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话题: pbo话题: atv话题: xbmc话题: apple话题: 1080p
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W*****p
发帖数: 729
1
不是国粉,以前用过PBO和WD Live,最近手痒搞了个ATV,jb后装xbmc,感觉
1. ATV的cpu明显更powerful, PBO和WD就是一个简单all-in-one的芯片而已
2. ATV做工好不少,遥控很轻巧实用. PBO最差,风扇很吵
3. 软件也属ATV最好,本身netflix,airplay等feature就很方便
jb后xbmc功能就好过PBO很多,addon的模型也很成熟,对多种音频视频的兼容性最好.
1080p估计是ATV目前唯一大缺陷, microUSB的口也不是很方便 (插上HDMI后usb就被挡
住了).不过对于90多的价格的确不是大毛病. PBO有些落伍,应该赶快升级芯片了
n******d
发帖数: 3583
2
听得我都心痒手痒了

【在 W*****p 的大作中提到】
: 不是国粉,以前用过PBO和WD Live,最近手痒搞了个ATV,jb后装xbmc,感觉
: 1. ATV的cpu明显更powerful, PBO和WD就是一个简单all-in-one的芯片而已
: 2. ATV做工好不少,遥控很轻巧实用. PBO最差,风扇很吵
: 3. 软件也属ATV最好,本身netflix,airplay等feature就很方便
: jb后xbmc功能就好过PBO很多,addon的模型也很成熟,对多种音频视频的兼容性最好.
: 1080p估计是ATV目前唯一大缺陷, microUSB的口也不是很方便 (插上HDMI后usb就被挡
: 住了).不过对于90多的价格的确不是大毛病. PBO有些落伍,应该赶快升级芯片了

s*********n
发帖数: 2283
3
Indeed both are beyond the concept of networked media player
ATVs are computer based or general processor based media player .... far
more powerful than the PBO, WD live and Ruko, which are DVD player based
designs. From a hardware perspective, basically you are comparing SONY
networked Blue Ray/DVD player with SONY playstation 3 ....
I guess since Apple wants to save R&D cost and therefore share the
chassis among its iOS supporting hardwares, this is the reason why the
ATV 2 doesn't support 1080p. The GPU in ATV2 and iPhone 4 and touch 4
and iPad 1 is design mostly for low-power or mobile device. It is same
GPU core shared with Samsung Galaxy Tab, some Intel Atoms, and many
Nokia/Motoroal/Samsung mobile phones, it can only support up to 720p.
Otherwise, it is hard to believe Apple can make and sell such a powerful
media play for $100 . But the good news is, I believe the next
generation ATV 3 will support 1080p, since it will share the same design
with iPad 2, inside which is a A5 CPU and dual-core GPU.
This also means if you have an underutilized iPad or Touch 4G, you can
JB it and put XBMC on it and buy an Apple Universal Dock and an
aftermarket AV adapter, then you have an ATV 2 too.
On the other hand, PBO is not an ordinary media player too ... it is
hackable, very open and pretty cheap.
W*****p
发帖数: 729
4
嗯,的确ATV和PBO,WD有点不是一个量级的选手,但是他们的价位和市场定位是一样的->
百元娱乐机顶盒. 只能说PBO太暴利了,apple比较实在,虽然apple卖的便宜是指望大家
花钱看片子,但大家都WS的谢绝了
ATV的计算能力支持1080p应该没问题,估计是果果的一贯风格,等下次升级又套你一笔
至于用ipad+dock来充当ATV,技术上可行,但我不会用600多块的东西去充90多块的

【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: Indeed both are beyond the concept of networked media player
: ATVs are computer based or general processor based media player .... far
: more powerful than the PBO, WD live and Ruko, which are DVD player based
: designs. From a hardware perspective, basically you are comparing SONY
: networked Blue Ray/DVD player with SONY playstation 3 ....
: I guess since Apple wants to save R&D cost and therefore share the
: chassis among its iOS supporting hardwares, this is the reason why the
: ATV 2 doesn't support 1080p. The GPU in ATV2 and iPhone 4 and touch 4
: and iPad 1 is design mostly for low-power or mobile device. It is same
: GPU core shared with Samsung Galaxy Tab, some Intel Atoms, and many

s*********n
发帖数: 2283
5
For some minimalists, they might prefer to one "toy", which can do many
things, as many as possible, .... pretty much like why you want a smart
phone ....
I am pretty sure the GPU in the SoC A5 can do 1080p ... Therefore I
believe ATV 3 will support 1080p and gaming and possible 3D video ... I
doubt the GPU in A4 can do it without overclocking if it is possible .....

【在 W*****p 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,的确ATV和PBO,WD有点不是一个量级的选手,但是他们的价位和市场定位是一样的->
: 百元娱乐机顶盒. 只能说PBO太暴利了,apple比较实在,虽然apple卖的便宜是指望大家
: 花钱看片子,但大家都WS的谢绝了
: ATV的计算能力支持1080p应该没问题,估计是果果的一贯风格,等下次升级又套你一笔
: 至于用ipad+dock来充当ATV,技术上可行,但我不会用600多块的东西去充90多块的

W*****p
发帖数: 729
6
这个东西折腾起来还挺有意思,入一个玩吧

【在 n******d 的大作中提到】
: 听得我都心痒手痒了
l********l
发帖数: 9452
7
jb后xbmc功能就好过PBO很多
r u sure???
s*********n
发帖数: 2283
8
try it 吧.... XBMC is much more elegant .

【在 l********l 的大作中提到】
: jb后xbmc功能就好过PBO很多
: r u sure???

y**c
发帖数: 6307
9
既然比pbo更powerful,那PBO支持1080p,ATV支持720p,这个powerful的CPU体现在哪里?
ATV不需要升级芯片,PBO倒需要升级芯片了。 我倒是觉得PBO改改外观设计就可以了。

【在 W*****p 的大作中提到】
: 不是国粉,以前用过PBO和WD Live,最近手痒搞了个ATV,jb后装xbmc,感觉
: 1. ATV的cpu明显更powerful, PBO和WD就是一个简单all-in-one的芯片而已
: 2. ATV做工好不少,遥控很轻巧实用. PBO最差,风扇很吵
: 3. 软件也属ATV最好,本身netflix,airplay等feature就很方便
: jb后xbmc功能就好过PBO很多,addon的模型也很成熟,对多种音频视频的兼容性最好.
: 1080p估计是ATV目前唯一大缺陷, microUSB的口也不是很方便 (插上HDMI后usb就被挡
: 住了).不过对于90多的价格的确不是大毛病. PBO有些落伍,应该赶快升级芯片了

g***e
发帖数: 5292
10
想入个apple tv 2
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P***a
发帖数: 4213
11
这逻辑已经超越国粉了

【在 W*****p 的大作中提到】
: 不是国粉,以前用过PBO和WD Live,最近手痒搞了个ATV,jb后装xbmc,感觉
: 1. ATV的cpu明显更powerful, PBO和WD就是一个简单all-in-one的芯片而已
: 2. ATV做工好不少,遥控很轻巧实用. PBO最差,风扇很吵
: 3. 软件也属ATV最好,本身netflix,airplay等feature就很方便
: jb后xbmc功能就好过PBO很多,addon的模型也很成熟,对多种音频视频的兼容性最好.
: 1080p估计是ATV目前唯一大缺陷, microUSB的口也不是很方便 (插上HDMI后usb就被挡
: 住了).不过对于90多的价格的确不是大毛病. PBO有些落伍,应该赶快升级芯片了

T****n
发帖数: 6187
12
是啊,atv应该能解1080,结果被硬限制到720输出,还是个半残。
论价格,不说pathdream那种无良10块钱的deal。去年4x-6x的价格是常价,还经常外加
个sdhc卡什么的,比atv90多的价格还是便宜了不少吧
PBO如果能有atv的cpu和内存的话,肯定比现在更可玩

里?

【在 y**c 的大作中提到】
: 既然比pbo更powerful,那PBO支持1080p,ATV支持720p,这个powerful的CPU体现在哪里?
: ATV不需要升级芯片,PBO倒需要升级芯片了。 我倒是觉得PBO改改外观设计就可以了。

T****n
发帖数: 6187
13
如果不内置硬盘,pbo风扇拔了就行了。没噪音
性能我不知道,说功能的话,atv能直接放usb盘文件么?能下载文件么?能当ftp用么
?大概唯一的好处就是有个icefilm吧

【在 W*****p 的大作中提到】
: 不是国粉,以前用过PBO和WD Live,最近手痒搞了个ATV,jb后装xbmc,感觉
: 1. ATV的cpu明显更powerful, PBO和WD就是一个简单all-in-one的芯片而已
: 2. ATV做工好不少,遥控很轻巧实用. PBO最差,风扇很吵
: 3. 软件也属ATV最好,本身netflix,airplay等feature就很方便
: jb后xbmc功能就好过PBO很多,addon的模型也很成熟,对多种音频视频的兼容性最好.
: 1080p估计是ATV目前唯一大缺陷, microUSB的口也不是很方便 (插上HDMI后usb就被挡
: 住了).不过对于90多的价格的确不是大毛病. PBO有些落伍,应该赶快升级芯片了

f*******5
发帖数: 10321
14
我放了个硬盘都听不到风扇噪音。就算有风扇噪音,把它放到电视旁边,真的能听到风
扇声?

【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: 如果不内置硬盘,pbo风扇拔了就行了。没噪音
: 性能我不知道,说功能的话,atv能直接放usb盘文件么?能下载文件么?能当ftp用么
: ?大概唯一的好处就是有个icefilm吧

s*********n
发帖数: 2283
15
a good question ... I was trying to find the answer too but there is few
disclosure of the realtek rtd1073 soc used in pbo

【在 y**c 的大作中提到】
: 既然比pbo更powerful,那PBO支持1080p,ATV支持720p,这个powerful的CPU体现在哪里?
: ATV不需要升级芯片,PBO倒需要升级芯片了。 我倒是觉得PBO改改外观设计就可以了。

s*********n
发帖数: 2283
16
one clue I have is that xbmc can run on top of pbo while it can easily run
on my iPod touch 4g, which essentially is same to atv 2...
one explanation of this is due to the limitation of pbo's hardware
accelerator or gpu.... or something ... I am not sure of this though due to
limited disclosure.

【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: a good question ... I was trying to find the answer too but there is few
: disclosure of the realtek rtd1073 soc used in pbo

s*********n
发帖数: 2283
17
my previous comment saying atv2 vs pbo similar to ps3 to DVD player is
exaggerated ... not fair ... atv2 is between ps 3 and psp ...

【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: one clue I have is that xbmc can run on top of pbo while it can easily run
: on my iPod touch 4g, which essentially is same to atv 2...
: one explanation of this is due to the limitation of pbo's hardware
: accelerator or gpu.... or something ... I am not sure of this though due to
: limited disclosure.

C*******i
发帖数: 2131
18
搭车问一下
xbmc里的视频播放速度跟什么有关系?
icefilms中有的根本不用缓冲 有的就很钝
有没有加速的add on?
谢谢
s*********n
发帖数: 2283
19
It depends on the content server cluster, the network and the media
player in general. It seems that Icefilms is simply using some
megaupload severs for video delivery. If this is the case, I doubt it
supports RTCP or RTMP. In this case, It seems that the videos residing
on each megaupload server is one rate per file.
In your cases, since you are using the same media player and the same
network, I guess it is because some movies you were watching are coded
in low rates while some are high rate ones.
Another experiment we can do to prove this is. At first, JB/install XBMC
and install some memory management APP into an iPad/iPod/iPhone. I
assume there is no memory management APP for ATVs. After this, you can
observe the performance change of watching a same movie when you change
how much memory is revered for XBMC ....

【在 C*******i 的大作中提到】
: 搭车问一下
: xbmc里的视频播放速度跟什么有关系?
: icefilms中有的根本不用缓冲 有的就很钝
: 有没有加速的add on?
: 谢谢

C*******i
发帖数: 2131
20
Great info! Thanks a lot!!!!

【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: It depends on the content server cluster, the network and the media
: player in general. It seems that Icefilms is simply using some
: megaupload severs for video delivery. If this is the case, I doubt it
: supports RTCP or RTMP. In this case, It seems that the videos residing
: on each megaupload server is one rate per file.
: In your cases, since you are using the same media player and the same
: network, I guess it is because some movies you were watching are coded
: in low rates while some are high rate ones.
: Another experiment we can do to prove this is. At first, JB/install XBMC
: and install some memory management APP into an iPad/iPod/iPhone. I

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s********i
发帖数: 17328
21
icefilm估计用的就是MU的service,所以要等45秒钟。MU北美大多时候速度还可以(
1MB+/s),但如果连上个怪server(100KB/s),就没法看了。
x******0
发帖数: 1490
22
你们都说ATV好,但是它能读local USB硬盘吗?万一俺的router正在BT下载,这stream
不就抓瞎了?
如果jb以后可以利用ATV后面的usb读硬盘,那我认为ATV就秒杀PBO了。
s*********n
发帖数: 2283
23
it can access network disks through wifi, I guess, I havn't tried it
though. If you have a chance to take a look at the following website..
http://passion-xbmc.org/addons/
You may find something interesting to you ...
So far, I feel iPad/iPod/ATV2 are among the best platforms which can run
XBMC ... If you have other better choices, please share them with us.
TIA!

【在 x******0 的大作中提到】
: 你们都说ATV好,但是它能读local USB硬盘吗?万一俺的router正在BT下载,这stream
: 不就抓瞎了?
: 如果jb以后可以利用ATV后面的usb读硬盘,那我认为ATV就秒杀PBO了。

R*y
发帖数: 994
24
真能扯, PBO怎么比ATV暴利了? ATVCPU/GPU都不行, 怎么支持1080P? 你还替水果擦PG?
说来说去, 不能放1080P对我来说就是垃圾.

【在 W*****p 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,的确ATV和PBO,WD有点不是一个量级的选手,但是他们的价位和市场定位是一样的->
: 百元娱乐机顶盒. 只能说PBO太暴利了,apple比较实在,虽然apple卖的便宜是指望大家
: 花钱看片子,但大家都WS的谢绝了
: ATV的计算能力支持1080p应该没问题,估计是果果的一贯风格,等下次升级又套你一笔
: 至于用ipad+dock来充当ATV,技术上可行,但我不会用600多块的东西去充90多块的

s*********n
发帖数: 2283
25
Take it easy ....
In Apple product lines, ATV 2 belongs to iPods. This means two things
1) it shares the same design and some components with iPod touch 4G.
2) it essentially is a product derivated from a mobile platform, which is
optimized for power saving.
The pros are Apple can save R&D cost and BOM, its power consumption
should be very low and ATV2 has Wi-Fi b/g/n and bluetooth built-in. The
bad news is since it shares the same SoC with iPod touch 4G, therefore it
is said that it can't support 1080p. However, I am pretty sure the next-
generation A5 based ATV will support 1080p, as the current iPad 2 does.
On the other hand, though Apple TV2 can't support 1080p, it can support
XBMC. This is a significant advantage over PBO in general, if PBO can't
support XBMC. The reason is XBMC is an open media center platform, which
provides a lots of interesting program, video, music, and photo add-ons.
PBO requires an additional Wi-Fi adapter to support Wi-Fi or Bluetooth.
y*w
发帖数: 125
26
ATV2 XBMC can decode 1080p video's but atm the ATV2 is limited to display
720p output only. Its still a question if this is hardware limited or
software limited. Currently this has no priority

【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: Take it easy ....
: In Apple product lines, ATV 2 belongs to iPods. This means two things
: 1) it shares the same design and some components with iPod touch 4G.
: 2) it essentially is a product derivated from a mobile platform, which is
: optimized for power saving.
: The pros are Apple can save R&D cost and BOM, its power consumption
: should be very low and ATV2 has Wi-Fi b/g/n and bluetooth built-in. The
: bad news is since it shares the same SoC with iPod touch 4G, therefore it
: is said that it can't support 1080p. However, I am pretty sure the next-
: generation A5 based ATV will support 1080p, as the current iPad 2 does.

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