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Biology版 - 如果拿到一个R01,我是 Co-PI, 可以claim我拿了R01吗?
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F****8
发帖数: 289
1
11th percentile, new investigator.(JIT is requested today)
我是个Co-PI(另一个人是PD/PI),如果拿到了,我可以对外称我拿了R01吗?
菜鸟问题,板砖轻拍。
A******y
发帖数: 2041
2
Yes, you can claim it on your CV but your got to say that you are Co-PI.
Btw, what institute is your R01? JTI is sent to all grants less than 40%.
If it is NCI, sorry, you won't get it. You need to be at 7 or lower to get
it. There is no new investigator bonus in NCI. Here is a quick summary
link to funding payline:
http://writedit.wordpress.com/nih-paylines-resources/
g*****n
发帖数: 250
3
OF COURSE (if you are not a co-investigator. There is a difference between
co-I and co-PI)
F****8
发帖数: 289
4
多谢回复。恕不告知institute。NIH。



【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you can claim it on your CV but your got to say that you are Co-PI.
: Btw, what institute is your R01? JTI is sent to all grants less than 40%.
: If it is NCI, sorry, you won't get it. You need to be at 7 or lower to get
: it. There is no new investigator bonus in NCI. Here is a quick summary
: link to funding payline:
: http://writedit.wordpress.com/nih-paylines-resources/

F****8
发帖数: 289
5
I am a co-PI. Thank you.

【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】
: OF COURSE (if you are not a co-investigator. There is a difference between
: co-I and co-PI)

g*****n
发帖数: 250
6
That is certainly your R01.
s********n
发帖数: 1124
7
NIH does not use the term "Co-PI". Only "Multiple PI" is used, in which case
, both PIs have equal power on the grant.
Of course, you are the PI, and it's your grant.
s********n
发帖数: 1124
8
问题是,你干嘛做multiple PI呢?
这样你再写你自己独立的R01的时候,你的new investigator身份就没有了,因为你已
经用过了。
A******y
发帖数: 2041
9
Most people didn't realize how little money R01 has. If you get full
funding, you literally only have a enough money for a post-doc and a tech.
If you are half of a R01, you will probably only have 50k left a year in the
end after you took your 50%.

【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: 问题是,你干嘛做multiple PI呢?
: 这样你再写你自己独立的R01的时候,你的new investigator身份就没有了,因为你已
: 经用过了。

Q**********r
发帖数: 214
10
你确信?
据我所知,NIH并不正式承认co-PI,具体体现在NIH的数据库里不记录co-PI. NIH
director亲口告诉我co-PI不能认为拥有grant。当然你可以写在你的CV里。
请注意,co-PI和multi-PI是完全不同的概念,后者是正式的PI, REPORTER里可以查到。

【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】
: OF COURSE (if you are not a co-investigator. There is a difference between
: co-I and co-PI)

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Q**********r
发帖数: 214
11
This post is right. co-PI is not a formal role recognized by NIH, it is
rather a word created by senior investigators to please junior people. NIH
only recognize multi-PI. If you're multi-PI of a grant, you no longer
qualify for ESI or
NI credit. Being co-PI of a grant does not cost you these two status,
because NIH does not recognize co-PI.

case

【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: NIH does not use the term "Co-PI". Only "Multiple PI" is used, in which case
: , both PIs have equal power on the grant.
: Of course, you are the PI, and it's your grant.

g*****n
发帖数: 250
12
What are you talking about? The NIH and every institution recognize co-pi
with equal power and credit. "Multiple PI" is the mechanism; "co-pi" is the
role of the person.
Z**S
发帖数: 1211
13
I think Questionster is correct and you are wrong.

the

【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】
: What are you talking about? The NIH and every institution recognize co-pi
: with equal power and credit. "Multiple PI" is the mechanism; "co-pi" is the
: role of the person.

l***s
发帖数: 841
14
Definitely wrong.

the

【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】
: What are you talking about? The NIH and every institution recognize co-pi
: with equal power and credit. "Multiple PI" is the mechanism; "co-pi" is the
: role of the person.

s*********l
发帖数: 204
15
I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary
data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a
senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should
not...but will have little chance to get a grant.
s********n
发帖数: 1124
16
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard!

【在 s*********l 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary
: data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a
: senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should
: not...but will have little chance to get a grant.

s*******e
发帖数: 740
17
千万不要干这种傻事!
其实原贴主的问题很简单,认清grant的本质立刻就能知道答案。grant的本质是什么?
钱呗。你是否算拥有grant就看你能否独立拥有和支配grant里的钱,哪怕是其中的一部
分钱。co-pi为什么不能算拥有grant?因为nih把所有的budget都打到pi的account里,
没有pi的同意co-pi一分钱也用不了。如果co-pi要换工作grant里的钱当然也不能带走
一分。multi-pi就不同了,有自己独立的budget,要换工作也可以把钱带走无需经过另
一位pi的同意。
想清楚这个你就知道要不要把自己proposal给别人做pi自己只做co-pi了。这样即使拿
到了grant你自己也什么都得不到,钱都到别人口袋里去了。

【在 s*********l 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary
: data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a
: senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should
: not...but will have little chance to get a grant.

p*l
发帖数: 1359
18
做科研最基本的要求是自信,你既然决定要做这个新领域,就该有足够的自信去
做自己项目的PI。

【在 s*********l 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary
: data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a
: senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should
: not...but will have little chance to get a grant.

p*l
发帖数: 1359
19
是的,NIH的申请表上根本没co-PI这个选项,除了PI就是co-Investigator。如果一个
项目列了两个PI,那么这个项目就算是multi-PI的项目了。co-Investigator对项目经
费没自由支配能力,PI才有,co-I的钱是PI subcontract出去的。

【在 Q**********r 的大作中提到】
: This post is right. co-PI is not a formal role recognized by NIH, it is
: rather a word created by senior investigators to please junior people. NIH
: only recognize multi-PI. If you're multi-PI of a grant, you no longer
: qualify for ESI or
: NI credit. Being co-PI of a grant does not cost you these two status,
: because NIH does not recognize co-PI.
:
: case

F****8
发帖数: 289
20
You are right. My role is MPI in the first page of the application. In the "
Senior/Key Person Profile" page, every PI is equally listed as PD/PI include
myself.
Guess I can claim is my R01 if it gets funded. Thank you, and sorry for the
"co-PI" confusion. There is this one person is listed as contact PI, though.



【在 p*l 的大作中提到】
: 是的,NIH的申请表上根本没co-PI这个选项,除了PI就是co-Investigator。如果一个
: 项目列了两个PI,那么这个项目就算是multi-PI的项目了。co-Investigator对项目经
: 费没自由支配能力,PI才有,co-I的钱是PI subcontract出去的。

p*l
发帖数: 1359
21
如果你的insitute有new investigator的优惠,第一个R01做multi PI是有点划不来的
。拿第一个R01是个坎,续第一个或者拿第二个R01更是坎。等到你想去申自己
的R01的时候,reviewer会拿senior PI的要求衡量你。虽然现在搭着senior PI的顺
风车,拿到个半个R01,名声上很好听,但是你今后很可能为此付出很大的代价。

"
include
the
though.

【在 F****8 的大作中提到】
: You are right. My role is MPI in the first page of the application. In the "
: Senior/Key Person Profile" page, every PI is equally listed as PD/PI include
: myself.
: Guess I can claim is my R01 if it gets funded. Thank you, and sorry for the
: "co-PI" confusion. There is this one person is listed as contact PI, though.
:
:

s********n
发帖数: 1124
22
完全同意。所以宁愿做co-investigator拿点钱那个实惠,第一个R01是一定要自己独立
做PI完全掌控的。不然后面吃亏挺大的。

【在 p*l 的大作中提到】
: 如果你的insitute有new investigator的优惠,第一个R01做multi PI是有点划不来的
: 。拿第一个R01是个坎,续第一个或者拿第二个R01更是坎。等到你想去申自己
: 的R01的时候,reviewer会拿senior PI的要求衡量你。虽然现在搭着senior PI的顺
: 风车,拿到个半个R01,名声上很好听,但是你今后很可能为此付出很大的代价。
:
: "
: include
: the
: though.

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