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s*****g
发帖数: 3693
1
laoselang号称丰田自动加速造成几千人死亡
发信人: rihei (嘿嘿), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Re: 自动加速问题最严重的是福特
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 5 17:52:28 2015, 美东)
丰田水军真能颠倒黑白
你说说ford自动加速死了几个?
丰田那可是至少死了几千人
------------------------------------------------------------------------
难以想象laoselang竟然不要脸到这个地步,肆无忌惮的编造数据,把媒体的计算说成是
官方认定的,还莫名其妙来了个只计算5%,瞬间就把死亡数杠杆到几千人
105个死亡事故是LA Times计算的,而且是统计了所有的cases
http://projects.latimes.com/toyota/
NHTSA只认定了5个死亡事故
"while the Los Angeles Times calculated 105 deaths; NHTSA officially set the
number at 5"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/chi-total-r
同时NHTSA review了所有的3000个reports,而不是像laoselang幻想的一样只review了
5%的
cases
This process revealed approximately 9,700 UA-Related Complaints for all
model years (MY) 1998-2010 vehicles, of which approximately 3,000 were
Toyota vehicles.This body of complaints underwent further review that will
be discussed in later sections. The review included targeted follow-up
interviews of the complainants, cross-checking against other
data sets, and decisions as to the appropriate category for each complaint.
"Technical Assessment of Toyota Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Systems"
NHTSA
"我说几千人是有依据的",依据就是laoselang的嘴
T*********s
发帖数: 20444
2
婊子老色狼

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: laoselang号称丰田自动加速造成几千人死亡
: 发信人: rihei (嘿嘿), 信区: Automobile
: 标 题: Re: 自动加速问题最严重的是福特
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 5 17:52:28 2015, 美东)
: 丰田水军真能颠倒黑白
: 你说说ford自动加速死了几个?
: 丰田那可是至少死了几千人
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: 难以想象laoselang竟然不要脸到这个地步,肆无忌惮的编造数据,把媒体的计算说成是
: 官方认定的,还莫名其妙来了个只计算5%,瞬间就把死亡数杠杆到几千人

r***i
发帖数: 9780
3
真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
说出来你信么
你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个
f*******s
发帖数: 1100
4
反对鸭力士的人身攻击

【在 T*********s 的大作中提到】
: 婊子老色狼
S***u
发帖数: 1678
5
看来laoselang数据,的确是有根据的。哈哈
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
6
"死亡事故"
用"鸡巴"眼睛好好看看

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

r***i
发帖数: 9780
7
用你自己的瞎窟窿好好看看
while the Los Angeles Times calculated 105 deaths; NHTSA officially set the
number at 5

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: "死亡事故"
: 用"鸡巴"眼睛好好看看

T*********s
发帖数: 20444
8
原来是洛杉矶时报说的,洛杉矶时报应该是婊子媒体

the

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 用你自己的瞎窟窿好好看看
: while the Los Angeles Times calculated 105 deaths; NHTSA officially set the
: number at 5

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
9
对了,San Diego警察的那个事故政府算floor mats的问题
你的豆腐脑认为是自动加速.看来一定是婊子政府欺负自己的雇员
"removal of the mat was difficult because the bottom edge of the accelerator
pedal had melted to the upper right corner of the mat. Further inspection
of the mat revealed that while it was a Lexus brand mat, it was not the "
correct application" for the vehicle"
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/the-scene/cars/Feds-Confirm-Stuck-Ga
而且死了四个人,这你都胡说?

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
10
你说的德州死了四个人的事故,司机本身有癫痫。调查没法排除自动加速,但也没法排
除癫痫发作.
当然了,你的脑子也认定这是板上钉钉的自动加速,联邦政府又是婊子

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

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j****i
发帖数: 68152
11
请不要把rihei很laoselang混为一谈,laoselang还是不错的
u****q
发帖数: 24345
12
一直不懂laoselang整天黑丰田,到底是为了啥?
r***i
发帖数: 9780
13
我日
明明是丰田找借口推脱,明明就是软件导致的自动加速最后车毁人亡
看看丰田的记录就知道
先召回脚垫,结果根本没用,然后又召回油门踏板,还是继续没用
新的投诉源源不断,nhtsa已经又启动调查好几次了
最近一次是去年年底,调查corolla,最后还是不了了之
可是因为nhtsa拿不到证据,所以拿丰田没办法
尼玛,下面105条人命全都是自己作死,误踩了油门,自己有病,丰田没有任何问题?
Dec. 15, 2009 2004 Lexus Rx330
1
Jan. 5, 2009 2007 Toyota Prius
1
Oct. 3, 2008 2008 Toyota Tacoma
1
June 3, 2008 2007 Lexus Es350
2
Oct. 12, 2007 2004 Toyota Sienna
2
Sept. 2, 2006 2004 Toyota Highlander
2
Feb. 11, 2010 2006 Toyota Highlander
1
Jan. 17, 2009 2005 Toyota Avalon
1
June 21, 2002 1997 Toyota Camry
1
July 4, 2009 2007 Toyota Scion Tc
1
Nov. 10, 2004 2002 Toyota Camry
1
Jan. 22, 2010 2002 Toyota Camry
1
Nov. 29, 2007 9999 Toyota Avalon
2
Sept. 9, 2006 2004 Lexus Rx330
1
Dec. 24, 2005 2004 Lexus Rx330
1
Feb. 5, 2000 1995 Toyota Corolla
1
Oct. 31, 2008 2008 Toyota Prius
2
June 22, 2006 2004 Toyota Camry
1
July 9, 2005 2000 Toyota Tundra
1
June 19, 2004 9999 Toyota Camry
1
May 1, 2008 2004 Toyota Camry
1
July 13, 2009 2004 Toyota Corolla
1
June 9, 2009 2002 Toyota Camry Solara
1
Jan. 21, 2005 2004 Toyota Corolla
2
Sept. 6, 2008 2006 Toyota Avalon
1
July 26, 2003 1996 Toyota Camry
1
June 23, 2001 2001 Toyota Avalon
1
Sept. 9, 2009 2009 Toyota Camry
1
May 27, 2001 1999 Toyota Sienna
1
Sept. 26, 2004 1993 Toyota Corolla
1
Nov. 17, 1999 1999 Toyota Avalon
1
Sept. 10, 2009 2008 Toyota Prius
1
Nov. 20, 2009 2008 Toyota Rav4
1
Sept. 16, 2009 2004 Toyota Camry
1
Nov. 7, 2009 2007 Toyota Tundra
1
July 14, 2007 2004 Toyota Avalon
2
Dec. 1, 2006 2000 Toyota Solara
1
Oct. 31, 2008 2005 Toyota Sienna
1
Oct. 16, 2007 2006 Toyota Camry
1
Nov. 10, 2004 2001 Toyota Sequoia
1
Aug. 11, 2009 2007 Toyota Scion Tc
1
March 3, 1992 1992 Toyota 4Runner
1
Jan. 26, 2010 2008 Toyota Tacoma
1
Dec. 26, 2009 2008 Toyota Avalon
4
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1
Nov. 30, 2009 2008 Toyota Highlander
1
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1
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1
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1
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1
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1
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1
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1
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1
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3
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2
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1
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1
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1
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1
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2
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March 2, 1992 1992 Toyota 4Runner
1

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你说的德州死了四个人的事故,司机本身有癫痫。调查没法排除自动加速,但也没法排
: 除癫痫发作.
: 当然了,你的脑子也认定这是板上钉钉的自动加速,联邦政府又是婊子

r***i
发帖数: 9780
14
看看丰田是怎么收买事故车辆,然后掩盖事实的
Toyota bought both vehicles back from their owners -- who had brought them
in complaining about sudden acceleration -- and both owners say Toyota urged
them not to discuss the incidents. The two cases could undercut Toyota's
claims that every case of sudden acceleration can be attributed to driver
error, faulty floor mats or sticky gas pedals.
Norma Deck told ABC News that she experienced two instances of sudden
unintended acceleration with her 2009 Toyota Corolla and brought the car
into the Penske Toyota dealership in Round Rock, Texas. According to the
filing, a Toyota internal document says a Toyota "technician" took Deck's
car out on an inspection drive.
The document states, according to the filing, that after proceeding from a
stoplight, the "tech[nician] started to lightly accelerate" and after
travelling "20-30 feet the vehicle exhibited a slight hesitation and then
began to accelerate on its own." Engine speed "was estimated to have gone
from 1500 rpm to 5500 rpm at the time of the occurrence," according to the
filing.
When contacted by ABC News, Deck said the dealership told her that they were
able to replicate sudden acceleration in the Corolla. She said Toyota
subsequently bought her Corolla back from her, but said she couldn't divulge
more details because Toyota required her to sign both a confidentiality
agreement about the sale and an agreement not to sue Toyota.
In Milpitas, California, the owner of a 2009 Toyota Tacoma brought his truck
into the Piercey Toyota dealership after complaining that the vehicle
accelerated without explanation. According to the court filing, another
Toyota internal document states that in July of 2009 a dealership service
manager took the vehicle on an inspection drive on a nearby freeway.
"As there was no traffic in front of them, the Service Manager removed his
foot from the accelerator [and]moved it completely away from the pedal area,
" the document states, according to the filing, and "[t]he vehicle continued
to accelerate at what felt like [an estimated] 70% throttle input with no
pedal contact from the driver [and] within 300 feet of the initial
acceleration, the vehicle had reached 95 MPH."
The document states, according to the filing, that the floor mats were
securely in place at the time of the incident and no fault codes were
generated by the onboard computer and "[a]s the Service Manager who
experienced the condition above is considered to be trustworthy and reliable
, the vehicle will be repurchased for further investigation."
When reached by ABC News, the owner of the Tacoma confirmed that Toyota had
bought the Tacoma back from him and said the dealer informed him that they
were able to replicate sudden acceleration in the vehicle. The driver, who
asked not to be named, told ABC News that while Toyota did not ask him to
sign a confidentiality agreement they urged him not to talk about the case.
According to California's vehicle Lemon Law, owners cannot be required to
sign confidentiality agreements over vehicles with possible defects.
"The deeper we dig into the facts that surround Toyota, the more damning the
evidence that Toyota was aware of the issue, and failed to act responsibly,
" said Steve Berman, co-lead counsel for plaintiffs in the class action suit
. "Toyota's been publicly blaming drivers, floor mats and pedals for
acceleration defects while quietly removing defective vehicles from the
market."
According to plaintiff's lawyers, who say they have investigated hundreds of
complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyotas, the Corolla and the Tacoma
are the only cases they are aware of where Toyota has re-purchased vehicles
after an alleged case of sudden acceleration.
When asked about the cases by ABC News, Toyota said that it is not unusual
for the company to repurchase vehicles "as part of our commitment to
investigate acceleration concerns." According to Toyota spokesperson Brian
Lyons, owners are not required to sign confidentiality agreements when a
vehicle is bought back, but "they enter into them voluntarily as part of a
mutual settlement agreement."
Lyons confirmed that Toyota had repurchased the Tacoma and Corolla in
question, and said that Toyota engineers have been "driving and evaluating"
the vehicles "thousands of miles and no problems have been found" and "we
continue to drive these vehicles even today." "As well as these vehicles, [
since April Toyota] has evaluated approximately 4,200 vehicles in North
America. Toyota has not found a single case in which the vehicle's
electronic throttle control system would lead to unintended acceleration,"
said Lyons.
Toyota said that it had informed the NHTSA about the cases through the
company's "Field Technical Report process." However, Olivia Alair, a
spokesperson for the Department of Transportation said an investigation
revealed that Toyota did not report the incidents to NHTSA at the time of
the occurrences. Instead, the memos detailing the cases were among hundreds
of thousands of other documents that were submitted to NHTSA earlier this
year after the agency initiated a probe into the sudden acceleration issue
in February. According to Alair, NHTSA is "currently in discussions with
Toyota about these incidents."
i********e
发帖数: 1782
15
托们就象一泡屎,老色狼谈笑间轻松把托们的谎言戳穿,爽啊

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

r***i
发帖数: 9780
16
NHTSA: 89 Deaths Caused by Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles
By Nadeem Muaddi
Posted: May 26, 2010 10:58 a.m.
这是找到的nhtsa自己发布的信息,尼玛,还5个呢
r***i
发帖数: 9780
17
5%那个是看的nhtsa自己网站上的,刚才找了半天,找不到了
你给的数据根本就不是针对丰田的
丰田nhtsa收到6000多个丰田自动加速案例投诉,但是因为人手不够,只调查了其中300
多个
r***i
发帖数: 9780
18
我根本没黑丰田
我只说事实

【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 一直不懂laoselang整天黑丰田,到底是为了啥?
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
19
NHTSA能认定得就5个。其他的,你说了不算,我说了也不算
但是你说NHTSA调查了5%的cases确认了105个死亡,就是不要脸造谣

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 我日
: 明明是丰田找借口推脱,明明就是软件导致的自动加速最后车毁人亡
: 看看丰田的记录就知道
: 先召回脚垫,结果根本没用,然后又召回油门踏板,还是继续没用
: 新的投诉源源不断,nhtsa已经又启动调查好几次了
: 最近一次是去年年底,调查corolla,最后还是不了了之
: 可是因为nhtsa拿不到证据,所以拿丰田没办法
: 尼玛,下面105条人命全都是自己作死,误踩了油门,自己有病,丰田没有任何问题?
: Dec. 15, 2009 2004 Lexus Rx330
: 1

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
20
换个id来不要脸,你这种专门推销自己的嘴里一直骂的“屎”车坑中国人的猥琐老帮菜
还有脸来骂街

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 托们就象一泡屎,老色狼谈笑间轻松把托们的谎言戳穿,爽啊
相关主题
大家还是尽量不要买toyota了吧这个新闻是不是能证明丰田自动加速问题根本没解决
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福特自动加速为修复软件故障,丰田召回超过总销量半数的普瑞斯
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r***i
发帖数: 9780
21
找nhtsa的原话出来
尼玛拿着个丰田洗地的文章出来忽悠人
田托们就这德行,一个造谣,其他跟着引用
nhtsa从来没说过只死了5个
nhtsa发布的report最开始是50多个,然后变89个
这105个是调查的nhtsa数据找出来的,实际更多

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: NHTSA能认定得就5个。其他的,你说了不算,我说了也不算
: 但是你说NHTSA调查了5%的cases确认了105个死亡,就是不要脸造谣

i********e
发帖数: 1782
22
单看CBS的说法,从2000年到2010年,就有89人死与自动加速,这还不一定是这段时间
内的全部,再加上2010到2015年间的,死了一两百不稀奇,托们的5人死亡完全是谎言
,真TMD不要碧莲。
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-unintended-acceleration-has-
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
23
所以说你不仅不要脸,而且蠢,被自己看不起的左逼媒体像狗一样耍
NHTSA说的是"allegedly", 你个翻墙的打开字典看看这个单词什么意思.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration uses the term “allegedly
” in listing the number of deaths possibly related to unintended
acceleration. Yet too many reporters ignore that caveat. Thus, a U.S. News &
World Report blog-post headline proclaimed: “NHTSA: 89 Deaths Caused by
Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles.”
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0809/opinions-toyota-cars-acc
所以建议你没事看看原文,看记者消化过给你总结的,和吃左逼记者的屎没什么区别
NHTSA received a total of seventy-five (75) complaints concerning
fatal incidents that allegedly involve unintended acceleration in Toyota
vehicles since 2000. The reports cover ninety-three (93) fatalities.

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: NHTSA: 89 Deaths Caused by Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles
: By Nadeem Muaddi
: Posted: May 26, 2010 10:58 a.m.
: 这是找到的nhtsa自己发布的信息,尼玛,还5个呢

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
24
随便遍一个东西,别人问起来就“找不到了”
撒谎成本原来这么低。
Table 2: Identification of Likely Toyota UA VOQs
Total VOQs received from 1/1/2000 to 3/5/2010 426,911
UA related VOQs ID'd by key-word search 19,269
VOQs remaining after manual review 11,454
MY1998-MY2010 9,701
Toyota 3,054
NHTSA的报告就在那里,再打你一次脸。
你觉得nhtsa搞这么一个报告会小家子气到只调查5%.真是乞丐觉得皇帝用金碗要饭.

300

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 5%那个是看的nhtsa自己网站上的,刚才找了半天,找不到了
: 你给的数据根本就不是针对丰田的
: 丰田nhtsa收到6000多个丰田自动加速案例投诉,但是因为人手不够,只调查了其中300
: 多个

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
25
你倒是解释一下这句话是怎么翻译出来的
"就有89人死与自动加速"
"The reports include 89 deaths and 57 injuries over the same period."
again平时骂左逼装红脖好像真红脖一样,被左逼当狗耍

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 单看CBS的说法,从2000年到2010年,就有89人死与自动加速,这还不一定是这段时间
: 内的全部,再加上2010到2015年间的,死了一两百不稀奇,托们的5人死亡完全是谎言
: ,真TMD不要碧莲。
: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-unintended-acceleration-has-

T*U
发帖数: 22634
26
floor mat?
智商看来是在floor mat下面

accelerator

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 对了,San Diego警察的那个事故政府算floor mats的问题
: 你的豆腐脑认为是自动加速.看来一定是婊子政府欺负自己的雇员
: "removal of the mat was difficult because the bottom edge of the accelerator
: pedal had melted to the upper right corner of the mat. Further inspection
: of the mat revealed that while it was a Lexus brand mat, it was not the "
: correct application" for the vehicle"
: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/the-scene/cars/Feds-Confirm-Stuck-Ga
: 而且死了四个人,这你都胡说?

i********e
发帖数: 1782
27
你连最起码的逻辑都不懂,还要评论,泥马这89人不是自动加速死的会紧跟在自动加速
那段话后面?

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你倒是解释一下这句话是怎么翻译出来的
: "就有89人死与自动加速"
: "The reports include 89 deaths and 57 injuries over the same period."
: again平时骂左逼装红脖好像真红脖一样,被左逼当狗耍

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
28
最后给那俩左逼媒体的牺牲品看一下,真正探索真相的人是怎么做得
"Now that the dust has begun to settle on Toyota’s recall fiasco, it’s
being made clear that the toll on human life was greater than initially
reported," reports U.S. News & World Report online. The title: "NHTSA: 89
Deaths Caused by Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles."
Not exactly true. Says who? NHTSA. Here's an email I received this morning
from their press office.
Please remember these are customer generated complaints of alleged
unintended acceleration that have not been verified by NHTSA:
"As of May 20, 2010, NHTSA has received complaints covering a total
of seventy-one (71) fatal incidents that allegedly involve
unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles since 2000. These
reports covering incidents dating back to 2000 include eighty-nine
(89) fatalities and fifty-seven (57) injuries."
https://cei.org/blog/sudden-acceleration-media-falsehoods-regarding-toyota
而且最终的官方report是2011年出版的。所以别蠢到问我为什么报道是89我引用是93
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
29
我建议你别嘴硬了,记者春秋笔法玩的就是你这种人
nhtsa从来不认可这个数字,看我的回贴

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 你连最起码的逻辑都不懂,还要评论,泥马这89人不是自动加速死的会紧跟在自动加速
: 那段话后面?

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
30
我相信键盘调查员的智商更在政府调查员之下

【在 T*U 的大作中提到】
: floor mat?
: 智商看来是在floor mat下面
:
: accelerator

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i********e
发帖数: 1782
31
即使这89个死亡里有模棱两可的,真正死于自动加速的人可能是5个吗?真可笑。

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我建议你别嘴硬了,记者春秋笔法玩的就是你这种人
: nhtsa从来不认可这个数字,看我的回贴

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
32
again你说了不算我说了也不算
但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 即使这89个死亡里有模棱两可的,真正死于自动加速的人可能是5个吗?真可笑。
i********e
发帖数: 1782
33
看来你已经承认托们说的只死五人的说法是不对的,有进步,叔截个屏。

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: again你说了不算我说了也不算
: 但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

f*******s
发帖数: 1100
34
老色狼自己承认是丰田黑,这儿又狡辩说没黑丰田

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 我根本没黑丰田
: 我只说事实

r***i
发帖数: 9780
35
尼玛,105个人的数据我都给你贴出来,还在抹黑说造谣
谁在造谣?

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: again你说了不算我说了也不算
: 但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

r***i
发帖数: 9780
36
我从来都没说自己是丰田黑,我一直都说的是
我是在揭露丰田试图掩盖的事实

【在 f*******s 的大作中提到】
: 老色狼自己承认是丰田黑,这儿又狡辩说没黑丰田
m********s
发帖数: 55301
37
问一句阁下您现在开的是哪个品牌的哪款车哪年生产的您啥时候从哪里购买的?
谢谢

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 我从来都没说自己是丰田黑,我一直都说的是
: 我是在揭露丰田试图掩盖的事实

b**a
发帖数: 1009
38
你说你这末为丰田开脱是为了什么?丰田公司的日本鬼子都不敢说只有5人死于自动加速
,你还在这拼命狡辩。你的数据哪里来的?
只有两种可能,第一你是为丰田卖命的,第二你是个傻子。

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: again你说了不算我说了也不算
: 但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
39
日黑阵是不要脸的牛皮膏药
这一百零五个是是你鄙视的左逼媒体数出来的
NHTSA说的是93个"allegedly" cases.
你说NHTSA说死了100多就是造谣,计算死了2000多更是不要脸

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛,105个人的数据我都给你贴出来,还在抹黑说造谣
: 谁在造谣?

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
40
http://www.nhtsa.gov/UA
“In fact, while NHTSA does not have complete information on all of these
incidents, NHTSA believes that only one of the reported instances (and one
unreported fatal incident) is traceable to a vehicle-based cause.”
NHTSA report, page 38.总共认定两个车祸
"Of the incidents reported to NHTSA in its complaint database, NHTSA has
confirmed one fatal incident (the August 2009 crash near San Diego) as
having a vehicle-based cause of unintended acceleration (pedal entrapment).
This incident involved four deaths. (NHTSA has confirmed another incident
involving one fatality that is not in its complaint database but was
believed to be caused by pedal entrapment.)"
NHTSA report, page 40-41. 一个就是San Diego那个,还有一个没有reported的
你如果还算个男人的话,建议你对“nhtsa从来没说过只死了5个,nhtsa发布的report
最开始是50多个,然后变89个这105个是调查的nhtsa数据找出来的,实际更多”道歉

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 找nhtsa的原话出来
: 尼玛拿着个丰田洗地的文章出来忽悠人
: 田托们就这德行,一个造谣,其他跟着引用
: nhtsa从来没说过只死了5个
: nhtsa发布的report最开始是50多个,然后变89个
: 这105个是调查的nhtsa数据找出来的,实际更多

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s*****g
发帖数: 3693
41
胡搅蛮缠的我还可以贴贴数据,你自己去看
这种没干货上来扣帽子的,只能当个屁放了

【在 b**a 的大作中提到】
: 你说你这末为丰田开脱是为了什么?丰田公司的日本鬼子都不敢说只有5人死于自动加速
: ,你还在这拼命狡辩。你的数据哪里来的?
: 只有两种可能,第一你是为丰田卖命的,第二你是个傻子。

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
42
NHTSA说的只能确认五个人的死有关联。
事实情况93个是上限,5个是下限,真正的真相谁也不知道。
toyota自动加速肯定不止死五个,但是laoselang编造NHTSA调查5%的cases就发现一百
多是无耻的造谣。

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 看来你已经承认托们说的只死五人的说法是不对的,有进步,叔截个屏。
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
43
天天骂着“左逼”,笑话美国老百姓被媒体洗脑,却被媒体溜得团团转,嚼着记者的二
手或者不知哪路牛鬼蛇神的三手消息还以为自己掌握了真相,却没想到花一丁点时间看
一下原始材料。
两个字:呵呵
r***i
发帖数: 9780
44
尼玛
nhtsa的report又不是一个
你个的这几个只是拿来举例子,100%确定的是这几个
还有不能100%确定的,当然要用疑似,可能字句
否则你家主子丰田就要跳脚了
我前面贴的,丰田怎么收买人的文章你看了么
我说几千个绝对是只多不少,因为大部分证据都被你主子丰田收买销毁了
而且真正能够验证自动加速的恰恰是你主子,丫的不要碧莲不承认,谁都拿它没办法

.

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nhtsa.gov/UA
: “In fact, while NHTSA does not have complete information on all of these
: incidents, NHTSA believes that only one of the reported instances (and one
: unreported fatal incident) is traceable to a vehicle-based cause.”
: NHTSA report, page 38.总共认定两个车祸
: "Of the incidents reported to NHTSA in its complaint database, NHTSA has
: confirmed one fatal incident (the August 2009 crash near San Diego) as
: having a vehicle-based cause of unintended acceleration (pedal entrapment).
: This incident involved four deaths. (NHTSA has confirmed another incident
: involving one fatality that is not in its complaint database but was

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
45
果然,最后只有laoselang掌握真理

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛
: nhtsa的report又不是一个
: 你个的这几个只是拿来举例子,100%确定的是这几个
: 还有不能100%确定的,当然要用疑似,可能字句
: 否则你家主子丰田就要跳脚了
: 我前面贴的,丰田怎么收买人的文章你看了么
: 我说几千个绝对是只多不少,因为大部分证据都被你主子丰田收买销毁了
: 而且真正能够验证自动加速的恰恰是你主子,丫的不要碧莲不承认,谁都拿它没办法
:
: .

r***i
发帖数: 9780
46
你个不要脸的一上来就抹黑我说我造谣
信誓旦旦说只有5个
最后尼玛又改成93个上限
乘以20不一样接近2k个
93和105个有何差异?更不用说105个确凿的列表我都给你列出来了

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 果然,最后只有laoselang掌握真理
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
47
呵呵

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 你个不要脸的一上来就抹黑我说我造谣
: 信誓旦旦说只有5个
: 最后尼玛又改成93个上限
: 乘以20不一样接近2k个
: 93和105个有何差异?更不用说105个确凿的列表我都给你列出来了

Z*****o
发帖数: 4090
48
老色狼怎么换了个马甲?难道laoselang被自己的狗屎毒死了?
I******I
发帖数: 14241
49
laoselang的前任马甲是taigong,是被人暴力轮奸致死的。
laoselang看起来是憋了一口气被气死了。

【在 Z*****o 的大作中提到】
: 老色狼怎么换了个马甲?难道laoselang被自己的狗屎毒死了?
e**n
发帖数: 5876
50
"5%那个是看的nhtsa自己网站上的,刚才找了半天,找不到了"
你不是自己都承认"5%" 是找(瞎)不(编)到(的)了嘛? 为什么还要"乘以20"?

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 你个不要脸的一上来就抹黑我说我造谣
: 信誓旦旦说只有5个
: 最后尼玛又改成93个上限
: 乘以20不一样接近2k个
: 93和105个有何差异?更不用说105个确凿的列表我都给你列出来了

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最新报道:丰田故意隐瞒车的缺陷福特自动加速
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e**n
发帖数: 5876
51
呵呵
j*****t
发帖数: 2225
52

rihei就是laoselang啊.这都没看出来?

【在 j****i 的大作中提到】
: 请不要把rihei很laoselang混为一谈,laoselang还是不错的
t********i
发帖数: 7856
53
尼玛,谁轮奸taigong了?丫自杀的好不好?

【在 I******I 的大作中提到】
: laoselang的前任马甲是taigong,是被人暴力轮奸致死的。
: laoselang看起来是憋了一口气被气死了。

B*Z
发帖数: 7062
54
你们这样玩色狼都没问题,taigong为什么 要自杀?不是一个人吧。

【在 t********i 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛,谁轮奸taigong了?丫自杀的好不好?
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
55
laoselang号称丰田自动加速造成几千人死亡
发信人: rihei (嘿嘿), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Re: 自动加速问题最严重的是福特
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 5 17:52:28 2015, 美东)
丰田水军真能颠倒黑白
你说说ford自动加速死了几个?
丰田那可是至少死了几千人
------------------------------------------------------------------------
难以想象laoselang竟然不要脸到这个地步,肆无忌惮的编造数据,把媒体的计算说成是
官方认定的,还莫名其妙来了个只计算5%,瞬间就把死亡数杠杆到几千人
105个死亡事故是LA Times计算的,而且是统计了所有的cases
http://projects.latimes.com/toyota/
NHTSA只认定了5个死亡事故
"while the Los Angeles Times calculated 105 deaths; NHTSA officially set the
number at 5"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/chi-total-r
同时NHTSA review了所有的3000个reports,而不是像laoselang幻想的一样只review了
5%的
cases
This process revealed approximately 9,700 UA-Related Complaints for all
model years (MY) 1998-2010 vehicles, of which approximately 3,000 were
Toyota vehicles.This body of complaints underwent further review that will
be discussed in later sections. The review included targeted follow-up
interviews of the complainants, cross-checking against other
data sets, and decisions as to the appropriate category for each complaint.
"Technical Assessment of Toyota Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Systems"
NHTSA
"我说几千人是有依据的",依据就是laoselang的嘴

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 你个不要脸的一上来就抹黑我说我造谣
: 信誓旦旦说只有5个
: 最后尼玛又改成93个上限
: 乘以20不一样接近2k个
: 93和105个有何差异?更不用说105个确凿的列表我都给你列出来了

T*********s
发帖数: 20444
56
婊子老色狼

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: laoselang号称丰田自动加速造成几千人死亡
: 发信人: rihei (嘿嘿), 信区: Automobile
: 标 题: Re: 自动加速问题最严重的是福特
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 5 17:52:28 2015, 美东)
: 丰田水军真能颠倒黑白
: 你说说ford自动加速死了几个?
: 丰田那可是至少死了几千人
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: 难以想象laoselang竟然不要脸到这个地步,肆无忌惮的编造数据,把媒体的计算说成是
: 官方认定的,还莫名其妙来了个只计算5%,瞬间就把死亡数杠杆到几千人

r***i
发帖数: 9780
57
真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
说出来你信么
你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个
f*******s
发帖数: 1100
58
反对鸭力士的人身攻击

【在 T*********s 的大作中提到】
: 婊子老色狼
S***u
发帖数: 1678
59
看来laoselang数据,的确是有根据的。哈哈
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
60
"死亡事故"
用"鸡巴"眼睛好好看看

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

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r***i
发帖数: 9780
61
用你自己的瞎窟窿好好看看
while the Los Angeles Times calculated 105 deaths; NHTSA officially set the
number at 5

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: "死亡事故"
: 用"鸡巴"眼睛好好看看

T*********s
发帖数: 20444
62
原来是洛杉矶时报说的,洛杉矶时报应该是婊子媒体

the

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 用你自己的瞎窟窿好好看看
: while the Los Angeles Times calculated 105 deaths; NHTSA officially set the
: number at 5

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
63
对了,San Diego警察的那个事故政府算floor mats的问题
你的豆腐脑认为是自动加速.看来一定是婊子政府欺负自己的雇员
"removal of the mat was difficult because the bottom edge of the accelerator
pedal had melted to the upper right corner of the mat. Further inspection
of the mat revealed that while it was a Lexus brand mat, it was not the "
correct application" for the vehicle"
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/the-scene/cars/Feds-Confirm-Stuck-Ga
而且死了四个人,这你都胡说?

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
64
你说的德州死了四个人的事故,司机本身有癫痫。调查没法排除自动加速,但也没法排
除癫痫发作.
当然了,你的脑子也认定这是板上钉钉的自动加速,联邦政府又是婊子

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

j****i
发帖数: 68152
65
请不要把rihei很laoselang混为一谈,laoselang还是不错的
u****q
发帖数: 24345
66
一直不懂laoselang整天黑丰田,到底是为了啥?
r***i
发帖数: 9780
67
我日
明明是丰田找借口推脱,明明就是软件导致的自动加速最后车毁人亡
看看丰田的记录就知道
先召回脚垫,结果根本没用,然后又召回油门踏板,还是继续没用
新的投诉源源不断,nhtsa已经又启动调查好几次了
最近一次是去年年底,调查corolla,最后还是不了了之
可是因为nhtsa拿不到证据,所以拿丰田没办法
尼玛,下面105条人命全都是自己作死,误踩了油门,自己有病,丰田没有任何问题?
Dec. 15, 2009 2004 Lexus Rx330
1
Jan. 5, 2009 2007 Toyota Prius
1
Oct. 3, 2008 2008 Toyota Tacoma
1
June 3, 2008 2007 Lexus Es350
2
Oct. 12, 2007 2004 Toyota Sienna
2
Sept. 2, 2006 2004 Toyota Highlander
2
Feb. 11, 2010 2006 Toyota Highlander
1
Jan. 17, 2009 2005 Toyota Avalon
1
June 21, 2002 1997 Toyota Camry
1
July 4, 2009 2007 Toyota Scion Tc
1
Nov. 10, 2004 2002 Toyota Camry
1
Jan. 22, 2010 2002 Toyota Camry
1
Nov. 29, 2007 9999 Toyota Avalon
2
Sept. 9, 2006 2004 Lexus Rx330
1
Dec. 24, 2005 2004 Lexus Rx330
1
Feb. 5, 2000 1995 Toyota Corolla
1
Oct. 31, 2008 2008 Toyota Prius
2
June 22, 2006 2004 Toyota Camry
1
July 9, 2005 2000 Toyota Tundra
1
June 19, 2004 9999 Toyota Camry
1
May 1, 2008 2004 Toyota Camry
1
July 13, 2009 2004 Toyota Corolla
1
June 9, 2009 2002 Toyota Camry Solara
1
Jan. 21, 2005 2004 Toyota Corolla
2
Sept. 6, 2008 2006 Toyota Avalon
1
July 26, 2003 1996 Toyota Camry
1
June 23, 2001 2001 Toyota Avalon
1
Sept. 9, 2009 2009 Toyota Camry
1
May 27, 2001 1999 Toyota Sienna
1
Sept. 26, 2004 1993 Toyota Corolla
1
Nov. 17, 1999 1999 Toyota Avalon
1
Sept. 10, 2009 2008 Toyota Prius
1
Nov. 20, 2009 2008 Toyota Rav4
1
Sept. 16, 2009 2004 Toyota Camry
1
Nov. 7, 2009 2007 Toyota Tundra
1
July 14, 2007 2004 Toyota Avalon
2
Dec. 1, 2006 2000 Toyota Solara
1
Oct. 31, 2008 2005 Toyota Sienna
1
Oct. 16, 2007 2006 Toyota Camry
1
Nov. 10, 2004 2001 Toyota Sequoia
1
Aug. 11, 2009 2007 Toyota Scion Tc
1
March 3, 1992 1992 Toyota 4Runner
1
Jan. 26, 2010 2008 Toyota Tacoma
1
Dec. 26, 2009 2008 Toyota Avalon
4
Dec. 18, 2009 2009 Toyota Corolla
1
Nov. 30, 2009 2008 Toyota Highlander
1
Nov. 27, 2009 2010 Toyota Camry
1
Nov. 6, 2009 2007 Lexus ES350
1
Oct. 22, 2009 2005 Toyota Prius
1
Oct. 13, 2009 2005 Toyota Highlander
4
Sept. 28, 2009 2004 Toyota Solara
1
Aug. 28, 2009 2006 Toyota Camry
1
Aug. 28, 2009 2009 Lexus ES350
4
Aug. 21, 2009 1996 Toyota Avalon
1
Aug. 11, 2009 2007 Toyota Scion TC
1
Aug. 4, 2009 2005 Toyota Camry
1
May 27, 2009 2007 Toyota Camry
1
April 10, 2009 2006 Lexus IS250
1
March 9, 2009 2009 Toyota Corolla
1
March 1, 2009 2005 Toyota Camry
2
Feb. 24, 2009 2009 Toyota Camry
2
Dec. 15, 2008 2004 Lexus RX330
1
Sept. 12, 2008 2007 Toyota Camry
1
Aug. 26, 2008 2006 Lexus ES330
1
April 19, 2008 2005 Toyota Camry
1
April 12, 2008 2007 Toyota Camry LE
1
Feb. 20, 2008 2007 Toyota Tundra
1
Oct. 26, 2007 2007 Toyota Yaris
1
Sept. 20, 2007 2005 Toyota Camry
1
Aug. 11, 2007 2007 Toyota Sienna
1
June 26, 2007 2007 Toyota Camry
1
April 9, 2007 2001 Toyota Avalon
1
Feb. 25, 2007 2005 Toyota Camry
1
Feb. 12, 2007 1997 Toyota Avalon
1
June 10, 2006 1996 Toyota Camry
3
June 5, 2005 2005 Toyota Camry
2
May 14, 2004 2002 Toyota Camry
1
March 16, 2004 2003 Toyota Camry
1
March 15, 2004 2003 Toyota Camry
1
March 14, 2004 2004 Toyota Camry
1
Jan. 22, 2004 2002 Toyota Camry
2
Sept. 4, 2003 2002 Toyota Camry
1
March 2, 1992 1992 Toyota 4Runner
1

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你说的德州死了四个人的事故,司机本身有癫痫。调查没法排除自动加速,但也没法排
: 除癫痫发作.
: 当然了,你的脑子也认定这是板上钉钉的自动加速,联邦政府又是婊子

r***i
发帖数: 9780
68
看看丰田是怎么收买事故车辆,然后掩盖事实的
Toyota bought both vehicles back from their owners -- who had brought them
in complaining about sudden acceleration -- and both owners say Toyota urged
them not to discuss the incidents. The two cases could undercut Toyota's
claims that every case of sudden acceleration can be attributed to driver
error, faulty floor mats or sticky gas pedals.
Norma Deck told ABC News that she experienced two instances of sudden
unintended acceleration with her 2009 Toyota Corolla and brought the car
into the Penske Toyota dealership in Round Rock, Texas. According to the
filing, a Toyota internal document says a Toyota "technician" took Deck's
car out on an inspection drive.
The document states, according to the filing, that after proceeding from a
stoplight, the "tech[nician] started to lightly accelerate" and after
travelling "20-30 feet the vehicle exhibited a slight hesitation and then
began to accelerate on its own." Engine speed "was estimated to have gone
from 1500 rpm to 5500 rpm at the time of the occurrence," according to the
filing.
When contacted by ABC News, Deck said the dealership told her that they were
able to replicate sudden acceleration in the Corolla. She said Toyota
subsequently bought her Corolla back from her, but said she couldn't divulge
more details because Toyota required her to sign both a confidentiality
agreement about the sale and an agreement not to sue Toyota.
In Milpitas, California, the owner of a 2009 Toyota Tacoma brought his truck
into the Piercey Toyota dealership after complaining that the vehicle
accelerated without explanation. According to the court filing, another
Toyota internal document states that in July of 2009 a dealership service
manager took the vehicle on an inspection drive on a nearby freeway.
"As there was no traffic in front of them, the Service Manager removed his
foot from the accelerator [and]moved it completely away from the pedal area,
" the document states, according to the filing, and "[t]he vehicle continued
to accelerate at what felt like [an estimated] 70% throttle input with no
pedal contact from the driver [and] within 300 feet of the initial
acceleration, the vehicle had reached 95 MPH."
The document states, according to the filing, that the floor mats were
securely in place at the time of the incident and no fault codes were
generated by the onboard computer and "[a]s the Service Manager who
experienced the condition above is considered to be trustworthy and reliable
, the vehicle will be repurchased for further investigation."
When reached by ABC News, the owner of the Tacoma confirmed that Toyota had
bought the Tacoma back from him and said the dealer informed him that they
were able to replicate sudden acceleration in the vehicle. The driver, who
asked not to be named, told ABC News that while Toyota did not ask him to
sign a confidentiality agreement they urged him not to talk about the case.
According to California's vehicle Lemon Law, owners cannot be required to
sign confidentiality agreements over vehicles with possible defects.
"The deeper we dig into the facts that surround Toyota, the more damning the
evidence that Toyota was aware of the issue, and failed to act responsibly,
" said Steve Berman, co-lead counsel for plaintiffs in the class action suit
. "Toyota's been publicly blaming drivers, floor mats and pedals for
acceleration defects while quietly removing defective vehicles from the
market."
According to plaintiff's lawyers, who say they have investigated hundreds of
complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyotas, the Corolla and the Tacoma
are the only cases they are aware of where Toyota has re-purchased vehicles
after an alleged case of sudden acceleration.
When asked about the cases by ABC News, Toyota said that it is not unusual
for the company to repurchase vehicles "as part of our commitment to
investigate acceleration concerns." According to Toyota spokesperson Brian
Lyons, owners are not required to sign confidentiality agreements when a
vehicle is bought back, but "they enter into them voluntarily as part of a
mutual settlement agreement."
Lyons confirmed that Toyota had repurchased the Tacoma and Corolla in
question, and said that Toyota engineers have been "driving and evaluating"
the vehicles "thousands of miles and no problems have been found" and "we
continue to drive these vehicles even today." "As well as these vehicles, [
since April Toyota] has evaluated approximately 4,200 vehicles in North
America. Toyota has not found a single case in which the vehicle's
electronic throttle control system would lead to unintended acceleration,"
said Lyons.
Toyota said that it had informed the NHTSA about the cases through the
company's "Field Technical Report process." However, Olivia Alair, a
spokesperson for the Department of Transportation said an investigation
revealed that Toyota did not report the incidents to NHTSA at the time of
the occurrences. Instead, the memos detailing the cases were among hundreds
of thousands of other documents that were submitted to NHTSA earlier this
year after the agency initiated a probe into the sudden acceleration issue
in February. According to Alair, NHTSA is "currently in discussions with
Toyota about these incidents."
i********e
发帖数: 1782
69
托们就象一泡屎,老色狼谈笑间轻松把托们的谎言戳穿,爽啊

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 真鸡巴搞笑,圣迭戈警察三人,德州一家四口就7个人了,一共才5个?
: 说出来你信么
: 你再去数数有多少sue toyota的,绝对几千个

r***i
发帖数: 9780
70
NHTSA: 89 Deaths Caused by Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles
By Nadeem Muaddi
Posted: May 26, 2010 10:58 a.m.
这是找到的nhtsa自己发布的信息,尼玛,还5个呢
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进入Automobile版参与讨论
r***i
发帖数: 9780
71
5%那个是看的nhtsa自己网站上的,刚才找了半天,找不到了
你给的数据根本就不是针对丰田的
丰田nhtsa收到6000多个丰田自动加速案例投诉,但是因为人手不够,只调查了其中300
多个
r***i
发帖数: 9780
72
我根本没黑丰田
我只说事实

【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 一直不懂laoselang整天黑丰田,到底是为了啥?
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
73
NHTSA能认定得就5个。其他的,你说了不算,我说了也不算
但是你说NHTSA调查了5%的cases确认了105个死亡,就是不要脸造谣

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 我日
: 明明是丰田找借口推脱,明明就是软件导致的自动加速最后车毁人亡
: 看看丰田的记录就知道
: 先召回脚垫,结果根本没用,然后又召回油门踏板,还是继续没用
: 新的投诉源源不断,nhtsa已经又启动调查好几次了
: 最近一次是去年年底,调查corolla,最后还是不了了之
: 可是因为nhtsa拿不到证据,所以拿丰田没办法
: 尼玛,下面105条人命全都是自己作死,误踩了油门,自己有病,丰田没有任何问题?
: Dec. 15, 2009 2004 Lexus Rx330
: 1

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
74
换个id来不要脸,你这种专门推销自己的嘴里一直骂的“屎”车坑中国人的猥琐老帮菜
还有脸来骂街

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 托们就象一泡屎,老色狼谈笑间轻松把托们的谎言戳穿,爽啊
r***i
发帖数: 9780
75
找nhtsa的原话出来
尼玛拿着个丰田洗地的文章出来忽悠人
田托们就这德行,一个造谣,其他跟着引用
nhtsa从来没说过只死了5个
nhtsa发布的report最开始是50多个,然后变89个
这105个是调查的nhtsa数据找出来的,实际更多

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: NHTSA能认定得就5个。其他的,你说了不算,我说了也不算
: 但是你说NHTSA调查了5%的cases确认了105个死亡,就是不要脸造谣

i********e
发帖数: 1782
76
单看CBS的说法,从2000年到2010年,就有89人死与自动加速,这还不一定是这段时间
内的全部,再加上2010到2015年间的,死了一两百不稀奇,托们的5人死亡完全是谎言
,真TMD不要碧莲。
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-unintended-acceleration-has-
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
77
所以说你不仅不要脸,而且蠢,被自己看不起的左逼媒体像狗一样耍
NHTSA说的是"allegedly", 你个翻墙的打开字典看看这个单词什么意思.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration uses the term “allegedly
” in listing the number of deaths possibly related to unintended
acceleration. Yet too many reporters ignore that caveat. Thus, a U.S. News &
World Report blog-post headline proclaimed: “NHTSA: 89 Deaths Caused by
Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles.”
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0809/opinions-toyota-cars-acc
所以建议你没事看看原文,看记者消化过给你总结的,和吃左逼记者的屎没什么区别
NHTSA received a total of seventy-five (75) complaints concerning
fatal incidents that allegedly involve unintended acceleration in Toyota
vehicles since 2000. The reports cover ninety-three (93) fatalities.

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: NHTSA: 89 Deaths Caused by Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles
: By Nadeem Muaddi
: Posted: May 26, 2010 10:58 a.m.
: 这是找到的nhtsa自己发布的信息,尼玛,还5个呢

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
78
随便遍一个东西,别人问起来就“找不到了”
撒谎成本原来这么低。
Table 2: Identification of Likely Toyota UA VOQs
Total VOQs received from 1/1/2000 to 3/5/2010 426,911
UA related VOQs ID'd by key-word search 19,269
VOQs remaining after manual review 11,454
MY1998-MY2010 9,701
Toyota 3,054
NHTSA的报告就在那里,再打你一次脸。
你觉得nhtsa搞这么一个报告会小家子气到只调查5%.真是乞丐觉得皇帝用金碗要饭.

300

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 5%那个是看的nhtsa自己网站上的,刚才找了半天,找不到了
: 你给的数据根本就不是针对丰田的
: 丰田nhtsa收到6000多个丰田自动加速案例投诉,但是因为人手不够,只调查了其中300
: 多个

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
79
你倒是解释一下这句话是怎么翻译出来的
"就有89人死与自动加速"
"The reports include 89 deaths and 57 injuries over the same period."
again平时骂左逼装红脖好像真红脖一样,被左逼当狗耍

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 单看CBS的说法,从2000年到2010年,就有89人死与自动加速,这还不一定是这段时间
: 内的全部,再加上2010到2015年间的,死了一两百不稀奇,托们的5人死亡完全是谎言
: ,真TMD不要碧莲。
: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-unintended-acceleration-has-

T*U
发帖数: 22634
80
floor mat?
智商看来是在floor mat下面

accelerator

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 对了,San Diego警察的那个事故政府算floor mats的问题
: 你的豆腐脑认为是自动加速.看来一定是婊子政府欺负自己的雇员
: "removal of the mat was difficult because the bottom edge of the accelerator
: pedal had melted to the upper right corner of the mat. Further inspection
: of the mat revealed that while it was a Lexus brand mat, it was not the "
: correct application" for the vehicle"
: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/the-scene/cars/Feds-Confirm-Stuck-Ga
: 而且死了四个人,这你都胡说?

相关主题
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丰田又自动加速了,精彩视频不容错过!美国政府开始对丰田汽车突然加速问题展开调查。。。
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i********e
发帖数: 1782
81
你连最起码的逻辑都不懂,还要评论,泥马这89人不是自动加速死的会紧跟在自动加速
那段话后面?

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你倒是解释一下这句话是怎么翻译出来的
: "就有89人死与自动加速"
: "The reports include 89 deaths and 57 injuries over the same period."
: again平时骂左逼装红脖好像真红脖一样,被左逼当狗耍

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
82
最后给那俩左逼媒体的牺牲品看一下,真正探索真相的人是怎么做得
"Now that the dust has begun to settle on Toyota’s recall fiasco, it’s
being made clear that the toll on human life was greater than initially
reported," reports U.S. News & World Report online. The title: "NHTSA: 89
Deaths Caused by Unintended Acceleration in Toyota Vehicles."
Not exactly true. Says who? NHTSA. Here's an email I received this morning
from their press office.
Please remember these are customer generated complaints of alleged
unintended acceleration that have not been verified by NHTSA:
"As of May 20, 2010, NHTSA has received complaints covering a total
of seventy-one (71) fatal incidents that allegedly involve
unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles since 2000. These
reports covering incidents dating back to 2000 include eighty-nine
(89) fatalities and fifty-seven (57) injuries."
https://cei.org/blog/sudden-acceleration-media-falsehoods-regarding-toyota
而且最终的官方report是2011年出版的。所以别蠢到问我为什么报道是89我引用是93
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
83
我建议你别嘴硬了,记者春秋笔法玩的就是你这种人
nhtsa从来不认可这个数字,看我的回贴

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 你连最起码的逻辑都不懂,还要评论,泥马这89人不是自动加速死的会紧跟在自动加速
: 那段话后面?

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
84
我相信键盘调查员的智商更在政府调查员之下

【在 T*U 的大作中提到】
: floor mat?
: 智商看来是在floor mat下面
:
: accelerator

i********e
发帖数: 1782
85
即使这89个死亡里有模棱两可的,真正死于自动加速的人可能是5个吗?真可笑。

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我建议你别嘴硬了,记者春秋笔法玩的就是你这种人
: nhtsa从来不认可这个数字,看我的回贴

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
86
again你说了不算我说了也不算
但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 即使这89个死亡里有模棱两可的,真正死于自动加速的人可能是5个吗?真可笑。
i********e
发帖数: 1782
87
看来你已经承认托们说的只死五人的说法是不对的,有进步,叔截个屏。

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: again你说了不算我说了也不算
: 但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

f*******s
发帖数: 1100
88
老色狼自己承认是丰田黑,这儿又狡辩说没黑丰田

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 我根本没黑丰田
: 我只说事实

r***i
发帖数: 9780
89
尼玛,105个人的数据我都给你贴出来,还在抹黑说造谣
谁在造谣?

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: again你说了不算我说了也不算
: 但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

r***i
发帖数: 9780
90
我从来都没说自己是丰田黑,我一直都说的是
我是在揭露丰田试图掩盖的事实

【在 f*******s 的大作中提到】
: 老色狼自己承认是丰田黑,这儿又狡辩说没黑丰田
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这个新闻是不是能证明丰田自动加速问题根本没解决VW 大众的车不能买, 丰田是被黑了
Chrysler Town&Country OR Toyota Sienna?丰田车祸,该怎么办?
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m********s
发帖数: 55301
91
问一句阁下您现在开的是哪个品牌的哪款车哪年生产的您啥时候从哪里购买的?
谢谢

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 我从来都没说自己是丰田黑,我一直都说的是
: 我是在揭露丰田试图掩盖的事实

b**a
发帖数: 1009
92
你说你这末为丰田开脱是为了什么?丰田公司的日本鬼子都不敢说只有5人死于自动加速
,你还在这拼命狡辩。你的数据哪里来的?
只有两种可能,第一你是为丰田卖命的,第二你是个傻子。

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: again你说了不算我说了也不算
: 但laoselang说nhtsa说死了100多就是造谣,还用5%推算死了2000多更是彻底的编造

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
93
日黑阵是不要脸的牛皮膏药
这一百零五个是是你鄙视的左逼媒体数出来的
NHTSA说的是93个"allegedly" cases.
你说NHTSA说死了100多就是造谣,计算死了2000多更是不要脸

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛,105个人的数据我都给你贴出来,还在抹黑说造谣
: 谁在造谣?

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
94
http://www.nhtsa.gov/UA
“In fact, while NHTSA does not have complete information on all of these
incidents, NHTSA believes that only one of the reported instances (and one
unreported fatal incident) is traceable to a vehicle-based cause.”
NHTSA report, page 38.总共认定两个车祸
"Of the incidents reported to NHTSA in its complaint database, NHTSA has
confirmed one fatal incident (the August 2009 crash near San Diego) as
having a vehicle-based cause of unintended acceleration (pedal entrapment).
This incident involved four deaths. (NHTSA has confirmed another incident
involving one fatality that is not in its complaint database but was
believed to be caused by pedal entrapment.)"
NHTSA report, page 40-41. 一个就是San Diego那个,还有一个没有reported的
你如果还算个男人的话,建议你对“nhtsa从来没说过只死了5个,nhtsa发布的report
最开始是50多个,然后变89个这105个是调查的nhtsa数据找出来的,实际更多”道歉

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 找nhtsa的原话出来
: 尼玛拿着个丰田洗地的文章出来忽悠人
: 田托们就这德行,一个造谣,其他跟着引用
: nhtsa从来没说过只死了5个
: nhtsa发布的report最开始是50多个,然后变89个
: 这105个是调查的nhtsa数据找出来的,实际更多

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
95
胡搅蛮缠的我还可以贴贴数据,你自己去看
这种没干货上来扣帽子的,只能当个屁放了

【在 b**a 的大作中提到】
: 你说你这末为丰田开脱是为了什么?丰田公司的日本鬼子都不敢说只有5人死于自动加速
: ,你还在这拼命狡辩。你的数据哪里来的?
: 只有两种可能,第一你是为丰田卖命的,第二你是个傻子。

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
96
NHTSA说的只能确认五个人的死有关联。
事实情况93个是上限,5个是下限,真正的真相谁也不知道。
toyota自动加速肯定不止死五个,但是laoselang编造NHTSA调查5%的cases就发现一百
多是无耻的造谣。

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 看来你已经承认托们说的只死五人的说法是不对的,有进步,叔截个屏。
s*****g
发帖数: 3693
97
天天骂着“左逼”,笑话美国老百姓被媒体洗脑,却被媒体溜得团团转,嚼着记者的二
手或者不知哪路牛鬼蛇神的三手消息还以为自己掌握了真相,却没想到花一丁点时间看
一下原始材料。
两个字:呵呵
r***i
发帖数: 9780
98
尼玛
nhtsa的report又不是一个
你提到的这几个只是拿来举例子,100%确定的是这几个
还有不能100%确定的,当然要用疑似,可能字句
否则你家主子丰田就要跳脚了
我前面贴的,丰田怎么收买人的文章你看了么
我说几千个绝对是只少不多,因为大部分证据都被你主子丰田收买销毁了
而且真正能够验证自动加速的恰恰是你主子,丫的不要碧莲不承认,谁都拿它没办法

.

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nhtsa.gov/UA
: “In fact, while NHTSA does not have complete information on all of these
: incidents, NHTSA believes that only one of the reported instances (and one
: unreported fatal incident) is traceable to a vehicle-based cause.”
: NHTSA report, page 38.总共认定两个车祸
: "Of the incidents reported to NHTSA in its complaint database, NHTSA has
: confirmed one fatal incident (the August 2009 crash near San Diego) as
: having a vehicle-based cause of unintended acceleration (pedal entrapment).
: This incident involved four deaths. (NHTSA has confirmed another incident
: involving one fatality that is not in its complaint database but was

s*****g
发帖数: 3693
99
果然,最后只有laoselang掌握真理

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛
: nhtsa的report又不是一个
: 你提到的这几个只是拿来举例子,100%确定的是这几个
: 还有不能100%确定的,当然要用疑似,可能字句
: 否则你家主子丰田就要跳脚了
: 我前面贴的,丰田怎么收买人的文章你看了么
: 我说几千个绝对是只少不多,因为大部分证据都被你主子丰田收买销毁了
: 而且真正能够验证自动加速的恰恰是你主子,丫的不要碧莲不承认,谁都拿它没办法
:
: .

r***i
发帖数: 9780
100
你个不要脸的一上来就抹黑我说我造谣
信誓旦旦说只有5个
最后尼玛又改成93个上限
乘以20不一样接近2k个
93和105个有何差异?更不用说105个确凿的列表我都给你列出来了

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 果然,最后只有laoselang掌握真理
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s*****g
发帖数: 3693
101
呵呵

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 你个不要脸的一上来就抹黑我说我造谣
: 信誓旦旦说只有5个
: 最后尼玛又改成93个上限
: 乘以20不一样接近2k个
: 93和105个有何差异?更不用说105个确凿的列表我都给你列出来了

Z*****o
发帖数: 4090
102
老色狼怎么换了个马甲?难道laoselang被自己的狗屎毒死了?
I******I
发帖数: 14241
103
laoselang的前任马甲是taigong,是被人暴力轮奸致死的。
laoselang看起来是憋了一口气被气死了。

【在 Z*****o 的大作中提到】
: 老色狼怎么换了个马甲?难道laoselang被自己的狗屎毒死了?
e**n
发帖数: 5876
104
"5%那个是看的nhtsa自己网站上的,刚才找了半天,找不到了"
你不是自己都承认"5%" 是找(瞎)不(编)到(的)了嘛? 为什么还要"乘以20"?

【在 r***i 的大作中提到】
: 你个不要脸的一上来就抹黑我说我造谣
: 信誓旦旦说只有5个
: 最后尼玛又改成93个上限
: 乘以20不一样接近2k个
: 93和105个有何差异?更不用说105个确凿的列表我都给你列出来了

e**n
发帖数: 5876
105
呵呵
j*****t
发帖数: 2225
106

rihei就是laoselang啊.这都没看出来?

【在 j****i 的大作中提到】
: 请不要把rihei很laoselang混为一谈,laoselang还是不错的
t********i
发帖数: 7856
107
尼玛,谁轮奸taigong了?丫自杀的好不好?

【在 I******I 的大作中提到】
: laoselang的前任马甲是taigong,是被人暴力轮奸致死的。
: laoselang看起来是憋了一口气被气死了。

B*Z
发帖数: 7062
108
你们这样玩色狼都没问题,taigong为什么 要自杀?不是一个人吧。

【在 t********i 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛,谁轮奸taigong了?丫自杀的好不好?
e**n
发帖数: 5876
109
持续曝光

【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: laoselang号称丰田自动加速造成几千人死亡
: 发信人: rihei (嘿嘿), 信区: Automobile
: 标 题: Re: 自动加速问题最严重的是福特
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 5 17:52:28 2015, 美东)
: 丰田水军真能颠倒黑白
: 你说说ford自动加速死了几个?
: 丰田那可是至少死了几千人
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: 难以想象laoselang竟然不要脸到这个地步,肆无忌惮的编造数据,把媒体的计算说成是
: 官方认定的,还莫名其妙来了个只计算5%,瞬间就把死亡数杠杆到几千人

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