n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 1 好像最近价格有涨。对于EX-L, 我拿到最低都接近$33000+TTL。感觉有些贵。 |
e******o
发帖数: 1160 | 2 现在买日车都比较贵吧，主要是美元贬值太厉害了。
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: 好像最近价格有涨。对于EX-L, 我拿到最低都接近$33000+TTL。感觉有些贵。
|
i******d
发帖数: 565 | 3 我07年买的odyssey exl的otd价格不到3万，还是0利率。
最新又想再买个车，发觉都比以前贵了很多啊。 |
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 4 invoice minus 400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with |
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 5 invoice-400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with |
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 6 How did you get such good deal? Where?
My dealer won't go lower than 33500.
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: invoice-400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 7 For 2011 odyssey at current time, your statement is
not true. The dealer won't even offer me 32600 before TTL for EX-L, which is
the invoice price
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: invoice-400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 8 Right, they can't even offer me 33000 for EXL before TTL.
When do you think is better time to buy, in Sept?
is
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: For 2011 odyssey at current time, your statement is
: not true. The dealer won't even offer me 32600 before TTL for EX-L, which is
: the invoice price
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 9 That seems to be the consenus now.
I will go to another dealer this week to see if they can offer me 32600
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: Right, they can't even offer me 33000 for EXL before TTL.
: When do you think is better time to buy, in Sept?
:
: is
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 10 Cool, I will try too. Keep update please.
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: That seems to be the consenus now.
: I will go to another dealer this week to see if they can offer me 32600
|
|
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 11 Sure. When will you go? What location?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: Cool, I will try too. Keep update please.
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 12 I just requrested some quotes from honda's offical site. In Louisiana. Yours?
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Sure. When will you go? What location?
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 13 Chicago.
My feeing is whatever deal we get now may be 1000 more than 1 or 2 months.
Yours?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: I just requrested some quotes from honda's offical site. In Louisiana. Yours?
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 14 The inventory is so low, every dealer just has 1-3 in stock.
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Chicago.
: My feeing is whatever deal we get now may be 1000 more than 1 or 2 months.
:
: Yours?
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 15 The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
in Wisconsin.
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Chicago.
: My feeing is whatever deal we get now may be 1000 more than 1 or 2 months.
:
: Yours?
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 16 I wish I can get that price, why you have to wait?
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 17 They do not have it in stock. They have to order it. Does it sound
reasonable?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: I wish I can get that price, why you have to wait?
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 18 That sounds ok for me but 2 month is a little long, then the 2012 will be
out. They don't have the color you need or they don't have any?
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: They do not have it in stock. They have to order it. Does it sound
: reasonable?
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 19 Color.
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: That sounds ok for me but 2 month is a little long, then the 2012 will be
: out. They don't have the color you need or they don't have any?
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 20 wow, this Odyssey is really as hot as BMW, lol
Never heard of such thing for Honda.
How can the Honda dealer offer you something they do not have yet. It
usually happend for BMW.
Anyway, it seems the best price for 2011 EX-L is 31500 before TTL from the
search of this board. But yours is not bad if you can get it now.
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
|
|
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 21 A friend told me don't buy any of the 1st version of a new generation,
because the defect of the 1st will be a lot. Anyone agree this?
I just found:
http://www.insideline.com/honda/odyssey/2011/2011-honda-odyssey
http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-odyssey/149029-stay-away- |
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 22 RE
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: A friend told me don't buy any of the 1st version of a new generation,
: because the defect of the 1st will be a lot. Anyone agree this?
: I just found:
: http://www.insideline.com/honda/odyssey/2011/2011-honda-odyssey
: http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-odyssey/149029-stay-away-
|
y****g
发帖数: 594 | 23 你想买的EXL是包括DVD还是GPS?这样才能比价格， |
A****r
发帖数: 2746 | 24 Just bought one this month. No dealer I talked to was willing to even talk
about invoice price. $1,000 over the invoice seems to be what you can get
now. Might get better in a few months. All Japs car dealers were saying the
inventory is low because of the disaster in Japan...Good van though. |
R***a
发帖数: 41892 | 25 I got it for $32100, EX-L, so cal.
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
|
k****a
发帖数: 7077 | 26 板板地，想当初08版EX-L年底买时28000 OTD, 0 down, 还只有1.9％的APR。。。 |
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 27 大概4月份的时候，我问一个dealer,email里面给我报了30500, EX-L的
不知道现在涨成啥样了
【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: I got it for $32100, EX-L, so cal.
|
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 28 Just got the car, EX OTD about 30500 NYC, invoice (28300) - 700, then plus
tax etc |
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 29 z这个还挺不错的啊
cong
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: Just got the car, EX OTD about 30500 NYC, invoice (28300) - 700, then plus
: tax etc
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 30 Are you sure the dealer sent you the price of EX-L, not EX?
Did that quote include dealer destination charge?
Not even sure we can get this price for EX-L in 2 months.
Where was the dealer by the way?
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: 大概4月份的时候，我问一个dealer,email里面给我报了30500, EX-L的
: 不知道现在涨成啥样了
|
|
|
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 31 exl啊，包括destination fee ,ex 的开的是27500
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Are you sure the dealer sent you the price of EX-L, not EX?
: Did that quote include dealer destination charge?
: Not even sure we can get this price for EX-L in 2 months.
: Where was the dealer by the way?
|
h*********1
发帖数: 24 | 32 这个很便宜呀。我们这invoice+500. NYC 税是多少？不高的话，我干脆开车过去买。
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: Just got the car, EX OTD about 30500 NYC, invoice (28300) - 700, then plus
: tax etc
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 33 这EXL也太便宜了, 比invoice还便宜$2000啊.
是哪儿的dealer啊?
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: exl啊，包括destination fee ,ex 的开的是27500
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 34 it's exl
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: 这EXL也太便宜了, 比invoice还便宜$2000啊.
: 是哪儿的dealer啊?
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 35 Yes, 2011 Odyssey EX-L 30500 before TTL is very cheap. Do not know if I can
get this even in Sep. or Oct.
Is not the invoice price for EX-L 32600 before TTL?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: it's exl
|
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 36 boston,不过是几个月前了，现在价格应该涨了
你翻几个月前的帖子，有人就是27000+TTL多买的EX
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: 这EXL也太便宜了, 比invoice还便宜$2000啊.
: 是哪儿的dealer啊?
|
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 37 i got mine in paragon honda, woodside, ny
the sales promised invoice - 400 for all models, and when i went for it,
they did honor the quote by phone although i was talking to a different
sales, and i didn't even have the proof about the quote, the sales himself
seemed surprised too after he talked to his manager and get the price.
the sales said that they're the biggest honda dealer in america, sale volume
wise; we wanted a color that they didn't have, it took them a week to get
it from the ohio factory, the car had 1 mile on it when we drove it home |
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 38 Good deal! I have asked a lot of dealers here, The best is 33000 for EX-L.
So sad
volume
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: i got mine in paragon honda, woodside, ny
: the sales promised invoice - 400 for all models, and when i went for it,
: they did honor the quote by phone although i was talking to a different
: sales, and i didn't even have the proof about the quote, the sales himself
: seemed surprised too after he talked to his manager and get the price.
: the sales said that they're the biggest honda dealer in america, sale volume
: wise; we wanted a color that they didn't have, it took them a week to get
: it from the ohio factory, the car had 1 mile on it when we drove it home
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 39 我现在拿到的最低价是$32176 + TTL，2011 EX-L. 不过要等30到60天，定金$500.大家
觉得怎么样，可以下手吗？
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 40 好像最近价格有涨。对于EX-L, 我拿到最低都接近$33000+TTL。感觉有些贵。
给最近要买Odyssey的借鉴一下。
发这个贴不久，在八月初就付了$500定金，前几天终于付款提了车。2012 Odyssey EX-L w/o navi or DVD，车价$32000，出门价大概$33900（包括$500定金，5%税）。
提车时付款出奇的快，没推销任何附加的东西。本来付了定金以后，看到网上的帖子，告诫千万不要用信用卡付定金。可我就做了，的确有点忐忑，怕有什么猫腻，还好都是杞人忧天。另外我订的是2011款，可给了个2012的，不错。 |
|
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e******o
发帖数: 1160 | 41 现在买日车都比较贵吧，主要是美元贬值太厉害了。
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: 好像最近价格有涨。对于EX-L, 我拿到最低都接近$33000+TTL。感觉有些贵。
: 给最近要买Odyssey的借鉴一下。
: 发这个贴不久，在八月初就付了$500定金，前几天终于付款提了车。2012 Odyssey EX-L w/o navi or DVD，车价$32000，出门价大概$33900（包括$500定金，5%税）。
: 提车时付款出奇的快，没推销任何附加的东西。本来付了定金以后，看到网上的帖子，告诫千万不要用信用卡付定金。可我就做了，的确有点忐忑，怕有什么猫腻，还好都是杞人忧天。另外我订的是2011款，可给了个2012的，不错。
|
i******d
发帖数: 565 | 42 我07年买的odyssey exl的otd价格不到3万，还是0利率。
最新又想再买个车，发觉都比以前贵了很多啊。 |
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 43 invoice minus 400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with |
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 44 invoice-400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with |
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 45 How did you get such good deal? Where?
My dealer won't go lower than 33500.
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: invoice-400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 46 For 2011 odyssey at current time, your statement is
not true. The dealer won't even offer me 32600 before TTL for EX-L, which is
the invoice price
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: invoice-400 for all models, according to the dealer I made a deal with
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 47 Right, they can't even offer me 33000 for EXL before TTL.
When do you think is better time to buy, in Sept?
is
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: For 2011 odyssey at current time, your statement is
: not true. The dealer won't even offer me 32600 before TTL for EX-L, which is
: the invoice price
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 48 That seems to be the consenus now.
I will go to another dealer this week to see if they can offer me 32600
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: Right, they can't even offer me 33000 for EXL before TTL.
: When do you think is better time to buy, in Sept?
:
: is
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 49 Cool, I will try too. Keep update please.
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: That seems to be the consenus now.
: I will go to another dealer this week to see if they can offer me 32600
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 50 Sure. When will you go? What location?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: Cool, I will try too. Keep update please.
|
|
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 51 I just requrested some quotes from honda's offical site. In Louisiana. Yours?
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Sure. When will you go? What location?
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 52 Chicago.
My feeing is whatever deal we get now may be 1000 more than 1 or 2 months.
Yours?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: I just requrested some quotes from honda's offical site. In Louisiana. Yours?
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 53 The inventory is so low, every dealer just has 1-3 in stock.
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Chicago.
: My feeing is whatever deal we get now may be 1000 more than 1 or 2 months.
:
: Yours?
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 54 The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
in Wisconsin.
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Chicago.
: My feeing is whatever deal we get now may be 1000 more than 1 or 2 months.
:
: Yours?
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 55 I wish I can get that price, why you have to wait?
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 56 They do not have it in stock. They have to order it. Does it sound
reasonable?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: I wish I can get that price, why you have to wait?
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 57 That sounds ok for me but 2 month is a little long, then the 2012 will be
out. They don't have the color you need or they don't have any?
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: They do not have it in stock. They have to order it. Does it sound
: reasonable?
|
n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 58 Color.
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: That sounds ok for me but 2 month is a little long, then the 2012 will be
: out. They don't have the color you need or they don't have any?
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 59 wow, this Odyssey is really as hot as BMW, lol
Never heard of such thing for Honda.
How can the Honda dealer offer you something they do not have yet. It
usually happend for BMW.
Anyway, it seems the best price for 2011 EX-L is 31500 before TTL from the
search of this board. But yours is not bad if you can get it now.
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 60 A friend told me don't buy any of the 1st version of a new generation,
because the defect of the 1st will be a lot. Anyone agree this?
I just found:
http://www.insideline.com/honda/odyssey/2011/2011-honda-odyssey
http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-odyssey/149029-stay-away- |
|
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 61 RE
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: A friend told me don't buy any of the 1st version of a new generation,
: because the defect of the 1st will be a lot. Anyone agree this?
: I just found:
: http://www.insideline.com/honda/odyssey/2011/2011-honda-odyssey
: http://www.odyclub.com/forums/54-2011-odyssey/149029-stay-away-
|
y****g
发帖数: 594 | 62 你想买的EXL是包括DVD还是GPS?这样才能比价格， |
A****r
发帖数: 2746 | 63 Just bought one this month. No dealer I talked to was willing to even talk
about invoice price. $1,000 over the invoice seems to be what you can get
now. Might get better in a few months. All Japs car dealers were saying the
inventory is low because of the disaster in Japan...Good van though. |
R***a
发帖数: 41892 | 64 I got it for $32100, EX-L, so cal.
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
|
k****a
发帖数: 7077 | 65 板板地，想当初08版EX-L年底买时28000 OTD, 0 down, 还只有1.9％的APR。。。 |
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 66 大概4月份的时候，我问一个dealer,email里面给我报了30500, EX-L的
不知道现在涨成啥样了
【在 R***a 的大作中提到】
: I got it for $32100, EX-L, so cal.
|
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 67 Just got the car, EX OTD about 30500 NYC, invoice (28300) - 700, then plus
tax etc |
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 68 z这个还挺不错的啊
cong
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: Just got the car, EX OTD about 30500 NYC, invoice (28300) - 700, then plus
: tax etc
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 69 Are you sure the dealer sent you the price of EX-L, not EX?
Did that quote include dealer destination charge?
Not even sure we can get this price for EX-L in 2 months.
Where was the dealer by the way?
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: 大概4月份的时候，我问一个dealer,email里面给我报了30500, EX-L的
: 不知道现在涨成啥样了
|
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 70 exl啊，包括destination fee ,ex 的开的是27500
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: Are you sure the dealer sent you the price of EX-L, not EX?
: Did that quote include dealer destination charge?
: Not even sure we can get this price for EX-L in 2 months.
: Where was the dealer by the way?
|
|
|
h*********1
发帖数: 24 | 71 这个很便宜呀。我们这invoice+500. NYC 税是多少？不高的话，我干脆开车过去买。
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: Just got the car, EX OTD about 30500 NYC, invoice (28300) - 700, then plus
: tax etc
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 72 这EXL也太便宜了, 比invoice还便宜$2000啊.
是哪儿的dealer啊?
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: exl啊，包括destination fee ,ex 的开的是27500
|
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 73 it's exl
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: 这EXL也太便宜了, 比invoice还便宜$2000啊.
: 是哪儿的dealer啊?
|
f*******3
发帖数: 351 | 74 Yes, 2011 Odyssey EX-L 30500 before TTL is very cheap. Do not know if I can
get this even in Sep. or Oct.
Is not the invoice price for EX-L 32600 before TTL?
【在 L****1 的大作中提到】
: it's exl
|
s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 75 boston,不过是几个月前了，现在价格应该涨了
你翻几个月前的帖子，有人就是27000+TTL多买的EX
【在 f*******3 的大作中提到】
: 这EXL也太便宜了, 比invoice还便宜$2000啊.
: 是哪儿的dealer啊?
|
w******p
发帖数: 166 | 76 i got mine in paragon honda, woodside, ny
the sales promised invoice - 400 for all models, and when i went for it,
they did honor the quote by phone although i was talking to a different
sales, and i didn't even have the proof about the quote, the sales himself
seemed surprised too after he talked to his manager and get the price.
the sales said that they're the biggest honda dealer in america, sale volume
wise; we wanted a color that they didn't have, it took them a week to get
it from the ohio factory, the car had 1 mile on it when we drove it home |
L****1
发帖数: 598 | 77 Good deal! I have asked a lot of dealers here, The best is 33000 for EX-L.
So sad
volume
【在 w******p 的大作中提到】
: i got mine in paragon honda, woodside, ny
: the sales promised invoice - 400 for all models, and when i went for it,
: they did honor the quote by phone although i was talking to a different
: sales, and i didn't even have the proof about the quote, the sales himself
: seemed surprised too after he talked to his manager and get the price.
: the sales said that they're the biggest honda dealer in america, sale volume
: wise; we wanted a color that they didn't have, it took them a week to get
: it from the ohio factory, the car had 1 mile on it when we drove it home
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n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 78 我现在拿到的最低价是$32176 + TTL，2011 EX-L. 不过要等30到60天，定金$500.大家
觉得怎么样，可以下手吗？
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: The lowest price quote which I have got is $32476 for a 2011 EX-L (MSRP $
: 35230). But I have to wait one month or two to get it. Is it good? I am
: in Wisconsin.
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n*******t
发帖数: 112 | 79 给最近要买Odyssey的借鉴一下。
发这个贴不久，在八月初就付了$500定金，前几天终于付款提了车。2012 Odyssey EX-
L w/o navi or DVD，车价$32000，出门价大概$33900（包括$500定金，5%税）。
提车时付款出奇的快，没推销任何附加的东西。本来付了定金以后，看到网上的帖子，
告诫千万不要用信用卡付定金。可我就做了，的确有点忐忑，怕有什么猫腻，还好都是
杞人忧天。另外我订的是2011款，可给了个2012的，不错。
【在 n*******t 的大作中提到】
: 好像最近价格有涨。对于EX-L, 我拿到最低都接近$33000+TTL。感觉有些贵。
: 给最近要买Odyssey的借鉴一下。
: 发这个贴不久，在八月初就付了$500定金，前几天终于付款提了车。2012 Odyssey EX-L w/o navi or DVD，车价$32000，出门价大概$33900（包括$500定金，5%税）。
: 提车时付款出奇的快，没推销任何附加的东西。本来付了定金以后，看到网上的帖子，告诫千万不要用信用卡付定金。可我就做了，的确有点忐忑，怕有什么猫腻，还好都是杞人忧天。另外我订的是2011款，可给了个2012的，不错。
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 80 不好意思，能知道你在哪里，哪个dealer么？ |
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m*****1
发帖数: 2546 | 81 mw too.
2007 bought ex-l with dvd, abput $30k.
rightnow, struggling between ML350 and GX460.
【在 i******d 的大作中提到】
: 我07年买的odyssey exl的otd价格不到3万，还是0利率。
: 最新又想再买个车，发觉都比以前贵了很多啊。
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y*****g
发帖数: 6223 | 82 如果ml350 和 gx460。
显然gx。
如果es350就差ml好多了。
【在 m*****1 的大作中提到】
: mw too.
: 2007 bought ex-l with dvd, abput $30k.
: rightnow, struggling between ML350 and GX460.
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G*****m
发帖数: 5395 | 83 why gx?
gx太像炮塔了，2012 ML很好看啊
【在 y*****g 的大作中提到】
: 如果ml350 和 gx460。
: 显然gx。
: 如果es350就差ml好多了。
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m*****1
发帖数: 2546 | 84 我们家附近有个号称世界上销量最大的DEALER.
但SHOWROOM里面居然没2012SUV的MODEL, 都是11的.2011的GX460 比以前的好看多了.
【在 y*****g 的大作中提到】
: 如果ml350 和 gx460。
: 显然gx。
: 如果es350就差ml好多了。
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m*****1
发帖数: 2546 | 85 ML 小, 没第三排座.
新GX不想炮塔了, 想TOYOTA的形状了.
【在 G*****m 的大作中提到】
: why gx?
: gx太像炮塔了，2012 ML很好看啊
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