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发帖数: 10908 | 1 “What I hope parents understand is that there are some three million high
school players and by the time they scale that down to the quarterback
position there are a couple of hundred thousand starters,” he said. “Then
you get to Division I and II, and there are 360 quarterbacks. When you get
to the N.F.L. there are 64. When you think about the odds, that’s not very
good odds.” |
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发帖数: 29495 | 2 IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) -- Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz says junior quarterback Rick
y Stanzi has had surgery to repair a severely sprained ankle and is "very do
ubtful" for Iowa's final two regular season games.
Stanzi injured his right ankle in the second quarter of No. 15 Iowa's 17-10
loss to Northwestern last weekend and did not return.
Ferentz says redshirt freshman James Vandenberg is now the No. 1 quarterback
for the Hawkeyes (9-1, 5-1 Big Ten). He will make his first career start Sa
turday at No |
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发帖数: 1774 | 3 Lincoln - Redshirt freshman quarterback Taylor Martinez made an impressive
college debut by rushing for 127 yards and three touchdowns on just seven
carries to help No. 8 Nebraska sprint to a 49-10 season-opening win over
Western Kentucky at Memorial Stadium on Saturday night.
Martinez, who became the first Husker freshman quarterback in history to
start a season opener, made his debut in front of the NCAA-record 305th
consecutive sellout at Memorial Stadium with 85,555 on hand and an FSN pay-
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发帖数: 313 | 4 tooooooooooooooo impressive le.
They remind me an ad before playoff started.
Impossible. What is "Impossible"? Impossible means Tom Brady, a second
string quarterback can lead the patriots to superbowl. Impossible means
Tommy Maddox, a thiry two years old ex XFL quarterback can lead Steelers
score twenty two points in the fourth quarter. Impossible means Jeff
Garcia and the 49ers, can overcome a 24 point second half deficit and
win the football game. Impossible means Steelers and Niners can make |
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发帖数: 8469 | 5 LeBron James wants him to play for the Dolphins, an Arizona mattress company
has already put up billboards pushing him to join the Cardinals and fans
from most teams around the NFL have taken to social media to do their own
bidding.
bracket
PEYTON MANNING SAGA
Marino: Manning 'fits with anybody'
Manning lands in South Florida
Colts announce release of Manning
Couch: Colts fans, the joke's on you
Peyton had four surgeries?
Schrager: Time to quit
What if Peyton played f... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 242 | 6 American Football is the epitome of team sports. Everyone must do their job
or you can't win. It showcases all kinds of athletic abilities.
Strength - offensive, defensive linemen, running back
Skill - quarterback, wide receiver
brain - quarterback, inside linebacker
speed - wide receiver, corner back, safety
teamwork - offensive linemen, special teams
toughness - everyone
American Football is a game of inches and the game play is structured with
each down comes with scoring anticipation. It is ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 18685 | 7 终于作了对大家都好的决定
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8362548/utah-ute
Utah starting quarterback Jordan Wynn, whose career has been plagued by
injuries, is giving up football and will not play again for the Utes, coach
Kyle Whittingham said Monday.
In Friday's loss at Utah State, Wynn left in the first half after injuring
his left non-throwing shoulder. Last season, he suffered a season-ending
injury after four games to the same shoulder.
Also, in 2010 Wynn also suffered thumb and shoulder... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10605 | 9 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
lqm1989 (老球迷) 于 (Tue Feb 14 10:56:45 2012, 美东) 提到:
篮球其实很省钱。足球也不错，我说的不是橄榄球。
我觉着女孩不用考虑职业体育，游泳跑步乒乓球就好
当然都要好好学习
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seanoy (seanoy) 于 (Tue Feb 14 11:04:12 2012, 美东) 提到:
篮球也可能是成炮灰最多的一个区域
华裔就该好好搞教育，顺带重视下体育
如果身体条件加脑子同时都出类拔萃的那可以
加大投入力度，otherwise还是教育第一
女孩子非常不适合专门练游泳，亚裔女孩子本来就不高，
各个练成水牛肩膀。
亚裔应该多搞搞艺术（除钢琴小提琴小号等），很多人的天分
远高过其他族裔
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TaiYouCai (有才) 于 (Tue Feb 14 11:05:29 2012, 美东) 提到:
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发帖数: 667 | 10 首先说说进攻的各种位置。
OL：就是所谓Offensive Lineman（不是Office Lady啦）。许多人对橄榄球的第
一印象，大概就是这些硕大无比的巨汉吧。OL总是5个人，其中有一个，大家在
看比赛的时候很容易认出来，就是每次进攻的时候站在攻方最前面，比其他人都
突出一点点的那个，手将球按在地上，然后。。。忽然将球从双腿中间传给后面
的quarterback，进攻就此开始。这个人叫做Center，找到了Center，其他的人就
很好认啦。。。他两边的两个OL叫做Guard，再两边的两个叫做Tackle，基本上就
是这样：
O
O O O O
位置： T G C G T
OL是football里面的无名英雄。他们的作用对于一般人来说很不起眼，但是实际
上OL是非常重要的。没有一个好的OL，后面的quarterback即使再厉害，也无法
有效的发动进攻。
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发帖数: 18 | 11 6th stop, PITTSBURGH STEELERS. went to SB 5 times, won 4.
following info from steelers website.
Terry Bradshaw
Player
Position: Quarterback
Height: 6-3
Weight: 210
40' Dash Time: 4.7 seconds
Born: September 2, 1948 in Shreveport, Louisiana
Drafted: 1970, 1st Round (1st overall)
College: Louisiana Tech
NFL Career: 1971-1984 Pittsburgh
Inducted into Hall of Fame: 1989 (Presenter: Verne Lundquist)
Terry Bradshaw, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, grew up in
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a*****s
发帖数: 14 | 12 第一个叫ultimate football,95年的时候，
感觉就是TE很厉害。hostetler->ricky dudley,
steve young->brent jones,百发百中，偶只玩raiders/niners。
第二个是97年的quarterback club,
这个游戏非常难玩，因为太逼真模拟quarterback的传球过程了。
你不能同时看所有的receivers，
必须通过一个button从No.1 option到No.2,No.3一路rotate下去。
接下来就是EA的madden football,从99一直玩到02,
再后来PC游戏失宠，都改xbox,ps2了，偶也不买新的03,04玩乐。
madden的几款都差不多，
偶玩的熟练的就是jon gruden的raiders playbook。
rookie/pro级别的太容易，怎么玩都成，
到了all madden级别的难度才大。
首先是kicker,
AI的球队随便一个烂kicker都能踢50码飞狗百发百中，
欧的janikowski虽然kicking power天下第一，射程只有40出头。
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发帖数: 985 | 13 小杨的大学生活进入了sophomore year,
终于等到了盼望已久的大革命，
BYU原来的教练跳槽去了别的学校，
顺手还带走了三个backup quarterback，
加上一个毕业的，
小杨在depth chart上一下子上升了四位，
前途有了盼头，训练有了劲头。
新的教练组上任，
担任quarterback教练的正是
后来大名鼎鼎的hall of fame教练，
Brent Favre的恩师，
桃李遍NFL的霍师傅霍滚轮。(Mike Holgrem)
老霍的眼光自然没的说，
小杨的浆糊地位节节上升，
到了新赛季开始前，
已经升到了第二位，
名列主力QB Jim McMahon的替补。
小杨在NCAA赛场上的第一次亮相就赢得了满堂彩，
Jim McMahon受伤后，小杨仅用了四个play,
传两次，自己跑两次，完成了第一个college career TD。
接住这个TD pass的receiver,
正是当年小杨在高中时的队友，
为了他被选美冠军女朋友甩了的WR Campbell。
看来要在球场上占稳脚跟，一支亲信子弟兵是必不可少的。
这一年小杨虽然上场不多，
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发帖数: 14458 | 14 没有2005的，但是
All-time first-round draft picks
Football Digest, June, 2005
All-Time First-Round Draft Picks
(since 1970 NFL-AFL merger)
2004
No. Player Team Position College
1 Eli Manning * Chargers Quarterback Mississippi
2 Robert Gallery Raiders Offensive tackle Iowa
3 Larry Fitzgerald Cardinals Wide receiver Pittsburgh
4 Philip Rivers Giants Quarterback North Carolina
5 Sean Taylor Redskins |
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G*****s
发帖数: 403 | 15 Oh, this appears to Brian Griese once again. Sigh...
1) Cutler is a very smart man. You play quarterback at a tough academic school
like Vanderbilt, you have an extraordinary brain. Little excites Shanahan
more in a football player than his intelligence. There is no room that Shana
han walks into where he does not believe he is one of the smartest guys around
. He wants his quarterback to be the same. Cutler fits the standard. |
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b***n
发帖数: 13455 | 16 The Dolphins have interviewed Terry Shea for their offensive coordinator/
quarterbacks coach position, a source said Sunday.
Shea was fired last month as Kansas City's quarterbacks coach. He was a head
coach at San Jose State (1990-91) and Rutgers (1996-2000) before joining
the Chiefs in 2001. Shea, 60, served one season as Chicago's offensive
coordinator in 2004 before being fired and returning to the Chiefs.
LocalLinks
Dolphins coach Cam Cameron is expected to shift current offensive
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发帖数: 4692 | 17 BUZZ BUILDING FOR EDWARDS
Multiple league insiders are talking about Stanford quarterback Trent Ed
wards, who could challenge Michigan State quarterback Drew Stanton to be
the third signal-called whose name is called out on draft day.
Though it's hard to sift through the smoke this time of year, some teams
privately claim that Edwards won't make it to round two.
At least one offensive coordinator, we're told, prefers Edwards to Brady
Quinn.
The problem is that Edwards, like Jay Cutler a year bef |
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m******c
发帖数: 2248 | 18 Warner舞跳的很欢阿，看样子是肉包子打狗了。
Hall快爆发小宇宙把。俺的Fitz就靠你了。
It has been four games for the Cardinals this season without Kurt Warner and
it’s pretty clear that the defending NFC West Champs could use their Hall-
Of-Fame quarterback back. I think everyone knew that a huge void was left
behind when Warner decided to trade in his cleats for dancing shoes, but
things got so bad, so quick that the Cardinals are going with an undrafted
free agent quarterback this weekend.
After Matt Leinart was released, the sta... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 58873 | 19 The four remaining players in the backfield (five in Canadian football),
including the quarterback, are also eligible receivers—except in the
National Football League, where a quarterback in the "T" Formation is never
eligible. |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 20 From today's MMQB column, on how the ranking was assembled:
"Anyway, here's how the balloting went: 85 voters --owners, GMs, NFL
executives and retired execs, coaches, owners, former coaches, broadcasters,
media and Hall of Fame voters -- got a list of 260 players. We were asked
to grade the players from 1 to 10 (with 10 being the best). When all the
ballots were gathered, NFL Films tallied up the votes, and the 100 highest-
rated players were ranked from 1 to 100 based on total points. For inst... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1121 | 21 Colts coach Jim Caldwell said Sunday he doesn't regret calling a late
timeout that actually might have helped the New York Jets' winning drive in
the previous night's AFC wild-card playoff game, according to The
Indianapolis Star.
Caldwell called the timeout when New York, trailing by two points, had the
ball at the Indianapolis 32-yard line with 29 seconds remaining. Television
camera caught Colts quarterback Peyton Manning looking around, puzzled by
the move.
Unlock HQ Video HQ video delivered... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5448 | 22 "The respect we have for Ben is that we don't look at him as a diva
quarterback,'' said Scott. "We look at him as a football player. In this
league, especially now, quarterbacks are treated pretty much like it's flag
football. But he's one that's willing to take the hits and look down the
barrel of a gun for his team.'' |
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发帖数: 1740 | 23 Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown insists he won't trade quarterback
Carson Palmer.
Brown said Monday that Palmer met with him a little more than a week ago and
asked to be traded. Brown told Palmer that he wouldn't consider it because
the quarterback is central to the team's plans. Brown plans to talk to
Palmer again to try to smooth over their differences.
笨狗想干嘛？ Carson Palmer一心想走， 他还硬留着干什么 |
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发帖数: 2548 | 24 Super Bowl Football Trivia Questions.
1. Who is credited with naming the Super Bowl?
2. Which team was first awarded the Vince Lombardi trophy?
3. Which was the first Super Bowl to be designated by the Roman numerals we
know today?
4. Who was the very first Super Bowl MVP?
5. Who is the only coach to lose a Super Bowl with two different teams witho
ut winning once with either team?
6. Which was the only Super Bowl broadcast simultaneously by two different n
etworks?
7. Who was the Oakland Raider... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9375 | 25 Without Googling, I got:
Super Bowl Football Trivia Questions.
1. Who is credited with naming the Super Bowl?
Lamar Hunt, owner of the Chiefs, getting the ideas from his grand daughter's
toy "Super Doll"
2. Which team was first awarded the Vince Lombardi trophy?
Packers.
3. Which was the first Super Bowl to be designated by the Roman numerals we
know today?
III. The first two were named "NFL-AFL championship game"
4. Who was the very first Super Bowl MVP?
Bart Starr
5. Who is the only coach to... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3888 | 26 INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning(notes) has
a new job, but it doesn’t involve throwing footballs—at least not yet.
A spokesman for the Marion County Health Department says Manning and wife
Ashley are the parents of twins.
Spokesman John Althardt says birth certificates filed April 8 show Mosley
Thompson Manning and brother Marshall Williams Manning were born March 31 in
Indianapolis.
The births came 10 days after Manning became an uncle. New York Giants
quarterback... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 764 | 27 NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—The Tennessee Titans have reached a deal with
quarterback Matt Hasselbeck(notes), according to a person familiar with the
agreement.
Hasselbeck spent the past 10 seasons with the Seattle Seahawks, and the
Titans are hoping he can bring stability to the position and work with
rookie Jake Locker(notes), the No. 8 overall draft pick.
Veteran Kerry Collins(notes) retired three weeks ago, the Titans plan to
trade or release Vince Young(notes) before training camp opens Friday.
T... 阅读全帖 |
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H*****r
发帖数: 764 | 28 HOUSTON (AP)—The Houston Texans have agreed to terms with backup
quarterback Matt Leinart(notes).
Houston signed Leinart to a one-year deal in September 2010, but the 2004
Heisman Trophy winner didn’t take a snap during the season and the Texans
drafted North Carolina quarterback T.J. Yates(notes) in the fifth round.
Yates worked with incumbent starter Matt Schaub(notes) and backup Dan
Orlovsky(notes) during the lockout.
A person with knowledge of Leinart’s decision confirmed the deal Wednesday,... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 16949 | 29 看起来就是为了表达对管理层的不满。
New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is the NFL's highest-paid player,
earning a cool $18 million a season. Good for him, Peyton Manning insisted
Friday.
"Brady can have that title," the Colts veteran quarterback told The
Indianapolis Star. "I've been the highest-paid player the last seven years,
because Jim (Irsay, the team's owner) made me, but also probably because I
possibly earned that."
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110730/SPORTS03/107300334/Pey |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 30 谢谢纠正，正式名称是叫passer rating.不过听好多人都说quarterback rating.现在
这个叫total quarterback rating.
, |
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发帖数: 14021 | 31 This year is different. Vick is allowed to call the OL protection. He did
well against Rams' blitz last Sunday. Vick openly welcomed teams to blitz
him, which could also be a bluff.
Read this article from ESPN.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/30385/vick-dazzles-bu
For example: This year, Vick is allowed to call the offensive line
protection -- and to change it up on a given play if he sees something in
the defense that dictates that he should. That's new this year. It's
something new o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1341 | 32 ASHBURN, Va. -- Tony Romo has a fractured rib. DeAngelo Hall sees it as a
bull's-eye.
The Washington Redskins cornerback said Wednesday he's hoping the Dallas
Cowboys quarterback plays when the NFC East rivals meet Monday night -- if
only for the chance to inflict more damage.
More on the Cowboys
Calvin Watkins, Tim MacMahon and Todd Archer have the Dallas Cowboys
blanketed for ESPN Dallas. Blog
Cowboys Center
ESPN Dallas » Hot Button »
"Absolutely. I want to get a chance to put my h... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1009 | 33 Cam on Carolina: 'I'm just trying to get everybody on my level'
By Marc Sessler NFL.com
Published: Dec. 8, 2011 at 05:15 p.m. Updated: Dec. 8, 2011 at 09:57 p.m.
Liked: 0 | Comments: 141
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Twelve games into his startling rookie campaign, Cam Newton has developed a
zero-tolerance policy for losing. If Carolina was looking for a company man
-- some meek figurehead -- its quarterback has only brought fire.
In his first national interview in months, Newton didn't shy away ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 626 | 34 其实不明显,看看实际情况 : (KD=QB hits plus sacks)
KD/RTP值越小越受保护,鼻子哥白菜兄猪不理都不是top 5,最受保护的是我们的哈佛兄
Roughing the Passer Penalties / Quarterback Knockdowns, 2009-Week 3 2011
Quarterback KD RTP penalties KD/RTP
David Garrard 210 0 INF
Joe Flacco 180 1 180
Tony Romo 132 1 132
Josh Freeman 124 1 124
Matt Schaub 184 2 92
Matt Hasselbeck 138 2 69
Brett Favre 148 3 49.3
Alex Smith 133 3 44.3
Eli Manning 132 3 ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3900 | 35 还真不是,Paul Zimmerman统计过NFL各个位置的wonderlic score,OL是最高的,我搜了一
下,结果如下
Offensive tackle – 26
Center – 25
Quarterback – 24 (Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.)[6]
Guard – 23
Tight end – 22
Safety – 19
Linebacker – 19
Cornerback – 18
Wide receiver – 17
Fullback – 17
Halfback – 16 |
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发帖数: 1949 | 36 海豚签下David Garrard。这下49ers is the only NFL team seeking a starting
quarterback in free agency. Alex是49ers的唯一选择。49ers成了Alex的唯一选择，
没得闹了。
49ers的小老板Jed今晚出面对媒体说了，that Smith’s contract offer remained on
the table. York said he hoped Smith would be the team’s starting
quarterback in 2012.
The Niners have offered a three-year, $24 million deal.
估计这场49ers-manning闹剧的幕后推手是小老板本人，哈宝只是奉命行事。 |
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d**w
发帖数: 14889 | 37 I love this line on ESPN.
if we can't get a phenomenal quarterback, let's grab a quarterback
phenomenon. |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 38 Chuck Schilken writes that history says either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin
III will fail. There have been three times in the past 20 years when a
quarterback duo was taken first and second overall. "In all three cases
during the last two decades, one member of the quarterback duo selected in
the top two of the draft has gone on to enjoy a lengthy and successful pro
career; the other has been more or less a bust." |
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发帖数: 1949 | 39 Aaron Rodgers是Nathan Morris的fan，Nathan又是49ers的fan，这哥俩赛前打了赌。
现在Aaron输了，愿赌服输，阿拉等着看Aaron穿49ers jersey的照片。
呵呵，Aaron本人就是49ers铁杆球迷，说不定他真会穿Alex Smith jersey。
以前还有更神的，SB XXIX，49ers对Chargers，Chargers老板Alex Spanos承认他是
49ers铁杆球迷。
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Aaron Rodgers to wear an Alex Smith jersey to fulfill bet
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 9:37 am by Kevin Lynch in 49ers
Ah, the spoils of victory.
For the 49ers, and specifically quarterback Alex Smith, San Francisco’s 30-
22 opening day win in Green Bay me... 阅读全帖 |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 40 http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/46135/blogger-blitz-
One of the obvious takeaways from the Chicago Bears' entrance into the
regular season was lost amid a mild distraction. Here's the headline:
Suddenly, Bears quarterback Jay Cutler has as much authority to change plays
at the line of scrimmage as any quarterback in the NFL. |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 41 now KC can throw away the over hyped Trojan quarterback and start from the
draft. When they look into the draft, they will find...another over hyped
Trojan quarterback... |
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m******c
发帖数: 2248 | 42 由Gonk第四节受伤想起的。
Beloved locally, Patriots are villains elsewhere
Why do other fans hate the Patriots?
By Gary Dzen
The Patriots have plenty of support here in New England, but even devout
fans of the team know that the Patriots are not exactly popular elsewhere.
In fact, it seems like everywhere else, people are rooting against the
Patriots. Ravens safety Bernard Pollard, whose team lost to the Patriots in
the AFC Championship, recently said that he hopes the Giants “put a
thrashing on the Patrio... 阅读全帖 |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 43 http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/story/_/id/8775315/tmq-hopes-g
Here is what TMQ asked Santa to leave each NFL team under its tree on
Christmas morning:
Arizona Cardinals: The same thing TMQ asked Santa to leave the Cardinals
last time around: a time machine to return to 2008.
Atlanta Falcons: A playoff victory for Tony Gonzalez, who in a long,
illustrious career has never walked off the field victorious in the
postseason.
Baltimore Ravens: Some Mount Union sports apparel. The Purple Raiders jus... 阅读全帖 |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 44 pistol站位跟shotgun不同吧，pistol站得更近，center 4码之后，shotgun是7码:
in the pistol offense, also commonly referred to as the "pistol formation",
the quarterback lines up four yards behind the center rather than seven
yards, as with the shotgun formation. The running back lines up three yards
directly behind the quarterback, as opposed to next to him as in the shotgun. |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 45 pistol站位跟shotgun不同吧，pistol站得更近，center 4码之后，shotgun是7码:
in the pistol offense, also commonly referred to as the "pistol formation",
the quarterback lines up four yards behind the center rather than seven
yards, as with the shotgun formation. The running back lines up three yards
directly behind the quarterback, as opposed to next to him as in the shotgun. |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 47 ...And he is jealous of pistol offense
Steve Young 'really jealous' of 49ers' pistol formation
By Gregg Rosenthal
San Francisco 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman told Around the League
on Thursday that the team doesn't run a "pistol offense." (They just use the
pistol formation.)
No matter what you call it, former 49ers quarterback Steve Young wishes he
played when the concept was around.
"I'm actually really jealous about the pistol. I think it's such a cool
thing," Young told Comcast ... 阅读全帖 |
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B*****s
发帖数: 508 | 48 Brady might be the best quarterback in NFL history and Manning might be the
top regular-season quarterback ever.
From NFL 某专家 |
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p******s
发帖数: 5200 | 49 This year's quarterback class is perceived to be too weak.
Trading for Smith, who is quite serviceable, is probably less risky than
drafting a quarterback. |
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B*******e
发帖数: 1009 | 50 Summary:
1. 下来两年给Pats省了$15 mils的空间
2. Average money in the next 5 years: ~14 mils, 30% less than Drew Brees and
Peyton Manning and possibly Elite Joe
Tom Brady took a huge step today to ensure he'll retire a Patriot, agreeing
to a three-year contract extension that will keep him under center for New
England through the 2017 season, when he will be 40 years old.
For the second time in his illustrious career, Brady is doing something
players in this day and age simply do not do: As he did in 2005,... 阅读全帖 |
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