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l***d
发帖数: 1828
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实验基本上是我一个人做的,idea也是自己的,paper也是自己写的,老板就看了看修
改,我想当共同corresponding author,不知道可不可以?怎么和老板提?谢谢了。
p*****m
发帖数: 7030
2
想提就提 没什么不可以的吧 如果你老板还reasonable的话。当然他也可以不同意就是
了。。实话说这个东西其实没太大必要非要争就是了 有些领域的传统就是谁做的实验
谁是corresponding author 可也没见那些学生博后比其他领域的找工作有什么优势。
说到底找工作时候需要的credit还是得老板给你,这些纸面上的东西也就是个意思吧,
这个也许不公平但是我们也没办法。
k*****o
发帖数: 1486
3
如果funding和idea是你自己申的,绝对可以.
h****u
发帖数: 480
4

If you truly deserve it, a reasonable boss would just do it w/o you
asking. A really nice boss sometimes goes out of way to help
student/postdoc too. Was there a precedence in your lab before?
If you want to ask your boss for that, you'd better know what you are
doing.

【在 l***d 的大作中提到】
: 实验基本上是我一个人做的,idea也是自己的,paper也是自己写的,老板就看了看修
: 改,我想当共同corresponding author,不知道可不可以?怎么和老板提?谢谢了。

c******m
发帖数: 884
5
funding is an important issue here...

【在 k*****o 的大作中提到】
: 如果funding和idea是你自己申的,绝对可以.
b**j
发帖数: 415
6
only if you absolutely need it (like collecting reviews for EB1A).

【在 l***d 的大作中提到】
: 实验基本上是我一个人做的,idea也是自己的,paper也是自己写的,老板就看了看修
: 改,我想当共同corresponding author,不知道可不可以?怎么和老板提?谢谢了。

c***p
发帖数: 66
7
You should be very careful with this issue. if it was your idea, your funding, your work, why did your call him 老板? If he did not hire you, would you still be able to get the work done?
Small tricks like this will not benefit, but rather hurt you in a long run. Look at the big names. How many of them published papers as corresponding author when they were students or postdocs?
k*****o
发帖数: 1486
8
Anyway, you should never use the reason "I came out with the idea; I did the
experiments; I wrote the paper..." when you are negotiating with your boss.
Politely explain that you're looking for a faculty position, so it will
look really good on your resume, just like Dr. XXX...got ... position..
One of my colleague did that and worked well, and he's got the last name (co
-corresponding author) with my boss as the second last.
y******8
发帖数: 1764
9
就算你是corresponding author,只要一看文章的资助是谁出的,就知道谁是最重要的
作者。现在biomedical研究就是烧钱,所以谁出钱,谁最大。
有一些小的纯理论的分支,就很容易出现学生做corresponding author的例子。
p******i
发帖数: 1092
10
为啥不行?就说对将来申请PI职位有帮助……

【在 l***d 的大作中提到】
: 实验基本上是我一个人做的,idea也是自己的,paper也是自己写的,老板就看了看修
: 改,我想当共同corresponding author,不知道可不可以?怎么和老板提?谢谢了。

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p*****m
发帖数: 7030
11
funding和是不是corresponding author没关系吧 首先。老板是说他搞了funding,
corresponding authorship是说明谁要为文章的联系负责,也可以用来说明谁给文章的
智力因素做了最大贡献(这个未必如此了 我之前也提过 有些领域惯例就是1st=
corresponding author的),这两者不用非要是一个人吧。
已经成名的牛人里面 早年经常搞corresponding author的也挺多呀 举个简单的例子好
了 前几年英年早逝的Larry Katz,在Wiesel lab的paper是的 (Katz那里出来的人 像
Michael Fe, Ed Callaway, 罗敏敏 在那里的paper也都是自己的通讯作者);再有,
现在红得发烫的Karl Desseroth,和Robert Malenka发的是co-corresponding author
的paper。这个事情好处是很有限的,但是hurt这个好像无论如何不至于吧?

funding, your work, why did your call him 老板? If he did not hire you,
would you still be able to get the work done?
. Look at the big names. How many of them published papers as corresponding
author when they were students or postdocs?

【在 c***p 的大作中提到】
: You should be very careful with this issue. if it was your idea, your funding, your work, why did your call him 老板? If he did not hire you, would you still be able to get the work done?
: Small tricks like this will not benefit, but rather hurt you in a long run. Look at the big names. How many of them published papers as corresponding author when they were students or postdocs?
:

c***p
发帖数: 66
12
larry's single author Sciece paper is a "legend" now.
But how many new PI's got their job due to the co-corresponding authorship?
Please ask around but not just use your imagination.
I would rather focus on the paper itself and try to get it published in a
high profil journal. This will help you to get a job.
P****d
发帖数: 564
13
For an interesting socioligical analysis of how credits are given in science
, see
http://www.garfield.library.upenn.edu/merton/matthew1.pdf
As long as your mentor is the last author of the paper, nobody pays
attention to whose name carries that little star of correspondence. Even
after you become independent and become the last author of your paper, your
credit will be reduced if your mentor's name is on it. Earning the
recognition by your peers, who will offer you jobs, review your papers and
write letters for your tenure, is tricky. Fortunately, there's a backtrack
mechanism as Merton described in the article above.
y******8
发帖数: 1764
14
The funding and corresponding authorship have the strongest correlation, if
you take the whole biomedical research as a pool. But, in some areas, like
evolution, the intellectual contribution could weigh more than it in
experimental biology. Thus, it makes sense for the senior authorship.
However, there are always exceptions. I know some very wet labs have the
tradition for students as corresponding. But, I think it is purely due to
the specific lab culture, and can not stand in general.

author

【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: funding和是不是corresponding author没关系吧 首先。老板是说他搞了funding,
: corresponding authorship是说明谁要为文章的联系负责,也可以用来说明谁给文章的
: 智力因素做了最大贡献(这个未必如此了 我之前也提过 有些领域惯例就是1st=
: corresponding author的),这两者不用非要是一个人吧。
: 已经成名的牛人里面 早年经常搞corresponding author的也挺多呀 举个简单的例子好
: 了 前几年英年早逝的Larry Katz,在Wiesel lab的paper是的 (Katz那里出来的人 像
: Michael Fe, Ed Callaway, 罗敏敏 在那里的paper也都是自己的通讯作者);再有,
: 现在红得发烫的Karl Desseroth,和Robert Malenka发的是co-corresponding author
: 的paper。这个事情好处是很有限的,但是hurt这个好像无论如何不至于吧?
:

p*****m
发帖数: 7030
15
这个我当然同意了 所谓的co-corresponding authorship的作用肯定是没有或者很小的
我就是不太同意有hurt的说法而已 呵呵

the first author only or first and co-corresponding author does not really
matter. Please ask the people in your search committee about the impact of
the co-corresponding authorship and how likely they will pick the one with a
co-corresponding authorship of a PNAS paper, not to mention if there is
another candidate in the pool with a first, but non-corresponding authorship
of a multiple authors’ Cell paper.
to get it published in a high profile journal. That will benefit your career
. It will hurt you if you keep spending too much time/thoughts on nonsense
issues.
demonstrate a luck of common sense. If you are eager to discuss this with
your boss, you can say it is important for GC application …, but all APs
will get a GC paid by the school, this is another story.

【在 c***p 的大作中提到】
: larry's single author Sciece paper is a "legend" now.
: But how many new PI's got their job due to the co-corresponding authorship?
: Please ask around but not just use your imagination.
: I would rather focus on the paper itself and try to get it published in a
: high profil journal. This will help you to get a job.

p*****m
发帖数: 7030
16
我是说corresponding authorship“应该”和funding mechanism分开考虑才对 现实当
然是谁有钱谁corresponding 这个本来不应该是这样的。。

if

【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: The funding and corresponding authorship have the strongest correlation, if
: you take the whole biomedical research as a pool. But, in some areas, like
: evolution, the intellectual contribution could weigh more than it in
: experimental biology. Thus, it makes sense for the senior authorship.
: However, there are always exceptions. I know some very wet labs have the
: tradition for students as corresponding. But, I think it is purely due to
: the specific lab culture, and can not stand in general.
:
: author

s******a
发帖数: 252
17
You better not.
It's really a lab culture thing, as folks upstairs have said.
Just to show off, I had 2 major papers from my Ph.D study. My advisor gave
me both corresponding authorships without me asking for anything. So, the
key is to have a nice boss ;D
b******d
发帖数: 149
18

gave
the
Putting graduate student/postdoc as co-corresponding author also release
the burden of future reagent requests and communication stuff. PI could
just let graduate student/postdoc take care of it in the future.
Corresponding authorship is NOT for nothing :)

【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: You better not.
: It's really a lab culture thing, as folks upstairs have said.
: Just to show off, I had 2 major papers from my Ph.D study. My advisor gave
: me both corresponding authorships without me asking for anything. So, the
: key is to have a nice boss ;D

f**u
发帖数: 346
19
理想状态下我觉得这种情况你应该是唯一的corresponding author, 而不是共同。
甚至是唯一作者都不为过,如果所有试验也都是你自己做的。
如果你想要争取credit,还有个办法就是在author contribution上面写详细点。

【在 l***d 的大作中提到】
: 实验基本上是我一个人做的,idea也是自己的,paper也是自己写的,老板就看了看修
: 改,我想当共同corresponding author,不知道可不可以?怎么和老板提?谢谢了。

h****u
发帖数: 480
20

甚至是唯一作者都不为过? Are you from a different planet or taking some
recreational drugs?

【在 f**u 的大作中提到】
: 理想状态下我觉得这种情况你应该是唯一的corresponding author, 而不是共同。
: 甚至是唯一作者都不为过,如果所有试验也都是你自己做的。
: 如果你想要争取credit,还有个办法就是在author contribution上面写详细点。

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