L******9
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Players do this in ALL sports. It is called playing by the rules. The RULES
are what is @#$@$ up here. Not the players.
1 Hour Ago
zhygu
Can anyone explain this, why they are not disqualified ... http://blogs.denverpost.com/sports/2012/08/03/brit...
3 Hours Ago
bandc21
BAD MiNton
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August 3 2012, 10:12 AM
HoosierKnight643
Every sport does it! Basketball and soccer especially..
August 3 2012, 9:00 AM
c**********[email protected]
One of the worst arguments made against the players for their conduct is
that "people payed good money to watch you play." Maybe i'm way off on this
one, but what % of the ticket sales do the competing athletes receive??
Pretty sure it's 0%
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August 2 2012, 6:11 PM
big_jimmy007
The Olympic Creed is "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not
to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the
triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but
to have fought well." The change to a round-robin format does not violate
this creed, but rather the shameful manner in which the players conducted
themselves. By failing to play even reasonably close to their level, the
players have not "fought well" but instead chose to ...more
August 2 2012, 5:42 PM
c**********[email protected]
Part of "fighting well," doing your best to win, is strategy $@%!$@%
August 2 2012, 6:04 PM
TedLillie
The IOC should be ashamed of itself. The true "spirit of the olympics" is
to give yourself the best chance to win a gold medal. If losing in the
prelims gives you a better chance at winning the gold, then you SHOULD try
to lose.
This kind of thing happens all the time in almost every other sport:
swimmers letting up at the end of prelims to save energy for finals,
benching the starters in the NFL when it's a blowout, benching the stars in
the NBA to rest for the playoffs after clinching a spot.
...more
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August 2 2012, 4:56 PM
Darth Henreckson
The difference is that swimmers and baseball teams aren't doing their best
to lose. Swimmers still need to advance out of the heats to make it the
finals, they just don't need to take first. Baseball teams still try to win
every night, they just put themselves in a position to win more games next
year.
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August 2 2012, 5:28 PM
big_jimmy007
The true spirit of the Olympics is NOT about winning, but the challenges
faced by taking part. It's about how you play the game.
August 2 2012, 5:43 PM
ksubbert
All Olympic sports that have a "Gold Medal game" and a "Bronze medal game"
like badminten and basketball need to add 1 more game to the tourney. The "
Gold Medal game" loser vs. the "Bronze Medal game winner" play for the
silver medal. This way, if the 2 best teams play in the semifinals, they
could still finish gold/silver. Now there is no reason for two different
teams representing the same country to try to manipulate the results to
ensure they are on opposite sides of the bracket. They've be...more
August 2 2012, 4:39 PM
jamesdivad
In sports I don't really have a problem with it, it's strategy. The issue
is that this is the olympics and this behavior goes against an oath that all
olympic athletes take before the start of the games. That is why I have a
problem with this.
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August 2 2012, 4:25 PM
HERECOMESDABLITZ
This issue would have not happened if the third matches in the group are
played simultaneously at the same time.
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August 2 2012, 4:11 PM
JKolodne
I'll concede that it does go against the "spirit" of the Olympic Games and
even competition - but it's really just "gamesmanship" unfortunately. They
outsmarted the IOC (or whoever comes up with the playoff formats for the
olympic games), found a loophole in the broken playoff system and exploited
it. And for that, I can NOT fault them. Fix the flawed system (**cough,
cough, the BCS cough, cough**) , not the people who used it to their
advantage. That being said, I couldn't really care less ...more
August 2 2012, 3:53 PM
zhygu
That's a stupid rule! It says all athletes have better records in final
rounds than preliminary rounds, all should be disqualified ...
August 2 2012, 3:49 PM
Nets with no D12 are 45 win 1st round exit
I have a problem with them losing on purpose to get a more favorable draw..
.but I have just as much of a problem with a system that makes it enticing
to do that.
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August 2 2012, 3:43 PM
sdcgranby20002
i have no problem with it
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August 2 2012, 3:28 PM
sdcgranby20002
LOL
August 2 2012, 3:26 PM
sdcgranby20002
there is something wrong with the rules if teams are trying to lose olympic
people wake up change the rules
August 2 2012, 3:26 PM
KarmaCanik
Just think, had the refs waited for NBC to provide replay of the "lack of
effort" they would have needed sun tan lotion for the beach in Rio!
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August 2 2012, 3:25 PM
Ride_FTM
My initial reaction was anger and agreement with their removal/banishment
from the Olympics. I have thought it over and have completely changed my
stance. They weren't throwing the games for gambling or any other "outside"
reason, it was to increase their chances of succeeding in later rounds. It's
obvious the system is the real problem, to criticize them or throw "lack of
integrity" in there is silly and naive.
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August 2 2012, 3:21 PM
sdcgranby20002
i argee
August 2 2012, 3:24 PM
coolio198
In case you didnt read from a couple posts down
International Olympic Committee, Code of Ethics: "participants in the
Olympic Games must not, by any manner whatsoever, infringe the principle of
fair play, show non-sporting conduct, or attempt to influence the course or
result of a competition, or any part thereof, in a manner cont...
August 2 2012, 3:26 PM
Ride_FTM
I'm aware. But when you're representing your country, you will do most
anything to win a medal. It's obvious the tournament setup is the real
problem.
August 2 2012, 3:36 PM
bgby69
They were already the top seed and world champions. If you are the best,
you do not need to play like that to get a more favorable match up. The only
thing they were trying to do was to help China's other team make the finals
.
August 2 2012, 3:59 PM
c**********[email protected]
I don't think they broke that rule, in fact, they would be closer to
breaking the Code of Ethics if they didn't use this strategy to get
themselves a more favorable draw.
August 2 2012, 6:17 PM
sdcgranby20002
if it helps the teams to lose to do better LOL
August 2 2012, 3:27 PM
KarmaCanik
Fran Fraschilla claims that basketball teams do it all the time! How is
badminton any different if what he says is true.
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August 2 2012, 3:20 PM
Incontrovertible
Round robin tournament exposed itself to this type of poor sportsmanship
and should be eliminated. However, it is clearly against the spirit of
Olympic competition to attempt to gain an advantage by purposely losing.
International Olympic Committee, Code of Ethics: "participants in the
Olympic Games must not, by any manner whatsoever, infringe the principle of
fair play, show non-sporting conduct, or attempt to influence the course or
result of a competition, or any part thereof, in a manner cont...more
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August 2 2012, 3:14 PM
Mark6514
i may start boycotting chinese food
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August 2 2012, 3:08 PM
Your Best Nightmare
China wants more medals because they know they won't win many in Track and
Field LOLOL
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August 2 2012, 2:49 PM
emilbc90
im not chinese but wow... what a stupid sad comeback.
last i saw, china is still at par on medals standing only with US.
August 2 2012, 5:38 PM
garyh1871
I would have a problem with this if I hated strategic intelligence. If they
didn't want people to do this then don't make it beneficial to do so. They
aren't playing for my enjoyment they are playing to win medals and this
helps them do so
August 2 2012, 2:41 PM
jshisler79
Had their Chinese compatriots not lost, it would not have been beneficial.
It was a unique situation that required a unique punishment.
August 2 2012, 2:42 PM
zero chance
Maybe the Chinese #2 tanked also to conserve energy since they were already
qualified. Perhaps this was a strategy from the very beginning.
August 2 2012, 2:43 PM
zero chance
The problem with the logic that they tanked to get a better draw could be
wrong for the following reason - if they did not tank, then they would play
their compatriots - win or lose one Chinese team will be guaranteed a medal.
By tanking, they wanted to increase their chances of getting two medals vs
guaranteed one. The Chinese were greedy.
August 2 2012, 2:46 PM
jshisler79
I doubt that. I think it was more that they wanted the easier draw than to
be greedy. But no one will ever really know the reasons.
August 2 2012, 2:48 PM
zero chance
Do you believe everything you read? Question for you - the Danes beat the
Chinese #2, which many claim started this whole mess. Are you saying really
the Danes are a weaker opponent? That their victory was a fluke? That is
what the experts are saying. Chinese #1 practices with Chinese #2 all the
time, both teams know each other/ That match would have killed both teams
energy wise for the winner to get through - which means a harder semi final
for the winner. It is possible in this sceanri...more
August 2 2012, 2:52 PM
beedubs26
Lack of integrity.
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August 2 2012, 2:51 PM
zero chance
This I can agree with. It is not sporting in the true sense. And this is
where the failure lies. But I think the system had a part to play and not
fair to lay all blame on the players and coaches.
August 2 2012, 2:54 PM
Incontrovertible
garyh1871 - They aren't playing for my enjoyment they are playing to win
medals and this helps them do so
- - - - -
They are playing for the spectators' enjoyment. To intentionally try to lose
robs the spectators of a well-played match.
August 2 2012, 3:10 PM
Ride_FTM
The spectators enjoyment is a result of them playing to win a medal for
their country. Not the other way around.
August 2 2012, 3:41 PM
zero chance
People are assuming they threw it to avoid a lesser opponent. The Danes
beat the Chinese #2 team, can you really say the Danes were the lesser team?
I think the Chinese #1 team threw their match to increase the chances of 2
Chinese teams making the finals (ie gold and silver vs Gold and bronze) AND
to conserve their energy because they were already through. The latter is no
different than swimmers letting up while in the lead to conserve energy for
the final.
August 2 2012, 2:30 PM
someVAguy
Then why doesn't USA volleyball lose then? Riddle me that.
August 2 2012, 2:34 PM
zero chance
They're probably better actors than the Chinese.
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August 2 2012, 2:37 PM
zero chance
because there are not 2 US teams in the tourney.
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August 2 2012, 2:38 PM
jshisler79
This is comparing apples to oranges when you compare this to swimming.
Swimmers don't get an easier opponent because they let up at the end of
their semi or heat. These people were trying to completely change the draw.
August 2 2012, 2:40 PM
zero chance
that's why I gave you 2 reasons. hence the word "latter".
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August 2 2012, 2:41 PM
buffalowills141
Why is this an Olympic sporting event anyway?
Badminton? Really? Who flipping cares...
August 2 2012, 2:24 PM
zero chance
because more people play badminton than American football, baseball, ice
hockey combined. remember there is a big world outside the USA borders.
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August 2 2012, 2:32 PM
Ride_FTM
"more people play" means absolutely nothing.
- It's easier to play/learn than all of the sports you listed (not
necessarily at a high level)
- it's less expensive to play than all of the sports you listed
- Requires less players to play than the sports you listed.
- It's easier to play with less experience than all of the sports you listed
- Badminton isn't associated/mostly played by males like the sports you just
listed.
I could go on forever, the point i'm trying to make here is quality is
better t...more
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August 2 2012, 3:26 PM
emilbc90
but zero chance was right. it's a quite popular sports outside US. and
indeed more people play badminton
dont say it's easier to play badminton if u never play it seriously.
non stop moving left n right, up n down, jumps... maybe doesnt require to be
tall (nba) or big (nfl), but it's a very tiring sports. u play it like
these athletes, then you know what im talking about.
dont even bother to compare with mlb. i dont recall i ve seen any baseball
players sweating. unless maybe from the heat or...more
August 2 2012, 5:31 PM
jshisler79
Wait, WHAT?! You mean the whole world doesn't revolve around the USA?!
SHOCKING! BLASPHEMY!
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August 2 2012, 2:41 PM
Ride_FTM
Ironically.... It pretty much does...
August 2 2012, 3:37 PM
carica597
it does who has the most medals most followed culture no one wants to admit
they want to be american but they do we know popular movies\songs from
around the world not really but non americans know and watch ervery movie
and song from america so dont insult americans when you use and do things
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