b****s
发帖数: 472 | 1 both vul, holding
K8 A8 A965 AKT97
as North, bidding goes as follows:
W N E S
1S X(1) - 3H (2)
- 3N(3) - 4H (4)
- ?(5)
South hand: 765 KQT63 4 Q863
Question:
(1) should N X?
(2) does South have enough to bid 3H?
(3) do you agree with North 3N?
(4) at this point, South should know that North has a big hand, but no 4-
card heart suit. North is likely to have a minor suit or suits. Should
South correct to 4H with such a H suit?
(5) From North point of | S*****n
发帖数: 227 | 2 1) 北的牌高花支持的差，第一次叫的时候为什么不是直接位置的1NT 15-18p?
5) 这个牌要是有slam, 看着也在C上，到5阶了还没找到C配合。hehe.
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: both vul, holding
: K8 A8 A965 AKT97
: as North, bidding goes as follows:
: W N E S
: 1S X(1) - 3H (2)
: - 3N(3) - 4H (4)
: - ?(5)
: South hand: 765 KQT63 4 Q863
: Question:
: (1) should N X?
| b****s
发帖数: 472 | 3 I play 1n direct overcall shows 2 stoppers. S Kx and 2245 shape
don't seem right for 1n.
the ideal bidding would be:
(1s) X - 2H
- 3C - 4C
- ...
what would you bid with N or S's hands?
【在 S*****n 的大作中提到】
: 1) 北的牌高花支持的差，第一次叫的时候为什么不是直接位置的1NT 15-18p?
: 5) 这个牌要是有slam, 看着也在C上，到5阶了还没找到C配合。hehe.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 4 double is ok to me cause my NT overcall style is weaker than standard
treatment.
Over 4H, you should usually pass, partner has pretty much bid his hand
if he has slam interest after you have shown a big hand, he can
bid something other than 4H. ofcourse you may miss some magic 6H facing
xx KQJxxx xx Qxx, but you have little way to find that out and 5 level
may not be safe. IMO, 3H can be bid with KQJxxx alone with nothing else.
If he holds xx KQJxxx xxx xx, you certainly don't feel good after a
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: both vul, holding
: K8 A8 A965 AKT97
: as North, bidding goes as follows:
: W N E S
: 1S X(1) - 3H (2)
: - 3N(3) - 4H (4)
: - ?(5)
: South hand: 765 KQT63 4 Q863
: Question:
: (1) should N X?
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 5 I think most bids were wrong, but it really started from the double. Double
should emphasize shape, off-shape doubles should be used only when there is
no alternative. Here you have two reasonable alternatives: 1NT or 2C (yes,
you are allowed to make 2-level overcalls up to 18 hcp).
The major problem of double here is on space. If you plan on bidding NT
after double, you would have to do it at 2-level facing a possibly 0-count
partner. If the hand is like A965 / A8 / AKT97 / K6, and the opening
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: both vul, holding
: K8 A8 A965 AKT97
: as North, bidding goes as follows:
: W N E S
: 1S X(1) - 3H (2)
: - 3N(3) - 4H (4)
: - ?(5)
: South hand: 765 KQT63 4 Q863
: Question:
: (1) should N X?
| o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 6 我觉的4C是不能叫的，3H已经略有点overbid了
4C明显传递的是满贯兴趣
4H只要pd有带大牌的双张红心就基本没什么问题
Double
is
was 1C, double may be reasonable, since you can bid 1NT if partner bids 1H.
.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: I think most bids were wrong, but it really started from the double. Double
: should emphasize shape, off-shape doubles should be used only when there is
: no alternative. Here you have two reasonable alternatives: 1NT or 2C (yes,
: you are allowed to make 2-level overcalls up to 18 hcp).
: The major problem of double here is on space. If you plan on bidding NT
: after double, you would have to do it at 2-level facing a possibly 0-count
: partner. If the hand is like A965 / A8 / AKT97 / K6, and the opening
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 7 I agree most of the bids, except for 4h.
think about it.
x strongly suggest H suite, after pd's 3h, bid 3nt???
then it is not H suite, what it is?
most likely it is a strong hand, and very likely, a handle can not bid 1nt
directly.
consider you have 18-22 points with a balanced hand...
so now the question become, what to bid next?
pass seems to be the only choice. unless you want to gamble.
4c will be a slight overbid, but won't cause disaster, if you are behind
already.... | x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 8 just trying to understand your system.
if you have a balanced hand, stronger than 1nt, and use 3nt as gambling,
2nt as minors...
what do you bid?
Double
is
was 1C, double may be reasonable, since you can bid 1NT if partner bids 1H.
.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: I think most bids were wrong, but it really started from the double. Double
: should emphasize shape, off-shape doubles should be used only when there is
: no alternative. Here you have two reasonable alternatives: 1NT or 2C (yes,
: you are allowed to make 2-level overcalls up to 18 hcp).
: The major problem of double here is on space. If you plan on bidding NT
: after double, you would have to do it at 2-level facing a possibly 0-count
: partner. If the hand is like A965 / A8 / AKT97 / K6, and the opening
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 9 4C cannot be slam interest. 3H is not forcing, so advancer's hand is limited
. It is just a second suit, showing no more value than what 3H showed, but
emphasize the unbalance nature of the hand. It just says that you think
other games are better than 3NT.
【在 o*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉的4C是不能叫的，3H已经略有点overbid了
: 4C明显传递的是满贯兴趣
: 4H只要pd有带大牌的双张红心就基本没什么问题
:
: Double
: is
: was 1C, double may be reasonable, since you can bid 1NT if partner bids 1H.
: .
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 10 Double then bid NT at minimal level. However, due to space consideration, "
stronger than 1nt" is a relative term. I think if RHO opens 1C or 1D, 1NT
overcall shows 15 to bad 18. If RHO opens 1H/1S, 1NT can be a little heavier
, since the alternative (double then bidding NT) will force our side to 2NT
or higher.
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: just trying to understand your system.
: if you have a balanced hand, stronger than 1nt, and use 3nt as gambling,
: 2nt as minors...
: what do you bid?
:
: Double
: is
: was 1C, double may be reasonable, since you can bid 1NT if partner bids 1H.
: .
| | | a****s
发帖数: 524 | 11 1. don't like the double, off shape and not strong enough to push at 3 level
,
1NT much better. the need 2 stoppers argument doesn't make sense.
2. 3H overbid, just switch clubs and diamonds in north's hand, you know what
I mean. people usually biased when see 2 hands, not every time you
singleton facing Axxx and your Q facing AKTxx.
2H is sufficient, partner will make a move with a good 15 counts.
3. 3N awkward, but you force yourself into that situation by not bidding 1NT
the
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: both vul, holding
: K8 A8 A965 AKT97
: as North, bidding goes as follows:
: W N E S
: 1S X(1) - 3H (2)
: - 3N(3) - 4H (4)
: - ?(5)
: South hand: 765 KQT63 4 Q863
: Question:
: (1) should N X?
| b****s
发帖数: 472 | 12 rite, if by partnership agreement, 3H could be that weak,
I'm not going to explore slam after 4H.
with xx KQJxxx xxx xx, converting 3NT to 4H makes perfect sense.
It likely makes many more tricks in 4H than in 3NT.
but with xx KQxxx x Qxxx, no point in converting, I feel.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: double is ok to me cause my NT overcall style is weaker than standard
: treatment.
: Over 4H, you should usually pass, partner has pretty much bid his hand
: if he has slam interest after you have shown a big hand, he can
: bid something other than 4H. ofcourse you may miss some magic 6H facing
: xx KQJxxx xx Qxx, but you have little way to find that out and 5 level
: may not be safe. IMO, 3H can be bid with KQJxxx alone with nothing else.
: If he holds xx KQJxxx xxx xx, you certainly don't feel good after a
| b****s
发帖数: 472 | 13 1N might be better, but it seems to me that 3H is unnecessary overbid. P
will move anyway with extra.
Double
is
was 1C, double may be reasonable, since you can bid 1NT if partner bids 1H.
.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: I think most bids were wrong, but it really started from the double. Double
: should emphasize shape, off-shape doubles should be used only when there is
: no alternative. Here you have two reasonable alternatives: 1NT or 2C (yes,
: you are allowed to make 2-level overcalls up to 18 hcp).
: The major problem of double here is on space. If you plan on bidding NT
: after double, you would have to do it at 2-level facing a possibly 0-count
: partner. If the hand is like A965 / A8 / AKT97 / K6, and the opening
| b****s
发帖数: 472 | 14 add 1 more J to North hand, and all original bids make sense now?
Kx Ax AJxx AKxxx
or would you bid 1N with this hand too?
heavier
2NT
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: Double then bid NT at minimal level. However, due to space consideration, "
: stronger than 1nt" is a relative term. I think if RHO opens 1C or 1D, 1NT
: overcall shows 15 to bad 18. If RHO opens 1H/1S, 1NT can be a little heavier
: , since the alternative (double then bidding NT) will force our side to 2NT
: or higher.
| b****s
发帖数: 472 | 15 1N seems better.
exactly. 3H unnessary overbid
1NT
the hope was that with 3H, p rated to have some points, and perhaps a spade
stopper :)
rite. if heart suit runs, 3N is also good; otherwise, we don't want to be
in 4H either. | b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 16 As I said, 3H is overbid, but 2H is underbid. 2H is more of an underbid than
3H as being overbid. Give partner total minimum hand like x / Axxx / Axxx /
Kxxx, 4H is favorite, but partner won't make a move over 2H. The key point
is that partner is supposed to be short in spades, and you have xxx there,
no wastage. You also have nice hearts (especially 5th H), CQ is probably
very useful too. All these make this hand closer to 3H than to 2H. I don't
know whether I will bid 2H or 3H at the table, bu
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: 1N might be better, but it seems to me that 3H is unnecessary overbid. P
: will move anyway with extra.
:
: Double
: is
: was 1C, double may be reasonable, since you can bid 1NT if partner bids 1H.
: .
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 17 With one more J, I probably still bid 1NT. Yes it is heavy, but spade
stopper is quite thin, so this is like a mediocre 19-count. Again, I chose
1NT mainly because if I double first I would have to bid at one level higher
later.
With one more Q, say Kx / Ax / AQxx / AKxxx, I would have to start with
double. I still won't feel good about it, but I have no alternative. With
the hand as is, 1NT is perfect alternative. It is absurd to double then bid
NT only because of insufficient stopper. The diff
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: add 1 more J to North hand, and all original bids make sense now?
: Kx Ax AJxx AKxxx
: or would you bid 1N with this hand too?
:
: heavier
: 2NT
| o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 18 3H是不forcing，好的8点到差的12点牌都可以叫
可3n显示的是强牌，一般来说19-21点
这个时候叫4C当然是有些满贯兴趣的牌，显示的应该是10点以上的双套牌
就如你所说，3H已经有点overbid的情况下，怎么还能叫4C去歪曲自己手上的牌力呢
limited
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 4C cannot be slam interest. 3H is not forcing, so advancer's hand is limited
: . It is just a second suit, showing no more value than what 3H showed, but
: emphasize the unbalance nature of the hand. It just says that you think
: other games are better than 3NT.
| o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 19
what
这点上我还是同意bucky的，尽管3H确实有点overbid，但2H叫得太弱了，pd的double只
要是正常的t/o，且没有废点在黑桃上，局基本就有了，叫2H肯定漏掉
1NT
1NT
停在3n肯定没有错，如果倒了，责任也算是北家的，但我认为4H还是有一定道理的
因为如果北家是黑桃A一止，而红桃上是jx或者jxx，3n肯定倒了，而即便在北家jx的情
况下
4H仍然有的做，但是改叫4H后，如果倒了，责任就是南家的
to
这点取决于怎么看待这个4H，像版主所说的红桃KQJxxx，叫了3H后，再3n，只能叫4H
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: 1. don't like the double, off shape and not strong enough to push at 3 level
: ,
: 1NT much better. the need 2 stoppers argument doesn't make sense.
: 2. 3H overbid, just switch clubs and diamonds in north's hand, you know what
: I mean. people usually biased when see 2 hands, not every time you
: singleton facing Axxx and your Q facing AKTxx.
:
: 2H is sufficient, partner will make a move with a good 15 counts.
: 3. 3N awkward, but you force yourself into that situation by not bidding 1NT
: the
| y**a
发帖数: 9065 | 20 我的double表示16以上任何牌型，1nt表示2stop平衡牌型,<15pts.
这里我会用north double, south 2H,北加倍以后，有义务再叫一次，3C,南有8pts+进
局实力，草花配合，S无费点，4D报控制，北4h,南5h,north 6C.
我的应叫方跳花色，表示不好于qjxxxxx的单花长套，以后不参与叫牌。NT无进手，旁
花弱支持，同伴根据自身牌力和支持情况选择最后订约。 |
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