s****e
发帖数: 282 | |
s******n
发帖数: 21 | 2 Interesting, most of the guys are from DEC
【在 s****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/exec/de/default.asp
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c*****g
发帖数: 119 | |
y*y
发帖数: 427 | 4 there is no Victor Bahl? Chair of ACM Sigmobile
maybe he did not contribute to MS as much as he did to Sigmobile? :p hehe
【在 c*****g 的大作中提到】
: crouching tigers, hidden dragons
: Leslie Lamport
: http://research.microsoft.com/users/lamport/
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T**********n
发帖数: 480 | 5 Before he joined Microsoft, Hejlsberg was a principal engineer at Borland International; as one of the company's first employees, he was the original author of Turbo Pascal and later worked as the chief architect of the Delphi product line. Prior to
coming to the United States, Hejlsberg studied engineering at the Technical University of Denmark.
【在 s****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/exec/de/default.asp
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s***e
发帖数: 1490 | 6
Before he joined Microsoft, Hejlsberg was a principal engineer at Borland
International; as one of the company's first employees, he was the original
author of Turbo Pascal and later worked as the chief architect of the Delphi
product line. Prior to coming to the United States, Hejlsberg studied
engineering at the Technical University of Denmark.
【在 T**********n 的大作中提到】
: Before he joined Microsoft, Hejlsberg was a principal engineer at Borland International; as one of the company's first employees, he was the original author of Turbo Pascal and later worked as the chief architect of the Delphi product line. Prior to
: coming to the United States, Hejlsberg studied engineering at the Technical University of Denmark.
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T**********n
发帖数: 480 | 7 hoho,3x
偶觉得这帮人里就他最牛了
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
:
: Before he joined Microsoft, Hejlsberg was a principal engineer at Borland
: International; as one of the company's first employees, he was the original
: author of Turbo Pascal and later worked as the chief architect of the Delphi
: product line. Prior to coming to the United States, Hejlsberg studied
: engineering at the Technical University of Denmark.
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f*****r
发帖数: 229 | 8 So how about Jim Gray and Dave Cutler?
【在 T**********n 的大作中提到】
: hoho,3x
: 偶觉得这帮人里就他最牛了
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T**********n
发帖数: 480 | 9 Jim Gary去过清华，一把年纪的他对NT的IO了如指掌，佩服佩服
不过好像近些年做秀很多，实事做得不太多
相比之下海森伯格算是一代程序员的偶像了，赫赫
【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】
: So how about Jim Gray and Dave Cutler?
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c******n
发帖数: 4965 | 10 Hejlsberg being put together with Lampson is a disgrace to the latter
Lesslie Lamport is not in, looks like he really is not good at human
relations :)
【在 s****e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/exec/de/default.asp
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T**********n
发帖数: 480 | 11 为啥？
海森伯格是从野地里出来的，lampson是正规军？
我觉得海森伯格对计算机工业的贡献至少不小于后者
turbo pascal,delphi,c#...当然不是他一个人搞得
至少c++ builder的是吹就说明了此人对borland的重要性
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: Hejlsberg being put together with Lampson is a disgrace to the latter
: Lesslie Lamport is not in, looks like he really is not good at human
: relations :)
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h****n
发帖数: 45 | 12 why do you say Jim Gary just show in recent years?
【在 T**********n 的大作中提到】
: Jim Gary去过清华，一把年纪的他对NT的IO了如指掌，佩服佩服
: 不过好像近些年做秀很多，实事做得不太多
: 相比之下海森伯格算是一代程序员的偶像了，赫赫
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c******n
发帖数: 4965 | 13 there's tons of good compilers, gcc for one,
(though not pascal )
I think gcc is not much later than turbo pascal
【在 T**********n 的大作中提到】
: 为啥？
: 海森伯格是从野地里出来的，lampson是正规军？
: 我觉得海森伯格对计算机工业的贡献至少不小于后者
: turbo pascal,delphi,c#...当然不是他一个人搞得
: 至少c++ builder的是吹就说明了此人对borland的重要性
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b**g
发帖数: 335 | 14 Lampson拿过92年Turing奖
海参博格算个鸟啊 写C++ Builder/Delphi/Turbo Pascal算啥?
那种东西就看你要不要花时间去搞罢了,完全是苦工
不然什么MS-Word, MS-Excel, KDE, Gnome的作者不都是"Distinguished Engineers"?
这两人就是艺术家跟工匠的差别
【在 T**********n 的大作中提到】
: 为啥？
: 海森伯格是从野地里出来的，lampson是正规军？
: 我觉得海森伯格对计算机工业的贡献至少不小于后者
: turbo pascal,delphi,c#...当然不是他一个人搞得
: 至少c++ builder的是吹就说明了此人对borland的重要性
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T**********n
发帖数: 480 | 15 turing奖有啥啊？就是个终身成就奖
pascal/c#对产业的影响绝对不比turing award差
算了不吵架，又不是给我发奖，汗
【在 b**g 的大作中提到】
: Lampson拿过92年Turing奖
: 海参博格算个鸟啊 写C++ Builder/Delphi/Turbo Pascal算啥?
: 那种东西就看你要不要花时间去搞罢了,完全是苦工
: 不然什么MS-Word, MS-Excel, KDE, Gnome的作者不都是"Distinguished Engineers"?
: 这两人就是艺术家跟工匠的差别
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b**g
发帖数: 335 | 16
是没啥,但海参博格活八百岁也拿不到的
pascal语言又不是海参博格发明的,他不过写个compiler,有啥啊?
那比尔盖子还不该发奖?
【在 T**********n 的大作中提到】
: turing奖有啥啊？就是个终身成就奖
: pascal/c#对产业的影响绝对不比turing award差
: 算了不吵架，又不是给我发奖，汗
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b******p
发帖数: 23 | 17 guys, it is called distinguished ENGINEER. It is based on the
contribution to the bottom line of the company, not contribution to
computer science. Sometimes they think a stupid patent is much
more important than a best paper at the best conference
【在 b**g 的大作中提到】
:
: 是没啥,但海参博格活八百岁也拿不到的
: pascal语言又不是海参博格发明的,他不过写个compiler,有啥啊?
: 那比尔盖子还不该发奖?
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X*****e
发帖数: 64 | 18 nod.
大家不要学术搞久了脑子秀逗，什么都拿academic的标准来衡量一把。怪不得family版有
怨妇说，LG发了两篇论文回家就觉得自己是个人物了。生活是丰富多彩的，干活也是丰富
多彩的，哪一方面做好了都是值得尊敬的。
【在 b******p 的大作中提到】
: guys, it is called distinguished ENGINEER. It is based on the
: contribution to the bottom line of the company, not contribution to
: computer science. Sometimes they think a stupid patent is much
: more important than a best paper at the best conference
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X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 19 说得好
整天比paper数量
感觉就和那些整天以多少存款定义成功的人一样
【在 X*****e 的大作中提到】
: nod.
: 大家不要学术搞久了脑子秀逗，什么都拿academic的标准来衡量一把。怪不得family版有
: 怨妇说，LG发了两篇论文回家就觉得自己是个人物了。生活是丰富多彩的，干活也是丰富
: 多彩的，哪一方面做好了都是值得尊敬的。
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z*******g
发帖数: 3 | 20 现在可以肯定你根本不会写程序(那种垃圾代码不算).
【在 b**g 的大作中提到】
: Lampson拿过92年Turing奖
: 海参博格算个鸟啊 写C++ Builder/Delphi/Turbo Pascal算啥?
: 那种东西就看你要不要花时间去搞罢了,完全是苦工
: 不然什么MS-Word, MS-Excel, KDE, Gnome的作者不都是"Distinguished Engineers"?
: 这两人就是艺术家跟工匠的差别
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f*****r
发帖数: 229 | 21 Is it an only academic standard? I guess that foundamental principles and
applications are definitely different. Yes, you can write a good compiler,
but so many people write tons of compilers. If no one invents a language, no
one invents basic concepts, can an engineer still do that? Don't tell me a
modern mechanical engineer is better than Newton because Newton can not make a
car, an air plane, or a ship.
有
富
【在 X*****e 的大作中提到】
: nod.
: 大家不要学术搞久了脑子秀逗，什么都拿academic的标准来衡量一把。怪不得family版有
: 怨妇说，LG发了两篇论文回家就觉得自己是个人物了。生活是丰富多彩的，干活也是丰富
: 多彩的，哪一方面做好了都是值得尊敬的。
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z*******g
发帖数: 3 | 22 会写一点Compiler的人自然很多，会写比较好的Compiler的人也不少，但是可以称得上是
talent，作出开创性（不要只限于理论）工作的，就不多了。
a
大家不要学术搞久了脑子秀逗，什么都拿academic的标准来衡量一把。怪不得family版
丰
【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】
: Is it an only academic standard? I guess that foundamental principles and
: applications are definitely different. Yes, you can write a good compiler,
: but so many people write tons of compilers. If no one invents a language, no
: one invents basic concepts, can an engineer still do that? Don't tell me a
: modern mechanical engineer is better than Newton because Newton can not make a
: car, an air plane, or a ship.
:
: 有
: 富
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f*****r
发帖数: 229 | 23
是
say say, what original works?
compiler,
no
make
是
【在 z*******g 的大作中提到】
: 会写一点Compiler的人自然很多，会写比较好的Compiler的人也不少，但是可以称得上是
: talent，作出开创性（不要只限于理论）工作的，就不多了。
:
: a
: 大家不要学术搞久了脑子秀逗，什么都拿academic的标准来衡量一把。怪不得family版
: 丰
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n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 24 那个什么berg的巨烦，成天就是改已有的语言。
Pascal->dephi.
Java->C#.
真是无聊。
【在 T**********n 的大作中提到】
: turing奖有啥啊？就是个终身成就奖
: pascal/c#对产业的影响绝对不比turing award差
: 算了不吵架，又不是给我发奖，汗
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i********e
发帖数: 31 | 25
自１９６６年以来，图灵奖得主也快满５０人了, 可以肯定的是，个个都是大牛人，
值得我们无比景仰和学习.
论名气, top2当是E.W. Dijkstra和Donald E. Knuth
因为UNIX的原因, Ken Thompson和Dennis M. Ritchie人气也很旺
其他人相比之下则更不那么为非专业人士所知, 数学上的造诣当属
数值分析大师Wilkinson, 理论上绝对要感谢Cook和Karp的倾情奉献.
出于个人原因, 上面提到的几位超级大牛属于我崇拜之列.
其他人都是在各自的领域如算法，数据库，网络，程序设计语言，操作系统，
软件工程，体系结构，图形学等有突出贡献，属于各有千秋, 一一谢过,
无比尊敬，但是崇拜还说不上.
如果有人无聊(如我现在)硬要高子里面挑矮子的话，似乎Jim Gray和
Lampson都要排到比较后面了。为什么？
首先，看看ACM主页上对Jim Gray的评语:
For seminal contributions to database and transaction processing
research and technical lead
【在 b**g 的大作中提到】
: Lampson拿过92年Turing奖
: 海参博格算个鸟啊 写C++ Builder/Delphi/Turbo Pascal算啥?
: 那种东西就看你要不要花时间去搞罢了,完全是苦工
: 不然什么MS-Word, MS-Excel, KDE, Gnome的作者不都是"Distinguished Engineers"?
: 这两人就是艺术家跟工匠的差别
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i********e
发帖数: 31 | 26
如我上面贴子所说，Lampson在图灵奖中各方面都只是平平,无论是个人成就还是人格魅力
。
Turnturnturn前面只是认为他最好，他的个人意见，
并没有对其他人有贬低的意思
而你这句话实在是过分，伤无数程序员的感情, 让我看着不爽
在无数人心目中，Anders Hejlsberg则是传奇人物和天才偶像.
想必你是不了解，没有资格用这么贬义的话损人家
1. 人家做了“苦工”，造福大家，反而还来你这么一句“算个鸟” ?
2. 他这个“苦工”是真得需要非常卓越的才能的，智力程度
不比Lampson的低. 绝大多数人做苦工也做不出他的成就，
能做到的人也没有几个能做得象他那么好
3. 依你这么说，Ken Thompson 和 Dennis M. Ritchie
写UNIX也是苦工
要按我的意思，他（她）们都是，天天用人家的软件，就不知道尊重劳动吗？
当然Microsoft不会给KDE和Gnome颁奖的.
说不上, Lampson算是个理论家, Anders Hejlsberg完全配得上
才华横溢的艺术家的称呼
【在 b**g 的大作中提到】
: Lampson拿过92年Turing奖
: 海参博格算个鸟啊 写C++ Builder/Delphi/Turbo Pascal算啥?
: 那种东西就看你要不要花时间去搞罢了,完全是苦工
: 不然什么MS-Word, MS-Excel, KDE, Gnome的作者不都是"Distinguished Engineers"?
: 这两人就是艺术家跟工匠的差别
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i********e
发帖数: 31 | 27
a
Come on. No Turing award winner (even Turing himself) is
comparable to Newton.
And I do think we can call those people like Anders Hejlsberg
computer scientists. There is no such a huge gap between
those people and Turing award winners. They are both genius
working on very closely related areas.
Please check the citation of the first Turing award winner
1966 A.J. Perlis
Citation
For his influence in the area of advanced programming techniques
and compiler construction.
Also, you w
【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】
: Is it an only academic standard? I guess that foundamental principles and
: applications are definitely different. Yes, you can write a good compiler,
: but so many people write tons of compilers. If no one invents a language, no
: one invents basic concepts, can an engineer still do that? Don't tell me a
: modern mechanical engineer is better than Newton because Newton can not make a
: car, an air plane, or a ship.
:
: 有
: 富
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f*****r
发帖数: 229 | 28 Agree. Why can we say that relational data model is a more seminal
contribution than TP? In fact, TP can be used in many data models, not only
RDB. |
i********e
发帖数: 31 | 29
you are right.
http://delphi.about.com/cs/azindex/a/dhistory.htm
...
In 1975, Wirth and Jensen produced the ultimate Pascal reference book "Pascal
User Manual and Report". Wirth stopped its work on Pascal in 1977 to create a
new language, Modula - the successor to Pascal.
Borland Pascal
With the release (November 1983) of Turbo Pascal 1.0, Borland started its
journey into the world of development environments and tools. To create Turbo
Pascal 1.0 Borland licensed the fast and inexpensive Pasca
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: there's tons of good compilers, gcc for one,
: (though not pascal )
: I think gcc is not much later than turbo pascal
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i********e
发帖数: 31 | 30
I'd like to say who knows if there is no Phd requirement. :-)
At least I won't be surprised if Bjarne Stroustrup or James Gosling is
named.
BTW, Can you predict the winners in next a few years? What do you think
in computer science are the most important breakthroughs which have not
been given Turing Award in last 20 years? Just curious.
Engineers"?
【在 b**g 的大作中提到】
:
: 是没啥,但海参博格活八百岁也拿不到的
: pascal语言又不是海参博格发明的,他不过写个compiler,有啥啊?
: 那比尔盖子还不该发奖?
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c******n
发帖数: 4965 | 31 Knuth isn't so NIU bah
his records in ACM is "for prolific writing" or something like that.
【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
:
: I'd like to say who knows if there is no Phd requirement. :-)
: At least I won't be surprised if Bjarne Stroustrup or James Gosling is
: named.
: BTW, Can you predict the winners in next a few years? What do you think
: in computer science are the most important breakthroughs which have not
: been given Turing Award in last 20 years? Just curious.
: Engineers"?
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n*o
发帖数: 442 | 32 he deserves the Turing Award, given his
0. "The art of Programming" books
1. invention of Tex system
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: Knuth isn't so NIU bah
: his records in ACM is "for prolific writing" or something like that.
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a***r
发帖数: 35 | 33
how about chaitin?
【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
:
: I'd like to say who knows if there is no Phd requirement. :-)
: At least I won't be surprised if Bjarne Stroustrup or James Gosling is
: named.
: BTW, Can you predict the winners in next a few years? What do you think
: in computer science are the most important breakthroughs which have not
: been given Turing Award in last 20 years? Just curious.
: Engineers"?
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