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Automobile版 - dealer的真正本钱
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s**p
发帖数: 4
1
How to Figure Out a Dealer's True Cost
Despite what you may have read on other sites, there is no way to know for
sure what a dealer's true cost is for each vehicle they sell.
There are simply too many hidden variables involved. For example, the dealer
's financing cost increases by a small amount each day a car goes unsold.
You would need to find out how many days that car has been sitting on the
lot, in addition to knowing some other hidden costs and possible kick-backs
they receive from the manufacturer. It's nearly impossible.
The good news, however, is that we can get a very good idea of a dealer's
true cost - it simply involves 3 things: Invoice price, Holdback, and
Factory-to-dealer incentives.
Invoice Price
The dealer invoice price is what the dealer actually pays to the
manufacturer for the vehicle. This is not the dealer's true cost - there are
many factors that lower their cost, sometimes by several thousand dollars
below invoice price.
Invoice prices for each vehicle model, trim level, and options are easily
found on all the major car buying sites - however, I've noticed that not all
sites display the same information. These numbers can sometimes be off by
several hundred dollars due to small regional variations and price changes
throughout the year.
In order to know the real invoice price, you will need to see a copy of the
actual invoice provided by the dealer. Many dealers will provide you with a
copy of their invoices if you ask for it. Here is what a typical invoice
looks like:
Car Invoice
Each option is broken down by invoice and MSRP price. The destination fee is
always a pass-through cost to the buyer and is not marked up.
Dealer Holdback
Dealer holdback is something that most dealers don't like to acknowledge -
because it's basically a hidden profit. Holdback is usually an amount equal
to 1% to 3% of the MSRP price. The dealer gets reinbursed for this amount by
the manufacturer for each vehicle they sell.
On a $25,000 car, this can be up to $750. They could sell you the car at
invoice price and still make a profit of $750. Not all manufacturers offer a
holdback, but most do.
Factory to Dealer Incentives
A major factor that can affect a dealer's true cost are incentives they
receive from the factory. Each car manufacturer offers their own version of
incentives, called "dealer cash" or "dealer allowance", which encourage
dealers to sell more vehicles.
Many of these programs involve monthly sales goals which can add several
hundred dollars profit for each vehicle sold. There are also hidden dealer
incentives on slower selling vehicles. These usually range between $500 and
$3,000, but I've seen them as high as $15,000 on some popular luxury models
and even up to $60,000 on ultra-luxury models such as the Mercedes Maybach.
Let's take a look at an example of what a dealer may actually pay for a
typical vehicle:
MSRP $25,000
Invoice Price $24,000
3% Holdback -$750
Dealer Incentive -$1,000
True Dealer Cost $22,250
Although the vehicle you're interested in may not have such high hidden
incentives, the point is - dealers do have access to these hidden profit
sources, so next time they complain they're not making any money on the deal
, you can point these out.
A typical dealer's true cost is usually several hundred to several thousand
dollars BELOW invoice price - keep that in mind next time you negotiate.
http://www.realcartips.com/newcars/029-car-dealers-true-cost.shtml
The dealer pays about 18 to 20 percent less than the invoice. To the
manufacture based on volume of all models purchased. If you believe they are
only making 5 to 8 percent profit between the invoice and the MSRP you're a
fool. These dealers also pay KBB and the listing like autotrader and
cargurus about $299 per listing. This shows up as dealer fees on the
consumer side. The market value is determined by these three players. None
of them is an independent source of true maket value. They are all colluding
for max profit.
A friend of mine has been selling cars for years. No dealer is marking them
up only 5-8 percent. Try more like 20-25 percent depending on the model and
price. For instance the last car I bought was on the lot for 39,200.00. When
all was said and done I bought it for 34,125.00 out the door. I know the
dealer still made money....plenty of it, however the salesman was crying
like I just took his last 20.00. Car salesman are so full of it it's funny.
The way I look at it is the first number you ought to throw out there should
be about 25 percent under MSRP and go from there.
Good luck buyers.
The average difference between MSRP and what the dealer pays for the car(
dealer discount) really varies based on what make and model the car is and
how much volume the dealer does. There is no set number. Economy cars
typically have a lower percentage and luxury marques and trucks are
generally higher. I have heard that the industry average is actually closer
to 20%. Some dealers mark up cars over the MSRP depending on the popularity
of the vehicle, as well. 
I am a salesman at toyota and I can personally confirm that we have around 7
% mark up in our vehicles
it is different depending on brand. GM marks up their cars 25% just so they
can offer "$12,500 incentives" on their cars. Japanese brands only have 7%
avg mark up. where as german brands normally have around 14% 
f*****h
发帖数: 4489
2
本田小二表示不服

:How to Figure Out a Dealer's True Cost
x***o
发帖数: 127
3
This explains well it took me only about two minutes to get a brand new
RAV4 quite a few years ago OTD =
MSRP - 2000, which is around the invoice price.
Those salespersons are very funny in pretending they could not make money as
if they net payment to the manufacture were really the so-called invoice
price that you can simply google to find out every where.
There are many hidden secrets between the manufacture and dealers, that you
will never get to know. That is the trade secrete.
I happen to have a colleague whose wife works for a company similar to
Toyota North America. He told me they got a car at price 10% off "invoice"
+ TTL, without any negotiation, as his wife is an employee. The IRS does tax
them for this kind of "
benefits", as the company still makes a some profit, though maybe not too
much as a greedy dealer try to convince you.

dealer
backs

【在 s**p 的大作中提到】
: How to Figure Out a Dealer's True Cost
: Despite what you may have read on other sites, there is no way to know for
: sure what a dealer's true cost is for each vehicle they sell.
: There are simply too many hidden variables involved. For example, the dealer
: 's financing cost increases by a small amount each day a car goes unsold.
: You would need to find out how many days that car has been sitting on the
: lot, in addition to knowing some other hidden costs and possible kick-backs
: they receive from the manufacturer. It's nearly impossible.
: The good news, however, is that we can get a very good idea of a dealer's
: true cost - it simply involves 3 things: Invoice price, Holdback, and

j******0
发帖数: 1043
4
Dealer is your friend.
s*********y
发帖数: 2653
5
They treat you like their own family members lol

【在 j******0 的大作中提到】
: Dealer is your friend.
X***9
发帖数: 7385
6

就当是车正好有1000元incentive
也就用这个公式
MSRP $25,000
Invoice Price $24,000
3% Holdback -$750
Dealer Incentive -$1,000
True Dealer Cost $22,250
那好比税是7%好了,尽管有高有低的,其他费用还是500
那么车行成本22250加税杂费=24307 只比msrp低几百,如果没有厂家incentive甚至会
高出来
那一天到晚叫人用msrp-2000当otd买才合理的主儿是什么意思?您不是不反对让车行赚
钱吗?
这么算即便车行开门成本都不要钱车行还是亏钱了啊?非要求车行亏钱卖自己车又算什
么?车行不能承受亏那么多就骂人家又算什么?

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】
: 本田小二表示不服
:
: :How to Figure Out a Dealer's True Cost
: :

x***o
发帖数: 127
7
Tired of playing games with dealers, I spent a little close to two hours
dropping by a few dealers on the way shopping grocery etc in driving test,
leaving contacts, and immediately
leaving.
For so-called most popular hybrid version, I offered OTD = MSRP - 900, they
all pretended they could not do it at at upon the first visit, as they would
lose money, referencing to invoice price. They kept quiet for about three
days,then within the next two days, one and after another of the dealers
called me, and said they could do it. There was not any incentive at the
time from the manufacture to the dealers, nor any other advertised
rebates.
Dropped by one on the way back home from work, I spent one second to double
confirm the price, and it is brand new car. After checking the VIN#, later
to my surprise a with the finance department, the xiao3er2 actually
finalized OTD = MSRP - 1000. Their selling price is below the
invoice price.
Obviously, there are two possibilities. The first one is they are selling at
a real loss, so they are LEI2 FENG1. the second one is still big enough
profit drove them calling me to make a profit as soon as possible.
Which one do you believe?
Sure, you can always convenience yourself with the help of some Xiao3 er2
with formulas. and you are encouraged to pay MSRP + TTL if you want. They
can always prepare excellent paperworks and numbers for you.

as
you
"

【在 x***o 的大作中提到】
: This explains well it took me only about two minutes to get a brand new
: RAV4 quite a few years ago OTD =
: MSRP - 2000, which is around the invoice price.
: Those salespersons are very funny in pretending they could not make money as
: if they net payment to the manufacture were really the so-called invoice
: price that you can simply google to find out every where.
: There are many hidden secrets between the manufacture and dealers, that you
: will never get to know. That is the trade secrete.
: I happen to have a colleague whose wife works for a company similar to
: Toyota North America. He told me they got a car at price 10% off "invoice"

f*****h
发帖数: 4489
8
你不是说了dealer incentive是保密的吗?这里的1000只是举个例子 也有可能是2000
?3000?4000?5000?


:【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】
X***9
发帖数: 7385
9

2000
大哥您好 incentive 和rebate的功能是一样的 都是厂家给的回扣 区别是
Rebate是厂家直接给买车人的 就是不用这个rebate车行也没任何好处,rebate金额会
在协议里注明 丰田用rebate
Incentive 是厂家给车行的 车行可以把这个优惠通过减价的方式转给消费者 也可以不
用 金额不会在协议里出现 比如说本田
如果incentive是贷款条件下的down payment assist则会出现在协议里 不过也没有注
明 而是以头款金额出现 比如说这个金额是500 而客人贷款头款放一千 那么协议里头
款的金额会变成1500。
Rebate和incentives 目前很多主流查价格的网站也都有信息。
还有大哥事实上 很多车子 不是任何时候都有rebate 或incentive的 通常厂家为了尽
快处理掉生产过剩挤压的车子 才会有优惠减价或利率措施 当然有些时候是为了和其他
品牌竞争销量 也会推出一些政策。
不过这些也都不构成任何您一定要买到让车行亏本才算完的最低价的理由啊?
其实您等的行为归根结底就是个人的贪婪而拼命想掩饰才到处找是别人问题的作为借口
其实和对方是什么成本又有什么关系?
就好比如果昨天某大超市免费领取100元gift card 您今天得到消息去的时候人家发完
了 您这种性格的一定会觉得很可惜很后悔 觉得亏大了 但如果这个消息就没告诉您呢
? 您还会觉得亏吗? 您也许也是想还不如不知道呢吧
所以一切的一切 只是您个人心理作祟 而无关商家搞什么活动。

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】
: 你不是说了dealer incentive是保密的吗?这里的1000只是举个例子 也有可能是2000
: ?3000?4000?5000?
:
: :
: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】

s**********u
发帖数: 2749
10
跟我说的差不多,做distribution没有20%以上的毛利很难赚钱。
小二不懂英语
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请问怎么跟dealer周旋dealer真是以invoice的价钱在厂家拿的车吗
请教:有DEALER会低于INVOICE价卖车吗?他们赚什么?我来爆一下car dealer真正的底价
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X***9
发帖数: 7385
11

they
would
three
大哥您十分可爱 前几天小弟就从您几个帖子里看出来您很有此地无银的毛病 并好意提
醒您有没有看过这个典故
结果您还是老毛病不敢 反复多次提到您看车,算价格只用了一两秒
您是想表达一下您只埋了一二两嘛?

【在 x***o 的大作中提到】
: Tired of playing games with dealers, I spent a little close to two hours
: dropping by a few dealers on the way shopping grocery etc in driving test,
: leaving contacts, and immediately
: leaving.
: For so-called most popular hybrid version, I offered OTD = MSRP - 900, they
: all pretended they could not do it at at upon the first visit, as they would
: lose money, referencing to invoice price. They kept quiet for about three
: days,then within the next two days, one and after another of the dealers
: called me, and said they could do it. There was not any incentive at the
: time from the manufacture to the dealers, nor any other advertised

f*****h
发帖数: 4489
12
你又来了 上次你说厂家给车行的incentive是保密的 现在又说网上可以查到是公开的
到底怎么一回事?


:【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】
X***9
发帖数: 7385
13


与rebate不同 不是公开给消费者的 但消费者是可以查到的 很难理解吗?

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】
: 你又来了 上次你说厂家给车行的incentive是保密的 现在又说网上可以查到是公开的
: 到底怎么一回事?
:
: :
: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】

f*****h
发帖数: 4489
14
那你上次说的dealer保密的金额到底是啥?


:【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】
m*****3
发帖数: 13701
15
这个本田小二是车板唯一一个 100% 的人都看不下去的艾迪,绝对是个人才

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】
: 那你上次说的dealer保密的金额到底是啥?
:
: :
: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】

X***9
发帖数: 7385
16

不如您把我的原话贴出来我帮您分析分析?

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】
: 那你上次说的dealer保密的金额到底是啥?
:
: :
: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】

X***9
发帖数: 7385
17

如果要比趋炎附势,我不如卿。
如果要比实事求是,卿不如我。

【在 m*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这个本田小二是车板唯一一个 100% 的人都看不下去的艾迪,绝对是个人才
x***o
发帖数: 127
18
Sorry, again, I am sharing my store and numbers to other potential buyers in
buying a Toyota car. Not a honda. Mind your own business. What is the ef
word with you and your brain?
I do not have silver really here, let alone 300 unit. I do have an ixxt here
who can interpret double confirmation as calculation. However, it is not a
surprise to me as this I have seen this repeated pattern out of this fuxx
ixxt.
I do not believe you can see. I guess you can smell as you tend to stay
inside other's tummy to guess what others are thinking of.
Actually you are wrong and self arrogant. I am a laojiang, and you can show
a little your respect by calling me uncle xxx, as a courtesy, which you have
been trying to squeeze
out of your foul mouth.

【在 X***9 的大作中提到】
:
: 如果要比趋炎附势,我不如卿。
: 如果要比实事求是,卿不如我。

V**3
发帖数: 12756
19
一般两万四五的车,MSRP和invoice 之间不会只差一千块

【在 X***9 的大作中提到】
:
: 如果要比趋炎附势,我不如卿。
: 如果要比实事求是,卿不如我。

x***o
发帖数: 127
20
I would not be hesitate to label it as a distinguished tapeworm, which might
be a better fit.
* distorting others words/ by twisting, segmentation
* not being able to see, yet being able to smell the stinky stuff in others'
tummy, and then concluding on the limited experience of always staying the
darkness.

【在 m*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这个本田小二是车板唯一一个 100% 的人都看不下去的艾迪,绝对是个人才
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用costco membership买车如何?你们说是卖车的是卖的贵但是少,还是卖的便宜但是卖的多,赚钱多?
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X***9
发帖数: 7385
21

当然各有不同,我只是用楼主引文中的内容举例而已。

【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 一般两万四五的车,MSRP和invoice 之间不会只差一千块
a***u
发帖数: 36
22
OTD =
MSRP - 2000, which is around the invoice price.
公式简单,以后就按这个砍(丰田)了。cheap车就得使劲砍。


: I would not be hesitate to label it as a distinguished tapeworm, which
might

: be a better fit.

: * distorting others words/ by twisting, segmentation

: * not being able to see, yet being able to smell the stinky stuff in
others'

: tummy, and then concluding on the limited experience of always
staying the

: darkness.



【在 x***o 的大作中提到】
: I would not be hesitate to label it as a distinguished tapeworm, which might
: be a better fit.
: * distorting others words/ by twisting, segmentation
: * not being able to see, yet being able to smell the stinky stuff in others'
: tummy, and then concluding on the limited experience of always staying the
: darkness.

X***9
发帖数: 7385
23

in
here
a
show
您有一点进步,就是您开始修正您的公式了,您现在想表达的说法是对丰田适用,这个
不管是不是绝对,但起码比较靠谱儿了。
当然您用您的公式买了3部丰田觉得适用就想当然的扩大到所有车型并飘飘然的以为变
成了买车达人被小弟指正以后就对小弟怀恨在心的所作所为不禁让人想起本版另一位奇
特id。
他当时也是刚买了带倒车雷达的新车,就lol别人因为没有倒车雷达才撞死的嘴脸如出
一辙。
是不是买车过程越费劲的主儿,刚买完新车就越容易得意忘形? 并得意忘形的不知所
云?

【在 x***o 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, again, I am sharing my store and numbers to other potential buyers in
: buying a Toyota car. Not a honda. Mind your own business. What is the ef
: word with you and your brain?
: I do not have silver really here, let alone 300 unit. I do have an ixxt here
: who can interpret double confirmation as calculation. However, it is not a
: surprise to me as this I have seen this repeated pattern out of this fuxx
: ixxt.
: I do not believe you can see. I guess you can smell as you tend to stay
: inside other's tummy to guess what others are thinking of.
: Actually you are wrong and self arrogant. I am a laojiang, and you can show

a***u
发帖数: 36
24
给dealer条活路吧,这些要真揭出来了,dealer和车厂赚的不够,对美车是把美车逼破产,
对丰田是铁皮越来越薄料越来越省和cheap。
我觉得价格公道,差不多就可以了


: 那你上次说的dealer保密的金额到底是啥?

: :

: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】



【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】
: 那你上次说的dealer保密的金额到底是啥?
:
: :
: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】

X***9
发帖数: 7385
25

产,
您的初衷是好的,不过这个公道,在不同人的价值观里,是不一样的。
就好像各大网站查出来的公道价格,很多人认为是公道的价格,但那些不砍到最后一分
钱的主儿,是不以为然的。
他们观念里的“公道的”价格是没有人再能买的比他们还能再低的价格。

【在 a***u 的大作中提到】
: 给dealer条活路吧,这些要真揭出来了,dealer和车厂赚的不够,对美车是把美车逼破产,
: 对丰田是铁皮越来越薄料越来越省和cheap。
: 我觉得价格公道,差不多就可以了
:
:
: 那你上次说的dealer保密的金额到底是啥?
:
: :
:
: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】
:

x***o
发帖数: 127
26
Only tapeworms, would guess and conclude, my master, whose tummy I reside in
, has thought this is a universal to all cars, regardless new/old, ford/
camry/hydun/audi/.
That is how you have been behaving like a tapeworm.
Do you really think you are something that deserver being kept in somebody'
s memory? You are way too proud of you. I hope you are a real tapeworm, and
apoo you out.
Who cares a shitdealer words? We care more about our pocket, and how to
avoid being trapped by dealer's price games.
OTD = MSRP - 2000 is what I had easily got for some brand new cars in the
past, without any incentive/rebate. I have been sharing my story. Readers/
buyers would have their own conclusions, for sure.
I would assume no buyer would be an idiot to use this exact number. Some
would be able to get a OTD price lower than MSRP - 2000.
I also understand Honda dealers are NIUBIer, and Honda xiaoer can always
sell a much higher price as they are trained to be good at educating
customers net payment to manufacture is "invoice" price - dealer holdback.
What a joke!

【在 X***9 的大作中提到】
:
: 产,
: 您的初衷是好的,不过这个公道,在不同人的价值观里,是不一样的。
: 就好像各大网站查出来的公道价格,很多人认为是公道的价格,但那些不砍到最后一分
: 钱的主儿,是不以为然的。
: 他们观念里的“公道的”价格是没有人再能买的比他们还能再低的价格。

f*****h
发帖数: 4489
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本田小二是典型的做婊子还有立牌坊 很恶心

:给dealer条活路吧,这些要真揭出来了,dealer和车厂赚的不够,对美车是把美车逼破
产,对丰田是铁皮越来越薄料越来越省和cheap。
x***o
发帖数: 127
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Agree dealers must be able to make some profit to survive. However, it does
not mean customers should be tricked to believe the final
net price paid by dealers to car manufacturers is the "invoice" - holdback.
What I feel sick is that dealers pretend that: when there is no incentive/
rebate and I have to sell you at MSRP + TTL to make a profit,...., as if
that has been the real situation for hundreds of years.
When you are better powered with the knowledge how they work, and simply
provide OTD = MSRP - xxxx (e.g. 2000), they will be after you one after
another, as they can still make big enough profit, while at the same time
you are saved from being ripped off additional extra $2000$/3000, for such a
commodity car worth just a little over $20K.
My experience with the popular grocery cars, Toyota, at the range of a
little over 20K, it is easy to get OTD = MSRP - 2000, even when there is no
incentive nor rebate, with a a tax rate of nearly 8%.
For most recent Audi, someone even get 33% off MSRP + TTL, when there is
additional incentives from the car manufactures.
I have found out the best strategy, if you are able to get some estimate,
even if it is a text message, show to dealers, and let them beat on their
best price. Then you will be in much better position starting from the
lowest dealer offer to negotiate.
For me, I am lazy in getting the lowest price. Without any incentive/rebate
at the time of purchase:
Year ago, I simply offer something like OTD = MSRP - 2000, and waited for
two minutes to get approval in getting a RAV4 car.
Most recently, I simply offered something like OTD = MSRP - 900, and got
accepted after two days by three car dealers one after another, one second
to double confirm the price and VIN# on site, and then waited for completion
of financial paperworks before driving home.
If you have time, you may use OTD = MSRP - 2000 for your cars of interest,
and try to squeeze a few other hundred dollars, or even more, if you can
spend tens of hours on the process, for some gasoline commodity Japanese
cars, which are more popular in general than their competitors, and believed
to be harder to negotiate.

产,

【在 a***u 的大作中提到】
: 给dealer条活路吧,这些要真揭出来了,dealer和车厂赚的不够,对美车是把美车逼破产,
: 对丰田是铁皮越来越薄料越来越省和cheap。
: 我觉得价格公道,差不多就可以了
:
:
: 那你上次说的dealer保密的金额到底是啥?
:
: :
:
: :【 在 fighzxh (身体只是借代品) 的大作中提到: 】
:

d*******n
发帖数: 43
29
车版难得一见的好文
最近正要买车 到时候多读几遍
YouTube上据说还有dealer的培训教程 我也准备看看 知己知彼

does
holdback.
a

【在 x***o 的大作中提到】
: Agree dealers must be able to make some profit to survive. However, it does
: not mean customers should be tricked to believe the final
: net price paid by dealers to car manufacturers is the "invoice" - holdback.
: What I feel sick is that dealers pretend that: when there is no incentive/
: rebate and I have to sell you at MSRP + TTL to make a profit,...., as if
: that has been the real situation for hundreds of years.
: When you are better powered with the knowledge how they work, and simply
: provide OTD = MSRP - xxxx (e.g. 2000), they will be after you one after
: another, as they can still make big enough profit, while at the same time
: you are saved from being ripped off additional extra $2000$/3000, for such a

X***9
发帖数: 7385
30

而事实上是车行为了争夺市场份额不惜亏钱卖新车是一个普遍现象。
但您这样的消费者觉得不砍到最后一分就不是自己能接受的合理价格,还反过来骂车行
新车价格利润太高,不用您认定的“合理价格”卖给您就是车行太黑也是不容否认的现
实。
牌坊立在那里清楚至极,也接受成千上万的消费者的鉴定。
只是您自己真的分不清楚谁才是婊子那确实比较可惜。
当然如果是因为脑子不好使而分不清那也许只是可怜。
就怕是一帮只为了掩饰自己贪心而揣着明白故意装糊涂的主儿。
对这样的群体我们可以不认同但也表示接受,但就请他们别再骂那些价值观世界观和他
们不一样的消费者了。

【在 f*****h 的大作中提到】
: 本田小二是典型的做婊子还有立牌坊 很恶心
:
: :给dealer条活路吧,这些要真揭出来了,dealer和车厂赚的不够,对美车是把美车逼破
: 产,对丰田是铁皮越来越薄料越来越省和cheap。
: :

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