turn 10s, I still
check and w... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 34 5/10 LA commerce
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Hand 1:
Preflop: UTG+1 and MP limp, all fold to me at BB with 9s2s, I call. (we all
have about 1200~1500)
Flop: Js5s3s. I bet 30, UTG+1 surprisingly raise to 90, and MP called 90.
UTG+1 is loose preflop but not that aggressive after flop. It's the first
time I saw him raising on flop in 2 hours. MP is a regular LAG, but today he
is a bit unlucky, KK owned by AA twice. I called 90.
Turn: blank. check, check, check
River: 5d. I check, UTG+1 check and river bet 110... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 这牌因为是REG打得，所以他的牌面可能性就多了。
PREFLOP:他是在SB CALL. 一定是个DECENT RANGE.
FLOP: LEAD OUT 1/2 POT,
可能性：monster hand: kk（unlikely, preflop action）, qq（unlikely, preflop action）, 99, TJ, AdTd, kq, [k9s, q9s unlikely，because
he is a reg]
value hand, ak, AdXd, KT, KJ
weak drawing hands, AJs(no diamond), ATs(no diamond)，6D7D,7D8D
weak made hands but decent enough, aq, QT, QJ, 9t, 9J,tt,jj,7D9D
bluffs, 88-22,
并且4B。only left
monster hand: kk, qq, 99, TJ, AdTd, kq, [k9s, q9s ... 阅读全帖 |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 36 你在winstar打牌吗？有时间可以约好同一天去。
这牌preflop已经70了（winstar的抽水是5，另加1刀badbeat drop），在1-2的常规
stack里面，底三条是没有fold空间了，即使顺面，即使4人锅。只需对比现在raise AI
和平跟即可。
下注20和平跟的，很难想象他们有什么牌能跟进来。我猜他们多半要fold。
你没有说加注100的MP的形象，但初步猜测，他是两对/顺子/暗三，或者比较donk的AQ/
KQ（给40%权重吧），暗三权重也应该小一点，因为preflop他只是limp-call。但我也
见过许多人这么打KK，preflop隐忍，等到翻牌没A再发力。
这样看来，主要针对对象是天顺和两对/KK/AQ。如果他是两对/KK/AQ，那么出来9/10你
恐怕难以再捞到他的价值。vs天顺你即使现在全进，吃亏也并不太多，因为一则你有30
%+的赢率，二是即使你平跟，转牌你没中，你那时赢率降到22%但仍然是跟之无味弃之
可惜。与其22%的时候艰难决定，不如30%多的时候主动commit。所以我觉得直接全进好
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s******e
发帖数: 44 | 37 昨天好不容易在不考试和作业完成的空隙中开去STL，准备试试lumiere place而不是
harrah's了。harrah's打的太慢。感谢superbobo推荐的文章，AJ too weak to 4-bet
这话我是记清楚了，嘿嘿。没有版花姐姐那么厉害，up了800+吧，老大，图片右边绿色
下面的是3颗黑色的噢，哈哈哈哈，让你羡慕嫉妒恨！
运气不错，因为去的太早=.=只有人在打tour，反正45块，买进，居然还hit了个royal
，all in人家也call了： AdJd preflop UTG+2, 白人小哥 BUTTON, raise to 1500(
200/400 no cash value),call. flop: Kd Qd 8s. str and flush draw. 白人小哥
raise 2000,call. turn 6c. 小哥raise 2500，call. river: 10d. First time since
playing poker!! 我all in showing nuts or nothing. 不知道这里没有position到
底该怎么... 阅读全帖 |
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h******n
发帖数: 233 | 38 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 被魚咬了 I went to winstar again this Saturday and was doing well in my game (1-2UL)
most of the time. I had about $800+ chips infront of me after 6 hours. Then
an Iranian came to the table. He didn't seem to know how to play, at least
not in "regular" level. I tried to pull a trick on him, and here comes the
tragedy...
hand 1:
Villian: raised to $12 preflop
hero called with 99
3 other callers
flopped: AT3o
villian bet $20
hero raised $40 on top of $20
villian called raise with QQ with only $15 left. he ... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 一手QQ not actually.
you're talking about the worst situation for your QQ hand (villain calls
with Ax or Kx preflop, and hits exactly Axx or Kxx flop).
in fact, there're quite some other possibilties too:
1) Ax hits Kxx, Kx hits Axx, totally miss;
2) x hits a middle pair or even top pair, like AT hits Txx and pays you off;
3) hands like 99/TT may pay you off too, either re-shoves preflop (take your
call as weak) or on low flop;
4) for aggressive players, they may even reshove you preflop with hands lik... 阅读全帖 |
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r********t
发帖数: 1098 | 40 例二:
你是Small blind。拿了 .
那个紧的有1000的选手raise到30，你知道他拿的是大牌。刚坐下带5000的年轻人跟30
，你当然要跟。因为你的SPR合适，进来到人又多。换句话说，如果你中了6又赢的话，
赢回来12倍，就是360，是不困难的。
Flop翻牌一出来， ，两红桃。
现在你唯独担心的是别人有没有对J或者对10，看情况不像。这种倒霉情形在 hold’em
里并不多见，omaha里比比皆是。你余下970，锅里95，SPR是10左右，很有利。
这是个很有Action的 flop，别人手里可能有大对，可能有人10J两副对，还有同花兆(
draw)，顺子兆(draw)等。如果赢了，一定是大锅，但也很可能输掉。由于 preflop 的
raiser就在你的左边，你期望他会 bet （下注） flop，所以，你想check-raise.
坏了，两个家伙都check，你给了别人 free card。
Turn 来了个方片 。
你bet （下注） 60，raiser跟60，另一个扔了。
River来了个你最不想见的，红桃 。怎么办？
知道对手打得很紧，应该check，... 阅读全帖 |
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 41 It's one thing that he might play those hands preflop. It's another that he
plays those hands preflop AND takes the line on the flop AND takes the line
on turn.
For example, for him to have JhTh here, he needs to limp preflop with it,
check calls on the flop with nothing after a bet and call, and check min-
raises the turn when he picks up a draw, again after a bet and call. It just
doesn't seem likely at all to me.
have
here
good |
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m****9
发帖数: 492 | 42 2个月没去好好打了，这次一去发现1/2 table搞的好像比以前凶了乜，求分析求指
点：
第一手牌：
Hero ~125$, UTG QQ preflop raise to 12, Villain Cut-off 600$ call, BB call (
~36).
Flop 783 rainbow, BB check, Hero bet 20$, Villain asked for my stack then
raised to 60$, while doing this he trash talked to me that he is going to
call if I shove all-in. BB fold. Action on me.
一点context:
对方的image: 从之前的一些hand history看出来对方是a thinking regular, able to
make mixed moves, calling range比较大。
我的image：我在这首牌之前打的都比较weak tight。很少有agressive play，还在前
一局的turn上... 阅读全帖 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 43 刚刚换到一新桌，一半以上的玩家都面熟，彼此都较了解。第一手牌55black, shove
at LP with only 50ish. All fold to me. 第二手，AcJd, shove again preflop,
all fold. 这两手基本上树立了我是驴的形象。BB 说如果我第三手再preflop all in
, he will call in blind, 哥听后偷笑。当然，第三手那哥们没有all in, Since
I folded preflop. Then I steal pots couple times at the button. 接着来了这把
牌: UTG straddled, four caller. hero at button raised To 36 with Q9o. SB,
BB fold. UTG instant shove with 200ish. Folded to me. 这时候，我耳边回响起
风暴老师的名言，不能丢咱老中的脸，哥环视了一下，看周围有木有美女送秋波，可悲
的是一群老头子的眼，那神情就是，小子，跪吧... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 hand 1 villian is a known donkey. We had tons of history. He has been
stacked by me many times for the past week both at NL50 and NL100. That's
one of the reasons that I only called preflop. The other reason is that
there
is another trigger happy donkey squeezer at SB. I don't think I would call
preflop here with A rag anyway. If I have AQ AJ, I probably just call down.
I ran about 6% 3 bet preflop. He probably think I have no way of having AK
AA KK here. So I will fold to the river shove, e... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 45 我现在打牌基本上像白开水，没什么上上下下的，打得比较稳，所以也没什么好讲的。
周末 Foxwoods 给了一个房间, 所以就去了玩了两天。头一天玩了几个小时 2/5，没什
么大 pot ，比较 standard, 用什么牌赢的都忘了，结果 up 600- 走人。
晚上吃完 buffet，想去 poker room 再玩会儿时间，赢钱了就怕把钱输回去，就打 1/
2 算了，1/2 的人水平比较次，波动也比较小，赢不了大钱也不会输大钱。
一路上碰到几个白妞，穿着曝露，一看就是去开 party。看到赌场里白妞去开 party
的时候大把，不过要么脸长的像猪，要么身材像猪。今天看到的几个倒是要身材有身材
，要脸蛋有脸蛋。旁边男的却都是老黑。哥咽下口水，f**k, 这辈子泡漂亮白妞就算了
，哥是只能拿好人卡，当好男人了。等哥下辈子投胎当风流男，要当瓜瓜，宗瑞，冠希
，要泡好多好多妞，白妞，亚妞，棕妞，好多好多好多好多。。。
题扯远了。下面是一些当晚的经历：
1. 桌上要么是 nit, 要么是极 loose。坐我左边白老头是 loose 中的 loose，我给他
搞了一把 call 我 $12 A... 阅读全帖 |
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z******n
发帖数: 8851 | 46 My 2c,
LZ didn't raise preflop, so it's hard to put him on AK or AQ, if he shove on
the turn, will be called by a better hand AT+ or set (most likely villian
range), all others will be folded, so not +EV.
I would raise preflop from BB, since you don't have position post flop, as
played, i would fold on river if not on the turn. You can't win a big pot by
calling preflop with deception, then it's time to lose a small one :-) |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 47 你这个帖子里有很多point值得思考。
我想了很久，我觉得我的point也有理由，不过我打online时间很短，限于我打的时间
和水平不够，也有可能我对online的理解达不到那个层次。
说一下我的point。
首先在这个例子中我说的特意降低bet size，是指的在YYx这样的flop上，我打的size
低于top straight的牌力。而你说的bet size应该打的大，并不是特指这种情况。在
XYZ这样的正常flop上，（如果我有top straight）我在turn和river上也会打的很大。
scripps 在另一帖中说，在这种YYx这种flop上，对方没有牌，你很难赢到什么钱。我
加一句，如果双方都有牌，（triple以上）不管你打得多小，最终pot都会搞得很大。
因为这种flop牌力是跳升的，要不就没，要不就很大。而在XYZ这种flop上，你拿TPTK
，对方拿TPNK,你不打的大，对方未必会打。所以在正常flop上，有好牌往大打是对的
。但在YYx的flop上，打的小不会miss对方的two pair，同时能减小nuts对你的伤害，
也不会miss中间的triple和... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 48 我今天又死菜了3次AA, 我的3bet,4bet,cbet完全没有人信,什么牌都能call.
Hand 1,
MP: ~$200
CO: Hero ~$600 AA
BTN: aggressive fish 96o >$400
Preflop,
MP limp
Hero opens to $11
BTN 3bet to $38
MP fold
Hero 4bet to $95
BTN call
Flop Ks9s9d
后面就不堪回首了.
Hand 2,
UTG: ~$200 3d6d, a decent aggressive player who doesn't believe me
CO: Hero ~$200 AA
Preflop,
UTG open to $6
Hero 3bet to $20
UTG call
Flop 5h4s2h
后面也不用再说了.
Hand 3,
CO: ~$200
BB: calling station fish ~$250 Ts7s
BTN: Hero ~$300 AA
Preflop,
CO opens to $7
Hero 3bets to $25... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 49 从7月中旬开始，半个月时间，扑克账户清空，一共27个buy in。
主要原因无非三点：
1. 运气差
2. downswing的时候，打的不如赢钱的时候好，这点是肯定的，谁都逃脱不了，优秀的
选手最多做到差别很小。
3. 我的TILT问题，始终比一般人严重。
来深入谈一下牌运和心态：
我这半个月的切身感受就是，downswing时的牌运差，并不是表现在有多少bad beat上
，有当然有，但我也有bad beat别人的时候。
1. 最要命的一点，牌hit不到，不管是flop hit pair 或者 draw hit。偶尔一次hit到
大牌了，嘿嘿，别人比你更大。正是因为经常性的没有牌，偶尔来一次大牌，从心态来
说，应该是比平时更不愿意放弃，更容易overplay。
2. 因为经常性的没牌，出于某种原因，就会做一些move，NL600本来就很aggresive。
原因可能是因为ego受不了总是fold，或者，由于没牌，一直输一些中小pot, 我必须要
做些move来赢下一些pot。这时候牌运差就体现在，很多时候做move的对象，偏偏此时
有强牌。这样的结果就是极端的frustrating... 阅读全帖 |
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