C**T
发帖数: 5379 | 1 比如拿德国车的性能说事，说跑的快没用，美国有限速。或者说日本车跑不快，就图个
可靠性高。这种说法都体现了对marketing的无知。任何一个产品都有一个特定针对的
market segment。德国车的性能设计就是针对喜欢性能这部分客户构成的segment，这
个segment里面的客户不在意有没有限速的好不好。日本车的可靠性啥的也是针对一部
分在乎这玩意的客户构成的segment，他们不在乎性能好不好？你们把不同的segment放
在一块比，非得搞个一统天下的车，这会闹笑话滴。 |
t******6
发帖数: 9093 | 2 都懂，所以德粉在这里强调的是防撞钢梁车板厚度和操纵性。避而不谈可靠性，低底盘
，小空间，硬悬挂。
全是明白人 |
y*****g
发帖数: 6223 | 3 这身行头不错阿，多少钱。
咋没买鞋呢？
【在 t******6 的大作中提到】
: 都懂，所以德粉在这里强调的是防撞钢梁车板厚度和操纵性。避而不谈可靠性，低底盘
: ，小空间，硬悬挂。
: 全是明白人
|
t******6
发帖数: 9093 | 4 刚买了，还有一杆方天画戟，估计一会就更新了
【在 y*****g 的大作中提到】
: 这身行头不错阿，多少钱。
: 咋没买鞋呢？
|
l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 5 再来一匹马就好了，呵呵
【在 t******6 的大作中提到】
: 刚买了，还有一杆方天画戟，估计一会就更新了
|
t******6
发帖数: 9093 | 6 真的有？
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 再来一匹马就好了，呵呵
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l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 7 呵呵，开玩笑开玩笑
看看有没有背景图片吧
【在 t******6 的大作中提到】
: 真的有？
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k*****y
发帖数: 182 | |
A***n
发帖数: 8859 | 9 报告：我只粉部分德军一一目前还没有可靠性的问题。
【在 t******6 的大作中提到】
: 都懂，所以德粉在这里强调的是防撞钢梁车板厚度和操纵性。避而不谈可靠性，低底盘
: ，小空间，硬悬挂。
: 全是明白人
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T*****e
发帖数: 799 | 10 Is there any German car cheaper than Jetta? You may need to work hard or get
a better job.
【在 A***n 的大作中提到】
: 报告：我只粉部分德军一一目前还没有可靠性的问题。
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y*****g
发帖数: 6223 | 11 想了一下，还真没有。jetta真的。。。是最cheap的“German“ Car
get
【在 T*****e 的大作中提到】
: Is there any German car cheaper than Jetta? You may need to work hard or get
: a better job.
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 12 The cheapest German car is still better than the most expensive dfbb cars.
People who drives dfbb needs to be smarter.
get
【在 T*****e 的大作中提到】
: Is there any German car cheaper than Jetta? You may need to work hard or get
: a better job.
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 13 Beetle, golf.
【在 y*****g 的大作中提到】
: 想了一下，还真没有。jetta真的。。。是最cheap的“German“ Car
:
: get
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B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 14 That's about the dumbest statement I've seen here.
Maybe you can tell me what is the most expansive dfbb? Than we may see your
reasoning.
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: The cheapest German car is still better than the most expensive dfbb cars.
: People who drives dfbb needs to be smarter.
:
: get
|
b********i
发帖数: 1785 | 15 这俩也不行，还是捷达最便宜。
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: Beetle, golf.
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i****x
发帖数: 17565 | 16 好残的说法。。。。。。。。dfbb一共就四款，价格分别是同大小车款的最低价，还什
么the most expensive dfbb cars
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: The cheapest German car is still better than the most expensive dfbb cars.
: People who drives dfbb needs to be smarter.
:
: get
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 17 I have never owned a DFBB, so no idea what you are talking about. Just tell
me what is teh most expansive dfbb, than we will compare.
【在 i****x 的大作中提到】
: 好残的说法。。。。。。。。dfbb一共就四款，价格分别是同大小车款的最低价，还什
: 么the most expensive dfbb cars
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 18 Camry xle.
your
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: That's about the dumbest statement I've seen here.
: Maybe you can tell me what is the most expansive dfbb? Than we may see your
: reasoning.
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 19 我真心觉得aaman的2010 Jetta tdi 比任何一辆dfbb都好。操控，ride，内饰，外形，
油耗。
【在 i****x 的大作中提到】
: 好残的说法。。。。。。。。dfbb一共就四款，价格分别是同大小车款的最低价，还什
: 么the most expensive dfbb cars
|
i****x
发帖数: 17565 | 20 jetta空间比camry还好？
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: 我真心觉得aaman的2010 Jetta tdi 比任何一辆dfbb都好。操控，ride，内饰，外形，
: 油耗。
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t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 21 在美国还这的没有比捷达更便宜的了，当然了欧洲很多
【在 b********i 的大作中提到】
: 这俩也不行，还是捷达最便宜。
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B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 22 So a 2012 Camry XLE or SE V6 that has a 6 speed auto transmission, 268hp V6,
does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and gets 30mpg on the highway is worse than a 2012
VW GOLF base car?
I understand some of your guys' hatreds towards DFBB, but come on, dont't be
a jerk.
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: Camry xle.
:
: your
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 23 2010 Jetta tdi. 操控，ride，内饰，外形，油耗比任何同年的dfbb都好。
V6,
2012
be
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: So a 2012 Camry XLE or SE V6 that has a 6 speed auto transmission, 268hp V6,
: does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and gets 30mpg on the highway is worse than a 2012
: VW GOLF base car?
: I understand some of your guys' hatreds towards DFBB, but come on, dont't be
: a jerk.
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 24 空间比不过。
【在 i****x 的大作中提到】
: jetta空间比camry还好？
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 25 如果是golf的话，就更不用比了。
V6,
2012
be
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: So a 2012 Camry XLE or SE V6 that has a 6 speed auto transmission, 268hp V6,
: does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and gets 30mpg on the highway is worse than a 2012
: VW GOLF base car?
: I understand some of your guys' hatreds towards DFBB, but come on, dont't be
: a jerk.
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 26 No way a TDI will out run a CIVIC si on track.
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: 2010 Jetta tdi. 操控，ride，内饰，外形，油耗比任何同年的dfbb都好。
:
: V6,
: 2012
: be
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 27 我没有比加速啊。
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: No way a TDI will out run a CIVIC si on track.
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t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 28 You can't compare apple to orange. Camry is one segment up from Jetta and
Golf. Even though, any Euro-specs 2.0TFI Jetta or Golf beats Camry on the
planet in terms of driving dynamics/fuel efficiency.
I know DFBB owners don't care about driving dynamics, then why bother to
argue your choice is better others. Folks are looking for different things
after all.
V6,
2012
be
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: So a 2012 Camry XLE or SE V6 that has a 6 speed auto transmission, 268hp V6,
: does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and gets 30mpg on the highway is worse than a 2012
: VW GOLF base car?
: I understand some of your guys' hatreds towards DFBB, but come on, dont't be
: a jerk.
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 29 Enough said. Besides being slower and more expansive, the VW wins, right?
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: 我没有比加速啊。
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 30 No way a Civic Si will out run a Euro-spec GTI on track.
Again, why you guys keep comparing apples to oranges
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: No way a TDI will out run a CIVIC si on track.
|
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B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 31 I just don't get this whole sale blatant categorization of all car Japs are
inferior than any thing German.
Compare a Euro 2.0 Accord (TSX in USA) to your lauded Jetta and see who
comes out on top, if you want to compare apple to apple.
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: You can't compare apple to orange. Camry is one segment up from Jetta and
: Golf. Even though, any Euro-specs 2.0TFI Jetta or Golf beats Camry on the
: planet in terms of driving dynamics/fuel efficiency.
: I know DFBB owners don't care about driving dynamics, then why bother to
: argue your choice is better others. Folks are looking for different things
: after all.
:
: V6,
: 2012
: be
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 32 The guy was saying the cheapest German car is better than the most costly
DFBB, so there goes your argument.
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: You can't compare apple to orange. Camry is one segment up from Jetta and
: Golf. Even though, any Euro-specs 2.0TFI Jetta or Golf beats Camry on the
: planet in terms of driving dynamics/fuel efficiency.
: I know DFBB owners don't care about driving dynamics, then why bother to
: argue your choice is better others. Folks are looking for different things
: after all.
:
: V6,
: 2012
: be
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 33 A Euro STI will eat any GTI for lunch. LOL.
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: No way a Civic Si will out run a Euro-spec GTI on track.
: Again, why you guys keep comparing apples to oranges
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 34 I was just responding to your comparison between a V6 Camry XLE to a US-Spec
base Jetta
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: The guy was saying the cheapest German car is better than the most costly
: DFBB, so there goes your argument.
|
y***g
发帖数: 10422 | 35 价格不好。太贵。
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: 我真心觉得aaman的2010 Jetta tdi 比任何一辆dfbb都好。操控，ride，内饰，外形，
: 油耗。
|
t******6
发帖数: 9093 | 36 空间不够大，不可靠，维护贵，价格高 = 没有市场在北美
更别说外形ride是主观，加速还肉，地盘还低，烧机油---
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: 2010 Jetta tdi. 操控，ride，内饰，外形，油耗比任何同年的dfbb都好。
:
: V6,
: 2012
: be
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 37 Have you checked the price tags yet? BTW, Accord should be up against Passat
, Mondeo, Insigna
are
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: I just don't get this whole sale blatant categorization of all car Japs are
: inferior than any thing German.
: Compare a Euro 2.0 Accord (TSX in USA) to your lauded Jetta and see who
: comes out on top, if you want to compare apple to apple.
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 38 你发帖之前都不看上下文吗？ 有个倭车粉讽刺aaman的jetta是最便宜的德车，you
should work harder to get a better job.
俺只不过回讽一下而已。
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: A Euro STI will eat any GTI for lunch. LOL.
|
y***g
发帖数: 10422 | 39 以前的 Saturn Astra 比捷达还便宜。
还有 Ford Focus 也可以算德国车。
【在 b********i 的大作中提到】
: 这俩也不行，还是捷达最便宜。
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B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 40 It's silly to argue over cars this way. If you love cars, you love how they
are made, how they look, how they perform and how much they cost.
To say anything made in Japan is trash or anything German is God send just
so dumb.
The best is what fits the guy who pays for it the most.
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: 你发帖之前都不看上下文吗？ 有个倭车粉讽刺aaman的jetta是最便宜的德车，you
: should work harder to get a better job.
: 俺只不过回讽一下而已。
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t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 41 Don't be a redneck, remember the muscle cars always smoke your shit out if
drag race is all you do.
An Euro-spec Sti costs US$80000. In this case, I'd take the M3
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: A Euro STI will eat any GTI for lunch. LOL.
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 42 兄弟，你太认真了。这楼本来就是娱乐坑。呵呵。
they
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: It's silly to argue over cars this way. If you love cars, you love how they
: are made, how they look, how they perform and how much they cost.
: To say anything made in Japan is trash or anything German is God send just
: so dumb.
: The best is what fits the guy who pays for it the most.
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 43 Give me a break. A M5 easily costs twice and some more than a Sti in Europe.
less.
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: Don't be a redneck, remember the muscle cars always smoke your shit out if
: drag race is all you do.
: An Euro-spec Sti costs US$80000. In this case, I'd take the M3
|
A***n
发帖数: 8859 | 44 这个。。。价钱有差异吧？你拿6肛佳美去比Audi s4，6肛佳美尘都吃不上，但这个比
较公平吗？有意义吗？
V6,
2012
be
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: So a 2012 Camry XLE or SE V6 that has a 6 speed auto transmission, 268hp V6,
: does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds and gets 30mpg on the highway is worse than a 2012
: VW GOLF base car?
: I understand some of your guys' hatreds towards DFBB, but come on, dont't be
: a jerk.
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 45 You tried hard to defend Jap cars by bringing a bunch of Euro-spec Jap cars
into the argument. Should I take it as "the Japs had to choice but making
more costy and capable cars in order to compete with the Europeans"?
they
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: It's silly to argue over cars this way. If you love cars, you love how they
: are made, how they look, how they perform and how much they cost.
: To say anything made in Japan is trash or anything German is God send just
: so dumb.
: The best is what fits the guy who pays for it the most.
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 46 Avalon vs. Phaeton
Camry vs. Passat
Corolla vs. Jetta
Matrix vs. Golf
Yaris vs. Polo
IS250 vs. A4
IS350 vs. S4
IS F vs. RS4
ES vs. A6
XX vs. S6
XX vs. RS6
GS vs A7??
XX vs S7
LS vs. A8
XX vs S8
Just sticking with "the best Jap maker" vs. "the worst German maker"...Not
even bringing in BMW and Mercedes-Benz yet
【在 A***n 的大作中提到】
: 这个。。。价钱有差异吧？你拿6肛佳美去比Audi s4，6肛佳美尘都吃不上，但这个比
: 较公平吗？有意义吗？
:
: V6,
: 2012
: be
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 47 I am trying to convince no one. I have both Jap and German cars, so I am not
biased. I buy what feels right for my need.
To diss a Camry for no other reason than being Japaneses is stupid. VW would
love to have Camry's annual sale number, but they could only dream about
that. VW finally came to its senses now to de-content and made the new
Passat bigger and cheaper to be just like Camry/Accord. So compare cars that
costs the same, will you? and stop giving that cheapest Jetta is better
than the most expansive DFBB crap.
cars
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: You tried hard to defend Jap cars by bringing a bunch of Euro-spec Jap cars
: into the argument. Should I take it as "the Japs had to choice but making
: more costy and capable cars in order to compete with the Europeans"?
:
: they
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 48 You were the one talking about market differences to begin with...now you're
saying VW is dreaming about sales volume in the US market? Did the Japs
rebadge their Acuras with Honda to try to sell in Europe and eventually
still are dreaming about sales volume of Skoda?? Or Peugeot?? Or Opel?? Not
even talking about VW.
not
would
that
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: I am trying to convince no one. I have both Jap and German cars, so I am not
: biased. I buy what feels right for my need.
: To diss a Camry for no other reason than being Japaneses is stupid. VW would
: love to have Camry's annual sale number, but they could only dream about
: that. VW finally came to its senses now to de-content and made the new
: Passat bigger and cheaper to be just like Camry/Accord. So compare cars that
: costs the same, will you? and stop giving that cheapest Jetta is better
: than the most expansive DFBB crap.
:
: cars
|
t******6
发帖数: 9093 | 49 这么比德车统统完败啊
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: Avalon vs. Phaeton
: Camry vs. Passat
: Corolla vs. Jetta
: Matrix vs. Golf
: Yaris vs. Polo
: IS250 vs. A4
: IS350 vs. S4
: IS F vs. RS4
: ES vs. A6
: XX vs. S6
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 50 LOL, Toyota still produce way more models than all Audi and VW combined.
It's meaningless to compare this way. As I said RS4 is a fabulous car, but
can Audi makes a better Camry that cost the same?
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: Avalon vs. Phaeton
: Camry vs. Passat
: Corolla vs. Jetta
: Matrix vs. Golf
: Yaris vs. Polo
: IS250 vs. A4
: IS350 vs. S4
: IS F vs. RS4
: ES vs. A6
: XX vs. S6
|
|
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t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 51 You're comparing apples with oranges again. Remember you said about
different targeted customer base? People who buy Audi don't give a shit
about Toyotas, people who buy Toyotas certainly can't afford owning Audis.
Let me help you out to make your point...Volkswagen made a better car than
Camry at same cost - introducing the all new Passat (both Shanghai-designed
US version and Wolfsburg-designed EU version)
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: LOL, Toyota still produce way more models than all Audi and VW combined.
: It's meaningless to compare this way. As I said RS4 is a fabulous car, but
: can Audi makes a better Camry that cost the same?
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 52 European market is a closed and highly regulated and protected. US is a
better place to compare.
Anyhow, I am not saying Audi is bad or Toyota is better, what I am saying is
you got to evaluate a car by its merit. A Camry is a good car for its price
, and half a million buyers each years agree. Wait till Passat sales reaches
the same volume, since they cost the same now, than VW has a winner.
re
Not
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: You were the one talking about market differences to begin with...now you're
: saying VW is dreaming about sales volume in the US market? Did the Japs
: rebadge their Acuras with Honda to try to sell in Europe and eventually
: still are dreaming about sales volume of Skoda?? Or Peugeot?? Or Opel?? Not
: even talking about VW.
:
: not
: would
: that
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 53 Are you saying Toyota manufactures more cars annually or Toyota designs more
models?
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: LOL, Toyota still produce way more models than all Audi and VW combined.
: It's meaningless to compare this way. As I said RS4 is a fabulous car, but
: can Audi makes a better Camry that cost the same?
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 54 EU regulations? Never heard of, like what? Japanese cars can't meet the
handling index mandated by the government?
After all the discussion, you're talking about sales volume again. Let me
tell you, the real winner is on some shelf in Walmart.
is
price
reaches
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: European market is a closed and highly regulated and protected. US is a
: better place to compare.
: Anyhow, I am not saying Audi is bad or Toyota is better, what I am saying is
: you got to evaluate a car by its merit. A Camry is a good car for its price
: , and half a million buyers each years agree. Wait till Passat sales reaches
: the same volume, since they cost the same now, than VW has a winner.
:
: re
: Not
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B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 55 Wow, come down from your high horses. Just about any decent car maker can
make expansive good cars, but to make affordable good cars is not that easy.
To look down people who can't afford expansive cars are pretty insolent. No
need to be a snob to disrespect those who, for whatever reasons, buy DFBB.
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: EU regulations? Never heard of, like what? Japanese cars can't meet the
: handling index mandated by the government?
: After all the discussion, you're talking about sales volume again. Let me
: tell you, the real winner is on some shelf in Walmart.
:
: is
: price
: reaches
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 56 Ever heard of quotas? My numbers may not be current, but UK is limiting Japs
car imports to less than 10% and French is less than 3% and on and on. get
it?
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: EU regulations? Never heard of, like what? Japanese cars can't meet the
: handling index mandated by the government?
: After all the discussion, you're talking about sales volume again. Let me
: tell you, the real winner is on some shelf in Walmart.
:
: is
: price
: reaches
|
l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 57 明明是倭车饭先瞧不起开jetta的德粉。你眼睛有毛病呀？
easy.
No
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: Wow, come down from your high horses. Just about any decent car maker can
: make expansive good cars, but to make affordable good cars is not that easy.
: To look down people who can't afford expansive cars are pretty insolent. No
: need to be a snob to disrespect those who, for whatever reasons, buy DFBB.
|
B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 58 I can careless what car you buy, what makes you happy is all that matters.
So stop telling other people what they should buy, and the world will be a
much happier place.
【在 l*****6 的大作中提到】
: 明明是倭车饭先瞧不起开jetta的德粉。你眼睛有毛病呀？
:
: easy.
: No
|
t*********r
发帖数: 2558 | 59 FYI, Hondas sold in the EU are made in the UK since 1989. If the UK-made Japanese brand is still considered imports, how about Ford? American car
exempted from quota?
Japs
get
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: Ever heard of quotas? My numbers may not be current, but UK is limiting Japs
: car imports to less than 10% and French is less than 3% and on and on. get
: it?
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 60 你不懂中文是吗？
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: I can careless what car you buy, what makes you happy is all that matters.
: So stop telling other people what they should buy, and the world will be a
: much happier place.
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 61 发信人: TeddyBe (ar), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Re: 这版上把各种车吵来吵去的大多不懂得marketing吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 27 17:07:21 2012, 美东)
Is there any German car cheaper than Jetta? You may need to work hard or get
a better job.
【在 A***n 的大作中提到】
: 报告：我只粉部分德军一一目前还没有可靠性的问题。
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B*****1
发帖数: 526 | 62 What is your point? Trying to tell me few Europeans buying Japs cars so Japs
are worse than whatever brand you throwing around?
Like I said, it's meaningless to diss any cars just because you may not like
them. If there is a market for a particular car, the one who buys it would
think that's the best car for him/her at that moment. Period.
Japanese brand is still considered imports, how about Ford? American car
【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: FYI, Hondas sold in the EU are made in the UK since 1989. If the UK-made Japanese brand is still considered imports, how about Ford? American car
: exempted from quota?
:
: Japs
: get
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 63 Assuming she/he knows what's the best car for her/him at that moment.
But how many people really know that? Many people are cluless about cars.
Some spoiled kid buys a M3 using his parent's money, you think that's the
best car for him at that moment?
Japs
like
would
【在 B*****1 的大作中提到】
: What is your point? Trying to tell me few Europeans buying Japs cars so Japs
: are worse than whatever brand you throwing around?
: Like I said, it's meaningless to diss any cars just because you may not like
: them. If there is a market for a particular car, the one who buys it would
: think that's the best car for him/her at that moment. Period.
:
: Japanese brand is still considered imports, how about Ford? American car
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