O****v
发帖数: 383 | 1 I have officially rejected this offer, but here's the story:
Tiny(14 people) CPA firm, first contacted me yesterday, I emailed them my
resume a month ago, did a phone interview with 2 people for about 2 hours in
3 calls. At the end, they asked when I'm available for an in-person
interview. I said today. So this morning I went in, waited 45 minutes before
being interviewed. Apparently, there was a white guy whom was being
interviewed ahead of me. Office is tiny, restrooms are shared and located a |
h******h
发帖数: 655 | 2 别去！这种小firm出来也没有前途的。其实做IA钱拿的比较多，而且好多地方都挺缺人
的。
in
before
at
about
letters,
【在 O****v 的大作中提到】
: I have officially rejected this offer, but here's the story:
: Tiny(14 people) CPA firm, first contacted me yesterday, I emailed them my
: resume a month ago, did a phone interview with 2 people for about 2 hours in
: 3 calls. At the end, they asked when I'm available for an in-person
: interview. I said today. So this morning I went in, waited 45 minutes before
: being interviewed. Apparently, there was a white guy whom was being
: interviewed ahead of me. Office is tiny, restrooms are shared and located a
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I****s
发帖数: 467 | 3 你的IA这么不好嘛? 通常ＩＡ比external auditor要好啊.
我觉得你不应该去. 先在IA混着,然后争取转其他部门. |
x*****3
发帖数: 15 | 4 For Chinese, accounting or internal audit always is hard for the future
career promotion. But I don't know if you go to the small firm, it will be
better? and the salary is too low and seems not worth to try. Anyone have a
successful path in a small firm?
BTW, what kind of questions you were asked by the interviewer?
It looks like we are on the same boat.
in
before
at
about
letters,
【在 O****v 的大作中提到】
: I have officially rejected this offer, but here's the story:
: Tiny(14 people) CPA firm, first contacted me yesterday, I emailed them my
: resume a month ago, did a phone interview with 2 people for about 2 hours in
: 3 calls. At the end, they asked when I'm available for an in-person
: interview. I said today. So this morning I went in, waited 45 minutes before
: being interviewed. Apparently, there was a white guy whom was being
: interviewed ahead of me. Office is tiny, restrooms are shared and located a
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c******u
发帖数: 79 | 5 You can not gain any more valuable experience there than those you had now. Their
review/audit accounts are samll, simple and boring as well. It will not
enhance your experience, rather hurt your career. |
O****v
发帖数: 383 | 6 But the problem is I cannot stand the IA work, so much BS.
【在 h******h 的大作中提到】
: 别去！这种小firm出来也没有前途的。其实做IA钱拿的比较多，而且好多地方都挺缺人
: 的。
:
: in
: before
: at
: about
: letters,
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 7 The work is too boring, I'm just sick and tired to looking at controls,
process documentation, and doing compliance testing etc... I rather work
with numbers.
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 你的IA这么不好嘛? 通常ＩＡ比external auditor要好啊.
: 我觉得你不应该去. 先在IA混着,然后争取转其他部门.
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 8 Alot of the 'tell me about yourself' questions, I had to repeat the same
thing to 5 peopel, so understandly my version of the story just got shorter
and shorter. I did get asked the famous 'describe a time when you faced an
obstacle and how you overcome it' question. Interview is really about how
well you BS.
a
【在 x*****3 的大作中提到】
: For Chinese, accounting or internal audit always is hard for the future
: career promotion. But I don't know if you go to the small firm, it will be
: better? and the salary is too low and seems not worth to try. Anyone have a
: successful path in a small firm?
: BTW, what kind of questions you were asked by the interviewer?
: It looks like we are on the same boat.
:
: in
: before
: at
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 9 The problem is I'm doing lots of SOX work and operational and IT audits,
very few finanical audits, I have no clue of my copmany's accounts seriously.
. Their
【在 c******u 的大作中提到】
: You can not gain any more valuable experience there than those you had now. Their
: review/audit accounts are samll, simple and boring as well. It will not
: enhance your experience, rather hurt your career.
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t****4
发帖数: 625 | 10 我觉得没有去的理由。
1你已经基本上CERTIFIED了
2小firm要做所有的事，BK，PAYROLL，SALES TAX，INCOME TAX,等等，烦不胜烦。
3你现在的公司既然有IA说明是具一定规模的，我个人认为你不会习惯那种小所得工作
环境和氛围。
4low pay 且可以预见的加班
另外如果你还是想去的话建议你去PCAOB的网站上查查他们是不是有资格做上市公司的
审计。有的话去SEC的网站上查查他们上市公司客户规模。 |
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h*******0
发帖数: 73 | 11 what you described is a big part of external audit too
【在 O****v 的大作中提到】
: The work is too boring, I'm just sick and tired to looking at controls,
: process documentation, and doing compliance testing etc... I rather work
: with numbers.
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s******g
发帖数: 654 | 12 You may just go for it. A small local CPA firm may not be a good idea for
someone who enjoys a big project or big company. However, there are still
many CPAs running small CPA firms/business. If you are a business type
person, then small CPA firm is good for you to learn starting your own
business. Mid/small business owners may make more than 2 million a year in
the US. Just like many of my clients. When big companies lose their jobs in
2008 ~ 2009, many mid/small firms/companies are getting big |
I****s
发帖数: 467 | 13 呵呵, 你想开点啦, 哪里不都是混嘛?
我觉得你找个机会转到finance部门去比去事务所好多了.
【在 O****v 的大作中提到】
: The work is too boring, I'm just sick and tired to looking at controls,
: process documentation, and doing compliance testing etc... I rather work
: with numbers.
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 14 Yeah, I agree with you, I'll probably pass this one up. I think their main
clientele is small to medium sized businesses.
【在 t****4 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得没有去的理由。
: 1你已经基本上CERTIFIED了
: 2小firm要做所有的事，BK，PAYROLL，SALES TAX，INCOME TAX,等等，烦不胜烦。
: 3你现在的公司既然有IA说明是具一定规模的，我个人认为你不会习惯那种小所得工作
: 环境和氛围。
: 4low pay 且可以预见的加班
: 另外如果你还是想去的话建议你去PCAOB的网站上查查他们是不是有资格做上市公司的
: 审计。有的话去SEC的网站上查查他们上市公司客户规模。
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 15 Yeah, I agree with you, especially with the salary they offer me. I will
stay at where I am and continue looking.
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵, 你想开点啦, 哪里不都是混嘛?
: 我觉得你找个机会转到finance部门去比去事务所好多了.
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 16 That's why I would like to eventually rotate out of audit for good.
【在 h*******0 的大作中提到】
: what you described is a big part of external audit too
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s*******y
发帖数: 1138 | 17 dump it, people work for these small CPA firms only for CPA certification,
but you don't need it.
try accounting/finance/budget positions in big corporations like the 2 you
worked for before. |
m*****t
发帖数: 697 | 18 一般小公司一开始就问你现在赚多少，你对新工作预期的工资是多少。你这六七万的收
入跟四万不在一个挡次。他们怎么会叫你去面试。。。 |
m**y
发帖数: 191 | 19 Just follow your mind. Don't believe in something superficial added on your
resume. It not real. Don't believe in big firm v. small firm controversy.
It's the same. You only grow up and gain strength from your "own" experience
wherever you learn it.
I can understand your plight. Even you will be the lone wolf on the street,
you still should follow your mind.
Be an entrepreneur on a path by yourself only. Differentiate yourself and
you will succeed. |
y********e
发帖数: 8315 | 20 确实，简直是搞笑
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】
: 一般小公司一开始就问你现在赚多少，你对新工作预期的工资是多少。你这六七万的收
: 入跟四万不在一个挡次。他们怎么会叫你去面试。。。
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 21 They never asked me about my salary. When communicating the offer to me on
the phone, they said the salary might be a little bit lower than what I'm
making now. Well, it's not a little bit low, it's alot lower. I mean I know
fresh undergrad with no experience and no CPA gets 55K in my city. Even
economy's shit now, I still deserve something more than 50k with my
background.
【在 m*****t 的大作中提到】
: 一般小公司一开始就问你现在赚多少，你对新工作预期的工资是多少。你这六七万的收
: 入跟四万不在一个挡次。他们怎么会叫你去面试。。。
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 22 Well, I have to ensure survival first, right? I doubt anyone would work for
free when he/she has bills to pay.
your
experience
,
【在 m**y 的大作中提到】
: Just follow your mind. Don't believe in something superficial added on your
: resume. It not real. Don't believe in big firm v. small firm controversy.
: It's the same. You only grow up and gain strength from your "own" experience
: wherever you learn it.
: I can understand your plight. Even you will be the lone wolf on the street,
: you still should follow your mind.
: Be an entrepreneur on a path by yourself only. Differentiate yourself and
: you will succeed.
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m**y
发帖数: 191 | 23 You are right in term of the expected salary and your current living
standard. You can still wait for another opportunity. But have you ever
thought that they are testing you? I also agree with you if you say they are
abusing you.
for
【在 O****v 的大作中提到】
: Well, I have to ensure survival first, right? I doubt anyone would work for
: free when he/she has bills to pay.
:
: your
: experience
: ,
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i*********s
发帖数: 164 | 24 why not try to neogtiate the salary? Tell them what you will accept. |
O****v
发帖数: 383 | 25 If they're testing my salary negotiation skills. Well they had it, I tried
to negotiate and they won't budge. If they're trying to test my commitment,
then that's just stupid. Low pay would almost always drive people away or
result in low morale. Higher pay should be how employers show how much they
value you and want you for the position. So with all that said, I've already
said no to the offer, I mean even if I take the offer, I'll probably be a
disgruntled employee and wouldn't be as producti
【在 m**y 的大作中提到】
: You are right in term of the expected salary and your current living
: standard. You can still wait for another opportunity. But have you ever
: thought that they are testing you? I also agree with you if you say they are
: abusing you.
:
: for
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O****v
发帖数: 383 | 26 I did, I sent an email to them on Thursday expressing that I think the pay
is on the conservative side. Got a call from them on Friday, said the best
they can do is to give me a performance review in 6 months rather than 1
year. If my performance was spectacular, I will be looking at 50K range, 55K
would still be a hard stretch.
They went on further to say that they've offered higher salary to some folks
before but they left the firm rather quickly, that's why they want to be
extra cautious this
【在 i*********s 的大作中提到】
: why not try to neogtiate the salary? Tell them what you will accept.
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t*****g
发帖数: 2941 | 27 当然不能去,40k太低了
in
before
at
about
letters,
【在 O****v 的大作中提到】
: I have officially rejected this offer, but here's the story:
: Tiny(14 people) CPA firm, first contacted me yesterday, I emailed them my
: resume a month ago, did a phone interview with 2 people for about 2 hours in
: 3 calls. At the end, they asked when I'm available for an in-person
: interview. I said today. So this morning I went in, waited 45 minutes before
: being interviewed. Apparently, there was a white guy whom was being
: interviewed ahead of me. Office is tiny, restrooms are shared and located a
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