s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 1 Last Weekend, En Route to final table, 5+0.05(r+a) for 12K Guarantee
Early Final Stage. Avg Chip around 30K. Mine is 58K. 6-handed table (all way
down)
Preflop: I am at BTN with QJs. 3 limp-in upto me. I raise 4BB. QJs is not a
huge hand, but should be quite playable at 6-handed table vs all the limp-
ins. SB call, and all folded except CO call.
Flop : Q87 with flush draw. SB all in (short-stack). CO raise and all in. I
call, without even think it over. My mind was set at preflop, thinking my
ha |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 and when they start betting they have shit?
First one he 3 X preflop, 2/3 pot flop check turn and half pot river. I just called.
second one he 3 bet me 8X preflop after i raise 3.5X. pot flop and all in
turn. i just called and wait for him to spew
they shove me all in.... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 Because you are out of position
first one he donk bet half pot after call my preflop 3X
second one he raise 3X preflop and followed 2/3 pot after flop |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 4 Rush 50, Two Entries, played 300 hands. Mini-buyin, 20$
Results, wiped out three times, lost 12$ (24BB) overall.
WO1) TJ at SB.
preflop, UTG 3BB, SB call and so do BB (most time, I just fold).
Flop, TJ4, I check, BB check, UTG 1/2+pot, I 2+X. UTG call.
TUrn, x(w/ flush draw). I check and wait to raise, UTG all-in and I call
River,8, UTG has 9Qs(with flush and straight at turn) and hit straight.
WO2) AKs at SB.
Preflop, MP1, 4BB and MP2 call. I shove (~23$), MP1 call with AJs and MP2 fold.
turn/r |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 大部分都不是bad beat unless you went all in preflop...
if you can't fold an overpair. then shove all in preflop.
只是 2 7 有点惨 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 6 1是flop 三家all in
2 是flop我raise， 敌人再反过来all in
3是有三家 3x, 我preflop raise 18x $36刀， 一对99接18x raise， 没话说
4是我turn check raise all in, 敌人丝毫不怕flush, set hold住了
5是preflop 3家， 我raise12x， 算倒霉,77没跑，
6是单挑， 我raise敌人9x, flop敌人all in, 我能怎么办
7我flat call flop, raise all in turn,
AA/KK对上小对， 80%的胜率， 5把都被人搞掉， 说是bad beat不算过分吧 |
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v*****e
发帖数: 497 | 7 打了n个tournament，看了大约四百把牌，preflop的牌都是差劲的离谱，打得已经是
conservertive到了极致了，躲过好n次绝杀，AK都fold了好几次，但是，在少有的几次
拿到AK，QQ，JJ的情况下（已经完全不符合正确的分布了），全部被bad beat。而且是
那种，一对king碰到一个非常loose的家伙拿着A9，preflop allin，结果flop就是俩
ace。
或者一对queen，对方AJsuited allin。 flop就出来仨diamond，然后第四张再出张A，
反正就是感觉先把你整死再强奸好几次的感觉。
反正打了一年多来没碰到这么背的时候了，这种感觉很不好，影响心情也影响发挥。四
百多手，百分之九十，flop跟hand没半点关系。最大的拿到一次三条，赢了一局以为很
爽，结果下一句就被bad beat了，然后出局。连那种river2345这种牌我都没有拿到过
（FTp上常常有这种东西），反正包括fold的牌在内，没有大过三条的。。。欣慰的是
基本没有fold错过
strategy是反正牌不好，很tight然后观察别人，每个桌子上都有那么几个sb， |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 I love them. they are the reason why we win stacks here and there.
actually preflop AK guy played ok. What do you expect him to do? flat AK out of position vs 4 guy in the pot already? that is worse than folding it preflop.
It just happened that the other donk can't lay down his connector and hit jackpot. it should be an easy lay down for him when his c bet was raised all in. Actually i wouldn't even blame him if he check fold after flop. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 you are not taking fold equity into consideration. Flat preflop is terrible
at this spot. flop comes A 5 6. What is he going to do? Stack you when you
raise him flop? Terrible play. Worse than how it is played now. It is
bringing trouble to yourself. AK does not play multi-way pot well. Everyone
should know that. AK needs to isolate preflop. You are at least 50% chance
winning agaisnt one player. With added fold equity, you should do well over
long run.
When I have AK at bb someone raise 4X an |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 And I never ever flat KK AA preflop raise, except that one time when you
opened on CO. I only wanted to make it interesting. I do limp behind
sometimes to induce someone raise to steal.
I do not consider limp AA preflop is a leak especially EP. But go broke with AA after flop is a huge huge leak.
My goal is very clear. small hand small pot, big hand big pot. it is true that you don't lose big to my TPTK etc, but to win big from me is tough as well. because if you go out of line raise with contr |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 QQ is preflop someone raise 4X then another guy raise 12X. I folded without
even calling. It is clearly shove or fold to me because the guy EP is very
strong as well and he will shove most likely.
I put them the raiser on KK+, EP is unknown but strong. There is no point to
be a hero here. I am either agaisnt AK which is coin flip or i am drawing
dead.. it is an easy lay down for me to catch a better spot. Tight? yes, but
with a read.
KK hand might be marginal how I played preflop. But I have a r |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 oh, I have been over shoving AA before I even leveled up to NL 25. I was
just not advocating it openly. I did comment in one of thirtystand post "if you can't fold your AA after flop just all in preflop" ^_^
I can even tell you that % of calling all in preflop in NL 10 is much higher
than NL 25 because i do it so often.... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 选择性记忆问题，自己死的时候印象比较深刻。
此外就是自己可能很少象那么玩小对(被人牵鼻子走，就算hit了也容易被人看穿)。而
大对子由于preflop underbet，post flop又咋都扔不下。
其实小对preflop疯点没啥，毕竟pot还很小，主动权可能还在自己手中，比AA/KK到
river上被动哭着call stack强很多。
river |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 If the effective stack is large enough (>60 is marginal, >80 is better), i
would suggest to call up to 5X raise preflop. Set is the most profitable
hand in poker. don't waste it. The tighter the range is for the raiser, the
more willing I am to call preflop. a few reasons,
1) with tighter range you are more likely to get his whole stack when you
hit set vs his over pair.
2) if you don't hit set and he has AK high, you are more likely to get the pot
after calling his c bet.
3) easier to identify |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 preflop loose or tight will not decide whether you are a winner or not... you need a play style to go with your preflop action. and always remember how other people is perceiving you with your vpip values and make use of it to your advantage.
from poker blueprint:
when they feel you are strong, you should bluff more..
when they feel you are weak, you should value bet more... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 I think one sigificant difference i made recently is play AK preflop much
more aggressively. I still was not too sure whether this is good over long
run. I can pick up a lot of pots by squeeze preflop. But it does expose me
more on a situation where I have to flip coins vs pocket Qs Js etc. Yeterday
, i raise 3.5X EP with AK, sb reraise to 10X who has 6% 3 bet rate with a
36Xbb short stack. I choose to 4 bet and called a shove. He has Qs and I
lost the coin flip. This donk probably did not not |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 I don't think it is a problem to over raise. sometimes it looks more like AK
squeeze. if you 3 bet small, they are probably not going to call after
flop anyway if they didn't hit something real good. on the other hand, if
they do call your big raise. even if they just hit a pair or still have
their Qs over pair. they might call still because they feel that they are
commited. the awesome pod odds they gave them for over calling preflop
mistakenly.. so you are giving up something small preflop an |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 I don't know. It will depends on the utg's image and your own image at the
table. It might be good to 3 bet preflop to narrow the range. flatting
preflop actually gave utg more power to bluff on a very favorite board for
him. but again we are not up against pros at microstake. 3 barrel bluff is
not as often as you might imagin.
put |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 The difference between NL 25 and NL 50 for me. I don't feel much difference
on starting hand (I am very tight preflop). I actually 3 bet more preflop.
the difference is probably variance. I am more aggressive after flop. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 20 看了几辑，感觉其他人在nosebleeding cash game这一level明显差一截，这手牌就挺
有意思的。preflop那些open raise/limp的，除了Ivey没有一个敢call Dwan的3-bet。
而Ivey和Dwan在preflop call 3-bet的几率就很大，不太在意手里的牌，有那种靠post
flop定胜负的勇气。
这手牌如果Ivey在flop上raise可能比较好，但实战那种结果也不能说玩错了。虽说
durrr sense到Ivey的range里应该没有很强的牌，但那种3 barrel的勇气实在令人钦佩
。他的river bet差不多是60% pot，绝对值更吓人，比起那个Elezra在Poker after
dark曾经做过的一个3 street bluff要牛多了（Elezra flop check-raise, turn bet,
最后river只敢bet了1/4还是1/5的pot，被durrr用底对一对3接下来了）。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 21 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 鱼多，速来 910o preflop 就call 30bb preflop allin |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 22 Recently my AA always lost to KK preflop all in, no exceptions.
Recently my KK always lost to AA preflop all in, no exceptions.
I havn't won big stake with AA to KK pre-flop all in for long time...I hate
FTP..... |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 23 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 大节抓大鱼 我们本地赌场打得不大，最近人们变得更油了，都不太好抓。时间这么长，就碰到两回
真正的大肥鱼，preflop每手扔进一把筹码，flop不管啥都奉陪到底的，半个小时输千
八百的。一次是元旦，一次是今天。
元旦那次算是第一次碰到这种，不太敢打，KQ call preflop，flop A，被打跑了，那
天也没赢。
今天不要命了，看见AQ，闭着眼打到20bb，丫果然call，flop Q，运气。flop 我 bet
1/2 pot。跟。之后简单了，他bottom pair跟到底。这次躲过了5 outer，总算分到一
杯羹。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 If they have any brain they should know not to push a TAG's 3 bet with those
junk. just not enough retards around... they did not raise then reraise all in.. they reraise all in after i 3 bet others.. they really had no business in the pot... Don't get me wrong.. i like their push. It is just tough when they can bad beat with those hands all the time...
But as it stands, people are more and more aggressive preflop, it is even more true than before "never fold KK preflop" .
your
they |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 25 如果一个人 3 bet you every time your raise 3b preflop ，我会4bet with all
KXs,AXs,JQ+,55+
one
have
preflop
bets |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 This guy is not weak tight. he played this hand well except the preflop raise. preflop is a fold.
I have played a hand exactly the same like him after flop and lost to nut flush before even though i would not raise EP with trash suited card.
All in > small value bet unless you are planning to fold to an all in reraise. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 27 IN RUSH, small pair is to hard to call since 2X preflop
4
His range does not include any small pocket pair. This board is perfect for
me to continue after the 4 bet. If he wants to stack me, i really think he
would have done it preflop because he is out of position. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 28 三天下来我的ev比winning高出4个buyin...今天一天吃掉我2.5buyin...AA preflop
allin被
flop set，QQ vs KQs flop allin被runner-runner flush，99 preflop allin vs AJ
被river 4-card over flush...br被削掉一截...从来没这么背过... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 4个buy in 对我来说己经很大了， 打NL100以前最多也只有4个buy in 。 NL100 37k
hand 就已经有两次了。。都是一天里。。 上次打回到up200. 这次打倒1am也没能扳回来。。。
这两次都打得我想降级了when i was at the bottom..。。 lol
有时候没办法.. 倒霉的时候,没牌 2 barrel 都打不走一small pocket pair.. 有强牌丫一c bet 就跑了. 有一medium strength top pair 的牌,又被人raise flop big, and pot turn.. KK slow play flat preflop.. raise flop call reraise all in on 223 board, 对方15% preflop raise short stack fish, 丫是AA.. lol
每一手牌都被抓得死死的.. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 30 I am unhappy about the result also.
But I rethought about AJ hand later on, I guess I have to double him up.
Preflop, he has around 19BB, I get around 50BB.
I have aj, I have to raise preflop, 2.2BB. I raise, he calls, pot around 4.
5BB. On the J9s4s board, I have to bet 3BB, he has to call 3BB.
pot 10BB, he has 19BB-2.5BB-3BB=13.5BB left. The pot is around 10BB. The
turn is very tricky cards, 8s. (If I check, he will bet for 3BB for sure, I
have to call, then we will go all in the river) (If I |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 whether 56s is a good call preflop depends on your post flop play. If you
are going to be loose passive and call and call and call with a bottom pair.
I think the preflop call is very very bad. 7$ + 18$ into the pot without any initiative but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big pot. If you don't get your flush going, your hand is not too much different from 56o, which is very very weak at the bottom |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 I think this is where people are mostly wrong about live and on-line..
Altering their game dramaticly because they are different games. If you look
at the poker fundamental, there is only about blind size, raise size and
stack size. If you have KQ, you can use their preflop raise size to decide
whether you are ahead of their range or not, and you are right on-line and
live are different. If someone open 5X preflop online, you are probably behind and dominated. If it is live, maybe you are ok.
bu |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 今天一早看了fryking 的文章， 第一段就骂大家是驴， 也包括了我在内。 我当时是
勃然大怒。 然后看了其他的内容， 才明白fryking的苦心。 果然是老大哥，循循善诱
， 摆事实讲道理，我读了如醍醐灌顶，立马体会到了自己的驴性和狭隘。同时我又回
去读了一下bigslick 同学的牌局帖，发觉果然里面闪光点无数， 所以我要在这里真诚
的向bigslick 同学道歉。
就拿那把57s call preflop 得牌来说。 这把preflop 的靠的精妙我就没有体会出来。
我深思熟虑后，发现这种思路用在live poker 非常好。Live poker 那么慢，57s 明
显是我们能拿到的top of the range 的牌。 57s 又能成顺，又能成花，还能成2
pair 和 3 条， 这种牌面对live 下等驴，无论如何要叫。 成了牌就清了他。我的愚
钝竟然让我没有意识到这个思路的精华， 怪不得我还是一只傻驴。其他的闪光点我又
不一一列举了， 不过还有很多很多， 我要慢慢消化。
再次向bigslick 同学道歉， 同时感谢fryking 点醒我一梦中驴。 在此深刻检讨，以
博 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 34 就拿那把57s call preflop 得牌来说。 这把preflop 的靠的精妙我就没有体会出来。
我深思熟虑后，发现这种思路用在live poker 非常好。Live poker 那么慢，57s 明
显是我们能拿到的top of the range 的牌。 57s 又能成顺，又能成花，还能成2
pair 和 3 条， 这种牌面对live 下等驴，无论如何要叫。 成了牌就清了他。我的愚
钝竟然让我没有意识到这个思路的精华， 怪不得我还是一只傻驴。其他的闪光点我又
不一一列举了， 不过还有很多很多， 我要慢慢消化。
哥，我咋还是怎么看怎么心里憋得慌呢。
虽然我是beginner，但是我还是想说两句。
题外话，我算是一个没有life的人，接触poker之前，网游占据了我迄今为止三分之一
的生活，除此之外家庭，学校，公司以及朋友圈，任何地方我所见到的，不管是上了年
纪的，还是小p孩，是个人就有ego，哪个自称没有ego的设想一下某不知名id突然窜出
来说你打牌就是个p，你会立马反击或是心里祝福他祖宗十八代呢，还是会感觉特别舒
服。
有ego就有争斗，不管他是什么方式（不一一列举）。 f |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 nothing about read. With AA you don't need read. just flat 4 bet and get it
in after flop. Fish knows it too..
However with that weak 3 bet preflop, i can't fold either. I had to fire a 4 bet. If he shoves preflop, i am in a bad situation obviously.
shove |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 vpip was bad. preflop and post flop are both loose passive. too many hands
go to show down. showdown winning % was not good. Aggression was low. post
flop was probably worse than preflop vpip alone. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 37 If he 3bet preflop , he will lose whole stack.
If he calls preflop, and if he check/fold flop, he will lose in the long run
. In that hand, if he check/raise you on the flop, you will smooth call, I
guess he will lose the whole stack.
If he c/c the flop, he will go away with that turn. Pretty sure, he will
lose a big pot at the end. Plus, we know your hand already, and we can be
sure that is the best way to play that hand, lose only 50%---100% of stack. (lose 100% stack is possible, if you bet 1 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 我靠故我输 A22 flop (and i hold AA), how many Ax or 2x (seriously, x of what?) hands
exist AND can call preflop? even so, how many Ax or 2x will slow play both
flop and turn against a BTN, who is likely opening light??? and a flush draw
board?
flush draws? only runner runner or two suited, how likely is this?
1) Ac is on flop, would KcX, QcX (or those have little drawing to strong
runner runner flush) call light pre and flop here? AsKc, AsQc, AsJc, would u
play like this?
2) two clubs, KcJc, QcTc, etc., wo... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 Read on me? probably not. easy shove preflop if he does. Just a fish that
does not dare to shove AK preflop but can't lay down a gut shot after flop. |
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发帖数: 7793 | 40 First of all, I do not advocate cold call 3 bet with AA and I don't even think
I have done it. I just want to say that I see the merit in it and some
regular would do it too sometimes.
Let us construct the perfect example here.
Lets say nitfish Windstormm raise 3$ utg with a vpip of 10/6 raising only 3%
utg, should we say it is pretty clear he has AQ JJ+? Now someone with
pretty wide 3 betting range 3 bet 11X at CO. And we cold call with AA on the
button. Now what would windstormm do if he is ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 41 Mathmatically, The AA guy is a huge favor over the other two hands.
QQ is drawing nearly dead, the flush draw guy is just a gambler and a huge
underdog as well, this world is full of them.
Yeah, the only way you chase him out maybe the re-shove all-in preflop, but
I see hands like three way all-in and the one guy has 55s over QQs, AAs. Of
course full tilt gave the guy set and he took the pot. You never know if he
will be in or not.
Put me on top set over middle set and flush draw everyday. I'd l... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 42 1) 24+2 for 600+ Million Guarantee entry. Top 5 get entry, top 8 has $ and 7 ppl left.
BB=2K and average=14BB. I have 17BB at SB. SB=13BB.
Preflop, SB, T4o limp in; BB check
Flop, T72 rainbow, both check
turn, 3, SB 2BB (almost pot, flush draw); BB call.
river, blank(
BB with TJ win.
Bad time to allin. And No need to allin
2) 6 for 129 entry. First gets the entry. Top 4 has $, 4 left. BB=500
Avg chip=24BB. I have 19BB at SB.
Preflop, btn limpin, SB 9s4s call and BB check
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 43 Why do we flat re-raise preflop with KK but check raise all in after flop
with a middle pair? Is our hand stronger post flop than preflop? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 Any raise can't get this guy out preflop, he tanked preflop for 1 min to
call the 4 bet after he flat 3 bet .. but post flop he folds like a chicken with 2/3 pot all in. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 45 The biggest problem with all in with AA preflop--If I saw it once from a
guy, expect me to 4 bet him every time if his 3 bet is not all in preflop..
lol... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 to a loose 3 bet caller, you expand your 3 bet range for value. For someone
who raise 15% preflop and call 70% of the 3 bet for example, he is calling
a lot of 3 bet with suited connector and small pocket pairs.. He is going
to either check fold flop a lot or go broke with a pair which you dominate.
you can expand your 3 bet range to AJ+ 1010+ even and play semi-strong and extract value post flop. On the other hand, when
someone raise 10% and call 3 bet 75% of the time, he only call 3 bet with ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 47 I think call is better, because I honestly think there is zero fold equity
here. Button is not raising vs 3 player to fold here. He is never folding AQ KK AA QQ here with a flush draw board. He is not raising with anything worse either.
Now when our fold equity is close to zero, it is better to just flat. why?
1) better odds because 2 other player will call too most likely with their gut shot straight etc
2) better implied odds when we hit our hand because they are more likely to
hit 2 pair str... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 Don't over look playing a tight preflop range. It is a key to success when
you are against a group people that you have less edge against.
Something interesting that i want to point out here. If we ignore the blind you post (say we don't post blind at all) and you
play against yourself (assuming using the same strategies) with a loose
perflop range and a tighter preflop range. The one that playing tigher range will always win out. I think this is very enlightening to me in terms of post flop p... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7793 | 49 need to dig deeper than that. That example actually told us how important
it is to play a stronger range with your starting hand and its impact on
your post flop overall winrate.
2 factors in poker that decides your overall winrate. Skill (including
utilizing your position, sizing, bluffing, value betting etc.) and your starting hand range. When your skill has less edge, your edge in tigher starting range can be critical. If you can use preflop steal/resteal to break even your winrate with a l... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7793 | 50 I was in a rush and did not finish. I want to add a few more points.
The advantage of having a tight starting range is very obvious and it should
give you a steady and good winrate at microstake or vs some opponents at
small stake, but why does it not work as well when you level up facing
tougher opponents? It is because people will adjust towards your range post
flop if they are good regs. FCF also pointed out before that the easiest
player to play against is people with nittiest vpip because t... 阅读全帖 |
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