f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 1 王军霞是跑3000米，5000米和10000米比赛的，奥运冠军。她可是经过马家军里魔鬼训练出来的。 |
e*****e
发帖数: 2233 | 2 说实在的, 第一张挺好, 第二张是不是已经退役了开始发福了? 感觉
腿已经粗了不少, 呵呵 |
f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 3 ZT：
为备战亚特兰大奥运会，王军霞进行了整整六个月的全封闭训练。每天清晨4点半开始
训练，在崎岖不平的山路至少跑20公里，没有休息一天。奥运会夺金的梦想一直鞭策和
激励着王军霞。来到亚特兰大的王军霞当时身兼5000米和1万米两个长跑项目。当时很
多人劝她放弃5000米，专攻最有夺冠实力的1万米。然而，具有充分实力的王军霞做出
了两个项目都参加的决定。1996年的7月28日，5000米决赛场上，王军霞证明了自己，
把精彩和辉煌奉献给期待她的中国观众。比赛中，王军霞遭到了肯尼亚、爱尔兰等多国
选手的围追堵截，不断受到她们的挤、撞、推等干扰。但王军霞始终坚持教练在赛前制
定的“咬住第一军团、领跑第二军团”的战术，一步也不落后。到了最后800米处，身
姿矫健的王军霞突然加速，杀出重围，第一个向终点冲去，14分59秒88！ 王军霞金牌
！“东方神鹿”矫健的奔跑，铸就了中国田径的奥运经典。 |
f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 4 我也是同感。第一张是奥运夺冠时的照片吧。现在是发福了一些。
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】
: 说实在的, 第一张挺好, 第二张是不是已经退役了开始发福了? 感觉
: 腿已经粗了不少, 呵呵
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m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | |
n***s
发帖数: 10056 | |
m******r
发帖数: 9604 | 7 看来不长跑会粗腿
【在 f*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我也是同感。第一张是奥运夺冠时的照片吧。现在是发福了一些。
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 8 good one!
【在 m******r 的大作中提到】
: 看来不长跑会粗腿
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w********5
发帖数: 54 | 9 长跑冠军腿都蛮细的。我一直有个疑问，她奥运会的时候有没有吃药？马家军应该都是
吃药吃出来的。但奥运会她换了个教练，这个金牌不知道含金量有多少。 |
l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 10 嗯，同意。
女人大腿太细，真让男人没什么感觉。
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】
: 现在比以前有女人味多了啊
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 11 Her best event is 10000m, but she won silver, not gold medal, in 1996
olympics (she won the 5000m). Her world record in 10000m set in 1993 is
ridiculous. It was more than 40 seconds faster than the previous record.
Until today, the second fastest ever performance by a woman is 22 seconds
slower than Wang Junxia's record. That is never heard of in distance running
. It's hard to believe that she didn't dope, but her talent in running is
unquestionable.
It's a shame that Wang Junxia retired so ear
【在 w********5 的大作中提到】
: 长跑冠军腿都蛮细的。我一直有个疑问，她奥运会的时候有没有吃药？马家军应该都是
: 吃药吃出来的。但奥运会她换了个教练，这个金牌不知道含金量有多少。
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h******w
发帖数: 681 | 12 王10000米没拿金牌原因有三
（1） 5000 米尿检喝了大量水导致拉肚子
（2）欧美选手联合起来推挤压，王至少多跑了400米
（3）冲刺应该更早些，王绝对有实力以最后的速度多跑一圈，可是里贝罗未必。
那个Paula Radcliffe才丢脸，当时实力一般，却中途出来领跑，最后死得很惨
running
She's born in the same year as Wang.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Her best event is 10000m, but she won silver, not gold medal, in 1996
: olympics (she won the 5000m). Her world record in 10000m set in 1993 is
: ridiculous. It was more than 40 seconds faster than the previous record.
: Until today, the second fastest ever performance by a woman is 22 seconds
: slower than Wang Junxia's record. That is never heard of in distance running
: . It's hard to believe that she didn't dope, but her talent in running is
: unquestionable.
: It's a shame that Wang Junxia retired so ear
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 13 I don't know the details about Wang, but you can't say Paula made a bad
decision. Paula has always been known as a runner who sets a punishing pace
but does not have the kick at the end. When she wins marathons, she leads
the entire way. If she lets anyone stay with her towards the end, she'd get
outkicked. Paula is a pure endurance athlete. The longer the distance, the
stronger she performs.
【在 h******w 的大作中提到】
: 王10000米没拿金牌原因有三
: （1） 5000 米尿检喝了大量水导致拉肚子
: （2）欧美选手联合起来推挤压，王至少多跑了400米
: （3）冲刺应该更早些，王绝对有实力以最后的速度多跑一圈，可是里贝罗未必。
: 那个Paula Radcliffe才丢脸，当时实力一般，却中途出来领跑，最后死得很惨
:
: running
: She's born in the same year as Wang.
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l********3
发帖数: 7367 | 14 不用怀疑了，看样真跑不粗。。
当年的王军霞细胳膊细腿的，真像个鹿。。 |
D****o
发帖数: 12808 | 15 re
【在 m******r 的大作中提到】
: 看来不长跑会粗腿
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 16 I know many short-distance runners did doping. Not sure how to do it for
the long-distance? Blood boosting?
seconds
running
is
She's born in the same year as Wang.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Her best event is 10000m, but she won silver, not gold medal, in 1996
: olympics (she won the 5000m). Her world record in 10000m set in 1993 is
: ridiculous. It was more than 40 seconds faster than the previous record.
: Until today, the second fastest ever performance by a woman is 22 seconds
: slower than Wang Junxia's record. That is never heard of in distance running
: . It's hard to believe that she didn't dope, but her talent in running is
: unquestionable.
: It's a shame that Wang Junxia retired so ear
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 17 Possibly also due to her celebrity personality ...
pace
leads
get
the
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I don't know the details about Wang, but you can't say Paula made a bad
: decision. Paula has always been known as a runner who sets a punishing pace
: but does not have the kick at the end. When she wins marathons, she leads
: the entire way. If she lets anyone stay with her towards the end, she'd get
: outkicked. Paula is a pure endurance athlete. The longer the distance, the
: stronger she performs.
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D****o
发帖数: 12808 | |
o*********e
发帖数: 2452 | 19 嗑药。。。
【在 D****o 的大作中提到】
: what is dope?
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D****o
发帖数: 12808 | 20 do they really do it?
【在 o*********e 的大作中提到】
: 嗑药。。。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 21 the skinny cyclist with the extreme farmer's tan in
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Fitness/31602509.html
was a doper, for instance. Doping is less common in distance running,
although there has been bad episodes
with east germany athletes in the 70s and 80s.
【在 D****o 的大作中提到】
: do they really do it?
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 22 听起来不是 ...至少 Paula Radcliffe said NO 了 .
【在 D****o 的大作中提到】
: do they really do it?
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 23 Generally speaking, marathoners have more integrity than athletes in other
sports. Many elite distance runners
continue to run when they are old - like Zola Budd, Alberto Salazar, Bill
Rodgers - they may not win major
marathons any more but they still win master races. They run simply for the
love of running and the thrill of
racing. I cannot imagine a doper to continue to race after they retire from
elite level competition. On the other
hand, about 马家军, I can't be so certain. If you are to beli
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: 听起来不是 ...至少 Paula Radcliffe said NO 了 .
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 24 Hmmmmmmm .... I am not sure of this .... I guess, if you are talking
about professional marathon competitions, I don't feel I am completely
convinced ..... "Generally speaking, marathoners have more integrity
than athletes in other sports."
My feeling is the current endurance enhancement drugs may be harder to
be detected ... |
g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 25 还是练得牛吧，嗑药不嗑药的，要是中游水平，嗑药也跑不了冠军，至少得是前三甲，
磕点药才管用，你要是连决赛都跑不进去，就是天天吃药也没用。 |
z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 26 顶尖选手之间，往往就是那点药决定命运了
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: 还是练得牛吧，嗑药不嗑药的，要是中游水平，嗑药也跑不了冠军，至少得是前三甲，
: 磕点药才管用，你要是连决赛都跑不进去，就是天天吃药也没用。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 27 Well, you have to understand the running culture, which is quite different
from most other sports. If you know
a little bit history of the top American marathoners, like Deena Kastor and
Ryan Hall, you would know that
they can't possibly be dopers. Many elite eastern African runners don't even
have a decent track to train on.
They train on dirt trails and run up the mountains. They have won marathons
and set world records running
barefoot. I simply cannot imagine that they would dope.
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: Hmmmmmmm .... I am not sure of this .... I guess, if you are talking
: about professional marathon competitions, I don't feel I am completely
: convinced ..... "Generally speaking, marathoners have more integrity
: than athletes in other sports."
: My feeling is the current endurance enhancement drugs may be harder to
: be detected ...
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g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 28 马拉松选手用药作用不大吧，可能平时用来训练肌肉啥到有些用，跑前吃点药，刚开始
还行，一会就没劲了。 |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 29 Well, cyclists need even more pure endurance than marathoners, and yet
plenty of cyclists dope.
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: 马拉松选手用药作用不大吧，可能平时用来训练肌肉啥到有些用，跑前吃点药，刚开始
: 还行，一会就没劲了。
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g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 30 那个环法主要是消耗太厉害了，一两周吧，后面几天体力都不行了，DOPE一下冲一冲了。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Well, cyclists need even more pure endurance than marathoners, and yet
: plenty of cyclists dope.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 31 You are not making any sense. You are just saying whatever sounds right to
you, with no scientific basis at all.
了。
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: 那个环法主要是消耗太厉害了，一两周吧，后面几天体力都不行了，DOPE一下冲一冲了。
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 32 I am not sure of this. .... I don't know about marathon running 2.
BTW, I accidentally read a page of marathon cycling before. FYI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling
It clearly shows more and more doping cases in cycling sports these
years. I guess this is due to more advanced or comprehensive doping
detection methods and the emergency of much cheaper and more effective
performance enhancement drugs. |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 33 That's right. As I was trying to say, the culture of cycling is very
different from distance running. Pro cyclists
use all kinds of technology available to them. They sleep in altitude
chambers, they measure their heart rate at
all time, in training and in races, their team managers give out
instructions through ear sets, ...not to mention
all the high tech bikes to minimize any unnecessary weight and to optimize
air dynamics... on the other hand,
look at the elite runners. some of them don't ev
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: I am not sure of this. .... I don't know about marathon running 2.
: BTW, I accidentally read a page of marathon cycling before. FYI.
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling
: It clearly shows more and more doping cases in cycling sports these
: years. I guess this is due to more advanced or comprehensive doping
: detection methods and the emergency of much cheaper and more effective
: performance enhancement drugs.
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 34 hehehe .... 当 dopers 用伟哥了 ...... :-P
了。
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: 那个环法主要是消耗太厉害了，一两周吧，后面几天体力都不行了，DOPE一下冲一冲了。
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g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 35 DOPE的都没有什么SCIENTIFIC BASIS吧，什么时候FDA批准了可以吃了，有效果了，不
都是偷偷摸摸地吃，就是有教练指点着，也是凭经验或者道听途说的，而且为了逃避药
检经常要用新药，基本上都是拿自己做实验。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: You are not making any sense. You are just saying whatever sounds right to
: you, with no scientific basis at all.
:
: 了。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 36 Dude, at least learn a little bit about the sport before talking nonsense.
There is so much scientific study in
professional cycling it's not even funny.
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: DOPE的都没有什么SCIENTIFIC BASIS吧，什么时候FDA批准了可以吃了，有效果了，不
: 都是偷偷摸摸地吃，就是有教练指点着，也是凭经验或者道听途说的，而且为了逃避药
: 检经常要用新药，基本上都是拿自己做实验。
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g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 37 我对CYCYLING没什么兴趣，这不是讲DOPE的么。我看你就喜欢吵架，别人随便闲聊几句
，这个也错那个也错的。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Dude, at least learn a little bit about the sport before talking nonsense.
: There is so much scientific study in
: professional cycling it's not even funny.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 38 If you know me you'd know that I was being pretty nice.:) it's not my fault that you are full of shit.
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】
: 我对CYCYLING没什么兴趣，这不是讲DOPE的么。我看你就喜欢吵架，别人随便闲聊几句
: ，这个也错那个也错的。
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 39 This is also why I was being so humble....hehehehe...
whatever...
BTW, 一哥也没错什么 ... 他在讲 strength-enhancing doping 吧 ... 他对哪个比较有研
究 .... 你在讲 endurance enhancing ....
fault that you are full of shit.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: If you know me you'd know that I was being pretty nice.:) it's not my fault that you are full of shit.
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f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 40 太绝对了。google了一下，marathon运动员用药的虽然没有骑车的那么热闹，但是也有
一些啊。Kenya的：
http://dailyrunningtips.com/kenyan-runners/muthuka-kenyan-runner-banned-for-doping/
记得在Dean Karnazes的书中也读到有人用blood doping， altitude chamber等等。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: That's right. As I was trying to say, the culture of cycling is very
: different from distance running. Pro cyclists
: use all kinds of technology available to them. They sleep in altitude
: chambers, they measure their heart rate at
: all time, in training and in races, their team managers give out
: instructions through ear sets, ...not to mention
: all the high tech bikes to minimize any unnecessary weight and to optimize
: air dynamics... on the other hand,
: look at the elite runners. some of them don't ev
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 41 key word: Kenyan sprinter.
【在 f*******n 的大作中提到】
: 太绝对了。google了一下，marathon运动员用药的虽然没有骑车的那么热闹，但是也有
: 一些啊。Kenya的：
: http://dailyrunningtips.com/kenyan-runners/muthuka-kenyan-runner-banned-for-doping/
: 记得在Dean Karnazes的书中也读到有人用blood doping， altitude chamber等等。
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f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 42 Last paragraph:
Muthuka becomes the fourth female runner from Kenya to test positive. Others
are Udine half marathon champion Pamela Chepchumba, former world cross
country junior champion Lydia Cheromei and marathoner Susan Chepkemei.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: key word: Kenyan sprinter.
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 43 It is true, marathon running has a short list of doping cases. However,
logically speaking, a short list only is a necessary condition of your
argument.
On the other hand, technically speaking, the discovery of endurance-
enhancing drugs does lag behind strength-enhancing drugs in my
understanding.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: key word: Kenyan sprinter.
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w********5
发帖数: 54 | 44 她跑的时候还是EPO的年代。当时血检不完善，后来完善了马俊仁不去改养藏獒了吗。
记得当年每次看她们比赛的报道都说运动员低烧仍然坚持比赛，好佩服他们呀。后来知
道EPO的副作用是会发低烧。我记得她奥运会因为头疼的退役了。这是不是也是副作用
呢。
不过现在据说有改性的EPO，血检不出来。不知道是真的还是假的。 |
e*******p
发帖数: 11748 | 45 LOL~~~看照片这结论真对~
【在 m******r 的大作中提到】
: 看来不长跑会粗腿
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n***y
发帖数: 15001 | |
l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 47 用禁药在力量形运动如短跑举重和耐力形运动如长跑自行车等都普遍存在，只是用的药
不同，前者帮助肌肉生长和恢复后者主要用于提高血液的携氧能力。从技术上
来说，前者历史较长，有一套有效可靠的检测方法，容易给逮住，后者较新，也不容易
监测到。
所以现代竞技体育，不管是那种类型，只要有巨大的商业利益，就会有作弊。
没查出来不等于干净。不需要把某项运动如长跑看得如何圣洁。
业余性质的运动才是干净的，因为除了显摆没有经济利益在里面，没必要冒健康风险去
服药。 |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 48 Wrong. First of all, you hardly know anything about distance running. Second
of all, plenty of amateur
bodybuilders in the US use steroids. Nothing personal, but distance running
is a sport of integrity, and
bodybuilding as a sport is a joke.
【在 l******l 的大作中提到】
: 用禁药在力量形运动如短跑举重和耐力形运动如长跑自行车等都普遍存在，只是用的药
: 不同，前者帮助肌肉生长和恢复后者主要用于提高血液的携氧能力。从技术上
: 来说，前者历史较长，有一套有效可靠的检测方法，容易给逮住，后者较新，也不容易
: 监测到。
: 所以现代竞技体育，不管是那种类型，只要有巨大的商业利益，就会有作弊。
: 没查出来不等于干净。不需要把某项运动如长跑看得如何圣洁。
: 业余性质的运动才是干净的，因为除了显摆没有经济利益在里面，没必要冒健康风险去
: 服药。
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 49 "plenty of amateur bodybuilders in the US use steroids."
I really doubt most amateur bodybuilders have the incentives to do that
... But I do see the professional runners have the incentives.
"Nothing personal, but distance running is a sport of integrity, and
bodybuilding as a sport is a joke."
Sounds like a 毛泽东语录 ....
Second
running
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Wrong. First of all, you hardly know anything about distance running. Second
: of all, plenty of amateur
: bodybuilders in the US use steroids. Nothing personal, but distance running
: is a sport of integrity, and
: bodybuilding as a sport is a joke.
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p******n
发帖数: 9144 | 50 I think the amateurs will use more because no one would check them.
【在 l******l 的大作中提到】
: 用禁药在力量形运动如短跑举重和耐力形运动如长跑自行车等都普遍存在，只是用的药
: 不同，前者帮助肌肉生长和恢复后者主要用于提高血液的携氧能力。从技术上
: 来说，前者历史较长，有一套有效可靠的检测方法，容易给逮住，后者较新，也不容易
: 监测到。
: 所以现代竞技体育，不管是那种类型，只要有巨大的商业利益，就会有作弊。
: 没查出来不等于干净。不需要把某项运动如长跑看得如何圣洁。
: 业余性质的运动才是干净的，因为除了显摆没有经济利益在里面，没必要冒健康风险去
: 服药。
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 51 Interesting....
In the first thought, this sounds "right". If no highway patrol, drivers
might do speeding more frequently . However, I guess mostly the
speeding drivers really worry about highway patrols.
【在 p******n 的大作中提到】
: I think the amateurs will use more because no one would check them.
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e*******p
发帖数: 11748 | 52 我们老师曾跟马家军队员攀谈过，他们参赛的时候体温最高的达到39度，不知道真假~ |
s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 53 估计的还是量的? 参赛的时候如何量?
Anyway, 好象我们跑步的时候都汗如雨下....
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【在 e*******p 的大作中提到】
: 我们老师曾跟马家军队员攀谈过，他们参赛的时候体温最高的达到39度，不知道真假~
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 54 Sweating is the mechanism body regulates its temperature, doesn't
necessarily mean elevated body temperature.
【在 s*********n 的大作中提到】
: 估计的还是量的? 参赛的时候如何量?
: Anyway, 好象我们跑步的时候都汗如雨下....
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: ~
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s*********n
发帖数: 2283 | 55 Interesting...
Hmmmm ... I guess sweating usually is a necessary condition to high body
temperature. Did I say it is a sufficient condition?
Normal body temperature is about 37C. As I know, a runner's body
temperature can be fluctuating up to 3C during his/her running.
【在 l******l 的大作中提到】
: Sweating is the mechanism body regulates its temperature, doesn't
: necessarily mean elevated body temperature.
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