d****u
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m*******r
发帖数: 3635 | |
d********o
发帖数: 184 | |
s*****g
发帖数: 5159 | 4 LD从11月以来，每天8：30离开家，平均11：30到家，周末目前还没有加班。
【在 d********o 的大作中提到】
: 真的么？一直听说很苦的。。。。
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r*********y
发帖数: 599 | 5 才11月就这样了？。。。
那2月可怎么办啊
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: LD从11月以来，每天8：30离开家，平均11：30到家，周末目前还没有加班。
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s*****g
发帖数: 5159 | 6 新客户。
【在 r*********y 的大作中提到】
: 才11月就这样了？。。。
: 那2月可怎么办啊
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s********d
发帖数: 503 | 7 行为艺术？
【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】
: 一点也不苦，看那么多人打破头想进去就知道了
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d****u
发帖数: 2589 | 8 关键是做这种奴隶的，每小时PAY 多少？
好像现在4大都不找人了，即使有身份。 |
j****a
发帖数: 66 | 9 hourly cash payments - lower than McDonald's
experience & networking - priceless |
m*******r
发帖数: 3635 | 10 看看实验室破四刀们吧，钱拿得比会计少多了，活也没少干
还得上那么多年学才行
【在 s********d 的大作中提到】
: 行为艺术？
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y*****2
发帖数: 2435 | 11 从5月到12月，基本天天坐办公室里，只要不打游戏看电影，想干啥都行。
1月到4月，每天平均11-12个小时，周末不加班。。。
如果按照你真正干活的时间来算(不算坐在办公室灌水找DEAL看新闻的时间），HOUR PAY应该在40以上。。。 |
O****v
发帖数: 383 | 12 Are you in audit or tax?
PAY应该在40以上。。。
【在 y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 从5月到12月，基本天天坐办公室里，只要不打游戏看电影，想干啥都行。
: 1月到4月，每天平均11-12个小时，周末不加班。。。
: 如果按照你真正干活的时间来算(不算坐在办公室灌水找DEAL看新闻的时间），HOUR PAY应该在40以上。。。
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l****u
发帖数: 410 | 13 in big 4?
PAY应该在40以上。。。
【在 y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 从5月到12月，基本天天坐办公室里，只要不打游戏看电影，想干啥都行。
: 1月到4月，每天平均11-12个小时，周末不加班。。。
: 如果按照你真正干活的时间来算(不算坐在办公室灌水找DEAL看新闻的时间），HOUR PAY应该在40以上。。。
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t****4
发帖数: 625 | 14 你是做税的吧。四大的AUDITOR是没有办公室的。
PAY应该在40以上。。。
【在 y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 从5月到12月，基本天天坐办公室里，只要不打游戏看电影，想干啥都行。
: 1月到4月，每天平均11-12个小时，周末不加班。。。
: 如果按照你真正干活的时间来算(不算坐在办公室灌水找DEAL看新闻的时间），HOUR PAY应该在40以上。。。
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a****d
发帖数: 607 | 15 hard to believe big 4 office does not have small busy season from july to
oct.
PAY应该在40以上。。。
【在 y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 从5月到12月，基本天天坐办公室里，只要不打游戏看电影，想干啥都行。
: 1月到4月，每天平均11-12个小时，周末不加班。。。
: 如果按照你真正干活的时间来算(不算坐在办公室灌水找DEAL看新闻的时间），HOUR PAY应该在40以上。。。
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p**z
发帖数: 1311 | 16 May - Sep - 同上
Sep - Dec - 9-6..除了赶deadline 回家做到12点.
Jan - Mar - 规定11个小时一天 或许更多 |
y*****2
发帖数: 2435 | 17 Just tell the scheduler you are not interested in pension plans and non-
profit clients then you are pretty much doing the Qs only. So not too busy
unless you are on a new client or IPO.
【在 a****d 的大作中提到】
: hard to believe big 4 office does not have small busy season from july to
: oct.
:
: PAY应该在40以上。。。
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p**z
发帖数: 1311 | 18 我靠 你跟scheduler说什么就给你什么啊
你们scheduler怎么那么好说话啊 |
a****d
发帖数: 607 | 19 反正我们公司至少8，9 月和2-4月一样忙，好多2-4月做不完的都推到8，9月做。我们
又裁了人，人手不够。我明年8月的schedule也有一周60多小时的。不过我们不是4大，
不清楚4大怎样的。 |
a*****e
发帖数: 44 | 20 Big 4 audit is busy jan-april and nothing to do for the rest of the year.
Big 4 tax is busy year round.
Big 4 audit in the US is not like in china. The travel are usually local.
The best thing about working in audit at big 4 is that people think you work
hard and do difficult things when the job is so easy. The hard part is
office politics and getting the good clients. This is the myth of the hard
working big 4 auditor
From my personal experience. During busy season, a senior on an engagement wa |
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a****d
发帖数: 607 | |
d********t
发帖数: 7 | 22 Not sure if you have worked in all Big Four audit before or have friends
from all the Big 4. But it really depends on the client. Healthcare client
usually have 9/30 YE, FSI client: every month cycle could potentially be a
busy season. Maybe you are very smart, but I dont think its fair to say that
the job is so easy. A bunch of lazy people and very comfortable? May I know
which one? I would love to go there.
My 2 cents.
work
was on the phone 70% of the time talking and not doing any work. Th
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: Big 4 audit is busy jan-april and nothing to do for the rest of the year.
: Big 4 tax is busy year round.
: Big 4 audit in the US is not like in china. The travel are usually local.
: The best thing about working in audit at big 4 is that people think you work
: hard and do difficult things when the job is so easy. The hard part is
: office politics and getting the good clients. This is the myth of the hard
: working big 4 auditor
: From my personal experience. During busy season, a senior on an engagement wa
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a*****e
发帖数: 44 | 23 My comment cannot be applied to all clients. But there are a high percentage
of clients that only have 3/31 year end. Even where the work hours required
was long, the work is NOT difficult and could be done by a highschool
student. The firm treat the employees like they know nothing and presumes
that you know nothing coming in. There are plenty of associates who are not
clear on accounting principles, never even sit for the CPA exam. The work is
clerical for the most part. But the people within |
p**z
发帖数: 1311 | 24 I agree that the work is not that hard..to a certain extend..there can be
complicate stuff..well sometimes.
and i also agree that there are a lot of people in here that think they are
really smart but in fact they are not...just like every where else.
my current conclusion about big4 is big4没有光环.....lol |
d********t
发帖数: 7 | 25 3/31 YE??
Seems like you are only looking at staff level. Try to learn from Partners,
Senior managers. How they think, how they talk, how they lead. Yes, I agree
there are some adminstrative and tedious work to do, its part of the job.
Hopefully you are lucky not to be on these jobs. Yes, I agree that there are
some ego idots in the firm but in 5 years, see if they are still with the
firm. Good luck.
percentage
required
not
is
intelligence
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: My comment cannot be applied to all clients. But there are a high percentage
: of clients that only have 3/31 year end. Even where the work hours required
: was long, the work is NOT difficult and could be done by a highschool
: student. The firm treat the employees like they know nothing and presumes
: that you know nothing coming in. There are plenty of associates who are not
: clear on accounting principles, never even sit for the CPA exam. The work is
: clerical for the most part. But the people within
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a*****e
发帖数: 44 | 26 Obviously manager and above levels are more busy. But maybe 20% of people at
big 4 firms are at that level. The most egotistical group are the seniors
not the managers who are more mature. Lets be honest here, the work does not
require someone who is so bright. The answers can all be looked up. The
reason I believe big 4 recruit "Best" is for marketing to their clients that
they deserve the huge paycheck. |
y*****2
发帖数: 2435 | 27 manager and above requires a lot of project management time rather than the
audit wirk |
a*****e
发帖数: 44 | 28 Despite the work being easy, I still respect the people from the big 4 more
than industry.Accounting as a profession, does not attract a lot of talented
or smart people in general and the big 4 accountants are still the best of
the bunch. |
h*****2
发帖数: 643 | 29 很苦的 from my past experiences
【在 d****u 的大作中提到】
: 薪水多少？
: HOURLY PAY 是多少？
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v*********g
发帖数: 76 | 30
year.
local.
work
hard
engagement was on the phone 70% of the time talking and not doing any
work. Then they stay over time to do the work they were supposed to do.
Big 4 in the US is like any large corp, there are a bunch of lazy peope
and its very comfortable.
非常赞同！说实话，我也是觉得不怎么忙，除了几个忙季，若是算上休假+unassigned
time,hourly rate 肯定不是麦当劳，这点放心。当然，busy season是忙些，但还可以
忍受。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: Big 4 audit is busy jan-april and nothing to do for the rest of the year.
: Big 4 tax is busy year round.
: Big 4 audit in the US is not like in china. The travel are usually local.
: The best thing about working in audit at big 4 is that people think you work
: hard and do difficult things when the job is so easy. The hard part is
: office politics and getting the good clients. This is the myth of the hard
: working big 4 auditor
: From my personal experience. During busy season, a senior on an engagement wa
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m*******h
发帖数: 147 | |
i******e
发帖数: 295 | 32 这很难概括吧,取决于你在哪个group,哪些client,那个office,你的上司的工作习惯,你
的ambition,等等等等...以前我们office不同group,不同人之间差距非常非常大.有些
group一年到头忙得要死,有些就还蛮轻松.
总的来说accounting firm季节性很强,忙季忙死,忙季一过就可以轻松一段时间.通常
deadline刚过那几天办公室都没什么人.但是自从经济不好以后,公司就开始很重视
utilization rate,就是看你有多少时间是chargeable hours,rate一下来上司或者hr就
找你谈话,搞不好还要fire人.所以忙季很忙,不忙的时候你心理压力很大,得到处找活做
,有时候比忙的时候更烦. |
v*********g
发帖数: 76 | 33
不久是怎么定义的？3年算不算久？5年？ 没有说不忙，只是说work load算可以忍受。
特别是我们有
一年10+18个假日，而且也不是没有unassigned time,要是真的算hourly rate,绝对不
会是麦当
劳。当然，的确是根据不同地点，客户，项目组，领导的不同，大家的work load都会
很不一样。何况
还有人工作比较有效率，只要把活做完，未必需要每天overtime的，即使在忙季。这是
我的two
cents.
【在 m*******h 的大作中提到】
: 说不忙的是因为入行不久吧?
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k***k
发帖数: 499 | 34 估计给政府干活就没这种屁事了
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 这很难概括吧,取决于你在哪个group,哪些client,那个office,你的上司的工作习惯,你
: 的ambition,等等等等...以前我们office不同group,不同人之间差距非常非常大.有些
: group一年到头忙得要死,有些就还蛮轻松.
: 总的来说accounting firm季节性很强,忙季忙死,忙季一过就可以轻松一段时间.通常
: deadline刚过那几天办公室都没什么人.但是自从经济不好以后,公司就开始很重视
: utilization rate,就是看你有多少时间是chargeable hours,rate一下来上司或者hr就
: 找你谈话,搞不好还要fire人.所以忙季很忙,不忙的时候你心理压力很大,得到处找活做
: ,有时候比忙的时候更烦.
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l*********r
发帖数: 66 | 35 我就觉得很多人做事风格差很多的
我们同一个公司，不同office都有很多差别
我这边不算很辛苦，非忙季8小时，sr也不怎么push
遇到特殊的客户又另当别论
我去别的office帮忙，靠
哪怕没有deadline不是忙季都要到8、9点回家才算正常
好像要这样才证明他们很努力似的
正常上班时间照样说笑不误
我就纳闷了，你就不能效率高点早点干完早点回家 |
l*********r
发帖数: 66 | 36
说得好。。。我最烦这个Utilization了，好像在惩罚你的efficiency一样
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 这很难概括吧,取决于你在哪个group,哪些client,那个office,你的上司的工作习惯,你
: 的ambition,等等等等...以前我们office不同group,不同人之间差距非常非常大.有些
: group一年到头忙得要死,有些就还蛮轻松.
: 总的来说accounting firm季节性很强,忙季忙死,忙季一过就可以轻松一段时间.通常
: deadline刚过那几天办公室都没什么人.但是自从经济不好以后,公司就开始很重视
: utilization rate,就是看你有多少时间是chargeable hours,rate一下来上司或者hr就
: 找你谈话,搞不好还要fire人.所以忙季很忙,不忙的时候你心理压力很大,得到处找活做
: ,有时候比忙的时候更烦.
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m******z
发帖数: 59 | 37 幸福啊，你们office还招人吗? 我们这里夏天基本都做6/30 FYE的客户或者EBP audit,
可以随心所欲说不感兴趣就不去的人寥寥无几啊。
【在 y*****2 的大作中提到】
: Just tell the scheduler you are not interested in pension plans and non-
: profit clients then you are pretty much doing the Qs only. So not too busy
: unless you are on a new client or IPO.
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