b******e
发帖数: 1311 | 1 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
谢谢 |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 2 自己的车,自己开的爽最重要
这俩车都挺好,不用听别人怎么说,哪个自己喜欢上哪个就好.
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
|
W********i
发帖数: 1115 | 3 you tried GL450 2015? forget it
The 3.0L is a joke for a 5371lb SUV
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
|
D****8
发帖数: 408 | 4 晕 记得你不是刚买的这款么
严重动力不足？
【在 W********i 的大作中提到】
: you tried GL450 2015? forget it
: The 3.0L is a joke for a 5371lb SUV
|
b******e
发帖数: 1311 | 5 恩，试的gl450 2015
现在改主意了，想在ml和x5之间挑一个
【在 W********i 的大作中提到】
: you tried GL450 2015? forget it
: The 3.0L is a joke for a 5371lb SUV
|
k**********e
发帖数: 2507 | 6 X5吧，装逼首选，6缸吃伟哥，动力澎湃！
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 7 眼光不妨向前看喽
否则同样的理由,七十年代那些开七点几升V8的人也可以说瞧不起四点几升V8的车
而实际上被鄙视的都反而跑得更快.
【在 W********i 的大作中提到】
: you tried GL450 2015? forget it
: The 3.0L is a joke for a 5371lb SUV
|
W********i
发帖数: 1115 | 8 mine is a 4.7L one, not 3.0L
The power is ok.
I bought lots of salt and tile from Homedepot today, threw it to the back,
it can still run........
【在 D****8 的大作中提到】
: 晕 记得你不是刚买的这款么
: 严重动力不足？
|
D****8
发帖数: 408 | 9 仅仅个人体验： 喜欢X5》ML
X5 sport mode 35i高速操控感觉相当不错了 50i就没得说了
ML对我太四平八稳 不是很喜欢
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 恩，试的gl450 2015
: 现在改主意了，想在ml和x5之间挑一个
|
J*******i
发帖数: 3588 | 10 Ml操控性不如gl？。。
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
|
|
|
b******e
发帖数: 1311 | 11 谢谢。今天bmw的dealer不让高速试车。只在local转了转，感觉不明显。
现在拖家带口，就想找个结实安全的
【在 D****8 的大作中提到】
: 仅仅个人体验： 喜欢X5》ML
: X5 sport mode 35i高速操控感觉相当不错了 50i就没得说了
: ML对我太四平八稳 不是很喜欢
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 12 我觉得,如果楼主能开出来GL比ML更好操纵,而ML和X5没明显差别
那说明他实际上对操纵性好坏并不敏感
这样的话不妨就选自己喜欢的
ML还能省个小一万呢,拿去干啥不好呢:D
【在 D****8 的大作中提到】
: 仅仅个人体验： 喜欢X5》ML
: X5 sport mode 35i高速操控感觉相当不错了 50i就没得说了
: ML对我太四平八稳 不是很喜欢
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 13 这样的话直接搞ML就行了,新一代X5 iihs还没测
但ML是测过而且表现相当好的,可以说是同级标杆
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢。今天bmw的dealer不让高速试车。只在local转了转，感觉不明显。
: 现在拖家带口，就想找个结实安全的
|
W********i
发帖数: 1115 | 14 个人建议， lease X5 for 3 years, 然后换X7
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢。今天bmw的dealer不让高速试车。只在local转了转，感觉不明显。
: 现在拖家带口，就想找个结实安全的
|
k**********e
发帖数: 2507 | 15 35相当不错，50没得说？——尼玛，还有比你更苦逼的么-____-！！
【在 D****8 的大作中提到】
: 仅仅个人体验： 喜欢X5》ML
: X5 sport mode 35i高速操控感觉相当不错了 50i就没得说了
: ML对我太四平八稳 不是很喜欢
|
b******e
发帖数: 1311 | 16 俺确实对车没啥概念：（
现在就是因为有娃了想换个结实点的。要能开起来爽就更好。不过车上老人孩子舒服更
重要
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得,如果楼主能开出来GL比ML更好操纵,而ML和X5没明显差别
: 那说明他实际上对操纵性好坏并不敏感
: 这样的话不妨就选自己喜欢的
: ML还能省个小一万呢,拿去干啥不好呢:D
|
W********i
发帖数: 1115 | 17 你到底几个人啊？
如果两口子，1个孩子，再加两个老人，那五座车其实还是挺憋屈的。
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 俺确实对车没啥概念：（
: 现在就是因为有娃了想换个结实点的。要能开起来爽就更好。不过车上老人孩子舒服更
: 重要
|
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 18 ML is a full-time AWD. X5 is a on-demand AWD |
S*******n
发帖数: 10009 | 19 当然破鞋揩燕乐。
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
|
b******e
发帖数: 1311 | 20 两口子，刚生一娃
估计以后我父母会常驻
所以本来想gl,觉得再有一个娃也行
今天看了觉得还是小，只能先两排SUV,以后几年后还得上van
【在 W********i 的大作中提到】
: 你到底几个人啊？
: 如果两口子，1个孩子，再加两个老人，那五座车其实还是挺憋屈的。
|
|
|
b******e
发帖数: 1311 | 21 太贵了
【在 S*******n 的大作中提到】
: 当然破鞋揩燕乐。
|
D****8
发帖数: 408 | 22 对，其实ML是挺舒适的家用suv,有个新生娃，这个可能是更好的选择
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得,如果楼主能开出来GL比ML更好操纵,而ML和X5没明显差别
: 那说明他实际上对操纵性好坏并不敏感
: 这样的话不妨就选自己喜欢的
: ML还能省个小一万呢,拿去干啥不好呢:D
|
S*******n
发帖数: 10009 | 23 那ML比较家庭化，X5属年轻人的
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 太贵了
|
D****8
发帖数: 408 | 24 那我记错了 喜欢就好！enjoy!
【在 W********i 的大作中提到】
: mine is a 4.7L one, not 3.0L
: The power is ok.
: I bought lots of salt and tile from Homedepot today, threw it to the back,
: it can still run........
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 25 要结实舒服,那上ML就挺好了
X5的话你要开的爽的话,也得要另外加一些性能相关的package,
而且说白了怎么也就是一SUV,又那么重,不会特别爽
我自己是先后开了一代和二代的X5,说实在的也挺喜欢
但我觉得你的情况的话其实ML更适合:)
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 俺确实对车没啥概念：（
: 现在就是因为有娃了想换个结实点的。要能开起来爽就更好。不过车上老人孩子舒服更
: 重要
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 26 re
【在 W********i 的大作中提到】
: 你到底几个人啊？
: 如果两口子，1个孩子，再加两个老人，那五座车其实还是挺憋屈的。
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 27 X5一样是full time AWD.一直都是.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: ML is a full-time AWD. X5 is a on-demand AWD
|
W********i
发帖数: 1115 | 28 你要是有这打算，不如直接上van
第二排中间有个car seat，两边坐人都很憋屈
反正你回头也会再有个娃的，横竖还得van
我家里van就很好用，第二排中间空的，往第三排进很容易
日常带娃真心方便
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 两口子，刚生一娃
: 估计以后我父母会常驻
: 所以本来想gl,觉得再有一个娃也行
: 今天看了觉得还是小，只能先两排SUV,以后几年后还得上van
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 29 re
两排座SUV如果要坐5个人,而且小朋友还要装carseat的话,会比较憋屈
【在 W********i 的大作中提到】
: 你要是有这打算，不如直接上van
: 第二排中间有个car seat，两边坐人都很憋屈
: 反正你回头也会再有个娃的，横竖还得van
: 我家里van就很好用，第二排中间空的，往第三排进很容易
: 日常带娃真心方便
|
c*********2
发帖数: 2752 | 30 Ml350还不错的 空间足 里面安静舒服 很稳 我想你2口子准备要小孩估计也就是找个安
全点的大车 x5也不错 看你自己咯 |
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 31 Copy from Google
On-demand AWD (longitudinal): These are better performing all-wheel-drive
systems. Engine and transmission are mounted longitudinally. Power is first
transmitted to the center of the vehicle, then split to front and rear
axles. The drivetrain layout is designed to distribute torque more evenly
between front and rear axles when AWD is activated.
Examples: Subaru Active AWD, BMW X-drive (latest), Infinity Intelligent AWD.
Full-time AWD (v-lsd/open): These are the simpler full-time AWD systems
that maintains constant power split between front and rear axles in normal
driving conditions but have little ability on reacting to slipping
conditions: when one set (front or rear) of the axle do lose traction, the
other side gets little to no power output due to the use of an open
differential. Viscous limited-slip differential are introduced to reduce
slipping, but typically takes longer time to react. Some recent systems use
ABS brakes to reduce wheel slipping.
Examples: Subaru Continuous AWD, Mercedes 4-Matic (4ETS). |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 32 我可以负责任的告诉你,xdrive是利用多片离合器实现的恒定的40:60前后轴动力分配
first
AWD.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: Copy from Google
: On-demand AWD (longitudinal): These are better performing all-wheel-drive
: systems. Engine and transmission are mounted longitudinally. Power is first
: transmitted to the center of the vehicle, then split to front and rear
: axles. The drivetrain layout is designed to distribute torque more evenly
: between front and rear axles when AWD is activated.
: Examples: Subaru Active AWD, BMW X-drive (latest), Infinity Intelligent AWD.
: Full-time AWD (v-lsd/open): These are the simpler full-time AWD systems
: that maintains constant power split between front and rear axles in normal
: driving conditions but have little ability on reacting to slipping
|
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 33 The old xdrive is the full-time. The latest are automatic AWD. Copy from
awdwiki
bmw's xdrive all wheel drive system
Proactive automatic all wheel drive system. The rear wheels are powered at
all times. Torque can be transferred to the front wheels via electronically
controlled multi plate clutch that is located in the transfer case. XDrive
does not have a center differential. Most of the time, the clutch is
partially locked and power is transferred to both axles in proportion 40/60
front to rear. The power distribution can be altered to continuously
variable levels (from 50/50 to 0/100). For example, when driving at high
speed, or when parking, the clutch is disengaged and all power goes to the
rear wheels.
But old xdrive is full time
5-series E34 525iX 1991-1996
Full-time all wheel drive. Torque split 36% front / 64% rear. Computer
controlled system using the ABS sensors to detect wheel slip. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 34 "
Most of the time, the clutch is
partially locked and power is transferred to both axles in proportion 40/60
front to rear.
"
换句话说,常态下就是40:60
有需要的话可以改变分配动力比例,这是说出现极端情况比如前后一轴失去附着力的情况
从一代X5小改(MY04)开始改用xdrive,就是这个设定
更早的一代X5 MY 00-03四驱系统用的是中差,但那个系统并不叫xdrive
换句话说,xdrive一开始就是用多片离合器的设置,不存在新旧不同的差别.
所谓on demand AWD,正常定义下是只平常动力只输出到前轴或后轴,
只有有需要时才四轮同时有动力
区别就是full time AWD,始终向四轮输出动力.
需要注意的是,可以动态分配前后轴动力输出,和常态下是否只向两轮输出动力
这是两个不同概念.后者才是界定是否on demand AWD的原则.
electronically
60
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: The old xdrive is the full-time. The latest are automatic AWD. Copy from
: awdwiki
: bmw's xdrive all wheel drive system
: Proactive automatic all wheel drive system. The rear wheels are powered at
: all times. Torque can be transferred to the front wheels via electronically
: controlled multi plate clutch that is located in the transfer case. XDrive
: does not have a center differential. Most of the time, the clutch is
: partially locked and power is transferred to both axles in proportion 40/60
: front to rear. The power distribution can be altered to continuously
: variable levels (from 50/50 to 0/100). For example, when driving at high
|
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 35 it looks like after 2006, bmw switched to Proactive automatic all wheel
drive system on all their cars |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 36 the xdrive system has been there since 2003 (for MY04 cars),
and from day one it has been an proactive (meaning it can actively
split torque between front and rear axle) system.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: it looks like after 2006, bmw switched to Proactive automatic all wheel
: drive system on all their cars
|
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 37 In awdwiki, it says clearly, Proactive automatic all wheel drive system. And
Google says the same thing. If you insist it is full time, I am speechless. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 38 explain to me, what is "full time"
and what is
"proactive automatic"
and why proactive automatic AWD must not be full time AWD,
can you?
actually, an AWD system can be BOTH full time AND proactive automatic.
And
speechless.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: In awdwiki, it says clearly, Proactive automatic all wheel drive system. And
: Google says the same thing. If you insist it is full time, I am speechless.
|
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 39 here is the definition from awdwiki
automatic all wheel drive
This is an "on-demand" all wheel drive system. Under normal driving
conditions, only one axle is powered. When wheel slipping occurs (the
driving driveshaft rotates faster than the driven driveshaft), a multiplate
hydraulic clutch, viscous coupling, or other similar traction control device
locks and engages another axle. Torque gets transferred to another axle. As
soon as difference in front and rear axle speeds is eliminated, the device
unlocks and the vehicle goes back into two-wheel drive mode.
The difference between the traction devices that are used in full-time all
wheel drive and automatic all wheel drive systems is that the device used in
automatic all wheel drive system replaces the center differential.
Advanced electronically controlled all wheel drive systems can be proactive
and lock the traction control device even before wheels start to slip - the
need for all wheel drive is determined in real time, based on the
information that is collected from various sensors (i.e. g-force sensor,
accelerator pedal position, etc.).
Some vehicles let the driver to lock the multiplate hydraulic clutch
manually when the driver feels that he needs all wheel drive engaged
permanently, for example to drive off road. For example, in Nissan X-Trail,
this is accomplished by pressing a button on the dashboard console. In
Subaru Legacy, the clutch is locked when the automatic transmission gear
shift lever is at the position "1".
A known problem with multiplate hydraulic clutches that are used in
automatic all wheel drive systems is traction device overheating. For
example, this can occur with some compact SUVs when they are driven off-road
, through a thick layer of snow, etc. ECU detects overheating, disengages
the clutch, and puts the vehicle into 2WD mode. A warning light is displayed
on the instrument panel. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 40 "
here is the definition from awdwiki
automatic all wheel drive
This is an "on-demand" all wheel drive system. Under normal driving
conditions, only one axle is powered.
"
under THIS definition, the xdrive is NOT an automatic AWD system.
As it constantly delivers torque to BOTH FRONT AND REAR AXLE.
I'll bet you 1000USD on this. You take the bet, I'll get you an official
response from BMWUSA.
multiplate
device
As
device
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: here is the definition from awdwiki
: automatic all wheel drive
: This is an "on-demand" all wheel drive system. Under normal driving
: conditions, only one axle is powered. When wheel slipping occurs (the
: driving driveshaft rotates faster than the driven driveshaft), a multiplate
: hydraulic clutch, viscous coupling, or other similar traction control device
: locks and engages another axle. Torque gets transferred to another axle. As
: soon as difference in front and rear axle speeds is eliminated, the device
: unlocks and the vehicle goes back into two-wheel drive mode.
: The difference between the traction devices that are used in full-time all
|
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 41 BMW always says he is best. even Nissan is saying it's AWD is best. Do you
believe? |
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 42 The question is what kind of AWD you really need. For sedan, part-time AWD
is good enough. If you really want off-road, go better 4WD. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 43 yes but BMW will never say its xdrive system has a differential lock.
Even if that's a plus.
Admit this: you have NO IDEA about AWD system.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: BMW always says he is best. even Nissan is saying it's AWD is best. Do you
: believe?
|
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 44 If confirmation from official BMWUSA PR won't work, what will be a credible
source you can trust?
Name one, take the 1000USD bet, and I'll turn to such party for confirmation.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: The question is what kind of AWD you really need. For sedan, part-time AWD
: is good enough. If you really want off-road, go better 4WD.
|
M********s
发帖数: 24729 | |
D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 46 你试了x5的sports模式吗
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
|
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 47 xdrive is a automatic AWD. Infiniti AWD is a automatic AWD too. They are not
full time.
All you said is what your interpretations. Google, awdwiki, no one says the
newest Xdrive is a full-time except you. why I trust you. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 48 you can choose not to trust me. it doesn't matter.
But if you are so sure xdrive is not a full time AWD system,
WHY DARE YOU NOT BET IT?
1000USD of free money.
not
the
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: xdrive is a automatic AWD. Infiniti AWD is a automatic AWD too. They are not
: full time.
: All you said is what your interpretations. Google, awdwiki, no one says the
: newest Xdrive is a full-time except you. why I trust you.
|
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 49 We are talking about the newest xdrive, not old one.
I can bet. But the answer can not come from BMW. BMW will say anything they
want because this is their car. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 50 name a source you trust.
they
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: We are talking about the newest xdrive, not old one.
: I can bet. But the answer can not come from BMW. BMW will say anything they
: want because this is their car.
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 52 and to clarify, will the xdrive system on the 2014 X5 xdrive be
under your definition of "newest xdrive"?
they
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: We are talking about the newest xdrive, not old one.
: I can bet. But the answer can not come from BMW. BMW will say anything they
: want because this is their car.
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 53 This is a website. Name an entity which can provide notarized response.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.awdwiki.com/en/bmw/
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 54 for example,
X6, you see xdrive. when you click xdrive, it goes to Proactive automatic
all wheel drive system.
when you click automatic all wheel drive system, it says on-demand
it is updated on 2014 |
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 55 can you name your source saying xdrive is full time |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 56 no i don't want to discuss with you anymore.
let me ask you this:
Will the CAR AND DRIVER magazine be a credible source for you?
Or Motortrend, Road & track, or automotive engineering international,
or any car magazine which has been widely published and recognized?
Will a letter from an editor from these magazines saying the xdrive
is a fulltime AWD or otherwise be a credible proof that you win or lose?
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: can you name your source saying xdrive is full time
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 58 no I don't want to. Bet with me, or admit you can't support your claim.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: could you give a link?
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 59 you can not give me any link. everything is from you. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 60 Again, I CHOOSE NOT TO discuss with you.
You've said you want a bet, then just name a credible source who is able
to provide a notarzied statement.
We'll go from there.
And I have asked:
Will Car and Driver be credible enough, if BMW is not?
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: you can not give me any link. everything is from you.
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 61 I have shown my source, it proves my point.
where is yours, expect from your mouth. |
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 62 in my link, you can clearly see xdrive is NOY full time. It proves my point.
Where is your source? |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 63 You don't deserve it. And now I see, you dare not bet it.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: I have shown my source, it proves my point.
: where is yours, expect from your mouth.
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 64 bet or leave.
point.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: in my link, you can clearly see xdrive is NOY full time. It proves my point.
: Where is your source?
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | |
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 66 which supports your point? except from your mouth. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 67 I've sent you a message requesting your name and address so
I can send in documents. You haven't replied since.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: bet
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 68 Show your doc here, so everyone can see it. |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 69 Now that you are entering this bet, please response:
1. will a response from CAR and DRIVER be credible enough?
2. will the bet over "whether the xdrive system on a MY2014 X5 xdrive is a
full-
time AWD system"?
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: which supports your point? except from your mouth.
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 70 it's a bet between you and me. And yes, whoever else want to enter this bet
can
see it.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: Show your doc here, so everyone can see it.
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 71 show your doc. I have shown mine here. show yours, not from your mouth. |
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 73 not until I am looking at documents with your legal signature.
Please don't get it wrong. It's the documents you need to sign in order
to formally and legally enter this bet.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: show your doc. I have shown mine here. show yours, not from your mouth.
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | |
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 75 if you can not provide your doc, I will go to sleep |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 76 CAN'T YOU READ?
You declared to enter a bet, and you are supposed to sign a bettor's
agreement,
right?
I am requesting your address so the agreement will be sent, requesting your
signature. Please provide.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: if you can not provide your doc, I will go to sleep
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 77 Everyone is here, I proved xdrive is not full time.
Show your doc, not from your mouth. |
a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 78 go to sleep, waste my time |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 79 No, once you've entered the bet you are not in a position to declare that.
Again, under the standard procedure both parties are supposed to sign
the bettor's agreement. I'll prepare one, sign it, send it to your address,
and request your signature. And we'll go from there.
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: Everyone is here, I proved xdrive is not full time.
: Show your doc, not from your mouth.
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 80 I will not educate you for free. Now that you have DECLARED to enter the bet
but refuse to cooperate and proceed, could you provide any reasonble excuse?
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: go to sleep, waste my time
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C********s
发帖数: 428 | 81 xdrive常态分配awd啊,没什么可争议的吧
proactive是指通过即时数据主动调整分配,但还是awd没问题啊 |
t*****e
发帖数: 688 | 82 " why I trust you."因为他急眼了
not
the
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: xdrive is a automatic AWD. Infiniti AWD is a automatic AWD too. They are not
: full time.
: All you said is what your interpretations. Google, awdwiki, no one says the
: newest Xdrive is a full-time except you. why I trust you.
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a********c
发帖数: 3657 | 83 你这话前后矛盾啊，离合器怎么可能恒定呢？
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 我可以负责任的告诉你,xdrive是利用多片离合器实现的恒定的40:60前后轴动力分配
:
: first
: AWD.
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a********c
发帖数: 3657 | 84 关键词partially，太公4躯那。
60
情况
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: "
: here is the definition from awdwiki
: automatic all wheel drive
: This is an "on-demand" all wheel drive system. Under normal driving
: conditions, only one axle is powered.
: "
: under THIS definition, the xdrive is NOT an automatic AWD system.
: As it constantly delivers torque to BOTH FRONT AND REAR AXLE.
: I'll bet you 1000USD on this. You take the bet, I'll get you an official
: response from BMWUSA.
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a********c
发帖数: 3657 | 85 I feel he has better knowledge than you 啊
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: yes but BMW will never say its xdrive system has a differential lock.
: Even if that's a plus.
: Admit this: you have NO IDEA about AWD system.
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a********c
发帖数: 3657 | 86 有孩子只能ml，x5放carseat累死你。
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
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a**********a
发帖数: 544 | 87 I am waiting for you teach me.
Look, all my quotes are from Google and awdwiki website. It is not form the
controversy forum. If they are wrong, why BMW will not suit these websites,
including Google.
What you said is just you comments about what I quoted. No matter what the
website said, you always said xdrive is full time.
So still waiting you teach me.
Why I need follow your rule to sign the stupid something. If you can, show
your doc.
Also I found xdrive from BMW website
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/technology/technology_guide/
xDrive is the permanent all-wheel drive system from BMW. it is NOT full time
AWD. Full time AWD (Mercedes, Audi) is much better than permanent AWD.
still need 刷试管 today. catch you later |
m********n
发帖数: 211 | 88 你们这俩也够逗的，有这必要吗？纠结一个定义, 你要说crv的四驱不是真的，倒是句
实话。争论x5和ml 四驱的差别,对实际使用没什么意义。再说句不客气的，英文写得也
够烂的，丢人现眼 |
V***a
发帖数: 11942 | |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 90 multiplate clutch如果完全锁死则相当于硬轴,而完全开放则相当于断开
你如果要实现一个中间状态的扭矩分配,比如xdrive常态的40:60的分配
就必须要partially接通.你可以考虑一下离合器半联动的情况.
这就是你看到的"partially"所指的意思.
【在 a********c 的大作中提到】
: 关键词partially，太公4躯那。
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: 情况
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 91 no i will not teach you at no cost.
As I said, reply my PM and provide a valid mailing address.
I will send in a bettor's agreement.
Or you don't want to follow my rule, that's fine. Propose your way
of how this betting will go, so that someone will make sure to win/lose
1000USD.
the
,
【在 a**********a 的大作中提到】
: I am waiting for you teach me.
: Look, all my quotes are from Google and awdwiki website. It is not form the
: controversy forum. If they are wrong, why BMW will not suit these websites,
: including Google.
: What you said is just you comments about what I quoted. No matter what the
: website said, you always said xdrive is full time.
: So still waiting you teach me.
: Why I need follow your rule to sign the stupid something. If you can, show
: your doc.
: Also I found xdrive from BMW website
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J**B
发帖数: 204 | 92 银子够，就买GL呗，我读着觉得LZ是喜欢GL。 |
U**s
发帖数: 3390 | 93 都是好车 挑自己心里最喜欢的就好
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
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o**o
发帖数: 3964 | 94 ML is not as good as the new X5 for sure. however the brand name in some
markets (such as China) may be worth more than bmw.
GL is good for difference reasons. it doesn't have a direct competitor from
Germany. there used to be R350, which is a cheaper alternative, but they
have killed it at least for the US. |
x*b
发帖数: 5723 | 95 I believe BMW is going to release the new X7 next yr or early 2016. That is
GL's direct competitor.
from
【在 o**o 的大作中提到】
: ML is not as good as the new X5 for sure. however the brand name in some
: markets (such as China) may be worth more than bmw.
: GL is good for difference reasons. it doesn't have a direct competitor from
: Germany. there used to be R350, which is a cheaper alternative, but they
: have killed it at least for the US.
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m********t
发帖数: 9426 | 96 你们都好有钱啊。。。为什么我们挣个几十万还是觉得穷呢？你们是不是都半个米以上
了？
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 两口子，刚生一娃
: 估计以后我父母会常驻
: 所以本来想gl,觉得再有一个娃也行
: 今天看了觉得还是小，只能先两排SUV,以后几年后还得上van
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m********t
发帖数: 9426 | 97 我觉得银子够，买个八座pilot高配挺好的
一辆gl可以买两辆半pilot至少
【在 J**B 的大作中提到】
: 银子够，就买GL呗，我读着觉得LZ是喜欢GL。
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 98 挣那么多钱买 xc90 正好啊
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得银子够，买个八座pilot高配挺好的
: 一辆gl可以买两辆半pilot至少
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W********i
发帖数: 1115 | 99 re
我觉得楼主根本不care这些，呵呵
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: 你们这俩也够逗的，有这必要吗？纠结一个定义, 你要说crv的四驱不是真的，倒是句
: 实话。争论x5和ml 四驱的差别,对实际使用没什么意义。再说句不客气的，英文写得也
: 够烂的，丢人现眼
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 100 请指教不烂的英文应该是怎样，洗耳恭听。
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: 你们这俩也够逗的，有这必要吗？纠结一个定义, 你要说crv的四驱不是真的，倒是句
: 实话。争论x5和ml 四驱的差别,对实际使用没什么意义。再说句不客气的，英文写得也
: 够烂的，丢人现眼
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b******e
发帖数: 1311 | 101 谢谢大家的评点。
楼上说的是，我们两都不懂车，所以试车也只是个感觉，没有那么纠结技术细节。无非
就是有了娃感觉sedan有点小，出门一趟东西多不少，所以想换个SUV，想要个安全舒适
的.因为自己不懂，所以想看看大家的说法。别伤了和气。 |
m********n
发帖数: 211 | 102 你俩自己看看吧：
So still waiting you teach me.
Propose your way of how this betting will go, so that someone will make sure
to win/lose 1000USD.
争得面红耳赤的，至于的吗？冲我来吧，都消消气。
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 请指教不烂的英文应该是怎样，洗耳恭听。
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 103 确实有毛病,骂得对!:D
sure
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: 你俩自己看看吧：
: So still waiting you teach me.
: Propose your way of how this betting will go, so that someone will make sure
: to win/lose 1000USD.
: 争得面红耳赤的，至于的吗？冲我来吧，都消消气。
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n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 104 都买suv还操控个头啊。。。还不如看看内饰。
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 今天去试车。本来打算看gl的。看了车之后觉得第三排比想象的小。改变主意决定买两
: 排的suv了。试了ml感觉操控性不如gl。又去试了x5，貌似操控性上没觉得明显强，第
: 二排还好像小一点。现在犹豫不绝。有人能推荐推荐么？
: 谢谢
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B*****l
发帖数: 1078 | 105 哈哈 就是
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 都买suv还操控个头啊。。。还不如看看内饰。
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s***i
发帖数: 10182 | 106 终于有人说实话了
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.7
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 都买suv还操控个头啊。。。还不如看看内饰。
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 107 时代不一样了，架高的底盘也要当跑车开，比如macan
【在 s***i 的大作中提到】
: 终于有人说实话了
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.7
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s***i
发帖数: 10182 | 108 macan和本主题两个车有一毛钱关系么。。。
这两个车都是高档菜车而已
macan是高档小菜车，所以偶尔跑一下可以
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 时代不一样了，架高的底盘也要当跑车开，比如macan
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B*****l
发帖数: 1078 | 109 Of course the choice would be ml350. Its a mercedes after all :) |
k********e
发帖数: 2844 | 110 X5坐车的人不舒服
乘客舒适性还是选奔驰吧
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.7
【在 b******e 的大作中提到】
: 俺确实对车没啥概念：（
: 现在就是因为有娃了想换个结实点的。要能开起来爽就更好。不过车上老人孩子舒服更
: 重要
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