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n********n
发帖数: 8336
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撒但(Satan)
撒但的希伯来文为Satan,译作罪恶的源头及敌对的首领。希腊文为Satanas,译
佗对手、对头、魔鬼。旧约称撒但为彼列,意思是匪徒或恶势力。新约称撒但为别西卜
及亚玻伦与魔鬼,是邪灵的领袖、是毁灭者与讥谤者。新约中描写撒但为这世界的神、
撒谎者之父、古蛇、空中掌权的首领、在悖逆之子心中运行的邪灵,是这世界的神。(
约八44,十四30 ;弗二2~3,六11 ;林后四4)
一、撒但的由来:
撒但就是那起初引诱人类犯罪及那堕落的灵。(创三1~5;启十二7~9)天使的被
造,是只有灵体,却没有身体;是只有属灵的实质与生命,却没有属土的实体与性命。
其被造时,是与人类均为纯全与圣洁的。但为了某一部份的天使背叛上帝,以致犯罪堕
落被处刑。在众堕落犯罪的天使中,上帝没有给他们预备救恩的道路与得赎的机会,而
将他们拘禁在黑暗里。(犹6)但另一部份堕落的天使,上帝虽没有将他们拘禁,但却使
他们行走在天空漂游,随从以撒但为首的那天空掌权的首领游行放纵。(太十二24;彼
后二4)按圣经的讲法,撒但本为被造的天使长。在世界还没有被造以前,背叛上帝,成
为反对上帝与人类的抵挡者。(赛十四12~15)其背叛上帝的原因,是因为心中高傲、败
坏智能、不守本位、企夺神权,以致被上帝拘禁并摔倒。(结廿八15~17;犹6;启十二
9)
二、撒但的工作:
撒但自堕落后,就开始与上帝为敌并与被造的人类作对。堕落的天使不但失去本
来的地位,也失丧了原有的权柄。因被上帝的刑罚判决,最后被驱逐出天堂,而漂游在
空中与地球之间,到处游行、抵挡行义及寻找那可吞灭的人。(彼后五8)
1.撒但在十字架上被判刑后,就不断地弄瞎世人心里的眼睛,使人贪爱世界与放
纵肉体的性欲,引诱罪人进入迷途。(弗二3;林后四4;约壹二15~16)
2.撒但不但引诱世人犯罪,也不断在神的面前控告义人。一直到那迷惑世人的魔
鬼被摔在地上。直到神的救恩、能力与国度,并基督的权柄完全显现时才告停止。(启
十二8~10)
3.撒但不但与神为敌,并且不断的阻挡传福音的工作,特别对耶稣的门徒与那忠
心神的事工的人,更不遗馀力的抵抗。(太十六22~23 ;路廿二3~4;约十三27)
4.撒但是不断的引诱信徒远离真道,使他们持久的销灭圣灵的感动与欺哄上帝。(
徒五3~4;约壹三8~10)
5.撒但使人偏行己道、放纵私欲、说谎背道与不守真理。(约八44)
6.撒但伪装作光明的天使与仁义的差役,叫人行事诡诈、自高自大。(林后十一14
;提前三6)
7.撒但强制人类顺从邪灵、放纵肉体的私欲与抵挡上帝的行为。(弗二2~3)
三、撒但的结局:
受膏的天使长基路伯,本坐于上帝的旁边,带领所有受造者敬拜上帝。但是他心
中起恶念,内心骄慢,不顺从神的命令,以致叛变离道。其曾经与上帝斗了一场战争,
最后被神所击败,最后被摔倒而被胆丢在火湖里。(启五1~19,十二7~12,廿1~3)
n********n
发帖数: 8336
2
撒但(Satan)
撒但的希伯来文为Satan,译作罪恶的源头及敌对的首领。希腊文为Satanas,译
佗对手、对头、魔鬼。旧约称撒但为彼列,意思是匪徒或恶势力。新约称撒但为别西卜
及亚玻伦与魔鬼,是邪灵的领袖、是毁灭者与讥谤者。新约中描写撒但为这世界的神、
撒谎者之父、古蛇、空中掌权的首领、在悖逆之子心中运行的邪灵,是这世界的神。(
约八44,十四30 ;弗二2~3,六11 ;林后四4)
一、撒但的由来:
撒但就是那起初引诱人类犯罪及那堕落的灵。(创三1~5;启十二7~9)天使的被
造,是只有灵体,却没有身体;是只有属灵的实质与生命,却没有属土的实体与性命。
其被造时,是与人类均为纯全与圣洁的。但为了某一部份的天使背叛上帝,以致犯罪堕
落被处刑。在众堕落犯罪的天使中,上帝没有给他们预备救恩的道路与得赎的机会,而
将他们拘禁在黑暗里。(犹6)但另一部份堕落的天使,上帝虽没有将他们拘禁,但却使
他们行走在天空漂游,随从以撒但为首的那天空掌权的首领游行放纵。(太十二24;彼
后二4)按圣经的讲法,撒但本为被造的天使长。在世界还没有被造以前,背叛上帝,成
为反对上帝与人类的抵挡者。(赛十四12~15)其背叛上帝的原因,是因为心中高傲、败
坏智能、不守本位、企夺神权,以致被上帝拘禁并摔倒。(结廿八15~17;犹6;启十二
9)
二、撒但的工作:
撒但自堕落后,就开始与上帝为敌并与被造的人类作对。堕落的天使不但失去本
来的地位,也失丧了原有的权柄。因被上帝的刑罚判决,最后被驱逐出天堂,而漂游在
空中与地球之间,到处游行、抵挡行义及寻找那可吞灭的人。(彼后五8)
1.撒但在十字架上被判刑后,就不断地弄瞎世人心里的眼睛,使人贪爱世界与放
纵肉体的性欲,引诱罪人进入迷途。(弗二3;林后四4;约壹二15~16)
2.撒但不但引诱世人犯罪,也不断在神的面前控告义人。一直到那迷惑世人的魔
鬼被摔在地上。直到神的救恩、能力与国度,并基督的权柄完全显现时才告停止。(启
十二8~10)
3.撒但不但与神为敌,并且不断的阻挡传福音的工作,特别对耶稣的门徒与那忠
心神的事工的人,更不遗馀力的抵抗。(太十六22~23 ;路廿二3~4;约十三27)
4.撒但是不断的引诱信徒远离真道,使他们持久的销灭圣灵的感动与欺哄上帝。(
徒五3~4;约壹三8~10)
5.撒但使人偏行己道、放纵私欲、说谎背道与不守真理。(约八44)
6.撒但伪装作光明的天使与仁义的差役,叫人行事诡诈、自高自大。(林后十一14
;提前三6)
7.撒但强制人类顺从邪灵、放纵肉体的私欲与抵挡上帝的行为。(弗二2~3)
三、撒但的结局:
受膏的天使长基路伯,本坐于上帝的旁边,带领所有受造者敬拜上帝。但是他心
中起恶念,内心骄慢,不顺从神的命令,以致叛变离道。其曾经与上帝斗了一场战争,
最后被神所击败,最后被摔倒而被胆丢在火湖里。(启五1~19,十二7~12,廿1~3)
l*****i
发帖数: 20533
3
按编程来比,这就是上帝编的出了严重bug的程序。
h*****n
发帖数: 2415
4
no,上帝和撒旦二位一体。

【在 l*****i 的大作中提到】
: 按编程来比,这就是上帝编的出了严重bug的程序。
b*****n
发帖数: 4976
5

=======
按编程来比,游戏 Diablo 没有了打大魔头,也不会好玩。

【在 l*****i 的大作中提到】
: 按编程来比,这就是上帝编的出了严重bug的程序。
m****r
发帖数: 1904
6
旧约称撒但为彼列,意思是匪徒或恶势力。新约称撒但为别西卜及亚玻伦与魔鬼,
----------------------------------------------------------------------
怎么又把正面的基路伯天使认为是撒但呢?
撒但诱惑亚当夏娃,他们被赶出伊甸园,是基路伯天使守卫伊甸园,和撒但怎么就能扯
一起了呢?
天使长米迦勒也是正面形象(圣经说米迦勒是“天使长”。(犹大书9)),怎么又被
定为是撒但的呢?帖前4:16 “因为主必亲自从天而降,带着发令的呼唤、天使长的声
音、上帝号筒的响声。那些跟基督联合的死人必首先复活。”

【在 n********n 的大作中提到】
: 撒但(Satan)
: 撒但的希伯来文为Satan,译作罪恶的源头及敌对的首领。希腊文为Satanas,译
: 佗对手、对头、魔鬼。旧约称撒但为彼列,意思是匪徒或恶势力。新约称撒但为别西卜
: 及亚玻伦与魔鬼,是邪灵的领袖、是毁灭者与讥谤者。新约中描写撒但为这世界的神、
: 撒谎者之父、古蛇、空中掌权的首领、在悖逆之子心中运行的邪灵,是这世界的神。(
: 约八44,十四30 ;弗二2~3,六11 ;林后四4)
: 一、撒但的由来:
: 撒但就是那起初引诱人类犯罪及那堕落的灵。(创三1~5;启十二7~9)天使的被
: 造,是只有灵体,却没有身体;是只有属灵的实质与生命,却没有属土的实体与性命。
: 其被造时,是与人类均为纯全与圣洁的。但为了某一部份的天使背叛上帝,以致犯罪堕

m****r
发帖数: 1904
7
圣经说“米迦勒和他的天使跟龙争战,龙和它的天使也来争战”。(启示录12:7)
“大龙被摔了下去。大龙就是最初的蛇,叫做魔鬼,又叫撒但”。(启12:7-9)
龙是撒但,米迦勒也是撒但,自己跟自己打仗?很显然米迦勒应该是正面人物。

【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 旧约称撒但为彼列,意思是匪徒或恶势力。新约称撒但为别西卜及亚玻伦与魔鬼,
: ----------------------------------------------------------------------
: 怎么又把正面的基路伯天使认为是撒但呢?
: 撒但诱惑亚当夏娃,他们被赶出伊甸园,是基路伯天使守卫伊甸园,和撒但怎么就能扯
: 一起了呢?
: 天使长米迦勒也是正面形象(圣经说米迦勒是“天使长”。(犹大书9)),怎么又被
: 定为是撒但的呢?帖前4:16 “因为主必亲自从天而降,带着发令的呼唤、天使长的声
: 音、上帝号筒的响声。那些跟基督联合的死人必首先复活。”

n********n
发帖数: 8336
8
原帖是转载的,看来有误。下面的也是转载的。
問題:什麼是基路伯?基路伯是天使麼?
回答: 基路伯是在天國敬拜和讚美神的天使。基路伯第一次出現在聖經創世紀3:24
, 「於是把他趕出去了。又在伊甸園的東邊安設基路伯,和四面轉動發火焰的劍,要
把守生命樹的道路。」撒旦在其背叛之前是一個基路伯(以西結書28:12-15)。殿堂
和幔帳以及其它用品上都有很多基路伯的圖像(出埃及記25:17-22;26:1,31;36:
8;列王紀上6:23-35; 7: 29-36; 8: 6-7; 歷代志上28:18;歷代志下3:7-14;歷代
志下3:7-14; 歷代志下3:10-13;5:7-8;希伯來書9:5)。
以西結書第一章和第十章描述了「四活物」(以西結書1:5)和基路伯一樣(以西結
書10章)。每一個都有四個臉面——各有人的臉,獅子的、公牛的和鷹的臉(以西結書
1:10, 10: 14)——每個都有四個翅膀。基路伯的外表「有人的形象」(以西結書1:
5)。這些基路伯用兩個翅膀飛,兩個翅膀遮擋身體(以西結書1:6,11,23)。在他
們的翅膀下面有人的手,或看似人手形狀的。(以西結書1:8;10:7-8,21)。
啟示錄4:6-9的意象中似乎也是描述基路伯。他們事奉的目的是為增添神的聖潔和權
力。這是貫穿整個聖經的基路伯的主要責任。除了讚美神,他們也提醒人們神的莊嚴、
榮耀和永在。
m****r
发帖数: 1904
9
以西结的预言书记载,上帝曾经吩咐以西结“为泰尔王唱哀歌”。他在歌中称,“泰尔
王”原是负责守卫的荣耀基路伯,一度“在上帝的园子伊甸里”,后来却失去了光彩,
化为地上的灰尘。至高主宰耶和华说:“你是负责守卫的受膏基路伯天使,我派你站岗
。你在上帝的圣山上,在火焰石中行走。从你被创造的日子起,你所做的都纯全无过,
直到你被发现有了不义。……我要把你当做俗物,逐出上帝的山。负责守卫的[和合翻
作‘遮掩约柜的’;新译翻作‘护卫宝座的’]基路伯啊,我要把你……除灭。”(结
28:11-19)
o********e
发帖数: 257
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撒但就是那起初引诱人类犯罪及那堕落的灵。(创三1~5;启十二7~9)天使的被造,是
只有灵体,却没有身体;是只有属灵的实质与生命,却没有属土的实体与性命。。。請
問聖經那裡有說的。
在众堕落犯罪的天使中,上帝没有给他们预备救恩的道路与得赎的机会,而将他们拘禁
在黑暗里。(犹6)但另一部份堕落的天使,上帝虽没有将他们拘禁,但却使他们行走在
天空漂游,随从以撒但为首的那天空掌权的首领游行放纵。(太十二24;彼后二4)。。
。上帝並沒有把墮落的天使分開兩部分,有必要嗎?
猶6 又有不守本位、離開自己住處的天使,主用鎖鏈把他們永遠拘留在黑暗裏,等
候大日的審判。
彼後2:4 就是天使犯了罪,上帝也沒有寬容,曾把他們丟在地獄,交在黑暗坑中,
等候審判。
這兩節經文說的是同一件事。黑暗、地獄、黑暗坑都是指地球,本來的地球是空虛混沌
,淵面黑暗的,將來的地球是火湖(地獄)。用鎖鏈把他們拘留是象徵寫法,是禁止他
們到其他星球接觸其他的生靈。他們用不着在空中漂游,他們有居住的地方。。。
太12:43 “汙鬼離了人身,就在無水之地過來過去,尋求安歇之處,卻尋不著。
44 於是說:‘我要回到我所出來的屋裏去。’到了,就看見裏面空閒,打掃乾淨,
修飾好了,
45 便去另帶了七個比自己更惡的鬼來,都進去住在那裏。那人末後的景況比先前更
不好了。這邪惡的世代也要如此。”
l*****a
发帖数: 38403
11
说真格的对撒旦的说法犹太教要合理得多
It is very important to understand the difference between the Jewish
understanding of Satan and the Christian understanding of Satan.
First of all, in doing a quick search of the Hebrew and Christian bibles, we
find a remarkable difference. In the Jewish bible (Tanakh), we find three
separate references to Satan (the book of Job is considered one reference
because it is one continuous story). However, in the New Testament, a book 1
/3 the size of the Hebrew bible, we find 35 references to Satan. If we add
the word “devil” to the search, we get an additional 32 references in the
New Testament. In total, a search using different euphemisms for Satan
leaves us with well over a hundred references. So, the first thing we need
to understand is that in Judaism, HaSatan is not a main focus of our
relationship with HaShem (G-d). Whereas, Christianity almost seems
preoccupied with him.
This applies only to passages referring to Satan as a proper name – the
angelic being. The word Satan is actually used many times in the Tanakh, and
it means an adversary, obstacle or stumbling block.
Besides the shear pre-occupation with Satan, we find another very major,
fundamental difference between the Jewish understanding of Satan and the
Christian understanding of him.
In Christianity, Satan is an enemy of G-d, an opposing force, and something
very bad. In Christianity, Satan has a level of power that is considered
almost equal to that of G-d. In the Christian bible (2 Corinthians 4:3-4),
Satan is called the god of this world. However, in Judaism Satan is an agent
of G-d, created by G-d for a specific purpose, and something very good.
Satan is simply an agent of G-d, just as all the other angels are simply
agents of G-d. This is why we frequently see passages where the author
appears to interchange G-d and an angel (leading to the often erroneous
Christian concept of a christophony).
If we take a look at Isaiah 45:7, we see that Hashem is the creator of
everything, as the text says, “bringing forth light and create darkness, I
make peace and create evil, I am G-d who does all these things.” In the
Jewish bible, everything is under the jurisdiction of G-d and under His
power – all forces, even evil forces. Everything comes from G-d, He created
everything, good and evil. That being the case, Satan is not a rival of G-d
, he is a messenger of G-d and unable to do anything outside of G-d’s will.
In contrast to Christian literature, where Satan is understood to be an evil
force, the enemy of G-d, in Jewish literature, he is seen as a blessing to
the Jewish people. Why? Let’s consider for a moment what Satan means. As
mentioned before, the word not only means an adversary, but a stumbling
block or an obstacle. What exactly is an obstacle? It is something which is
put in our path requiring us to overcome it. Obstacles in this life give us
opportunities to stretch our muscles and to grow.
Let’s take a look at what Judaism has to say about Satan. In the Genesis
account of creation, we are told that G-d saw that each day was good, but on
the last day it says that G-d saw that everything was VERY good. The Talmud
teaches that this refers to the Evil inclination, which it equates with the
Satan. Why is this good? It is the Evil inclination that provides our
passions and desires, it is the evil inclination which is responsible for
not only all the evil that transpires in this world, but also for all the
good. For if we did not have passions, appetites and desires, we would also
have no motivation and we would accomplish very little, either good or bad
in this life.
If you look at the use of Satan in the Hebrew bible, you find that as a
concept, it is much more about an experience than a person, an experience
where G-d has put a roadblock in front of us. This is Satan, this is an
adversary. So why is this a good thing? Because if we were to go through
life without ever experiencing these roadblocks or adversaries, obstacles in
life, there would be no potential for virtue in the world. For if we were
never tempted to do the things that we are not supposed to do, then not
doing them would be of no value to us. It is only in coming up against a
desire to do what is wrong and overcoming this that we grow as spiritual
people.
This evil inclination, or Satan, provides friction. Can you imagine a world
with no friction, no resistance? Think about a car, how does it go? It is
the friction between the tires and the road that allow the car to make
progress, to go forward. Now, to the tires the friction is not necessarily a
positive thing, the friction slowly destroys the tire, and yet without the
friction, the tire is worthless.
If there is no resistance to overcome, we have no environment for growth.
When we come up against an obstacle, either we crash into it and fall (
definitely a negative experience – the evil inclination) or you have to
climb over it, and by climbing over these obstacles in life, we develop our
spiritual muscles, so to speak. If we never exercise our muscles, we atrophy
. So these forces in the world, these experiences, no matter how difficult
or uncomfortable, are positive and important.
To reiterate, in the Jewish bible, everything was created by G-d, both good
and evil and everything is under G-d’s control. Only one force, not two,
whereas, in Christianity Satan is not under the control of G-d but is rather
, a competing force against G-d. Christian theology makes Satan so powerful
that he is given the title, “the god of this world.”
This sets up a situation in Christian theology whereby Jesus must come and
accomplish something to help us get out of the difficult situation – to
overcome Satan, since he is at war not only with G-d, but with us. However,
Judaism teaches that what is to be overcome is not Satan, but the “satan”
in our path, the obstacle which has been put there for our growth.
So, to reiterate, in Judaism Satan is an agent of G-d, who provides
opportunities for us to grow, to respond to our passions and desires by
producing things of value in this world and to become stronger spiritual
people.
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