n********g
发帖数: 10 | 1 大伙看看有没有什么办法反击。。。
领域是COMPUTER SCIENCE。
07/2010 我投了一片文章到一JOURNAL（BASE 在4月一片CONFERENCE文章的基础上）。
结果拖了7个多月才出REVIEW。一看就知都是某某GROUP B写的。B 要求我补充DATA，与
其去年11月 (which is 4 months after my journal submission) 的一篇TECHR EPORT
作比较。B'S TECH REPORT improves my paper and subsumes my results. If I'm
doing the data comparison, it's like to "suicide" in my paper. Plus, I'm
only given one month for revision.
我很怀疑B故意拖了这么久才REVIEW。
真是太欺负人了。 |
d********a
发帖数: 6 | 2 Just make a strong rebuttal back to say that it is not fair for the reviewer
to make such a request -- your paper was submitted in July, which was early
than their November results. Explain carefully that their improved results
benefited from you work.
DON'T be emotional in your rebuttal. The rule-of-thumb in peer review system
is assumes that "it is the authors' responsibility to clarify issues".
Having emotional words or sentences will only have negative effects there --
remember people are reviewing your paper for free. So any review efforts
should be appreciated, even though sometimes they are not absolutely fair.
As long as your original contribution is sufficient, I think most Associate
Editor will buy this argument.Unfortunately, the academic world is just like
anywhere, you would expect to encounter this kind of things in the future
for sure.
EPORT
【在 n********g 的大作中提到】
: 大伙看看有没有什么办法反击。。。
: 领域是COMPUTER SCIENCE。
: 07/2010 我投了一片文章到一JOURNAL（BASE 在4月一片CONFERENCE文章的基础上）。
: 结果拖了7个多月才出REVIEW。一看就知都是某某GROUP B写的。B 要求我补充DATA，与
: 其去年11月 (which is 4 months after my journal submission) 的一篇TECHR EPORT
: 作比较。B'S TECH REPORT improves my paper and subsumes my results. If I'm
: doing the data comparison, it's like to "suicide" in my paper. Plus, I'm
: only given one month for revision.
: 我很怀疑B故意拖了这么久才REVIEW。
: 真是太欺负人了。
|
s*******u
发帖数: 172 | 3 If it is me, I will give up the paper or substantially improve it..
since others's results are already better than yours, why do you still want
to publish it?
EPORT
【在 n********g 的大作中提到】
: 大伙看看有没有什么办法反击。。。
: 领域是COMPUTER SCIENCE。
: 07/2010 我投了一片文章到一JOURNAL（BASE 在4月一片CONFERENCE文章的基础上）。
: 结果拖了7个多月才出REVIEW。一看就知都是某某GROUP B写的。B 要求我补充DATA，与
: 其去年11月 (which is 4 months after my journal submission) 的一篇TECHR EPORT
: 作比较。B'S TECH REPORT improves my paper and subsumes my results. If I'm
: doing the data comparison, it's like to "suicide" in my paper. Plus, I'm
: only given one month for revision.
: 我很怀疑B故意拖了这么久才REVIEW。
: 真是太欺负人了。
|
T******d
发帖数: 2139 | 4 It seems you are new in the field. One of the fun parts of doing research is
to outstand others and prove they are "idiots".:-) You usually win such
battles but occasionally you'll lose a few.
If I were you I'll just accept it and move on to other ideas. Keep mind that
Group B may be nice people, who you can make friends with or learn a lot
from later on -- They'd better be decent; being a step stone for great minds
is an honor.
If you don't want to totally give it up, you probably should honestly
rewrite your paper - I am sure you'll find some merit that your data can
strengthen Group B's results in a certain aspects
EPORT
【在 n********g 的大作中提到】
: 大伙看看有没有什么办法反击。。。
: 领域是COMPUTER SCIENCE。
: 07/2010 我投了一片文章到一JOURNAL（BASE 在4月一片CONFERENCE文章的基础上）。
: 结果拖了7个多月才出REVIEW。一看就知都是某某GROUP B写的。B 要求我补充DATA，与
: 其去年11月 (which is 4 months after my journal submission) 的一篇TECHR EPORT
: 作比较。B'S TECH REPORT improves my paper and subsumes my results. If I'm
: doing the data comparison, it's like to "suicide" in my paper. Plus, I'm
: only given one month for revision.
: 我很怀疑B故意拖了这么久才REVIEW。
: 真是太欺负人了。
|
g********r
发帖数: 8017 | 5 他这个是B借审稿的机会偷了他的idea还把他的文章给封杀了。确实很气人。
既然B还没有正式发表，我看唯一的机会是跟editor澄清事实要求换人重新审稿了。
is
that
minds
【在 T******d 的大作中提到】
: It seems you are new in the field. One of the fun parts of doing research is
: to outstand others and prove they are "idiots".:-) You usually win such
: battles but occasionally you'll lose a few.
: If I were you I'll just accept it and move on to other ideas. Keep mind that
: Group B may be nice people, who you can make friends with or learn a lot
: from later on -- They'd better be decent; being a step stone for great minds
: is an honor.
: If you don't want to totally give it up, you probably should honestly
: rewrite your paper - I am sure you'll find some merit that your data can
: strengthen Group B's results in a certain aspects
|
w*******i
发帖数: 108 | 6 同行是冤家.
现在的形势是B的点子性能比你好，虽然想出来的时间比你晚. |
s*******u
发帖数: 172 | 7 how could he know that?
Also, I have reviewed a bunch of papers, commonly it is the editor's
responsibility to set up a firm deadline for the reviewers..
as long as there is a better paper out, I did not see the fact you mentioned.
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 他这个是B借审稿的机会偷了他的idea还把他的文章给封杀了。确实很气人。
: 既然B还没有正式发表，我看唯一的机会是跟editor澄清事实要求换人重新审稿了。
:
: is
: that
: minds
|
s*******u
发帖数: 172 | 8 but their idea got published first..also, how could anybody know who got the
idea
first?
this is the key
【在 w*******i 的大作中提到】
: 同行是冤家.
: 现在的形势是B的点子性能比你好，虽然想出来的时间比你晚.
|
T******d
发帖数: 2139 | 9 抱歉没看仔细。如果是这样那确实气人。可以给Editor写不封信，格式和给Reviewer的
一样，一条一条列出问题和你的responses。一个Strong Argument是when you
submitted the paper, Group B's Tech Report had not been available. Given
that the time of review process is substantially longer than it should be,
you may request excluding Group B from the next round of review. 但是这看
Editor，他/她不同意的话你一点办法也没有。希望你在paper submission前有其他的
形式，比如conference presentation or patent applications保护你的发现权。
【在 g********r 的大作中提到】
: 他这个是B借审稿的机会偷了他的idea还把他的文章给封杀了。确实很气人。
: 既然B还没有正式发表，我看唯一的机会是跟editor澄清事实要求换人重新审稿了。
:
: is
: that
: minds
|
v*******y
发帖数: 5530 | 10 Getting scooped is a part of a researcher's life. If you are in the
profession long enough, you will see plenty of cases. Pick your battles
wisely.When you can't fight back or the benefits of fighting back outweigh
the costs, just move on and make better use of your time.
It's a paper, not the end of the world.
EPORT
【在 n********g 的大作中提到】
: 大伙看看有没有什么办法反击。。。
: 领域是COMPUTER SCIENCE。
: 07/2010 我投了一片文章到一JOURNAL（BASE 在4月一片CONFERENCE文章的基础上）。
: 结果拖了7个多月才出REVIEW。一看就知都是某某GROUP B写的。B 要求我补充DATA，与
: 其去年11月 (which is 4 months after my journal submission) 的一篇TECHR EPORT
: 作比较。B'S TECH REPORT improves my paper and subsumes my results. If I'm
: doing the data comparison, it's like to "suicide" in my paper. Plus, I'm
: only given one month for revision.
: 我很怀疑B故意拖了这么久才REVIEW。
: 真是太欺负人了。
|
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r*****z
发帖数: 906 | 11 是匿名评审吗？匿名的话原则上你不能确定reviewer是谁，无论有多么像。
reviewer要求你和一篇tech report（相信reviewer不会傻到点出是他的工作吧？）
作比较，即使它出现得更晚，只要是可公开获得的，那你很难绕开这个要求
EPORT
【在 n********g 的大作中提到】
: 大伙看看有没有什么办法反击。。。
: 领域是COMPUTER SCIENCE。
: 07/2010 我投了一片文章到一JOURNAL（BASE 在4月一片CONFERENCE文章的基础上）。
: 结果拖了7个多月才出REVIEW。一看就知都是某某GROUP B写的。B 要求我补充DATA，与
: 其去年11月 (which is 4 months after my journal submission) 的一篇TECHR EPORT
: 作比较。B'S TECH REPORT improves my paper and subsumes my results. If I'm
: doing the data comparison, it's like to "suicide" in my paper. Plus, I'm
: only given one month for revision.
: 我很怀疑B故意拖了这么久才REVIEW。
: 真是太欺负人了。
|
C*S
发帖数: 1658 | 12 借这这个话题问个问题。
最近在做着某个方向，查文献还没有正式文章出来。可是查到一个专利几年前申请的去
年批的。请问，如果我写文章的话，要提这个专利吗？以前写文章从来没有引用过专利
的。谢谢。
【在 T******d 的大作中提到】
: 抱歉没看仔细。如果是这样那确实气人。可以给Editor写不封信，格式和给Reviewer的
: 一样，一条一条列出问题和你的responses。一个Strong Argument是when you
: submitted the paper, Group B's Tech Report had not been available. Given
: that the time of review process is substantially longer than it should be,
: you may request excluding Group B from the next round of review. 但是这看
: Editor，他/她不同意的话你一点办法也没有。希望你在paper submission前有其他的
: 形式，比如conference presentation or patent applications保护你的发现权。
|
e*****t
发帖数: 205 | 13 写文章可以引用专利的，如果跟你做的东西相关，还是提下吧
【在 C*S 的大作中提到】
: 借这这个话题问个问题。
: 最近在做着某个方向，查文献还没有正式文章出来。可是查到一个专利几年前申请的去
: 年批的。请问，如果我写文章的话，要提这个专利吗？以前写文章从来没有引用过专利
: 的。谢谢。
|
l*******d
发帖数: 275 | 14 Scooping is part of academic life. However, a person who does that
shouldn't get away with it so easily. A letter at least may make the
editor consider whether to invite that person to be reviewer again.
outweigh
【在 v*******y 的大作中提到】
: Getting scooped is a part of a researcher's life. If you are in the
: profession long enough, you will see plenty of cases. Pick your battles
: wisely.When you can't fight back or the benefits of fighting back outweigh
: the costs, just move on and make better use of your time.
: It's a paper, not the end of the world.
:
: EPORT
|
s******t
发帖数: 150 | 15 Thank you so much. I got lots from your opinion.
reviewer
early
results
system
【在 d********a 的大作中提到】
: Just make a strong rebuttal back to say that it is not fair for the reviewer
: to make such a request -- your paper was submitted in July, which was early
: than their November results. Explain carefully that their improved results
: benefited from you work.
: DON'T be emotional in your rebuttal. The rule-of-thumb in peer review system
: is assumes that "it is the authors' responsibility to clarify issues".
: Having emotional words or sentences will only have negative effects there --
: remember people are reviewing your paper for free. So any review efforts
: should be appreciated, even though sometimes they are not absolutely fair.
: As long as your original contribution is sufficient, I think most Associate
|
s******t
发帖数: 150 | 16 Thank you so much. I got lots from your opinion.
reviewer
early
results
system
【在 d********a 的大作中提到】
: Just make a strong rebuttal back to say that it is not fair for the reviewer
: to make such a request -- your paper was submitted in July, which was early
: than their November results. Explain carefully that their improved results
: benefited from you work.
: DON'T be emotional in your rebuttal. The rule-of-thumb in peer review system
: is assumes that "it is the authors' responsibility to clarify issues".
: Having emotional words or sentences will only have negative effects there --
: remember people are reviewing your paper for free. So any review efforts
: should be appreciated, even though sometimes they are not absolutely fair.
: As long as your original contribution is sufficient, I think most Associate
|
v*******y
发帖数: 5530 | 17 what if the editor himself, or his student is the one who is scooping?
【在 l*******d 的大作中提到】
: Scooping is part of academic life. However, a person who does that
: shouldn't get away with it so easily. A letter at least may make the
: editor consider whether to invite that person to be reviewer again.
:
: outweigh
|
M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 18 you are so patient.
you are the MOST patient person I have seen.
how could wait for 7 months after submission?
even one month after submission, you should have started pushing the editor.
I hope you are just too patient, not a patient. |
T******d
发帖数: 2139 | 19 我有一篇文章寄出去两年半了，自己都忘了，忽然接到email说review完了，要求minor
modifications,差点没看懂自己写的是什么。
editor.
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: you are so patient.
: you are the MOST patient person I have seen.
: how could wait for 7 months after submission?
: even one month after submission, you should have started pushing the editor.
: I hope you are just too patient, not a patient.
|
v*******y
发帖数: 5530 | 20 在有些field很正常
拖个一年半载的也是常事
editor.
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: you are so patient.
: you are the MOST patient person I have seen.
: how could wait for 7 months after submission?
: even one month after submission, you should have started pushing the editor.
: I hope you are just too patient, not a patient.
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b*****t
发帖数: 1700 | 21 恩，俺们领域投文章2年出来就算快的了。。。
【在 v*******y 的大作中提到】
: 在有些field很正常
: 拖个一年半载的也是常事
:
: editor.
|
M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 22 你们做什么project?
两年人家都不能copycat?
俺好奇。
而且paper要两年才能publish， 说明这个领域的更新发展很慢。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 恩，俺们领域投文章2年出来就算快的了。。。
|
S********e
发帖数: 322 | 23 这个不一定的吧
比如ee的information theory，journal文章都是2年多出来的
cs也都是的，journal的文章很慢，大家都投conference了，journal沦为鸡肋
不过ee的还是很看journal的，大家就只能忍了
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 你们做什么project?
: 两年人家都不能copycat?
: 俺好奇。
: 而且paper要两年才能publish， 说明这个领域的更新发展很慢。
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t******g
发帖数: 84 | |
c****n
发帖数: 1108 | 25 这个totally分领域吧，有些领域一年两年审稿都正常
editor.
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: you are so patient.
: you are the MOST patient person I have seen.
: how could wait for 7 months after submission?
: even one month after submission, you should have started pushing the editor.
: I hope you are just too patient, not a patient.
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