x****a
发帖数: 110 | 1 这里很多MBA牛人，麻烦大家给我看看我的MBA和职业计划可否现实？
我是engineering背景，在一家美国公司做engineer,正在申请MBA,想毕业做
management consulting,尤其是给tech公司出谋划策的工作。
首先，不知道应该申请full time还是part time的 MBA 好？full time 经济压力很大
，尤其是我现在要供养我的父母。但part time听说对转行不是很好。
还有听说中国人进consulting很难，是真的吗？由于语言和文化问题吗？
谢谢了！ |
p*****t
发帖数: 3693 | 2 Full-time is the way to go for a career change, part-time is useless for
that purpose. Also, you need to get into a top 10 school to improve your
chances of starting a career in consulting.
Language and cultural issues are big barriers, so if you are a typical
engineer, i.e., introverted and don't have good interpersonal skills, better
think twice about doing MBA. |
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 3 Thank you very much for replaying.
Why part-time is useless for career change? Is part-time degree different
from full-time degree. If not, can I use the degree to get myself into
consulting?
Luckly I am not a "typical" engineer. I like working with people and I love
business. The engineer who reads business week instead of american
scientific :)
Anyway, can you please tell me how many chinese MBA graduates got into
consulting?
Thanks again.
better
【在 p*****t 的大作中提到】
: Full-time is the way to go for a career change, part-time is useless for
: that purpose. Also, you need to get into a top 10 school to improve your
: chances of starting a career in consulting.
: Language and cultural issues are big barriers, so if you are a typical
: engineer, i.e., introverted and don't have good interpersonal skills, better
: think twice about doing MBA.
|
A*****r
发帖数: 332 | |
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 5 TOP 10 还不够吗？
【在 A*****r 的大作中提到】
: 能进Top 5还行，要不然就算了
|
d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 6 I believe Bain, BCG recruit straight out of top engineering program. |
F*****d
发帖数: 2848 | 7 Very few Chinese can land consulting jobs in US offices. Even for those from
top 10 schools， most of them found jobs in China offices.
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: TOP 10 还不够吗？
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 8 I want to work in US offices for 1-2 years then move to china office
eventually.
Possible?
Thanks.
from
【在 F*****d 的大作中提到】
: Very few Chinese can land consulting jobs in US offices. Even for those from
: top 10 schools， most of them found jobs in China offices.
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 9 I heard about it too.
Fresh ph.d only or experienced ph.d in engineering also?
【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】
: I believe Bain, BCG recruit straight out of top engineering program.
|
F*****d
发帖数: 2848 | 10 Everything is possible.
It depends on how good your English is and your ability to socailize with
American.
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: I want to work in US offices for 1-2 years then move to china office
: eventually.
: Possible?
: Thanks.
:
: from
|
|
|
F*****d
发帖数: 2848 | 11 One fact is that a very high percentage of Chinese, even from top MBA
programs work on corporate finance in some big companies.
Those types of jobs are more like tech jobs and don't require language and
communication skills as highly as other types of jobs, such as marketing,
product management, MC, etc.
If you don't like tech work, then you may not like those kinds of work as
well.
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: I want to work in US offices for 1-2 years then move to china office
: eventually.
: Possible?
: Thanks.
:
: from
|
d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 12 There are a lot of chinese niu ren here in the states la.
Some are good with communication, others are good with tech. but i bet LZ is
still young, a lot of learning can help him, just takes time. no need to
put his hopes down by telling him other people's story. |
d**i
发帖数: 9682 | 13 both mck and bcg regularly recruit fresh engineering/science phds, slightly
less common with bain.
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: I heard about it too.
: Fresh ph.d only or experienced ph.d in engineering also?
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 14 You are right. I don't want to do corporate finance since it is like tech,
as you said. I am tired of dealing with data. Want to deal with people and
real business problems, that is why I want to go to Consulting.
【在 F*****d 的大作中提到】
: One fact is that a very high percentage of Chinese, even from top MBA
: programs work on corporate finance in some big companies.
: Those types of jobs are more like tech jobs and don't require language and
: communication skills as highly as other types of jobs, such as marketing,
: product management, MC, etc.
: If you don't like tech work, then you may not like those kinds of work as
: well.
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 15 Thank you for the good info. I will give them a try.
But I am not "Fresh" any more. I have worked for almost 4 years.
Still qualified? or Fresh only?
Thanks again.
slightly
【在 d**i 的大作中提到】
: both mck and bcg regularly recruit fresh engineering/science phds, slightly
: less common with bain.
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 16 My american friends told me my english is pretty good, barely any accent. I
am not sure whether it is true or they are just polite. Anyway, may not be
the big problem.
However, as an foreigner, I don't get to socialize with American much. I
need to work on that.
Thanks for your comments.
【在 F*****d 的大作中提到】
: Everything is possible.
: It depends on how good your English is and your ability to socailize with
: American.
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 17 Thank you for encouraging me :)
I am not young any more, just turned to 30, sad...but the years of
experience does help my english and people skills.
Is 30 considered old for MBA applicant?
Thanks.
is
【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】
: There are a lot of chinese niu ren here in the states la.
: Some are good with communication, others are good with tech. but i bet LZ is
: still young, a lot of learning can help him, just takes time. no need to
: put his hopes down by telling him other people's story.
|
z****n
发帖数: 589 | 18 根据我的理解啊，比较浅显的理解。
Consulting是建立在数据分析的基础上的，没有数据，拿什么和客户说话呢？
根据楼主的想法，也许在公司争取manager的职位，要比MBA来得更现实一点。
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: You are right. I don't want to do corporate finance since it is like tech,
: as you said. I am tired of dealing with data. Want to deal with people and
: real business problems, that is why I want to go to Consulting.
|
n********e
发帖数: 272 | 19 sorry, 30 years old is way too old for entry level posistions in MKY/BCG.
But you never know, maybe you look like a 20 years old, and they like you a
lot.
LZ
to
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for encouraging me :)
: I am not young any more, just turned to 30, sad...but the years of
: experience does help my english and people skills.
: Is 30 considered old for MBA applicant?
: Thanks.
:
: is
|
j*****t
发帖数: 5475 | 20 they don't care how old you are as long as you can do the work
a
【在 n********e 的大作中提到】
: sorry, 30 years old is way too old for entry level posistions in MKY/BCG.
: But you never know, maybe you look like a 20 years old, and they like you a
: lot.
:
: LZ
: to
|
|
|
n********e
发帖数: 272 | 21 that is bullshit, they do care how old you are if you apply an entry level p
osition.
you
【在 j*****t 的大作中提到】
: they don't care how old you are as long as you can do the work
:
: a
|
j*****t
发帖数: 5475 | 22 u have first hand experience or what?
i have personally worked with associates who are well over 30
p
【在 n********e 的大作中提到】
: that is bullshit, they do care how old you are if you apply an entry level p
: osition.
:
: you
|
d**i
发帖数: 9682 | 23 plenty of examples out there to prove you totally wrong... enough said
p
【在 n********e 的大作中提到】
: that is bullshit, they do care how old you are if you apply an entry level p
: osition.
:
: you
|
d**i
发帖数: 9682 | 24 absolutely
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for encouraging me :)
: I am not young any more, just turned to 30, sad...but the years of
: experience does help my english and people skills.
: Is 30 considered old for MBA applicant?
: Thanks.
:
: is
|
d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 25 Lawl deloitte entry level business analyst = total 22 year olds. There are
at least 2 this year that's 29
years old, after serving in the navy, you live the life, not follow other's
schedule.
p
【在 n********e 的大作中提到】
: that is bullshit, they do care how old you are if you apply an entry level p
: osition.
:
: you
|
r*****z
发帖数: 176 | 26 有chance的，找个好的PT MBA Program好了。 做Management Consulting也不必总盯着
McK/BCG那么几家，就像做会计不要老盯着四大。很多别的MC firms也不差，比如Alix
Partners, REL, etc.
至于PT对改行不好，这个好像已经成为真理了，而我以前也是这种观念的坚定支持者。
但几年中我进行了很多思考，转变了我的想法：PT毕业生成功改行的不多，并不是PT
Program的错，而是大部分PT毕业生不敢take risk的天性决定的。 首先很多人都做了
PT vs. FT的选择，就这这种risk averse的反应。而我看到很多真正成功通过PT改行的
人，都有很多共性，包括1）从第一天起就知道自己要什么，2）知道自己需要做什么，
3）敢冒险。
注：知道自己需要做什么，不是指1）进一个好MBA学校；2）学校career service帮我
改好简历发给大公司；3）等人找我面试
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: 这里很多MBA牛人，麻烦大家给我看看我的MBA和职业计划可否现实？
: 我是engineering背景，在一家美国公司做engineer,正在申请MBA,想毕业做
: management consulting,尤其是给tech公司出谋划策的工作。
: 首先，不知道应该申请full time还是part time的 MBA 好？full time 经济压力很大
: ，尤其是我现在要供养我的父母。但part time听说对转行不是很好。
: 还有听说中国人进consulting很难，是真的吗？由于语言和文化问题吗？
: 谢谢了！
|
c***s
发帖数: 1292 | 27 很多人有一个很大的问题是认为什么都有个条条框框，然后往里面套
比如part time vs. full time
age, experience etc etc
【在 j*****t 的大作中提到】
: they don't care how old you are as long as you can do the work
:
: a
|
c***s
发帖数: 1292 | 28 not at all
我一个同学，31开始读mba,毕业去了goldman
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for encouraging me :)
: I am not young any more, just turned to 30, sad...but the years of
: experience does help my english and people skills.
: Is 30 considered old for MBA applicant?
: Thanks.
:
: is
|
c***s
发帖数: 1292 | 29 我还真认识很多30岁进banking, consulting 的1st year associate
p
【在 n********e 的大作中提到】
: that is bullshit, they do care how old you are if you apply an entry level p
: osition.
:
: you
|
m**********e
发帖数: 17 | 30 关于PT是否容易改行, 有一个比较现实的问题,就是PT PROGRAM 是不是没有象FT一样好
的 career service 呢?
另外想问一下, PT一般要几年? 可不可以头两年PT最后一年FT呢?
Alix
PT
【在 r*****z 的大作中提到】
: 有chance的，找个好的PT MBA Program好了。 做Management Consulting也不必总盯着
: McK/BCG那么几家，就像做会计不要老盯着四大。很多别的MC firms也不差，比如Alix
: Partners, REL, etc.
: 至于PT对改行不好，这个好像已经成为真理了，而我以前也是这种观念的坚定支持者。
: 但几年中我进行了很多思考，转变了我的想法：PT毕业生成功改行的不多，并不是PT
: Program的错，而是大部分PT毕业生不敢take risk的天性决定的。 首先很多人都做了
: PT vs. FT的选择，就这这种risk averse的反应。而我看到很多真正成功通过PT改行的
: 人，都有很多共性，包括1）从第一天起就知道自己要什么，2）知道自己需要做什么，
: 3）敢冒险。
: 注：知道自己需要做什么，不是指1）进一个好MBA学校；2）学校career service帮我
|
|
|
m**********e
发帖数: 17 | 31 说起corporate finance, 我倒是有兴趣, 有没有牛人给讲讲
0) 这行 job opening 多吗? 申请时竞争激烈吗? employer招人主要看重什么?
1) 这行日常工作都是作什么? 工作难度和紧张程度如何? 能不能给描述下 typical
week, weekly hour之类的?
2) career path和薪水是怎样的?
3) 作这行主要的优缺点是什么呢? 比如优点可能是对语言的要求稍低, 缺点是有的人
觉得boring?
4) 如果本来是理工科的, 可以通过读MBA换到这行吗 (换句话说, 这行会不会只要金融
会计背景的人)? 如果想改行找这种position,是不是一般需要FT MBA, 然后通过学校的
CAREER SERVICE找? PT MBA 是不是不太管用?
5) 最后, 如果希望在美国找一个比较稳定, 压力适中, 薪水适中, 工作经验比较被看重(不是
青春饭), 说和写相对比较少的工作, 还有哪类business相关工作能大致满足这些条件
呢?
手头找不到vault guide, 请了解这行的NN给讲讲, 多谢!
【在 F*****d 的大作中提到】
: One fact is that a very high percentage of Chinese, even from top MBA
: programs work on corporate finance in some big companies.
: Those types of jobs are more like tech jobs and don't require language and
: communication skills as highly as other types of jobs, such as marketing,
: product management, MC, etc.
: If you don't like tech work, then you may not like those kinds of work as
: well.
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 32 what kind of experience are you looking for?
I worked for a big american company for 4 years, but more engineering work.
Does that count?
Asccociate level job is exactly what I am looking for after MBA.
Any more info. is appreciate.
【在 j*****t 的大作中提到】
: u have first hand experience or what?
: i have personally worked with associates who are well over 30
:
: p
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 33 By entry level, do you mean the analyst? That is definitely not what I am
looking for. I am too old for that and they are making less than what I am
making now. What is the point?
I am looking for an associate level to start after MBA.
a
【在 n********e 的大作中提到】
: sorry, 30 years old is way too old for entry level posistions in MKY/BCG.
: But you never know, maybe you look like a 20 years old, and they like you a
: lot.
:
: LZ
: to
|
c***s
发帖数: 1292 | 34 改行能否成功有career service的成分在里面
但是更多的看你自己愿意不愿意花大量的时间自我学习，提高，多认识朋友，多读书，
多参加networking events。
同样的top b school, 一样的career service, 每年都有很多人改行成功，每年也有很
多人改行失败。
PT改成成功的我认识也不少，比如我们学校就有PT的人成功的去了香港高盛或者一些he
dge fund。
所以很多东西不是一概而论，完全靠你自己。但是千万不要把所有希望都寄托在career
service上面。
【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】
: 关于PT是否容易改行, 有一个比较现实的问题,就是PT PROGRAM 是不是没有象FT一样好
: 的 career service 呢?
: 另外想问一下, PT一般要几年? 可不可以头两年PT最后一年FT呢?
:
: Alix
: PT
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 35 Thank tou for your good comments. I think you are right. There is no general
rule which applies to everyone. I know what I want and I will make it
happen.
he
career
【在 c***s 的大作中提到】
: 改行能否成功有career service的成分在里面
: 但是更多的看你自己愿意不愿意花大量的时间自我学习，提高，多认识朋友，多读书，
: 多参加networking events。
: 同样的top b school, 一样的career service, 每年都有很多人改行成功，每年也有很
: 多人改行失败。
: PT改成成功的我认识也不少，比如我们学校就有PT的人成功的去了香港高盛或者一些he
: dge fund。
: 所以很多东西不是一概而论，完全靠你自己。但是千万不要把所有希望都寄托在career
: service上面。
|
x****a
发帖数: 110 | 36 Great points. I have been thinking about what you said a lot.
Actually the people I know who took P/T and didn't get to change their
career are very risk averse. I guess the ones who made it are diffrent.
What I need to do, as you said, is to find out what I want and make it
happen. I am sure I will.
30 is not young, but now old either. I am not gonna put age on my dream.
Will definitely give it my best shot.
Thanks.
Alix
PT
【在 r*****z 的大作中提到】
: 有chance的，找个好的PT MBA Program好了。 做Management Consulting也不必总盯着
: McK/BCG那么几家，就像做会计不要老盯着四大。很多别的MC firms也不差，比如Alix
: Partners, REL, etc.
: 至于PT对改行不好，这个好像已经成为真理了，而我以前也是这种观念的坚定支持者。
: 但几年中我进行了很多思考，转变了我的想法：PT毕业生成功改行的不多，并不是PT
: Program的错，而是大部分PT毕业生不敢take risk的天性决定的。 首先很多人都做了
: PT vs. FT的选择，就这这种risk averse的反应。而我看到很多真正成功通过PT改行的
: 人，都有很多共性，包括1）从第一天起就知道自己要什么，2）知道自己需要做什么，
: 3）敢冒险。
: 注：知道自己需要做什么，不是指1）进一个好MBA学校；2）学校career service帮我
|
m***n
发帖数: 266 | 37 MBA /= consulting job
Jazzcat once made a point here that practicing cases is THE most important
thing for getting a job in consulting, not a MBA degree. And practicing
cases is pragmatic for Chinese applicants.
I also found out that besides cases, whether you are a really fun guy/gal to
work with, as viewed by your American colleagues, is probably equally
important. But that seems much harder for us.
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: 这里很多MBA牛人，麻烦大家给我看看我的MBA和职业计划可否现实？
: 我是engineering背景，在一家美国公司做engineer,正在申请MBA,想毕业做
: management consulting,尤其是给tech公司出谋划策的工作。
: 首先，不知道应该申请full time还是part time的 MBA 好？full time 经济压力很大
: ，尤其是我现在要供养我的父母。但part time听说对转行不是很好。
: 还有听说中国人进consulting很难，是真的吗？由于语言和文化问题吗？
: 谢谢了！
|
d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 38 watch a lot of sitcom, it helps. :D
to
【在 m***n 的大作中提到】
: MBA /= consulting job
: Jazzcat once made a point here that practicing cases is THE most important
: thing for getting a job in consulting, not a MBA degree. And practicing
: cases is pragmatic for Chinese applicants.
: I also found out that besides cases, whether you are a really fun guy/gal to
: work with, as viewed by your American colleagues, is probably equally
: important. But that seems much harder for us.
|
m***n
发帖数: 266 | 39 Ok, will try:-)
Thanks Tiramisu!
【在 d*****y 的大作中提到】
: watch a lot of sitcom, it helps. :D
:
: to
|
m***n
发帖数: 266 | 40 What makes it difficult for lateral hire is just to get a 1st round
interview invitation, right? I guess the chance of getting hired for the
entry-level positions would be the same for working professionals as fresh-
graduates if both get the interview invitation. Please comment.
At least I see McK is actively hiring experienced professionals in certain
areas, like operation.
special |
|
|
j*****t
发帖数: 5475 | 41 you actually go through a more rigorous interview process as experienced
hire.
【在 m***n 的大作中提到】
: What makes it difficult for lateral hire is just to get a 1st round
: interview invitation, right? I guess the chance of getting hired for the
: entry-level positions would be the same for working professionals as fresh-
: graduates if both get the interview invitation. Please comment.
: At least I see McK is actively hiring experienced professionals in certain
: areas, like operation.
:
: special
|
m***n
发帖数: 266 | 42 That's too bad...
【在 j*****t 的大作中提到】
: you actually go through a more rigorous interview process as experienced
: hire.
|
n******l
发帖数: 86 | 43 if parttime MBA and full time MBA can give you same training
and opportunities, who would pay high tuition and forgo salary
for 2 years to study for full time?
love
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for encouraging me :)
: I am not young any more, just turned to 30, sad...but the years of
: experience does help my english and people skills.
: Is 30 considered old for MBA applicant?
: Thanks.
:
: is
|
n******l
发帖数: 86 | 44 nothing is impossible.
but it's really hard to land such a position
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: I want to work in US offices for 1-2 years then move to china office
: eventually.
: Possible?
: Thanks.
:
: from
|
n******l
发帖数: 86 | 45 Yes. recruiters would assume you couldn't work as hard as those
young guys in their 20's
p
【在 n********e 的大作中提到】
: that is bullshit, they do care how old you are if you apply an entry level p
: osition.
:
: you
|
