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EB23版 - Congress Is Anti-Immigrant - Again
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Z******a
发帖数: 1178
1
It's possible that nothing is ever new in the U.S. immigration debate. In
1977, his first year in office, President Jimmy Carter proposed "an
adjustment of status" for perhaps eight to 10 million (who really knew how
many?) undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. The point, Carter said,
was to avoid having:
a permanent "underclass" of millions of persons who have not been and cannot
practically be deported, and who would continue living here in perpetual
fear of immigration authorities, the local police, employers and neighbors.
Objections were raised immediately. Such an amnesty would reward illegal
behavior and penalize those aspiring immigrants who had followed the rules
only to see cheaters get ahead. It would send a signal to others that they,
too, should game the system by entering the U.S. illegally. And, of course,
undocumented immigrants were stealing the jobs and lowering the wages of
American citizens.
Amnesty. Deportation. Border security. All the pieces on the board remain
the same -- but the game, and the nation, is slightly different. The U.S.
Hispanic population has more than tripled since 1980. The share of marriages
between spouses of a different race or ethnicity has more than doubled in
that time. And attitudes about immigrants, including the undocumented, have
evolved. The Republican House majority, which recently passed a series of
bills to strip undocumented immigrants of protections, is building a
fortress on shifting sand.
Public views of President Barack Obama’s executive actions designed to
protect millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation are mixed. But
in a Pew Research Center/USA Today poll in December, only 27 percent wanted
to deport those who meet the requirements. According to Gallup surveys,
Americans were more favorably disposed toward immigrants during the depths
of the Great Recession in 2009 than they were at the peak of the Reagan or
Clinton booms.
But the paradox of this nation of immigrants is that it is often bitterly
anti-immigrant. Historically, the nation's love-hate relationship with
immigrants has emphasized the latter at the expense of the former. Yet
immigration was a tide not easily turned back even in eras when the public
stood resolutely opposed to it. As political scientist Daniel Tichenor wrote
, U.S. immigration policy has often appeared insulated from "mass publics
long opposed to new immigration."
There was no great popular clamor for the immigration overhaul of 1986, for
example, yet it was passed by Congress and signed into law by President
Ronald Reagan. The law granted amnesty to several million undocumented
immigrants who had been in the U.S. at least since Jan. 1, 1982. Its
enforcement provisions, such as forbidding employers from knowingly hiring
undocumented workers, proved notoriously weak. More undocumented immigrants
-- millions more -- arrived in the U.S. and stayed.
In 2013, it looked as if Congress might follow the blueprint of the 1986 law
. The 2013 legislation, passed overwhelmingly by the Senate, struck
essentially the same balance as in 1986: amnesty for millions in return for
tougher enforcement and border security. But skeptical conservatives
revolted, and the bill died in the House.
Since then, the House has moved aggressively to undermine Obama’s actions
to protect immigrants from deportation, including his deferred action for "
Dreamers" who were brought to the U.S. as children. The nativist wing’s
preferred policy of de facto deportation has overtaken the business wing’s
desire for a reprise of the 1986 deal.
As a result, anti-immigrant rhetoric is growing more acceptable among
Republican politicians. Its main effect is to polarize a previously
bipartisan issue -- probably inevitable in Washington circa 2015 in any case
-- and to mobilize competing constituencies. However, it’s unlikely to
reverse the trend toward greater acceptance of immigrants.
Republicans have the power, at least through 2016 and perhaps far longer, to
block the path of undocumented immigrants into the American mainstream.
Some small percentage of noncriminal aliens will continue to be deported
from the U.S. even under Obama’s directives. Most will not; as a practical
reality, they are here to stay. They, or their children, or their children’
s children will be Americans. The only question is when.
Z******a
发帖数: 1178
2
But the paradox of this nation of immigrants is that it is often bitterly
anti-immigrant. Historically, the nation's love-hate relationship with
immigrants has emphasized the latter at the expense of the former. Yet
immigration was a tide not easily turned back even in eras when the public
stood resolutely opposed to it. As political scientist Daniel Tichenor wrote
, U.S. immigration policy has often appeared insulated from "mass publics
long opposed to new immigration."
F********r
发帖数: 1748
3
Built by immigrants, hate immigrants.
呵呵,看到能力更强的人来竞争,美国人民一个个都变得不那么nice了。

cannot

【在 Z******a 的大作中提到】
: It's possible that nothing is ever new in the U.S. immigration debate. In
: 1977, his first year in office, President Jimmy Carter proposed "an
: adjustment of status" for perhaps eight to 10 million (who really knew how
: many?) undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. The point, Carter said,
: was to avoid having:
: a permanent "underclass" of millions of persons who have not been and cannot
: practically be deported, and who would continue living here in perpetual
: fear of immigration authorities, the local police, employers and neighbors.
: Objections were raised immediately. Such an amnesty would reward illegal
: behavior and penalize those aspiring immigrants who had followed the rules

f****a
发帖数: 647
4
"Historically, the nation's love-hate relationship with immigrants has
emphasized the latter at the expense of the former."
so this nation is very 猥琐 indeed haha
k**i
发帖数: 10191
5
有啥好呵呵的?非常正常和合理的心理,没啥好指责的。等你以后绿下来,你难道会希
望美国大开方便之门,让自己和自己的孩子面临更激烈的竞争?

【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: Built by immigrants, hate immigrants.
: 呵呵,看到能力更强的人来竞争,美国人民一个个都变得不那么nice了。
:
: cannot

F********r
发帖数: 1748
6
是,我会支持受过高等教育的移民进来。

【在 k**i 的大作中提到】
: 有啥好呵呵的?非常正常和合理的心理,没啥好指责的。等你以后绿下来,你难道会希
: 望美国大开方便之门,让自己和自己的孩子面临更激烈的竞争?

r******z
发帖数: 163
7
随着人口老龄化的继续,移民才是促进国内经济发展的动力,否则人均寿命越来越长,
老人靠本国年轻人的工资根本养不了
日本不是移民社会所以面临这样的问题,而且经济衰退严重,新加坡很聪明就通过移民
解决这个问题:本地大学毕业生找到工作直接拿永居。
y****2
发帖数: 350
8
日本人不生,美国人能生。

【在 r******z 的大作中提到】
: 随着人口老龄化的继续,移民才是促进国内经济发展的动力,否则人均寿命越来越长,
: 老人靠本国年轻人的工资根本养不了
: 日本不是移民社会所以面临这样的问题,而且经济衰退严重,新加坡很聪明就通过移民
: 解决这个问题:本地大学毕业生找到工作直接拿永居。

L*******d
发帖数: 2760
9
美国人生的少,老莫能生
j*******n
发帖数: 10868
10
语言太廉价。。。这么说吧硅谷重地三番版,拥有最多最集中老中高科技移民的地方,
那里的民意基本代表了拿了卡或者公民的老中高科技移民,你把这个版上关于塞老反
STEM的文章转过去,只会有两个反应,either没反应,or为塞老叫好。他们还会语重心
长的说,要看到长远,塞老说的也不错,美国本来也不缺STEM人材,如此这般
你说你将来会是个例外?

【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: 是,我会支持受过高等教育的移民进来。
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F********r
发帖数: 1748
11
例外不例外不知道,但这是我的态度。我也相信有人跟我有相同的想法。
塞狗现在在国会攻击的是所有移民。也包括绿卡的和归化的。
真要把眼光放长远了就更要反对他。此时让这种极端右派得逞了,以后右派势力更加嚣
张。未尝不可能会提出取消部分绿卡待遇,或非本地出生的永远不得入籍。现在已经拿
了卡的老中未必永远安全。
s*******n
发帖数: 4402
12
你看看,这就是人心。所以不要以为很多人天天喊着,哎呀,中国人要团结起来,多生
孩子,这种鬼话;他们心里真正想的,是叫后面的移民去死耶!

【在 j*******n 的大作中提到】
: 语言太廉价。。。这么说吧硅谷重地三番版,拥有最多最集中老中高科技移民的地方,
: 那里的民意基本代表了拿了卡或者公民的老中高科技移民,你把这个版上关于塞老反
: STEM的文章转过去,只会有两个反应,either没反应,or为塞老叫好。他们还会语重心
: 长的说,要看到长远,塞老说的也不错,美国本来也不缺STEM人材,如此这般
: 你说你将来会是个例外?

j*******n
发帖数: 10868
13
同样一拨人,拿到卡之前混移民版的时候都信誓旦旦和你一样的态度,说不定比你还坚
定呢,屁股位置变了观点就变了

【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: 例外不例外不知道,但这是我的态度。我也相信有人跟我有相同的想法。
: 塞狗现在在国会攻击的是所有移民。也包括绿卡的和归化的。
: 真要把眼光放长远了就更要反对他。此时让这种极端右派得逞了,以后右派势力更加嚣
: 张。未尝不可能会提出取消部分绿卡待遇,或非本地出生的永远不得入籍。现在已经拿
: 了卡的老中未必永远安全。

s*******n
发帖数: 4402
14
你说的是对的,只是很多人不愿意面对罢了。共和党这几个人就是替这些人说话的,赛
老本人不一定反移民,移民也抢不走他的饭碗,而选民是真正反移民的,只是不好意思
说罢了。如果赛老不表态就选不上。
发信人: jiangyoun (果果新品发布-iQuit), 信区: EB23
标 题: Re: Congress Is Anti-Immigrant - Again
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 29 14:30:15 2015, 美东)
同样一拨人,拿到卡之前混移民版的时候都信誓旦旦和你一样的态度,说不定比你还坚
定呢,屁股位置变了观点就变了

【在 F********r 的大作中提到】
: 例外不例外不知道,但这是我的态度。我也相信有人跟我有相同的想法。
: 塞狗现在在国会攻击的是所有移民。也包括绿卡的和归化的。
: 真要把眼光放长远了就更要反对他。此时让这种极端右派得逞了,以后右派势力更加嚣
: 张。未尝不可能会提出取消部分绿卡待遇,或非本地出生的永远不得入籍。现在已经拿
: 了卡的老中未必永远安全。

l*****g
发帖数: 525
15
所以民主制度的国家更靠政客的素质。政客如果聪明,懂得如何哄傻逼屁民高兴,同时
又能照顾到国家的长远利益,那就是伟人。但现在美国明显不是这个情况,衰退难以避
免。

【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是对的,只是很多人不愿意面对罢了。共和党这几个人就是替这些人说话的,赛
: 老本人不一定反移民,移民也抢不走他的饭碗,而选民是真正反移民的,只是不好意思
: 说罢了。如果赛老不表态就选不上。
: 发信人: jiangyoun (果果新品发布-iQuit), 信区: EB23
: 标 题: Re: Congress Is Anti-Immigrant - Again
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 29 14:30:15 2015, 美东)
: 同样一拨人,拿到卡之前混移民版的时候都信誓旦旦和你一样的态度,说不定比你还坚
: 定呢,屁股位置变了观点就变了

s*******n
发帖数: 4402
16
其实,我不认为存在[脱离]人的利益的所谓长远国家利益,之所以说移民对国家长远
利益好其实是站在雇主资本家的角度这些人利益的体现,
因为移民是被激励的劳动力,可以从事本国人不能干,不愿意干,不愿意好好干的工作
。发展经济就需要移民。
问题就在于美国的移民制度完全是下放到了人民的手里,不管是亲属移民,还是职业移
民,政府只管看材料,也不定什么标准,
其它国家对语言,对很多东西都有要求,至少职业移民在美国上学的应该给点加分之类
的,美国都没有,也不能说美国的移民制度就是不好,但既然有好的一面,就不可避免
有ICC这样的问题,还有非法移民。
发信人: lionpig (家养狮子), 信区: EB23
标 题: Re: Congress Is Anti-Immigrant - Again
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 29 15:20:27 2015, 美东)
所以民主制度的国家更靠政客的素质。政客如果聪明,懂得如何哄傻逼屁民高兴,同时
又能照顾到国家的长远利益,那就是伟人。但现在美国明显不是这个情况,衰退难以避
免。

【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 你说的是对的,只是很多人不愿意面对罢了。共和党这几个人就是替这些人说话的,赛
: 老本人不一定反移民,移民也抢不走他的饭碗,而选民是真正反移民的,只是不好意思
: 说罢了。如果赛老不表态就选不上。
: 发信人: jiangyoun (果果新品发布-iQuit), 信区: EB23
: 标 题: Re: Congress Is Anti-Immigrant - Again
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 29 14:30:15 2015, 美东)
: 同样一拨人,拿到卡之前混移民版的时候都信誓旦旦和你一样的态度,说不定比你还坚
: 定呢,屁股位置变了观点就变了

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