o****u
发帖数: 214 | 1 Imperial College London的Stefan Grimm教授逝去了，邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照
他的设定，自动群发了一封题为“How Professors are treated at Imperial College
”的邮件；读完让人唏嘘。为了保持原汁原味，我就直接引用英文。
邮件原文如下：
From: Stefan Grimm <[email protected]
/* */>
Date: 21 October 2014 23:41:03 BST
To:
Subject: How Professors are treated at Imperial College
Dear all,
If anyone is interested how Professors are treated at Imperial College: Here
is my story.
On May 30th ’13 my boss, Prof Martin Wilkins, came into my office together
with his PA and ask me what grants I had. After I enumerated them I was told
that this was not enough and that I had to leave the College within one
year – “max” as he said. He made it clear that he was acting on behalf of
Prof Gavin Screaton, the then head of the Department of Medicine, and told
me that I would have a meeting with him soon to be sacked. Without any
further comment he left my office. It was only then that I realized that he
did not even have the courtesy to close the door of my office when he
delivered this message. When I turned around the corner I saw a student who
seems to have overheard the conversation looking at me in utter horror.
Prof Wilkins had nothing better to do than immediately inform my colleagues
in the Section that he had just sacked me.
Why does a Professor have to be treated like that?
All my grant writing stopped afterwards, as I was waiting for the meeting to
get sacked by Prof Screaton. This meeting, however, never took place.
In March ’14 I then received the ultimatum email below. 200,000 pounds
research income every year is required. Very interesting. I was never
informed about this before and cannot remember that this is part of my
contract with the College. Especially interesting is the fact that the
required 200,000.- pounds could potentially also be covered by smaller
grants but in my case a programme grant was expected.
Our 135,000.- pounds from the University of Dammam? Doesn’t count. I have
to say that it was a lovely situation to submit grant applications for your
own survival with such a deadline. We all know what a lottery grant
applications are.
There was talk that the Department had accepted to be in dept for some time
and would compensate this through more teaching. So I thought that I would
survive. But the email below indicates otherwise. I got this after the
student for whom I “have plans” received the official admission to the
College as a PhD student. He waited so long to work in our group and I will
never be able to tell him that this should now not happen. What these guys
don’t know is that they destroy lives. Well, they certainly destroyed mine.
The reality is that these career scientists up in the hierarchy of this
organization only look at figures to judge their colleagues, be it impact
factors or grant income. After all, how can you convince your Department
head that you are working on something exciting if he not even attends the
regular Departmental seminars? The aim is only to keep up the finances of
their Departments for their own career advancement.
These formidable leaders are playing an interesting game: They hire
scientists from other countries to submit the work that they did abroad
under completely different conditions for the Research Assessment that is
supposed to gauge the performance of British universities. Afterwards they
leave them alone to either perform with grants or being kicked out. Even if
your work is submitted to this Research Assessment and brings in money for
the university, you are targeted if your grant income is deemed insufficient
. Those submitted to the research assessment hence support those colleagues
who are unproductive but have grants. Grant income is all that counts here,
not scientific output.
We had four papers with original data this year so far, in Cell Death and
Differentiation, Oncogene, Journal of Cell Science and, as I informed Prof
Wilkins this week, one accepted with the EMBO Journal. I was also the editor
of a book and wrote two reviews. Doesn’t count.
This leads to a interesting spin to the old saying “publish or perish”.
Here it is “publish and perish”.
Did I regret coming to this place? I enormously enjoyed interacting with my
science colleagues here, but like many of them, I fell into the trap of
confusing the reputation of science here with the present reality. This is
not a university anymore but a business with very few up in the hierarchy,
like our formidable duo, profiteering and the rest of us are milked for
money, be it professors for their grant income or students who pay 100.-
pounds just to extend their write-up status.
If anyone believes that I feel what my excellent coworkers and I have
accomplished here over the years is inferior to other work, is wrong. With
our apoptosis genes and the concept of Anticancer Genes we have developed
something that is probably much more exciting than most other projects,
including those that are heavily supported by grants.
Was I perhaps too lazy? My boss smugly told me that I was actually the one
professor on the whole campus who had submitted the highest number of grant
applications. Well, they were probably simply not good enough.
I am by far not the only one who is targeted by those formidable guys. These
colleagues only keep quiet out of shame about their situation. Which is
wrong. As we all know hitting the sweet spot in bioscience is simply a
matter of luck, both for grant applications and publications.
Why does a Professor have to be treated like that?
One of my colleagues here at the College whom I told my story looked at me,
there was a silence, and then said: “Yes, they treat us like sh*t”.
Best regards,
Stefan Grimm | s******c
发帖数: 331 | 2 This is Crazy. Four publications in one year, Cell death and
differentiation, Oncogene, J of Cell Science and EMBO J, and still got
kicked out bib the university. People complain about the funding situation
in US. But I have never seen people who are so productive could not get
enough funding in US. | A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 3 It is very sad news, but based on pubmed (his google scholar showed a lot
more), he is not productive at all for a professor. Anyone know why pubmed
doesn't show all publications. | K**4
发帖数: 1015 | 4 无语。
College
/* */>
Here
【在 o****u 的大作中提到】
: Imperial College London的Stefan Grimm教授逝去了，邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照
: 他的设定，自动群发了一封题为“How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: ”的邮件；读完让人唏嘘。为了保持原汁原味，我就直接引用英文。
: 邮件原文如下：
: From: Stefan Grimm <[email protected]
: /* */>
: Date: 21 October 2014 23:41:03 BST
: To:
: Subject: How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: Dear all,
| o****u
发帖数: 214 | 5 欧洲情况只会比美国惨。EU公开的竞争性经费，比如ERC Grant申请成功率现在还不到7
%。
当然，和其他地方一样。大牛们有另外自己的小圈子分钱。布鲁塞尔经常出来一些另人
瞠目结舌的项目。几千万欧的经费就被内部定向分掉了。
【在 s******c 的大作中提到】
: This is Crazy. Four publications in one year, Cell death and
: differentiation, Oncogene, J of Cell Science and EMBO J, and still got
: kicked out bib the university. People complain about the funding situation
: in US. But I have never seen people who are so productive could not get
: enough funding in US.
| M****o
发帖数: 4860 | 6 跟publish没关系
only money talks
阴蒂学校的穷途末路
College
/* */>
Here
【在 o****u 的大作中提到】
: Imperial College London的Stefan Grimm教授逝去了，邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照
: 他的设定，自动群发了一封题为“How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: ”的邮件；读完让人唏嘘。为了保持原汁原味，我就直接引用英文。
: 邮件原文如下：
: From: Stefan Grimm <[email protected]
: /* */>
: Date: 21 October 2014 23:41:03 BST
: To:
: Subject: How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: Dear all,
| H****N
发帖数: 997 | 7 Because in many of his publications, he used just S Grimm, instead of his
full name.
pubmed
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: It is very sad news, but based on pubmed (his google scholar showed a lot
: more), he is not productive at all for a professor. Anyone know why pubmed
: doesn't show all publications.
| a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 8 不值得自杀啊。
College
/* */>
Here
【在 o****u 的大作中提到】
: Imperial College London的Stefan Grimm教授逝去了，邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照
: 他的设定，自动群发了一封题为“How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: ”的邮件；读完让人唏嘘。为了保持原汁原味，我就直接引用英文。
: 邮件原文如下：
: From: Stefan Grimm <[email protected]
: /* */>
: Date: 21 October 2014 23:41:03 BST
: To:
: Subject: How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: Dear all,
| M****o
发帖数: 4860 | 9 it didn't say it was suicide?
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 不值得自杀啊。
:
: College
: /* */>
: Here
| o****u
发帖数: 214 | 10 为了防止人模仿，欧洲不成文的媒体规则是非公众人物的自杀一律不报导死因。从这个
报导的字里行间和帝国理工宣布要调查死因基本可以判断出来是怎么回事
【在 M****o 的大作中提到】
: it didn't say it was suicide?
| | | s******r
发帖数: 1245 | 11 英国没有天牛的吗？怎么没钱就要滚蛋
他这样的即便不在IC，随便换个学校也能混的下去吧，太可惜了
College
/* */>
Here
【在 o****u 的大作中提到】
: Imperial College London的Stefan Grimm教授逝去了，邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照
: 他的设定，自动群发了一封题为“How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: ”的邮件；读完让人唏嘘。为了保持原汁原味，我就直接引用英文。
: 邮件原文如下：
: From: Stefan Grimm <[email protected]
: /* */>
: Date: 21 October 2014 23:41:03 BST
: To:
: Subject: How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: Dear all,
| M****o
发帖数: 4860 | | o****u
发帖数: 214 | 13 没有可能。在IC这样的平台都找不到钱，去别的地儿就更不可能申请到FUNDING了。没
有学校会愿意接收一个不能带来OVERHEAD的中年人的。
欧洲从来就没有美国那样的tenure制度。以前教授是公务员序列，所以几乎不可能被开
除，相当于实质性的终身教职。但是现在经济不行，各大学就开始搞各式各样的开除人
了。
【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 英国没有天牛的吗？怎么没钱就要滚蛋
: 他这样的即便不在IC，随便换个学校也能混的下去吧，太可惜了
:
: College
: /* */>
: Here
| K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 14 邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照他的设定，自动群发
then he must have known when he would pass away, which is even less likely.
【在 M****o 的大作中提到】
: it didn't say it was suicide?
| A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 15 Sounded like suicide, you don't create a committee if someone passed
naturally.
【在 M****o 的大作中提到】
: it didn't say it was suicide?
| D**p
发帖数: 185 | | l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 17 可以像闹表一样，每天都要去按一下。如果三天不按，闹表就认为人已经挂了，于是自
动群发。
【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: 邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照他的设定，自动群发
: then he must have known when he would pass away, which is even less likely.
| l******n
发帖数: 298 | 18 XXX这版块可以骂人吗？
兔死狗烹。
一方面可悲，可悲的是这个专业真的往死搞人。
一方面可笑，笑的是白人教授也被搞死（这人不是其他族裔的吧，肯定不想大陆的）
最后是可恨，恨自己傻逼呼呼的还搞科研。
令人费解的是，这系主任就是分钱委员会的主席啊，他要给点钱轻而易举。这小子肯定
是得罪领导了。没有推荐信，死路一条！ | s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 19 九月底开煤气自杀的。
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Sounded like suicide, you don't create a committee if someone passed
: naturally.
| v*******e
发帖数: 11604 | 20
pubmed
google scholar的不算，因为有很多force positive。我如果自己不去清理，我的
google scholer page文章要多好几倍。
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: It is very sad news, but based on pubmed (his google scholar showed a lot
: more), he is not productive at all for a professor. Anyone know why pubmed
: doesn't show all publications.
| | | F*Q
发帖数: 3259 | 21 学术界吃人，应该说是学术界的黑暗面吃人。像这种高曝光的黑暗面都不一定会被实质
性地改善的，更别说那些没怎么曝光但危害有很大的黑暗面，比如半奴隶半封建的体制
对大多数年轻人的束缚，还有屁儿review中的各种弊端包括剽窃、恶意棒杀竞争对手的
文章等等。
在FAQ看来，在学术界因为那个操蛋的体制，发CNS并不是什么big deal，拿诺奖也不一
定多么高尚，唯有那些愿意为改革那个操蛋的体制的人才值得称赞。遗憾的是，除了少
数像事件的主人公那样以命抗争的外，还没有人从立法层面去争取，那些一个个所谓的
稳拿，也只是极力为自己的小利在嚷嚷，对广大民众的根本利益根本不屑一顾。 | v***a
发帖数: 1242 | 22 太惨了
College
/* */>
Here
【在 o****u 的大作中提到】
: Imperial College London的Stefan Grimm教授逝去了，邮件系统在他逝去之后，按照
: 他的设定，自动群发了一封题为“How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: ”的邮件；读完让人唏嘘。为了保持原汁原味，我就直接引用英文。
: 邮件原文如下：
: From: Stefan Grimm <[email protected]
: /* */>
: Date: 21 October 2014 23:41:03 BST
: To:
: Subject: How Professors are treated at Imperial College
: Dear all,
| C*********h
发帖数: 83 | 23 大致读了文章的摘要，应该是cell death领域的同行，做的方向主要还是apoptosis的
下游，呼吸链如何影响apoptosis的，以及cancer specific apoptosis以及ER-
mitochondria contact。
从Grimm的文章来看，他即便不是杰出的科学家，也是一个decent scientist。希望他
Rest in Peace.
如这篇review，citation 139.
The permeability transition pore in cell death.
Apoptosis. 2007 May;12(5):841-55. Review
这篇2011的EMBO J的citation是 81
Fis1 and Bap31 bridge the mitochondria-ER interface to establish a platform
for apoptosis induction
Apoptosis重要的东西基本都做的差不多了，确实没什么可以做的。大lab都在做
physiology,做各种小鼠模型。Grimm凭一己之力做机理，确实是相当困难的。
所有文章列表：
1: Pazarentzos E, Mahul-Mellier AL, Datler C, Chaisaklert W, Hwang MS, Kroon
J,
Qize D, Osborne F, Al-Rubaish A, Al-Ali A, Mazarakis ND, Aboagye EO, Grimm S.
IκΒα inhibits apoptosis at the outer mitochondrial membrane independently
of
NF-κB retention. EMBO J. 2014 Dec 1;33(23):2814-28. doi: 10.15252/embj.
201488183.
Epub 2014 Oct 31. PubMed PMID: 25361605.
2: AbuAli G, Grimm S. Isolation and characterization of the anticancer gene
organic cation transporter like-3 (ORCTL3). Adv Exp Med Biol. 2014;818:213-
27.
doi: 10.1007/978-1-4471-6458-6_11. PubMed PMID: 25001539.
3: Grimm S. Introduction. Adv Exp Med Biol. 2014;818:1-8. doi:
10.1007/978-1-4471-6458-6_1. PubMed PMID: 25001529.
4: Hwang MS, Rohlena J, Dong LF, Neuzil J, Grimm S. Powerhouse down: Complex
II
dissociation in the respiratory chain. Mitochondrion. 2014 Nov;19 Pt A:20-8.
doi:
10.1016/j.mito.2014.06.001. Epub 2014 Jun 13. PubMed PMID: 24933571.
5: Datler C, Pazarentzos E, Mahul-Mellier AL, Chaisaklert W, Hwang MS,
Osborne F,
Grimm S. CKMT1 regulates the mitochondrial permeability transition pore in a
process that provides evidence for alternative forms of the complex. J Cell
Sci.
2014 Apr 15;127(Pt 8):1816-28. doi: 10.1242/jcs.140467. Epub 2014 Feb 12.
PubMed
PMID: 24522192; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC3986677.
6: Datler C, Grimm S. Reconstitution of CKMT1 expression fails to rescue
cells
from mitochondrial membrane potential dissipation: implications for
controlling
RNAi experiments. Biochim Biophys Acta. 2013 Dec;1833(12):2844-55. doi:
10.1016/j.bbamcr.2013.07.006. Epub 2013 Jul 21. PubMed PMID: 23880370.
7: Grimm S. Respiratory chain complex II as general sensor for apoptosis.
Biochim
Biophys Acta. 2013 May;1827(5):565-72. doi: 10.1016/j.bbabio.2012.09.009.
Epub
2012 Sep 18. Review. PubMed PMID: 23000077.
8: Grimm S. Dissecting mitochondrial apoptosis pathways by gain-of-function
cell
culture screens. Mitochondrion. 2013 May;13(3):189-94. doi:
10.1016/j.mito.2012.06.001. Epub 2012 Jun 9. Review. PubMed PMID: 22691408.
9: Mahul-Mellier AL, Datler C, Pazarentzos E, Lin B, Chaisaklert W, Abuali G,
Grimm S. De-ubiquitinating proteases USP2a and USP2c cause apoptosis by
stabilising RIP1. Biochim Biophys Acta. 2012 Aug;1823(8):1353-65. doi:
10.1016/j.bbamcr.2012.05.022. Epub 2012 May 30. PubMed PMID: 22659130.
10: Grimm S. The ER-mitochondria interface: the social network of cell death.
Biochim Biophys Acta. 2012 Feb;1823(2):327-34. doi: 10.1016/j.bbamcr.2011.11
.018.
Epub 2011 Dec 13. Review. PubMed PMID: 22182703.
11: Iwasawa R, Mahul-Mellier AL, Datler C, Pazarentzos E, Grimm S. Fis1 and
Bap31
bridge the mitochondria-ER interface to establish a platform for apoptosis
induction. EMBO J. 2011 Feb 2;30(3):556-68. doi: 10.1038/emboj.2010.346.
Epub
2010 Dec 24. PubMed PMID: 21183955; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC3034017.
12: Grimm S, Noteborn M. Anticancer genes: inducers of tumour-specific cell
death
signalling. Trends Mol Med. 2010 Feb;16(2):88-96. doi:
10.1016/j.molmed.2009.12.002. Review. PubMed PMID: 20138582.
13: Lemarie A, Grimm S. Mutations in the heme b-binding residue of SDHC
inhibit
assembly of respiratory chain complex II in mammalian cells. Mitochondrion.
2009
Jul;9(4):254-60. doi: 10.1016/j.mito.2009.03.004. Epub 2009 Mar 28. PubMed
PMID:
19332149.
14: Grimm S, Lin B. Genetic cell culture screens reveal mitochondrial
apoptosis
control. Front Biosci (Landmark Ed). 2009 Jan 1;14:1471-8. Review. PubMed
PMID:
19273140.
15: Grimm S, Brdiczka D. The permeability transition pore in cell death.
Apoptosis. 2007 May;12(5):841-55. Review. PubMed PMID: 17453156.
pubmed
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: It is very sad news, but based on pubmed (his google scholar showed a lot
: more), he is not productive at all for a professor. Anyone know why pubmed
: doesn't show all publications.
| p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 24 大家都为创造良好的科研环境而奋斗吧。。。
开个google那样的公司是正事。
【在 F*Q 的大作中提到】
: 学术界吃人，应该说是学术界的黑暗面吃人。像这种高曝光的黑暗面都不一定会被实质
: 性地改善的，更别说那些没怎么曝光但危害有很大的黑暗面，比如半奴隶半封建的体制
: 对大多数年轻人的束缚，还有屁儿review中的各种弊端包括剽窃、恶意棒杀竞争对手的
: 文章等等。
: 在FAQ看来，在学术界因为那个操蛋的体制，发CNS并不是什么big deal，拿诺奖也不一
: 定多么高尚，唯有那些愿意为改革那个操蛋的体制的人才值得称赞。遗憾的是，除了少
: 数像事件的主人公那样以命抗争的外，还没有人从立法层面去争取，那些一个个所谓的
: 稳拿，也只是极力为自己的小利在嚷嚷，对广大民众的根本利益根本不屑一顾。
|
|
