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l**w
发帖数: 865
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""I did go back and look at my taxes," Romney said. "And over the past 10
years, I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13
.6 (percent) or something like that."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/17/obama-camp-offers-to-pull-back-on-tax-attacks-if-romney-releases-5-years/#ixzz23onx4FcB
But he only released past two years' return. That is. He refused to release
more. That is why I said "he claim it without evidence".
还有就是版上有些人不讲脏话就不会说话了。

obligated
c****n
发帖数: 21367
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Romney有效税率到底是高还是低,
每个人眼里的“合理”是不一样的标准。说自己的标准比别人的强的,
还是小孩子时代争大王的逻辑,还没学会看待一个多元化的世界。
事实上,穷人和工薪阶级中的很大一部分都会不爽
一个亿万富翁跳出来说他的有效税率是13%,不管他怎么合法避税的。
这个表态就会损伤投票的票基。
Romney这么缴税到底“对”还是“不对”,不是问题。但是他这么
表态,投票给他的人会少一些,这个是问题。
l****z
发帖数: 29846
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为什么会不爽啊? 穷人交的税几乎没有,反而拿倒贴.
工薪阶层的工资是固定的,和Romney的收入完全不可比,Romney的年收入又不固定的,风
险大的很.
所谓又本事的人吃肉, 没本事的人喝汤,这个不是很正常嘛? 你要是不服气,自己搞个
类似Bain capital的公司,自己赚钱就是了,别整天jjww看别人赚钱不爽.
这个和从来不买彩票的人去嫉妒买彩票然后中大奖的人一样无聊.
a******m
发帖数: 1468
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你要从他的角度想。他本来可以一分钱不交的,现在交了13%,已经觉得很肉痛了。不
过,Romney这人一点原则都没有。虽然我觉得Obama把经济搞得一团遭,但Romney很可
能比Obama更糟糕。
c****n
发帖数: 21367
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你这一语道破教会的天机啊。。。嘿嘿
这事不能说是Romney道德败坏,所有教会都是如此的
其实整个欧美政治结构都是如此
越是统治阶级越守规矩越讲“贡献”,为什么呢?
因为老百姓每人贡献10%,统治者一定不会节约自己的10%,
但是他能支配的就实在是太多了。
Romney要当了总统,完全可以显摆说除了安保一分钱工资都不要,
也可以说每年收入全部捐献给美国政府,都无所谓。
能支配那么多资源的权力,等效收益比几千万美元多太多太多了。
可惜啊,老百姓里傻到信教的可多了,嘿嘿。
y****t
发帖数: 10233
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romney税表都是公开的,看一下不都明白了.我老人家看了,没啥花花活,直接的很.
一句话, romney pays AMT

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l**w
发帖数: 865
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不要忘记麻州是最偏蓝的州,民主党在州议会是 supermajority,包括Romney当州长的
时候。Romney曾经veto无数多的议案然后被override.
麻州也是比较富裕,教育很好的州。社会观念上很偏自由派。
麻州和全美国比还是很不同的。
c****n
发帖数: 21367
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voting itself is a joke, either Romney or Obama
are we monkeys? fighting for how 7 peaches divided
between breakfast and dinner?
do not speak stupid things such as "Mitt is for America"
unless you are paid by Romney's campaign.
do you believe in "为人民服务" ?
let me propose a simple change to the current voting system
each voter can vote two positive votes (to different candidates)
and two negative votes (to different candidates).
the candidate with the most postivite votes (nation-wide count)
and a... 阅读全帖
l******a
发帖数: 3803
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来自主题: USANews版 - Democrap's true concern of Romney's plan

those
I remember CNN originated from a local tv station in Atlanta.
And it looks to get back to its past sooner than we thought it would.
Listen to some comments, not everyone talking about the job creation number
at all. I figure Romney/Ryan campaign have been working to lay out a plan to
achieve that.
Have to give Obama/Biden their credits when they boldly rebut:
if you say we failed, what you bring to the table?
Get a solid convincing plan is one step toward raising new hope among
independen... 阅读全帖
m******O
发帖数: 596
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来自主题: USANews版 - 来,贴一个Mitt Romney的宣传片
先说好了,这是Romney的宣传片,宣传就是宣传,真真假假常见得很。我可不会故作天
真无邪状,向耶稣他老人家保证这一切都是真的。另外,本片的任何观点,与本人无关
。哈哈。
十分钟的短片,前三分钟是Romney成功扭转局势的盐湖城冬奥会,后面六分钟是关于他
的家庭,最后四分钟是他创办企业和担任州长的成功经历。
l**t
发帖数: 6971
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大多数人都是这么猜的:
Romney 2008年以前的税表,2008年大选McCain挑副总统的时候都看过。这次McCain公
开说过当时没觉得有什么问题。
2010和2011年的他都公布了,但是2009年及以前他死都不肯公布,也提不出什么
credible的理由。民主党说要么你公布五年(也就是再加上2007/2008/2009),他也是
决不答应。
所以很明显,问题就出在2009年的税表(也可能还有2008年)。他总不能说,2010和
2011都公布,2008以前的也都公布,只有藏着中间一年或两年。那岂不是就更可疑了。
可巧的是,2008和2009是IRS大赦,有海外非法账户的,可以自首交罚款,就免于刑事
处罚。所以一个logical的解释,就是Romney当时自首了,所以会在2008 and/or 2009
的税表上有迹象。所以他绝对不敢公开,公开了就完蛋了。
S*********g
发帖数: 24893
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Gov. Haley Barbour. The Mississippi Governor has been outspoken about the
need for Romney to hand over the documents. “The advice I would give Romney
is: Who cares about your tax returns? Release ’em!” Barbour said in a
phone interview. “We need for this campaign to be about Obama’s record.”
g********d
发帖数: 4174
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney的机会来了
机会是来了,但是ROMNEY抓不住。
A host of Republican foreign policy officials were quick to blast the "utter
disaster" that was Romney's response.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/foreign-policy-hands-voice-dis
f******k
发帖数: 5329
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2009年的税表有问题,2009年的时候他难道不知道自己有可能往上混么?难道不知道这
些丑闻有可能成为把柄么?是被各种势力挟持了才做的么?还是纯粹出于对金钱的贪婪
,见了钱就管不得明天了?
也不是针对Romney,每次这些政客出经济丑闻的时候,我都有这些疑问。性丑闻我比较能
理解,政治丑闻也能理解,像Romney这种纯为钱而冒政治风险的,我觉得他的追求就是
钱,做总统有为名的有为利的,如果选民只能二选一的话,选个为名而做的稍好一些
r******g
发帖数: 4002
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney没戏了
现时的民调不可信,不少老美投ROMNEY是为了把O8赶出白宫,说ROMNEY没戏为时尚早。
c***e
发帖数: 1207
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transcript from ABC News
"Is $100,000 middle income?" Stephanopoulos asked.
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less," Romney responded.
According to Mr. Romney, $100, 000 is not enough for middle income.

的是
人和
nominee
class
s******t
发帖数: 926
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真是太搞笑了,一个DEM说Romney的意思是$100也算中产,另一个DEM说Romney的意思是
$100000都不算中产。
c***e
发帖数: 1207
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When Stephanopoulos asked "Is $100,000 middle income?" Mr. Romney's
answer is "No". we need to ask Mr. Romney what he means.
f*********g
发帖数: 1637
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney's Rushed and Dangerous Bluster
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_postdoc.php?board=USANews&ftype=0
Romney's Rushed and Dangerous Bluster
WASHINGTON -- Once upon a time there was a silver-tongued president. His
foreign policy must have been seen by enemies of the United States as weak
and feckless, because these enemies became emboldened. Mideast terrorists
staged a brutal, bloody attack in which innocent Americans were killed. The
president's response could be seen as a display of shameful weakness rather
than steely resolve.
I'm ... 阅读全帖
d*****s
发帖数: 5610
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Romney认为不交税的47%的是loser,呵呵,不管他说的对还是不对,这47%里面估计1/3
包括大多数redneck会投共和党的票,现在被Romney叫成loser,不知道他们怎么想。
Q****r
发帖数: 7340
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看了那段视频,更是喜欢Romney
本来对Romney 没什么印象,现在看来,比奥巴马强,起码能说实话
d*****s
发帖数: 5610
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney在10月份很有戏
Romney和支持他的SuperPac现在小金库里面的钱比Obama多的多,在7,8,9三个月没花多
少钱,Obama反倒把现金都花了不少。
10月份,Romney会在摇摆州花很多钱,而O8连买电视广告的钱都不够了,到时候就有戏
看了。
b*****d
发帖数: 61690
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney公开2011年的税表 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: Military
标 题: Romney公开2011年的税表
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 21 14:18:42 2012, 美东)
Mitt Romney made $13.7 million last year and paid $1.94 million in federal
income taxes, giving him an effective tax rate of 14.1%, his campaign said
today
i**y
发帖数: 1170
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney公开2011年的税表 (转载)
发信人: coredeng (邓靠), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: Romney公开2011年的税表 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 21 14:25:18 2012, 美东)
That is fucking 3 times less than my percentage.
T-baggers, have you ate your master romney's leftover yet?
When that leftover trickle down to your idiots?
3 TIMES???? Explain it sucker.

percentage.
l******d
发帖数: 1633
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来自主题: USANews版 - 相比Romney的14%,你交多少tax?
The Romneys paid a higher effective tax rate than the average middle-income
American, though a significantly lower rate than the average rich, or very
rich, American.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/romneys-taxes-com

到8
t*b
发帖数: 850
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来自主题: USANews版 - 相比Romney的14%,你交多少tax?
Federal tax bracket: 33%
Average or effective tax rate:
20.2% using total income
23.4% using adjusted gross income
27.3% using taxable income
I support Romney!
Guys, what Romney did is that he just followed the tax law just as we did. I
have no problem with that.
If you want him to pay more tax, change the tax law and stop whining.
i**y
发帖数: 1170
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来自主题: USANews版 - 相比Romney的14%,你交多少tax?
似乎o8粉们没有一个报自己的税率的,只有一个敢说“我比Romney多”,也不敢说具体
多少,因为其实没报过那么多,说细节容易露馅(按照o8攻击Romney的逻辑)
Q****r
发帖数: 7340
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来自主题: USANews版 - 相比Romney的14%,你交多少tax?
有啊,可只敢说缴了payroll tax

似乎o8粉们没有一个报自己的税率的,只有一个敢说“我比Romney多”,也不敢说具体
多少,因为其实没报过那么多,说细节容易露馅(按照o8攻击Romney的逻辑)
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.56
i**y
发帖数: 1170
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来自主题: USANews版 - 相比Romney的14%,你交多少tax?
对,可是这些“真正”比Romney高的,其实绝大多数都支持共和党
这版上民主党的粉丝们都只是叫嚣比Romney高,其实根本不敢说自己的税率。一般15万
收入有房有娃投些401k,FSA什么的,最后都很难超过14%。收入再高的,支持民主党的
比例就要急剧下降了。
a*********a
发帖数: 3656
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来自主题: USANews版 - 相比Romney的14%,你交多少tax?
1. Romney can argue that his investment income is taxed at corporate level
already, likely at a higher rate than 7.65%. So his tax rate according to
your method is much higher than 14%.
2. Employer part of FICA is "labor cost" not compensation. If you count this
in as "employee paid tax", then I would argue the tax base should be "labor
cost" which should include employer paid health care and pension, 401k
matches, unemployment insurance etc.
3. Namely, FICA are taxes the same way ObamaCare's pe... 阅读全帖
d****e
发帖数: 839
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来自主题: USANews版 - 相比Romney的14%,你交多少tax?
我家有娃有房,double income, effective federal income tax 是 16%。 问题是
Romney这种收入水平是不是应该比我们硅工硅婆多交点税。(当然Romney的charitable
donation就比我们的总收入高得多.)
大家知道奥8的tax rate是多少嘛?
y**********o
发帖数: 241
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其实,就romney本身来讲,他应该是务实派,他做总统,估计不会比obama差。
但问题是共和党的极右化再加一个茶党,romney根本就是被劫持了。

for
tax
l******x
发帖数: 1697
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信。
要看 romney怎么反扑了
Charles Krauhammer 今天说romney 的问题是not big enough.然也
c****n
发帖数: 21367
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来自主题: USANews版 - 几点朴素的支持Romney的原因
Romney到现在为止poll落后的一个很重要原因就是,
他在很大一部分基督徒(天主教,东正教,新教)眼中不是基督徒
不信你可以就在本站的基督徒版面做一个调查,
看看有多少人认为摩门教是基督教的分支
当然,所有政客和所有美国总统都是不信教的,只是表面上有个宗教信仰而已
Romney这个表面功夫都做不到位,是个悲剧。
d*****s
发帖数: 5610
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我早就说过,romney想给millionaire减税,但是要扩大税基,当然就会在deduction上
面找办法,对中产来说,home mortgage, property tax,local and state tax
deduction是大头,如果自己税率不是在long term investment 收入的15%上面,大多
数买房老中会在romney税收政策下面亏。
c********i
发帖数: 1489
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Romney最后总结陈词的时候一连甩出了至少四个数字,巴马就只会"fight for
American fight for Middle Class"。Romney还是沉稳理智务实的,可惜大部分美国人
对数字不甚敏感,所以不知道选民会更买谁的帐一些。我仍然在摇摆观望中……
I*1
发帖数: 5635
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so you can imagine how bad Obama's performance was tonight.
CNN panel of independent voters ALL say Romney won, ALL say they are
voting for Romney. Wow!
l*****8
发帖数: 16949
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Bama比Romney多用了很多时间了。但是让人听过后不知所云。相反Romney虽然用的时间
少,但给人感觉道理说得很清楚(虽然实际有浮夸的成分),井井有条。
b*****d
发帖数: 61690
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney认错了
Mitt Romney said he was "completely wrong" when he argued that 47% of
Americans were "victims," depended on government.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/04/romney-on-47-co
d********r
发帖数: 1238
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney能不能少说点话
看看自己的粉丝说的多好,说实话Romney的竞选团队很差
By repudiating the comment entirely, Romney looks flip floppy again, lacking
in conviction. He should try this-- "My 47% figure overstated it. While
that IS the % who do not pay income taxes and therefore do not benefit from
tax cuts. But, that was not the right figure to use because it includes the
working poor, elderly on SS, veterans, etc. My underlying point was that
there are people who depend entirely on the government for their livelihood,
rather than seeing g... 阅读全帖
y****t
发帖数: 10233
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嘿嘿...
Romney “Cheat Sheet” Was A Handkerchief
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-cheat-sheet-was-a-ha
l****z
发帖数: 29846
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来自主题: USANews版 - Romney Pulls Ahead in New National Poll
by Jammie
Yup, sure looks like respondents to polls also thought Obama got his ass
kicked all over the stage Wednesday night.
There’s no debate about it — Mitt’s bouncing high.
After what many saw as a landslide victory during the first presidential
debate last Wednesday, Mitt Romney led President Obama by two percent in a
national poll released today, winning support from 49 percent of voters
nationwide, compared to Obama’s 47 percent.
Going into the debate, Obama led by two points,... 阅读全帖
t*b
发帖数: 850
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来自主题: USANews版 - 澄清Romney的$17,000 deduction cap
我相信大部分老中都不会超过$34000 itemized deduction total.
当然这个主要看你的房贷利息。
我们按照$200k adjusted gross income来算 (这个收入你已经在全国家庭收入top 2%
了):
State income tax 应该在$12,000左右。
假设你有房贷50万(我们按照变态深蓝州算,别忘了你不是每年都有同样多的房贷),
4%利息一年2万。
vehicle property tax 算你顶天$2000.
加起来一共也就才$34,000.
剩下的就看你的charity donation 和 real estate tax。
别忘了Romney把最高税率降到20%,那也同时意味着其他几档税率也会同时降低,也就
是你的effective or average tax rate也会降下来。如果最高个人收入税率真能从35%
降到20%,你的平均税率会降至少5%左右。目前tax system, 收入在20万左右的一般家
庭平均税率比你的tax bracket低至少10点。也就是如果你的tax bracket 在25%,你的
平均税率也就顶... 阅读全帖
l**t
发帖数: 6971
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来自主题: USANews版 - 澄清Romney的$17,000 deduction cap

更神奇的是,楼主说的话,其实没有一句是Romney说的!是Romney说的话太不得人心,
楼主编出一套谎言来安抚大家了!
f*********g
发帖数: 1637
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: feynmanring (O圈), 信区: Military
标 题: Romney 主要 赢 于 其 used car salesperson skills
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Oct 7 10:14:58 2012, 美东)
按照 "Who Lied the Most at Wednesday’s Debate?"引据第三方独立分析, 本人的
估算是,如果讲完全真话得1分,大体正确得0.75分,半真半假得0.5分,基本是假话
- 0.75 分。那么O 的总分是 2x1 + 3x0.75 + 3 x 0.5 = 5.75, 而R 的总分是
1x1+ 1x0.75 + 3x0.5 + 2x ( - 0.75 ) = 1.75 分。所以俩者的比例是
5.75 比 1.75,就讲真话而言,O 大胜。
那么为何多数人认为R大 胜? 因为对于象辩论如此的瞬时事件,多数人更看风格,少看
实质,所以car salesperson R 大 胜。
"According to PolitiFact, the presi... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Comparing Romney and Obama on Syria
Daniel Halper
October 8, 2012 11:02 AM
Later this morning, in remarks at the Virginia Military Institute,
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney will say:
In Syria, I will work with our partners to identify and organize those
members of the opposition who share our values and ensure they obtain the
arms they need to defeat Assad’s tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets. Iran
is sending arms to Assad because they know his downfall would be a
strategic defeat for them. We should be worki... 阅读全帖
l****z
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By Matthew Sheffield | October 08, 2012 | 17:25

In his speech to the Republican National Convention earlier this year, actor
Clint Eastwood told the assembled crowd that there are more conservatives
and moderates in Hollywood than they might think. Such people “play closer
to the vest. They do not go around hot dogging it,” Eastwood said.
Unfortunately, actress Stacey Dash is finding out the hard way what happens
to those celebrities who are willing to think for themselves: they get
attacke... 阅读全帖
l*n
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来自主题: USANews版 - 一帮中国人在支持Romney反中国
在这个版上看到一帮自认为是top 5%的人整天支持Romney。如果是台湾人也就算了,偏
偏都是大陆出来的。
不知道他们看到Romney最近几个礼拜以后的所有与中国有关的论调感觉如何。
还在共和党辩论的时候,他就说什么中国企业拿走了本来属于美国人的钱。他难道不知
道一个iphone,中国企业只能拿到2%的利润?
他后来又说过,中国是cheater,对于美国企业采取不正当竞争抢夺美国人的饭碗。但
就是他和他代表的米犹银行集团,为了利益最大化,把大量的工作转移到亚洲,现在他
的嘴里中国反倒成为了cheater。
前两天又更上一层楼,直接说中国是货币操纵国,信誓旦旦的说,只要自己一上台,立
刻给所有中国商品加征惩罚性关税,来逼着人民币升值。本来国内大城市的物价已经达
到这里的Sales Price水平,如果再升值,国内的亲朋好友只能用whole food的价格买
菜了。
难道这里的罗粉们完全不关心中国么?
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来自主题: USANews版 - 一帮中国人在支持Romney反中国
Romney上台对中国是好事吧。减税、outsource...受害的反而是在美国的老中。减税政
策只会让贫富差距更大,财政赤字更大,债务更高,让美国经济持续失血,outsrouce
更直接损害中产的利益,工作都没了还搞什么搞。搞不懂一帮子老中明明靠着工资活命
,怎么会投Romney
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西裔选民也逆转了,46%支持Romney,44%支持Obama。
一位委内瑞拉移民说的好:
"We ran away from other countries in search of a more traditional United
States," said Coral Gables resident Mary Gonzalez, who immigrated from
Venezuela. "I think with the current president, the United States moves to (
the left). And with Romney, I believe he can return the United States to its
traditional course."
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/timesbay-news-9h
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