t********h
发帖数: 1881 | |
o*********e
发帖数: 2452 | 2 少吃点嘛，要不就把锻炼时间改下。。。
【在 t********h 的大作中提到】
: 感觉不吃饭没劲。吃饱了又跑不了了。
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 3 不可能跑不了.
我现在就是早上锻炼,跑10+迈都没事.
【在 t********h 的大作中提到】
: 感觉不吃饭没劲。吃饱了又跑不了了。
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 4 就是，试过30+迈都没问题。:D
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 不可能跑不了.
: 我现在就是早上锻炼,跑10+迈都没事.
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 5 确实是,早上比赛前哪有先吃饭的.
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 就是，试过30+迈都没问题。:D
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g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 6 跑妈拉松的不都是早上3点起来吃饭么
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 确实是,早上比赛前哪有先吃饭的.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 7 嗯，吃点bagel banana之类的。平时锻炼就不必要了。把内存清空也许更重要。
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: 跑妈拉松的不都是早上3点起来吃饭么
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | |
s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 9 一边吃饭一边锻炼身体, 就会又减肥又增鸡的说?!
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: 俺觉得，要减肥的话就先锻炼，要增肌的话先吃饭。
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i*****e
发帖数: 6614 | |
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s*******k
发帖数: 3071 | 11 不吃，喝杯水就奔gym，吃了跑容易岔气，对胃也不好。运动后身体自然会分解脂肪提
供ATP的。当然，前提是不做剧烈运动，都是些mild的。
【在 t********h 的大作中提到】
: 感觉不吃饭没劲。吃饱了又跑不了了。
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t********h
发帖数: 1881 | 12 被你们说得稀里糊涂的。。。到底吃还是不吃，吃饱了肠子受不了。看来还是不吃锻炼
，大不了晕倒，锻炼完再吃。 |
g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 13 会跑步的人吃了饭跑也不会岔气，相反吃了饭会有力气跑long run. 我减肥，所以不吃
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 14 Your body is not capable of burning fat fast enough to provide the energy
for running - unless you do ultramarathons and run continuously for 8+ hours.
【在 s*******k 的大作中提到】
: 不吃，喝杯水就奔gym，吃了跑容易岔气，对胃也不好。运动后身体自然会分解脂肪提
: 供ATP的。当然，前提是不做剧烈运动，都是些mild的。
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s*******k
发帖数: 3071 | 15 那我fast enough for jogging了吗？
hours.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Your body is not capable of burning fat fast enough to provide the energy
: for running - unless you do ultramarathons and run continuously for 8+ hours.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 16 Let's see. If you jog slowly enough so that you can keep jogging for 8 hours
, then yes, you will be burning fat directly.
【在 s*******k 的大作中提到】
: 那我fast enough for jogging了吗？
:
: hours.
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e****f
发帖数: 3393 | 17 跑步版的大牛斑竹BSO来了。
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 就是，试过30+迈都没问题。:D
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 18 8hr...真令人绝望。
hours
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Let's see. If you jog slowly enough so that you can keep jogging for 8 hours
: , then yes, you will be burning fat directly.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 19 Yes. One should eat 3 hours before a marathon race. On the other hand, well,
a marathon is a marathon. By the time you finish it's gonna be almost time
for lunch.
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: 跑妈拉松的不都是早上3点起来吃饭么
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 20 Well, your ancestors counted on their fat reserve to survive times when food
is scarce. It'd better be able to last long.
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: 8hr...真令人绝望。
:
: hours
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | |
s*******k
发帖数: 3071 | 22 你就吓人吧，8小时之说从何而来？半小时后就开始烧脂肪了，不烧也烧其他的东西来
提供能量，不管烧的是什么，总之消耗了东西。
hours
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Let's see. If you jog slowly enough so that you can keep jogging for 8 hours
: , then yes, you will be burning fat directly.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 23 read my words.
【在 s*******k 的大作中提到】
: 你就吓人吧，8小时之说从何而来？半小时后就开始烧脂肪了，不烧也烧其他的东西来
: 提供能量，不管烧的是什么，总之消耗了东西。
:
: hours
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 24 If you have never hit the wall after running for more than 20 miles, you don
't know what it feels like when fat
is your only energy source. When you run for less than the marathon distance
, you use glycogen not fat. A
person that is in good shape but not trained for marathon will use up his
glycogen storage after running for
about 20 miles. After that he will not be able to sustain a reasonably fast
pace because he will be burning fat
directly. Nevertheless, if he is tough enough and well trai
【在 s*******k 的大作中提到】
: 你就吓人吧，8小时之说从何而来？半小时后就开始烧脂肪了，不烧也烧其他的东西来
: 提供能量，不管烧的是什么，总之消耗了东西。
:
: hours
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 25 这些也是我听别人说的.
我想, Rule #1 is every person is different.
第一个考虑是, how long will you do the exercises?
一般早上 10-20 min exercises, 一般的你基本上还是消耗你的glycogen reserves
stored in muscle and liver cells.
但是30-40 min exercises 以上的运动, 如果你不吃一点儿容易消化吸收的东西, 大多
数人会进入Starvation mode去burn your fat.
第二个考虑是, how old are you? How strong is your heart?
大多数人早上的血压比较高, 所以老年人,特别是心脏不好的,不建议早上做剧烈运动.
但是如果你想做Cardio training, 早上是个good timing.
第三个考虑是, What is your exercise target?
如果你想做一个30-40 min exercises 以上的运动去减肥, 你最好不要吃含糖的东西.
如果你
【在 s*******k 的大作中提到】
: 不吃，喝杯水就奔gym，吃了跑容易岔气，对胃也不好。运动后身体自然会分解脂肪提
: 供ATP的。当然，前提是不做剧烈运动，都是些mild的。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 26 You must be joking. 10-20 minutes is the amount of time it takes to warm up,
not exercise. Your body going
into starvation mode after 40 minutes? You wish. Your body will burn a
little bit of fat at this point, but not
nearly enough to sustain any exercises of intensity.
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: 这些也是我听别人说的.
: 我想, Rule #1 is every person is different.
: 第一个考虑是, how long will you do the exercises?
: 一般早上 10-20 min exercises, 一般的你基本上还是消耗你的glycogen reserves
: stored in muscle and liver cells.
: 但是30-40 min exercises 以上的运动, 如果你不吃一点儿容易消化吸收的东西, 大多
: 数人会进入Starvation mode去burn your fat.
: 第二个考虑是, how old are you? How strong is your heart?
: 大多数人早上的血压比较高, 所以老年人,特别是心脏不好的,不建议早上做剧烈运动.
: 但是如果你想做Cardio training, 早上是个good timing.
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 27 我可能是错的, 但是我没有joking. Rule #1 is every person is different ...
I used to run 10~20 min in the morning very fast and uphill. One reason is
I don't have a chunk of 30-40 min in the morning and it is hard for me to
get up very early as well.
For most people, it is easy for them to enter starvation mode in the
morning when they do exercises before breakfast because normally they
don't eat real food in their night/morning dreaming.
up,
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: You must be joking. 10-20 minutes is the amount of time it takes to warm up,
: not exercise. Your body going
: into starvation mode after 40 minutes? You wish. Your body will burn a
: little bit of fat at this point, but not
: nearly enough to sustain any exercises of intensity.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 28 I'd like to know how fast is your "very fast". Any serious runner would need
at least 10-15 minutes' warm up
to bring their heart rate to the level that they can truly run fast. If you
actually go 10-20 minutes fast when
you get up in the morning, without warm up, I'd be surprised if you don't
end up throwing up.
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: 我可能是错的, 但是我没有joking. Rule #1 is every person is different ...
: I used to run 10~20 min in the morning very fast and uphill. One reason is
: I don't have a chunk of 30-40 min in the morning and it is hard for me to
: get up very early as well.
: For most people, it is easy for them to enter starvation mode in the
: morning when they do exercises before breakfast because normally they
: don't eat real food in their night/morning dreaming.
:
: up,
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 29 I see. I guess I know your concern. Do you mean it is still hard for a
person to enter his/her starvation mode in 40 min. in the morning before
any food?
If this is the case, I guess I don't know. You can be right. I just don't
know. What I heard is, I guess it is much more easily for a person to
enter his/her starvation mode in this way. I think you are questioning on
the number "40min." Is it right?
That's fine. What is the ball-park number in your mind, then?
need
you
don't
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I'd like to know how fast is your "very fast". Any serious runner would need
: at least 10-15 minutes' warm up
: to bring their heart rate to the level that they can truly run fast. If you
: actually go 10-20 minutes fast when
: you get up in the morning, without warm up, I'd be surprised if you don't
: end up throwing up.
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 30 Im glad to know Im a "serious runner" according to whx. :) I usually warm up
at 4 miles, which takes more than 40minutes. sometimes I feel warmed up
after 1hour's running.
need
you
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I'd like to know how fast is your "very fast". Any serious runner would need
: at least 10-15 minutes' warm up
: to bring their heart rate to the level that they can truly run fast. If you
: actually go 10-20 minutes fast when
: you get up in the morning, without warm up, I'd be surprised if you don't
: end up throwing up.
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 31 I guess you guys have different definitions of "starvation mode".
starvation of your stomach or your body?
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: I see. I guess I know your concern. Do you mean it is still hard for a
: person to enter his/her starvation mode in 40 min. in the morning before
: any food?
: If this is the case, I guess I don't know. You can be right. I just don't
: know. What I heard is, I guess it is much more easily for a person to
: enter his/her starvation mode in this way. I think you are questioning on
: the number "40min." Is it right?
: That's fine. What is the ball-park number in your mind, then?
:
: need
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 32 I believe what you call "starvation mode" is simply that a person who is not
in terrific shape suffers a drop in
blood sugar after some physical activity. It has little to do with your body
actually running out of glycogen. It is
more likely simply because the body isn't efficient in using glycogen. Trust
me, if your body is ONLY burning
fat and not glycogen, you will feel MUCH worse than you experienced in your
"starvation mode" after merely
40 minutes of exercise. Just ask anyone who has run a
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: I see. I guess I know your concern. Do you mean it is still hard for a
: person to enter his/her starvation mode in 40 min. in the morning before
: any food?
: If this is the case, I guess I don't know. You can be right. I just don't
: know. What I heard is, I guess it is much more easily for a person to
: enter his/her starvation mode in this way. I think you are questioning on
: the number "40min." Is it right?
: That's fine. What is the ball-park number in your mind, then?
:
: need
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 33 I see. I guess you question about the definition of starvation mode,
which depends on your total body glycogen level or temporally blood
glycogen level. And you argue that the true starvation mode is a very
serious body condition, in which your total body glycogen reserves is
low, instead of a temporary body starving.
I think this makes sense as well. But the key point here is, if you
exercise in the morning before food, it may be easier to slim your body
fat. Is this correct? Let's assume the
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I believe what you call "starvation mode" is simply that a person who is not
: in terrific shape suffers a drop in
: blood sugar after some physical activity. It has little to do with your body
: actually running out of glycogen. It is
: more likely simply because the body isn't efficient in using glycogen. Trust
: me, if your body is ONLY burning
: fat and not glycogen, you will feel MUCH worse than you experienced in your
: "starvation mode" after merely
: 40 minutes of exercise. Just ask anyone who has run a
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s*******k
发帖数: 3071 | 34 Not everyone run for a marathon, at least I'm not. I only run for a
refreshing feeling to start a day. Well, most of time, I don't run, actually
, I jog for 30m-40m, and I feel refreshed, energetic, and I think I reach my
goal.
Additionally, if it's true to take that many miles of running for our bodies
to start burning the fat, why the whole universe is telling us 30-40m
aerobic exercise is good for lose fat?
don
distance
fast
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: If you have never hit the wall after running for more than 20 miles, you don
: 't know what it feels like when fat
: is your only energy source. When you run for less than the marathon distance
: , you use glycogen not fat. A
: person that is in good shape but not trained for marathon will use up his
: glycogen storage after running for
: about 20 miles. After that he will not be able to sustain a reasonably fast
: pace because he will be burning fat
: directly. Nevertheless, if he is tough enough and well trai
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m**********d
发帖数: 42 | 35 呵呵，也正想问一下我早锻炼的安排合理不
我以前都是下午6-8点锻炼，现在因为工作关系，作息时间改了，就改早上锻炼，尝试
了2天了
我早上起来喝一杯蜂蜜水，算是补充血糖，吃几个nuts, 然后就去GYM了，感觉还可以
运动项目也不剧烈
一般是慢跑1迈12分钟，骑车15分钟，几组哑铃，几组仰卧起坐，腿部器械做一点，拉
伸5分钟，基本在40分钟内完成
锻炼完洗澡以后，吃早饭。
晚上有时间就做点瑜伽
【在 t********h 的大作中提到】
: 感觉不吃饭没劲。吃饱了又跑不了了。
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B********y
发帖数: 1356 | 36 Good question! My understanding is that fat burning does not only occur
during this 30-40 min aerobic exercise. It takes place 24 hrs a day when
your calorie intake is lower than you output. Exercise itself doesn't do as
big part as you think. It 'merely' brings up your metabolism and consume
some extra calories so that your body has to seek for fat to sustain its
daily function for the rest of the day.
actually
my
bodies
【在 s*******k 的大作中提到】
: Not everyone run for a marathon, at least I'm not. I only run for a
: refreshing feeling to start a day. Well, most of time, I don't run, actually
: , I jog for 30m-40m, and I feel refreshed, energetic, and I think I reach my
: goal.
: Additionally, if it's true to take that many miles of running for our bodies
: to start burning the fat, why the whole universe is telling us 30-40m
: aerobic exercise is good for lose fat?
:
: don
: distance
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s*******k
发帖数: 3071 | 37 That's one possible explanation. Another one could be that running 30-40m
does burn fat, but just burn so little for our body to feel it on the daily
bases. However, as the time goes on, all the amount build up to certain
amount of fat loss.
as
【在 B********y 的大作中提到】
: Good question! My understanding is that fat burning does not only occur
: during this 30-40 min aerobic exercise. It takes place 24 hrs a day when
: your calorie intake is lower than you output. Exercise itself doesn't do as
: big part as you think. It 'merely' brings up your metabolism and consume
: some extra calories so that your body has to seek for fat to sustain its
: daily function for the rest of the day.
:
: actually
: my
: bodies
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 38 我想这是一个简单又实际的问题. 但是一个perfect or comprehensive 答案是应人而易而且又非
常困难... 这是因为其中有很多controversies 和 theories.
【在 m**********d 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，也正想问一下我早锻炼的安排合理不
: 我以前都是下午6-8点锻炼，现在因为工作关系，作息时间改了，就改早上锻炼，尝试
: 了2天了
: 我早上起来喝一杯蜂蜜水，算是补充血糖，吃几个nuts, 然后就去GYM了，感觉还可以
: 运动项目也不剧烈
: 一般是慢跑1迈12分钟，骑车15分钟，几组哑铃，几组仰卧起坐，腿部器械做一点，拉
: 伸5分钟，基本在40分钟内完成
: 锻炼完洗澡以后，吃早饭。
: 晚上有时间就做点瑜伽
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m**********d
发帖数: 42 | 39 呵呵，真是个perfect的答案啊，谢谢啊
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: 我想这是一个简单又实际的问题. 但是一个perfect or comprehensive 答案是应人而易而且又非
: 常困难... 这是因为其中有很多controversies 和 theories.
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 40 一不小心哲学了一把.
大多数人建议, you need refuel yourself through post-workout insulin spike. 但
是对于是否应该吃点东西 before workout 是因人二易.
也有人对 high-carb post-workout meal 的好处怀疑, 因为它会 suppress anabolic
growth hormone.
也有人对 high-carb meal 的好处怀疑, 他们认为那会accelerate 你的aging.
【在 m**********d 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，真是个perfect的答案啊，谢谢啊
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m******y
发帖数: 2207 | 41 为啥大家都这么喜欢用英文呢？
【在 g*****r 的大作中提到】
: I guess you guys have different definitions of "starvation mode".
: starvation of your stomach or your body?
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 42 Once again, read my words before trying to argue against it. I never said
your body only starts to burn fat after 20 miles. I said it will only have
fat to burn after 20 miles. Before you run out of glycogen, it will mostly
be using glycogen, and only a tiny amount of energy will be coming from fat.
Exactly how you want to lose fat is your concern. I'm only concerned about
the performance in running, not how to lose weight.
I don't mean to sound pompous but we runners never worry about maintaini
【在 s*******k 的大作中提到】
: Not everyone run for a marathon, at least I'm not. I only run for a
: refreshing feeling to start a day. Well, most of time, I don't run, actually
: , I jog for 30m-40m, and I feel refreshed, energetic, and I think I reach my
: goal.
: Additionally, if it's true to take that many miles of running for our bodies
: to start burning the fat, why the whole universe is telling us 30-40m
: aerobic exercise is good for lose fat?
:
: don
: distance
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