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Faculty版 - NSF proposal悲剧后 和PM谈有没有用
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m******0
发帖数: 178
1
NSF proposal评语不错,但就是悲剧了。不要问我为什么。我想重投,同一个program
,应该是同一个PM. 那么和PM谈谈如何改进proposal,对下次投有用吗?谢谢
s**********e
发帖数: 33562
2
我觉得有用。其实不是因为可以帮助你提高proposal质量,而是让PM有个印象,下一次
可能对你倾斜。

program

【在 m******0 的大作中提到】
: NSF proposal评语不错,但就是悲剧了。不要问我为什么。我想重投,同一个program
: ,应该是同一个PM. 那么和PM谈谈如何改进proposal,对下次投有用吗?谢谢

e****g
发帖数: 4434
3
为毛我发信想讨论下proposal,人都不搭理我

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得有用。其实不是因为可以帮助你提高proposal质量,而是让PM有个印象,下一次
: 可能对你倾斜。
:
: program

p**m
发帖数: 11571
4
人没空

【在 e****g 的大作中提到】
: 为毛我发信想讨论下proposal,人都不搭理我
z*****8
发帖数: 1051
5
和pm混熟可能决定,你下轮就算review没那么好也能拿到,或者下轮review依然很好依
然拿不到

program

【在 m******0 的大作中提到】
: NSF proposal评语不错,但就是悲剧了。不要问我为什么。我想重投,同一个program
: ,应该是同一个PM. 那么和PM谈谈如何改进proposal,对下次投有用吗?谢谢

A***a
发帖数: 73
6
For a rejected proposal with a good score or comments, my guess is:
1) You have a good chance to get support if you address the comments
carefully. Talk with the PM to ask for some suggestions. If he is quite
positive and suggests you to revise and resubmit, your chance will be very
good.
Usually, at least one reviewer feels that your proposal is well written.
The other two reviewers may feel that your proposal has some potential but
it is not good enough for them to give you HC (highly competitive) or
Competitive. Because the reviewer in favor of your proposal could not
convince the rest of the panel, he might in the reviews try to provide you
with some good comments or suggestions. This will help you improve your
proposal so that you have a better chance in the future.
2) For most of the LC or NC proposals, especially those not-so-well-written
ones or those addressing-the-wrong-problem ones, no one wants to even spend
time on writing reviewers' feedback. Because they know even if you send it
again, your chance is not good. So if you talk with PM, he shows little
interests and does not suggest you anything, you need to move on.
3) I feel PMs do have their preferences. However, they usually would only
make suggestions when a proposal they like is marked as "competitive". So
far, I haven't seen any proposal that is not well-written being recommended
by the PMs. So relatively speaking, the panel review is a fair system.
Although I have to say, your RP in the area is very important because if no
reviewers try to speak for you, the proposal can be buried.
I have attended only a few panels so far. Therefore, I can not say that all
the panels are similar to the ones I attended. But in my opinion, most of
the exciting proposals have very good summary statement. Pretty much after
you read that 1-page, you feel like: "Wow, the idea is worthy of support."
Most of the proposals are pretty boring to read because the PIs do not show
any passion in their work. You can tell that they are piecing things
together and try to make a case.
Try to serve in the NSF review panels. Write to the PMs and do a good job
when opportunity presents. I saw some first time panel reviewers behaved
really awkward. Check what the expectations are and show that you are
prepared when you step in the panel review sessions.
Those panel review experiences help me a lot, at least I can now look at my
proposal from another angle - when I look back and examine the first few NSF
proposals I wrote, I understand why they were trashed. I have to say I
felt very bad when those proposal got rejected :-). I actually stopped
writing NSF proposals after a few failing attempts to recover from the
frustration.
L***s
发帖数: 9258
7
说的不错。不过当funding rate变得很低的时候,系统就不那么fair了。你懂的。

【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: For a rejected proposal with a good score or comments, my guess is:
: 1) You have a good chance to get support if you address the comments
: carefully. Talk with the PM to ask for some suggestions. If he is quite
: positive and suggests you to revise and resubmit, your chance will be very
: good.
: Usually, at least one reviewer feels that your proposal is well written.
: The other two reviewers may feel that your proposal has some potential but
: it is not good enough for them to give you HC (highly competitive) or
: Competitive. Because the reviewer in favor of your proposal could not
: convince the rest of the panel, he might in the reviews try to provide you

s**********e
发帖数: 33562
8
我是经历了太多按照panel意见认真修改后然后被下一个panel骂得狗血淋头的事情了。
比方说按照panel的意见加了不少理论的部分,然后下一个panel骂我做这么些理论的东
西干啥。。。

【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: For a rejected proposal with a good score or comments, my guess is:
: 1) You have a good chance to get support if you address the comments
: carefully. Talk with the PM to ask for some suggestions. If he is quite
: positive and suggests you to revise and resubmit, your chance will be very
: good.
: Usually, at least one reviewer feels that your proposal is well written.
: The other two reviewers may feel that your proposal has some potential but
: it is not good enough for them to give you HC (highly competitive) or
: Competitive. Because the reviewer in favor of your proposal could not
: convince the rest of the panel, he might in the reviews try to provide you

f*********7
发帖数: 76
9
那原因是什么呢?是因为投的人太多了大家不认真看了,还是接收的太少了导致
reputation或者关系占的比重过高?

【在 L***s 的大作中提到】
: 说的不错。不过当funding rate变得很低的时候,系统就不那么fair了。你懂的。
b******u
发帖数: 361
10
mark!

【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: For a rejected proposal with a good score or comments, my guess is:
: 1) You have a good chance to get support if you address the comments
: carefully. Talk with the PM to ask for some suggestions. If he is quite
: positive and suggests you to revise and resubmit, your chance will be very
: good.
: Usually, at least one reviewer feels that your proposal is well written.
: The other two reviewers may feel that your proposal has some potential but
: it is not good enough for them to give you HC (highly competitive) or
: Competitive. Because the reviewer in favor of your proposal could not
: convince the rest of the panel, he might in the reviews try to provide you

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M****o
发帖数: 4860
11
老李果然有经验。前天刚有个领域里的大佬跟我说,他最近某个proposal的reviews很
差,PM还是fund的了,这个PM已经fund他25+年了。。。

quite
very

but
you

【在 L***s 的大作中提到】
: 说的不错。不过当funding rate变得很低的时候,系统就不那么fair了。你懂的。
s**********e
发帖数: 33562
12
这种情况就算有fair也可以拿钱的。

【在 M****o 的大作中提到】
: 老李果然有经验。前天刚有个领域里的大佬跟我说,他最近某个proposal的reviews很
: 差,PM还是fund的了,这个PM已经fund他25+年了。。。
:
: quite
: very
:
: but
: you

a*********8
发帖数: 2353
13
我听到的类似的例子。还有人更夸张,告诉我就是nsf也是一半以上有manager决定。我
曾经有打分很低的proposal被funded,当然那次的确是reviewers没眼光。后来被
funded事实证明是个很好的project。所以,我觉得manager有一定的power也不是什么
坏事。有的reviewers因为这个那个原因的确不会给公正的评论。当然,同理,有时候
manager太有power,如果但凡这个人不待见你,就是被panel支持的proposal也可能被
毙掉。所以,没有什么是完美的。被拒绝了,就多方面试试好了。

【在 M****o 的大作中提到】
: 老李果然有经验。前天刚有个领域里的大佬跟我说,他最近某个proposal的reviews很
: 差,PM还是fund的了,这个PM已经fund他25+年了。。。
:
: quite
: very
:
: but
: you

a*********8
发帖数: 2353
14
没错,我听到的也是nsf拿fair照样拿钱。不过,我倒是觉得如果那个fair是个没水平
的reviewer给的,manager推翻这个傻决定也没什么不好。

【在 s**********e 的大作中提到】
: 这种情况就算有fair也可以拿钱的。
L***s
发帖数: 9258
15
但是对于打分很高却没拿到钱的人来说,PM就不是好人了。毕竟你拿了别人就拿不到了。

【在 a*********8 的大作中提到】
: 我听到的类似的例子。还有人更夸张,告诉我就是nsf也是一半以上有manager决定。我
: 曾经有打分很低的proposal被funded,当然那次的确是reviewers没眼光。后来被
: funded事实证明是个很好的project。所以,我觉得manager有一定的power也不是什么
: 坏事。有的reviewers因为这个那个原因的确不会给公正的评论。当然,同理,有时候
: manager太有power,如果但凡这个人不待见你,就是被panel支持的proposal也可能被
: 毙掉。所以,没有什么是完美的。被拒绝了,就多方面试试好了。

L***s
发帖数: 9258
16
其实大家都是被拒的占绝大多数。所以只能不断的投。

【在 M****o 的大作中提到】
: 老李果然有经验。前天刚有个领域里的大佬跟我说,他最近某个proposal的reviews很
: 差,PM还是fund的了,这个PM已经fund他25+年了。。。
:
: quite
: very
:
: but
: you

d***g
发帖数: 341
17
我的是有不同意见,但是被not recommended,这种还有希望吗?
m******0
发帖数: 178
18
非常感谢大家的建议。我已经联系PM了。
BTW, 我的proposal有五个reviewers, 2 reviewers gave Fair rating (but somewhat
positive reviews), while the other 3 gave VG (and very positive reviews).
不多说了,说多都是泪。
m******0
发帖数: 178
19
PM 对我的email秒回,让我受宠若惊。他说,我忙,等八月份再谈。
z*****8
发帖数: 1051
20
两个fair的话还是先好好改吧。找pm还在其次。当然不排除专业差别。

somewhat
.

【在 m******0 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家的建议。我已经联系PM了。
: BTW, 我的proposal有五个reviewers, 2 reviewers gave Fair rating (but somewhat
: positive reviews), while the other 3 gave VG (and very positive reviews).
: 不多说了,说多都是泪。

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t*******r
发帖数: 364
21
Program Manager
s*******e
发帖数: 74
22
看评语有时候不能真实反映panel上发生了神马。

somewhat
.

【在 m******0 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家的建议。我已经联系PM了。
: BTW, 我的proposal有五个reviewers, 2 reviewers gave Fair rating (but somewhat
: positive reviews), while the other 3 gave VG (and very positive reviews).
: 不多说了,说多都是泪。

a*********8
发帖数: 2353
23
一般而言,proposal悲剧了,再联系manager都是浪费时间--除非碰到一个特别好的
manager。要我看,还不如试一试别的机会。

【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看评语有时候不能真实反映panel上发生了神马。
:
: somewhat
: .

E*****e
发帖数: 417
24
用现在的话说叫然并卵。

program,应该是同一个PM. 那么和PM谈谈如何改进proposal,对下次投有用吗?谢谢

【在 m******0 的大作中提到】
: NSF proposal评语不错,但就是悲剧了。不要问我为什么。我想重投,同一个program
: ,应该是同一个PM. 那么和PM谈谈如何改进proposal,对下次投有用吗?谢谢

f**l
发帖数: 2041
25
我的一个proposal,一个E, 两个VG,最后是Competitive,照样被拒了。不要说有Fair
,我的经验是有个Good就完蛋了。

somewhat
.

【在 m******0 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家的建议。我已经联系PM了。
: BTW, 我的proposal有五个reviewers, 2 reviewers gave Fair rating (but somewhat
: positive reviews), while the other 3 gave VG (and very positive reviews).
: 不多说了,说多都是泪。

l***9
发帖数: 360
26
我的经验是, 有fair 照样拿funding。个别reviewer 不会影响大局。

Fair

【在 f**l 的大作中提到】
: 我的一个proposal,一个E, 两个VG,最后是Competitive,照样被拒了。不要说有Fair
: ,我的经验是有个Good就完蛋了。
:
: somewhat
: .

w**********8
发帖数: 51
27
借此帖问一下,
NSF的proposal被据之后,是否一年内(从上次提交的算起)不能在同一个program提交
这个proposal?
谢谢!
L***s
发帖数: 9258
28
谁说的?只是你得有大的修改吧?碰运气估计不行。

【在 w**********8 的大作中提到】
: 借此帖问一下,
: NSF的proposal被据之后,是否一年内(从上次提交的算起)不能在同一个program提交
: 这个proposal?
: 谢谢!

w**********8
发帖数: 51
29
NSF的据信里写的,说有最新的policy,不能在12月几号(离提交刚好一年)前
resubmit这个proposal。原话是这样的:
Please note that in accordance with Division of Earth Sciences policy, no
proposal submitted for this round will be eligible for resubmission before
the TARGET DATE of December 3rd, 2015. We also remind you to make all
submissions via NSF's FastLane system https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/ or
Grants system http://www.grants.gov.

【在 L***s 的大作中提到】
: 谁说的?只是你得有大的修改吧?碰运气估计不行。
L***s
发帖数: 9258
30
换个program呢?

【在 w**********8 的大作中提到】
: NSF的据信里写的,说有最新的policy,不能在12月几号(离提交刚好一年)前
: resubmit这个proposal。原话是这样的:
: Please note that in accordance with Division of Earth Sciences policy, no
: proposal submitted for this round will be eligible for resubmission before
: the TARGET DATE of December 3rd, 2015. We also remind you to make all
: submissions via NSF's FastLane system https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/ or
: Grants system http://www.grants.gov.

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w**********8
发帖数: 51
31
看来只能换个program了,要不然还得多等半年,快断粮了。谢谢老李!

【在 L***s 的大作中提到】
: 换个program呢?
s****m
发帖数: 251
32
好文,mark

【在 A***a 的大作中提到】
: For a rejected proposal with a good score or comments, my guess is:
: 1) You have a good chance to get support if you address the comments
: carefully. Talk with the PM to ask for some suggestions. If he is quite
: positive and suggests you to revise and resubmit, your chance will be very
: good.
: Usually, at least one reviewer feels that your proposal is well written.
: The other two reviewers may feel that your proposal has some potential but
: it is not good enough for them to give you HC (highly competitive) or
: Competitive. Because the reviewer in favor of your proposal could not
: convince the rest of the panel, he might in the reviews try to provide you

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