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h*****w
发帖数: 220
1
首先声明绝非挖坑。
昨天得到版友的指点后,我查阅了一下德州的法律,发现有可能摆脱这个ticket。现将
法律条文和我打算运用的理由陈述如下,希望再次得到各位的指点,评价一下我的理由
和逻辑。谢谢。
再次描述一下当时的情形:
我自I10下来刚转到US90/US183 hwy上不久后,一路两边都是荒野,没有住宅,一辆警
车迎面开过,掉头跟了我一段路,直到附近有住宅商铺可以停车后,在路边停下,说我
60的路开了70,开了citation让我上庭。从警察跟着我之前到拉灯让我停下,我一直跟
着一辆pick up开着。
0.法律条文来自
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.545.htm
1.理由一:我没有造成危险;因为我一直跟着pickup开,并没有危险行为。(这个理由
好像不强)
Sec. 545.351. MAXIMUM SPEED REQUIREMENT. (a) An operator may not drive at
a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances then
existin
还有b和c子条款,跟我的情形都没有关系,因此在这里不提了。
2.理由二:
Sec. 545.352. PRIMA FACIE SPEED LIMITS. (a) A speed in excess of the limits
established by Subsection (b) or under another provision of this subchapter
is prima facie evidence (查了一下字典,是“显而易见的证据”,但我还没有太
理解确切的含义)that the speed is not reasonable and prudent and that the
speed is unlawful.
Text of subsec. (b) as amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 663, Sec. 2 and
Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 739, Sec. 1
(b) Unless a special hazard exists that requires a slower speed for
compliance with Section 545.351(b), the following speeds are lawful:
(我想在这条做文章,因为我没有special hazard,这条是说lawful的)
(1) 30 miles per hour in an urban district on a street other than an alley
and 15 miles per hour in an alley;
(2) 70 miles per hour in daytime and 65 miles per hour in nighttime if the
vehicle is a passenger car,(省略一堆不相关的车种) on a highway numbered by
this state or the United States outside an urban district, including a farm
-to-market or ranch-to-market road;
这一点很重要,我就在US90上开70mph而且周围都是草地,没有路边停车的地方,所以
警察才会跟了我一段直到见到商铺,才拉灯把我拦下。我想用这一条来证明我的行为是
合法的。
我会提到1.我承认我开了70mph 2.这时我在a highway numbered by this state or
the United States 开 3. 这时我在outside an urban district
如果警察抵赖3,我就会提出“除了我前面的pickup,周围都没有车,那你为什么不立
刻把我拦下,而是直到一看见路边有商铺门前的空地,才把我拦下呢?这说明之前一路
你都不方便把我拦在shoulder上”.
后面的都是不太相关的条款,有兴趣的看着玩吧。十分感谢
(3) 60 miles per hour in daytime and 55 miles per hour in nighttime if the
vehicle is a passenger car or motorcycle on a highway that is outside an
urban district and not a highway numbered by this state or the United States;
(4) 60 miles per hour outside an urban district if a speed limit for the
vehicle is not otherwise specified by this section; or
(5) outside an urban district:
(A) 60 miles per hour if the vehicle is a school bus that has passed a
commercial motor vehicle inspection under Section 548.201 and is on a
highway numbered by the United States or this state, including a farm-to-
market road;
(B) 50 miles per hour if the vehicle is a school bus that:
(i) has not passed a commercial motor vehicle inspection under Section 548.
201; or
(ii) is traveling on a highway not numbered by the United States or this
state; or
(C) 60 miles per hour in daytime and 55 miles per hour in nighttime if the
vehicle is a truck, other than a light truck, or if the vehicle is a truck
tractor, trailer, or semitrailer, or a vehicle towing a trailer other than a
trailer described by Subdivision (2), semitrailer, another motor vehicle or
towable recreational vehicle.
Text of subsec. (b) as amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 663, Sec. 2 and
Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 1346, Sec. 1
(b) Unless a special hazard exists that requires a slower speed for
compliance with Section 545.351(b), the following speeds are lawful:
(1) 30 miles per hour in an urban district on a street other than an alley
and 15 miles per hour in an alley;
(2) 70 miles per hour in daytime and 65 miles per hour in nighttime if the
vehicle is on a highway numbered by this state or the United States outside
an urban district, including a farm-to-market or ranch-to-market road,
except as provided by Subdivision (4);
(3) 60 miles per hour in daytime and 55 miles per hour in nighttime if the
vehicle is on a highway that is outside an urban district and not a highway
numbered by this state or the United States;
(4) outside an urban district:
(A) 60 miles per hour if the vehicle is a school bus that has passed a
commercial motor vehicle inspection under Section 548.201 and is on a
highway numbered by the United States or this state, including a farm-to-
market road;
(B) 50 miles per hour if the vehicle is a school bus that:
(i) has not passed a commercial motor vehicle inspection under Section 548.
201; or
(ii) is traveling on a highway not numbered by the United States or this
state; or
(C) 60 miles per hour in daytime and 55 miles per hour in nighttime if:
(i) the vehicle is a truck, other than a light truck, or if the vehicle is
a truck tractor, trailer, or semitrailer; and
(ii) the vehicle is on a farm-to-market or ranch-to-market road;
(5) on a beach, 15 miles per hour; or
(6) on a county road adjacent to a public beach, 15 miles per hour, if
declared by the commissioners court of the county.
(c) The speed limits for a bus or other vehicle engaged in the business of
transporting passengers for compensation or hire, for a commercial vehicle
used as a highway post office vehicle for highway post office service in the
transportation of United States mail, for a light truck, and for a school
activity bus are the same as required for a passenger car at the same time
and location.
(d) In this section:
(1) "Interstate highway" means a segment of the national system of
interstate and defense highways that is:
(A) located in this state;
(B) officially designated by the Texas Transportation Commission; and
(C) approved under Title 23, United States Code.
(2) "Light truck" means a truck with a manufacturer's rated carrying
capacity of not more than 2,000 pounds, including a pick-up truck, panel
delivery truck, and carry-all truck.
(3) "Urban district" means the territory adjacent to and including a
highway, if the territory is improved with structures that are used for
business, industry, or dwelling houses and are located at intervals of less
than 100 feet for a distance of at least one-quarter mile on either side of
the highway.
a****o
发帖数: 6612
2
别把事情弄的那么复杂。直接求情说初犯,警察不来加法官开恩就免了。法官没有耐心
听你引用法律条文。他只须问:
What speed did you drive?
What is the speed limit of the
highway you drove on.
你诚实回答,法官直接就判了。

【在 h*****w 的大作中提到】
: 首先声明绝非挖坑。
: 昨天得到版友的指点后,我查阅了一下德州的法律,发现有可能摆脱这个ticket。现将
: 法律条文和我打算运用的理由陈述如下,希望再次得到各位的指点,评价一下我的理由
: 和逻辑。谢谢。
: 再次描述一下当时的情形:
: 我自I10下来刚转到US90/US183 hwy上不久后,一路两边都是荒野,没有住宅,一辆警
: 车迎面开过,掉头跟了我一段路,直到附近有住宅商铺可以停车后,在路边停下,说我
: 60的路开了70,开了citation让我上庭。从警察跟着我之前到拉灯让我停下,我一直跟
: 着一辆pick up开着。
: 0.法律条文来自

x****s
发帖数: 921
3
Sec. 545.3535. AUTHORITY OF TEXAS TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION TO ALTER SPEED
LIMITS ON CERTAIN ROADS.
And In the original post, he/she already mentioned the speed limit is 60
h*****w
发帖数: 220
4
恩,的确是在60的路上开了70,不过那段路没有限速牌呀

SPEED

【在 x****s 的大作中提到】
: Sec. 545.3535. AUTHORITY OF TEXAS TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION TO ALTER SPEED
: LIMITS ON CERTAIN ROADS.
: And In the original post, he/she already mentioned the speed limit is 60

h*****w
发帖数: 220
5
我想摆脱掉这个ticket,所以在研究怎么应对。如果警察也上庭,我求情初犯,可能免吗

【在 a****o 的大作中提到】
: 别把事情弄的那么复杂。直接求情说初犯,警察不来加法官开恩就免了。法官没有耐心
: 听你引用法律条文。他只须问:
: What speed did you drive?
: What is the speed limit of the
: highway you drove on.
: 你诚实回答,法官直接就判了。

l**a
发帖数: 12455
6
请问没有限速牌你怎么知道那段路限速60的,一直没看懂这一点的说

【在 h*****w 的大作中提到】
: 恩,的确是在60的路上开了70,不过那段路没有限速牌呀
:
: SPEED

h*****w
发帖数: 220
7
GPS上有,我就按70跟着一辆pickup开,然后被警察跟的过程中看见了限速60的牌子。
从I10到见到警察,中间没有牌子。

【在 l**a 的大作中提到】
: 请问没有限速牌你怎么知道那段路限速60的,一直没看懂这一点的说
d***a
发帖数: 13752
8
下回见到警车时, 按限速开.
b********6
发帖数: 35437
9
这个太牛x了,先mark一下
s**********d
发帖数: 36899
10
就说你超过的规定的速度就犯法了。
底下b是default限速,就是没有posted speed limit的时候。
你可以argue那里没有牌子。。。所以default是70.
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l**a
发帖数: 12455
11
别信GPS,经常乱报
只能说没有牌子,不知道限速,跟车估计都不好用了,没法证明的

【在 h*****w 的大作中提到】
: GPS上有,我就按70跟着一辆pickup开,然后被警察跟的过程中看见了限速60的牌子。
: 从I10到见到警察,中间没有牌子。

n******r
发帖数: 492
12
Gook luck! 免了单子别忘了上来发包子庆贺啊。
h*******9
发帖数: 807
13
被警察跟,看到限速牌还不减速,牛
R****7
发帖数: 617
14
freeway default怎么可能是70?应该是55或者60吧

【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: 就说你超过的规定的速度就犯法了。
: 底下b是default限速,就是没有posted speed limit的时候。
: 你可以argue那里没有牌子。。。所以default是70.

h*****w
发帖数: 220
15
发现警车掉头的过程时,立马减速到限速

【在 d***a 的大作中提到】
: 下回见到警车时, 按限速开.
k***x
发帖数: 6799
16
没看到条子被抓的话,说明你运气不好,+10一般不会被抓,很多人其实这么开的;
看到了条子,知道自己被条子盯上了还不减速,不知道你什么心态:
1) 你的车和007里面一样,有adaptive camouflage设备来隐形,但是不巧那天坏了?
2) 正在研究+10是不是真的会被抓,需要在不同路段采集统计数据?
3) 老爸是李刚,就想和条子对着干?
4) 脑残?
5) 欢迎补充……

【在 h*****w 的大作中提到】
: 首先声明绝非挖坑。
: 昨天得到版友的指点后,我查阅了一下德州的法律,发现有可能摆脱这个ticket。现将
: 法律条文和我打算运用的理由陈述如下,希望再次得到各位的指点,评价一下我的理由
: 和逻辑。谢谢。
: 再次描述一下当时的情形:
: 我自I10下来刚转到US90/US183 hwy上不久后,一路两边都是荒野,没有住宅,一辆警
: 车迎面开过,掉头跟了我一段路,直到附近有住宅商铺可以停车后,在路边停下,说我
: 60的路开了70,开了citation让我上庭。从警察跟着我之前到拉灯让我停下,我一直跟
: 着一辆pick up开着。
: 0.法律条文来自

h*****w
发帖数: 220
17
你是没看清楚还是怎么着
不是说了直到条子掉头,我才发现,然后掉头的过程中我就立马减速到限速了,然后以
限度,警车跟了一段路,找个方便的地方就把我pullover了

【在 k***x 的大作中提到】
: 没看到条子被抓的话,说明你运气不好,+10一般不会被抓,很多人其实这么开的;
: 看到了条子,知道自己被条子盯上了还不减速,不知道你什么心态:
: 1) 你的车和007里面一样,有adaptive camouflage设备来隐形,但是不巧那天坏了?
: 2) 正在研究+10是不是真的会被抓,需要在不同路段采集统计数据?
: 3) 老爸是李刚,就想和条子对着干?
: 4) 脑残?
: 5) 欢迎补充……

k***x
发帖数: 6799
18
无语了,你真是一日三变哪,前面还在说一直是以70跟着一个pickup开了一路直到被
pullover的,谁是judge也受不了你这样前后矛盾的,建议认罪算了,感觉你搞不定这个case的

【在 h*****w 的大作中提到】
: 你是没看清楚还是怎么着
: 不是说了直到条子掉头,我才发现,然后掉头的过程中我就立马减速到限速了,然后以
: 限度,警车跟了一段路,找个方便的地方就把我pullover了

h*****w
发帖数: 220
19
建议重新回去补汉语阅读理解,交叉引用和补充。光添乱说风凉话有什么意思。
不过我上庭时会注意措辞和一致性的,也谢谢你的批评

这个case的

【在 k***x 的大作中提到】
: 无语了,你真是一日三变哪,前面还在说一直是以70跟着一个pickup开了一路直到被
: pullover的,谁是judge也受不了你这样前后矛盾的,建议认罪算了,感觉你搞不定这个case的

k***x
发帖数: 6799
20
希望你不要用这种胡搅蛮缠的风格去说服judge,我觉得你这个case没戏(就靠你自己
),如果你真是靠自己最后赢了这个case,上来报告大家一下,我自掏腰包给你一个三
黄包

【在 h*****w 的大作中提到】
: 建议重新回去补汉语阅读理解,交叉引用和补充。光添乱说风凉话有什么意思。
: 不过我上庭时会注意措辞和一致性的,也谢谢你的批评
:
: 这个case的

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