s******t
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updownlife (渔夫) 于 (Wed May 4 23:39:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
好像版上好多人在赌博 SLV， 本蛙我来贡献一个对于slv 的理解吧
1）理解1： SLV = A composit portfolio of Future contract of the silver
* 买SLV 实际上是在间接持有 long contract of the silver
* 卖SLV 实际上是在间接持有 short contract of the silver
根据基金经理的解释， 基金的目的match "slv" price with the real silver price
. 如果你是 SLV owner, 你有权要求基金在＂将来的某一天”将你所持的"slv" 股份
转换成一定量的真银
核心： 买SLV是纯粹的投机，be careful about contango
2) 理解2: ETF 性质
* 作为ETF, "SLV"没有一个固定的“sharesout... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****l
发帖数: 5997 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 Stock 讨论区 】
发信人: sillycat (^_^), 信区: Stock
标 题: [合集] 我对silver ETF (SLV) 的理解
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Aug 10 13:31:51 2011, 美东)
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updownlife (渔夫) 于 (Wed May 4 23:39:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
好像版上好多人在赌博 SLV， 本蛙我来贡献一个对于slv 的理解吧
1）理解1： SLV = A composit portfolio of Future contract of the silver
* 买SLV 实际上是在间接持有 long contract of the silver
* 卖SLV 实际上是在间接持有 short contract of the silver
根据基金经理的解释， 基金的目的match "slv" price with the real silver price
. 如果你是 SLV owne... 阅读全帖 |
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u********e
发帖数: 4950 | 3 好像版上好多人在赌博 SLV， 本蛙我来贡献一个对于slv 的理解吧
1）理解1： SLV = A composit portfolio of Future contract of the silver
* 买SLV 实际上是在间接持有 long contract of the silver
* 卖SLV 实际上是在间接持有 short contract of the silver
根据基金经理的解释， 基金的目的match "slv" price with the real silver price
. 如果你是 SLV owner, 你有权要求基金在＂将来的某一天”将你所持的"slv" 股份
转换成一定量的真银
核心： 买SLV是纯粹的投机，be careful about contango
2) 理解2: ETF 性质
* 作为ETF, "SLV"没有一个固定的“sharesoutstanding".
"SLV"可以随时“制造“或“分解”share. 当你想购买"SLV" 但市场上没有人卖给你
时，授权的MM可以随时“制造“出share 卖给你，“sharesoutsta... 阅读全帖 |
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g********5
发帖数: 10335 | 4 5/27/2011 8:46:29 AM 275547814 WBT SOLD -1 SLV 100 (Weeklys) MAY4 11 36 CALL
@1.16 AMEX
5/27/2011 8:46:29 AM 275547814 WBT SOLD -2 SLV 100 (Weeklys) MAY4 11 36
CALL @1.16 AMEX
5/27/2011 8:46:29 AM 275547814 WBT SOLD -1 SLV 100 (Weeklys) MAY4 11 36
CALL @1.16 AMEX
5/27/2011 8:46:29 AM 275547814 WBT SOLD -2 SLV 100 (Weeklys) MAY4 11 36
CALL @1.16 AMEX
5/27/2011 8:46:29 AM 275547814 WBT SELL -48 SLV 100 (Weeklys) MAY4 11 36
CALL @1.16 LMT AMEX FILLED
5/27/2011 8:46:29 AM 275547814 W... 阅读全帖 |
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c*w
发帖数: 4736 | 5 嗯。。。
我选的这个日子，是SLV yahoo price history最早的那个日子。
20081030 silver 10.02 SLV adjusted price 9.68
20100223: silver 16.01 SLV adjusted price 15.57
return: silver 59.78%, SLV 61%
看来你说的这个比较靠普
underperformed |
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c*w
发帖数: 4736 | 6 【 以下文字转载自 Investment 讨论区 】
发信人: cyw (口令), 信区: Investment
标 题: SLV的长时间return怎么比银差这么多？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 24 12:30:40 2010, 美东)
20060428: silver 12.555 SLV adjusted price 13.81
20100223: silver 16.01 SLV adjusted price 15.57
period return: silver 27.5%, SLV 12.7%
wtf? |
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q********u
发帖数: 15519 | 7 上周看见银子有暂时筑底反弹的迹象？
就连续几天买了八万股SLV均价36.8?
卖出了SLV WEEKLY OPTION 37 周五五月二十七日到期？大约受益两万块？
周五SLV收盘37.03?
八万股SLV全部被CALL走？
算不算有点受益？
风险是不是大了一点？
以后还可以继续这样搞WEEKLY OPTION COVERED CALLS赚钱吗？
请大牛大熊大虾大侠指教？
感激不尽？ |
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q********u
发帖数: 15519 | 8 自己最近作多SLV?
主要还是害怕美元美债技术性违约？
全球纸币泛滥成灾贬值？
银子大跌出来一点点机会？
SLV背后大户势力强大？
中印今年和未来银子进口储备战略大势所趋？
不过最近几天SLV的交易量越来越小？
SLV平均每天交易量是七千万股？
昨天只交易了不到三千万股？
嘛意思？
请教大牛大师青蛙蝌蚪老师？
谢谢？ |
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q********u
发帖数: 15519 | 9 银子双倍ETN的AGQ的确是炒作银子的好工具？
AGQ大起大落？
青蛙蝌蚪小股民还是要远离AGQ好一点？
AGQ不如SLV来得稳定？
不过SLV随着银价波澜壮阔？
银子现货比银子ETF的SLV要好一点？
一点感叹？
是不？ |
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q********u
发帖数: 15519 | 10 哈哈哈？
自己选错了方向？
今天贵金属这么强势居然选择做空SLV?
烧了三千股SLV在三十五点一七？
不得不止损买回SLV三千股三十五点七？
自己这个小小小学生尝到了这个疯牛市的厉害啦？
被SLV烧焦焦点冷水是大好事啊？
是不？ |
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c*w
发帖数: 4736 | 11 20060428: silver 12.555 SLV adjusted price 13.81
20100223: silver 16.01 SLV adjusted price 15.57
period return: silver 27.5%, SLV 12.7%
wtf? |
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w****o
发帖数: 2260 | 12 SLV的价格是如何定的？ 是不是由iShares Silver Trust的银子储存量和银价共同决定
的？
SLV是不是随着银价在波动？
如果哪天iShares Silver Trust把所持有的银子全都卖出，是不是SLV都归于零？
谢谢科普！ |
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G*******m
发帖数: 16326 | 13 I have 5 SLV 0618 34 put options and 5 SLV 0618 35 put options to support
500 share SLV. |
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G*******m
发帖数: 16326 | 14 Sold to close 5 SLV 0618 36 put.
5 SLV 0610 36 put will assign 500 shares SLV to me. |
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h***e
发帖数: 20195 | 15 【 以下文字转载自 Stock 讨论区 】
发信人: qihuuqihuu (胡说胡话), 信区: Stock
标 题: 大跌眼镜？SLV四大新股东？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 8 08:03:43 2011, 美东)
As evidenced by the 13-F Edgar filings, the four largest holders of the
SLV have now shifted hands from large institutional funds and into the
hands of Bank of America(BAC_), Morgan Stanley(MS_), JP Morgan(JPM_) and
Blackrock themselves.
银子ETF的SLV四大新股东居然是花街金融大户BAC/MS/JPM/BLK?
哈哈哈？
玩笑开大啦？
是不？ |
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w****l
发帖数: 6122 | 16 SLV总共才87亿市值，今天就成交了39亿美元 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 17 *Note Scotiabank is one of the top silver shorter @ CRIMEX, I mean COMEX.
JPM is the biggest and they setup SLV. HSBC is biggest gold shorter and
they are behind GLD. The pure purpose of SLV & GLD is to divert physical
demand to paper certificates. When you wanna claim physical position you
get the treatment like below. Can you say 'Madoff'?
=====================================================================
By Christie Blatchford From Saturday's Globe and Mail
In the end, nothing else would d |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 18 "There were no changes in GLD... but the SLV reported another huge
withdrawal. This time 1,961,360 ounces were taken out. Obviously one of the
'authorized participants' needed their silver badly... as there's nothing in
the recent price action that would indicate that metal should be flowing
out of the fund. On the contrary, large amounts should be flowing in... but
aren't. Since February 26th... 8.3 million ounces of silver have been
withdrawn from SLV. Why, you ask? Well, its probably beca |
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n******n
发帖数: 12088 | 19 slv到底是涨是跌呢？
股票的etf比较好理解。期货和贵金属的都比较奇怪。像slv，broker怎么动态创建股份
呢？ |
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b******r
发帖数: 16603 | 20 我也来害人一把了。。。看你账户不小，如果可以的话，不如裸卖一点点Dec 28之类
的put。。反正你看多slv，最差结果，相当于你（28-premium) 买进SLV。。。
当然仓位要小。。 |
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w********1
发帖数: 3492 | 21 why slv 是computer driven？
si，slv options 那么多。。这个连带不是那么容易吧？
而且还有gold跟着动。 |
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n**8
发帖数: 123 | 22 I'm watching SLV and feel that it moves very similar to what USO did when it
crashed from the high. I lost big on USO and experienced the minor rebound
like SLV is doing today. Only failed to sell with small profit and
eventually ended with big losses.
This reminder is also applicable to me. |
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n******D
发帖数: 193 | 23 提醒的好
今天终于把20多进的SLV扔了，主要是看不清楚银子的走势，先出来一下算了。早上想
short AGQ也没有行动，同样的原因，把握不是很大。
不用非逮着SLV, AGQ才能挣钱对吧，尤其在这个上下都是飞刀的关口 |
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 24 disagree
SLV you can buy and hold, average down, even if you buy at 48, you can get
money back.
USO & AGQ: similiar
AGQ in the long term, it goes to ZERO. After three years, the price of AGQ is below that of SLV. (today is 180 : 34)
USO future contract issue, it goes down slowly in the long term, like UNG
it
rebound |
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h**********e
发帖数: 413 | 25 zsl is the reverse of slv. slv up then zsl down. |
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u*********r
发帖数: 1181 | 26 其实就是庄家的左口袋右口袋！
散户想赚钱很难。
尤其ZSL, SLV 跌很多它丫不涨或很少，slv 涨一点它丫2X 的跌 |
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q********u
发帖数: 15519 | 27 As evidenced by the 13-F Edgar filings, the four largest holders of the
SLV have now shifted hands from large institutional funds and into the
hands of Bank of America(BAC_), Morgan Stanley(MS_), JP Morgan(JPM_) and
Blackrock themselves.
银子ETF的SLV四大新股东居然是花街金融大户BAC/MS/JPM/BLK?
哈哈哈？
玩笑开大啦？
是不？ |
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q********u
发帖数: 15519 | 28 就连COMEX和芝加哥期货交易所也准备大肆购买银子ETF的SLV以防万一现货银子严重缺
货暴仓？JPM作
多银子SLV也是一种对冲风险啊？是不？ |
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g***c
发帖数: 11523 | 29 银子现货有啥用？
家里没地方放，又怕被偷
SLV挺好的
长期持有 |
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p**8
发帖数: 3883 | 30 看你紧张的。
对SLV/AGQ不是坏消息。更多的人参与SLV/AGQ的交易。变化幅度可能变小。 |
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H******e
发帖数: 4682 | 31 After people bought it, SLV goes down again. :(
I hold some SLV position. Anybody is shorting it? :) |
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p*****s
发帖数: 4393 | 32 呵呵， 大夫喊底SLV的时候我进了银矿， 昨天跟着进了AMD的call
多谢啦！
papyrus，您好：
您转给 Lexian,现金(伪币):50,收取手续费:0.5
同时附加了如下留言给 Lexian.
SLV & AMD |
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t**8
发帖数: 4527 | 33 所有的fund etf 都有decay， 包括 SPY也有management fee， 但spy 的 个股有分红
， 所以看不出decay
slv 和 gld显然没有分红， 加上contract 买卖， 费用很高
极端假设， 1000000 年以后， gold sliver 和现在的价格相同， slv 和 gld 一定是
0, 钱都被年薪百万的fund manager 和证券商挣走了 |
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w****l
发帖数: 6122 | 34 SLV,GLD一般都是同涨同跌，但是SLV的幅度要比GLD大，前者两位百分比，后者可能只
有个位百分比。
应该可以pair trading,但是怎么操作好呢？ |
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l******n
发帖数: 393 | 35 我想要的物品:
SMS Audio SMS-WS-SLV SYNC by 50 Cent@150
单张面值:
108 finishline
可接受的价格(必须明码标价！):
150
物品新旧要求:
Brand New
邮寄方式要求:
ML
买卖双方谁承担邮寄损失(Required if not code only):
default
付款方式说明:
non-cc pp, bill pay
其他补充说明:
广告的有效期:
till got
物品来源:
我的联系方式:
PM
二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！: |
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l******n
发帖数: 393 | 36 我想要的物品:
SMS Audio SMS-WS-SLV SYNC by 50 Cent@150
单张面值:
108 finishline
可接受的价格(必须明码标价！):
150
物品新旧要求:
Brand New
邮寄方式要求:
ML
买卖双方谁承担邮寄损失(Required if not code only):
default
付款方式说明:
non-cc pp, bill pay
其他补充说明:
广告的有效期:
till got
物品来源:
我的联系方式:
PM
二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！: |
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c****x
发帖数: 2674 | 37 我想要的物品:
Dell i13z 8864 slv @ $378
单张面值:
可接受的价格(必须明码标价！):
378
物品新旧要求:
new
邮寄方式要求:
ML
买卖双方谁承担邮寄损失(Required if not code only):
付款方式说明:
其他补充说明:
广告的有效期:
物品来源:
我的联系方式:
二手交易风险自负！请自行验证是否合法和一手卡！: |
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s**********n
发帖数: 868 | 38 I believe I tried some data points before and found that SLV underperformed
silver price by about 0.5% per year, which is in line with the management
fee.
Somehow around your chosen starting date (20060428) silver saw extremely
high volatility. On 20060502, or the next trading after 20060428, silver
closed at 13.92, up by 11%. |
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n******n
发帖数: 12088 | 39 btw, how do gld/slv work?
say, if someone place a big order on gld to push the price up,
mm would sell etf while buy physical gold to arbitrage so as to synch gld
and gold spot price? |
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n******n
发帖数: 12088 | 40 现货跌2.6%
SLV跌1.3%
巨大的套利机会，可惜散户没法做。 |
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p********N
发帖数: 111 | 41 SVM: average price$5.02
INTC: avergae $19.45
SLV: $14.75
OCNF: $0.74
Not to count gch@$8.9, gld@$82, BAC@$3.2, ACH@$11.5, pgh@$5.4, CAGC@$2.25
YTD, Stock account>$370K
I am not meaned to say everyone else is a LOSER.
But I just follow RIM's footstep, buy on dip. Never sell. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 42 In other words, certain 'authorized participants' probably received a
margin call on physical silver from some other clients and they had so
little physical that they had no choice but to take it from their SLV
stash to cover the call.
One might say, "Well it's just for now. If next month they are able to
acquire enough physical from the refineries, then it's not a big deal."
The problem is when you artificially suppress silver's price to a nutty
low level you discourage the mining industry, whi |
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w****l
发帖数: 6122 | 43 一般股票都是PUT比CALL贵，为什么GLD SLV的反过来了？
我的意思是比如股票价格20，那么我比较三个月后strike在20的put和call 价格。 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 44
GLD and SLV are all derivative fraud waiting to crumble. Stay away. Plus
they are classified as collectibles having to pay a 28% gain tax, higher
than the capital gain tax. They are not backed by real physical metals
and yet carry physical collectible tax, how screwy is that?
You want to play gold fund try PHYS that is managed by more trustworthy
people and pay ordinary capital gain tax. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 45
GLD and SLV are managed by two of the biggest naked short sellers in the
COMEX. When the global run on gold and silver kicks off, and it will in
not too distant future, you bet these guys will pull the physicals from
these ETFs to cover their ass in COMEX. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 46
The last thing any silver investors should touch is SLV paper fraud. |
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w*******o
发帖数: 6125 | 48 Assumed TA is working.
If SLV gap down tomorrow and not filled the gap,
it looks like a very classic island reversal pattern. |
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w*****d
发帖数: 1172 | 49 面壁师傅，你好象说slv call持有到上周一啊 |
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