c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 1 (1) Joel Stein, The Rise of Vegan Moguls; Steve Wynn, Russell Simmons, Bill
Clinton and a comparable cast of heavies are now using tempeh to assert
their superiority. A look at what gives. Bloomberg BusinessWeek, Nov. 4,
2010 9title in the print).
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_46/b4203103862097.htm
My comment:
(a) There is no need to read the report.
(b) In the subtitle:
tempeh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempeh
(tempe in Indonesian, is made by a natural culturing and controlled
fermentation process that binds soybeans into a cake form. Tempeh is unique
among major traditional soy-foods in that it is the only one that did not
originate in China or Japan)
(ii) Tempeh (from Whoel Foods)
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=126
("Tempeh has been a staple in Indonesia for over 2000 years")
(iii) Tempeh originates at Java, Indonesia. Japanese is テンペ, so
definitely it did not begin in Japan.
(2) Rahul Jacob, Chef Margaret Xu Yuan's Passion for Local Ingredients Have
Made a Name for her Hong King Restaurant; Chinese Source; Can sourcing
locally ever be more than a one-woman crusade in a city that is a poster-boy
for globalisation
A Hong Kong chef who grows her own vegetables. Financial Times, Nov. 6, 2010.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/cec10512-e6e0-11df-8894-00144feab49a.html
My comment:
(a) Honestly I have no idea who she is. But it appears she is a big shot.
(b) 李昂, 以獨特烹調術聞名的香港名廚徐蒝. 大紀元, Oct. 2, 2010.
http://www.epochtimes.com/b5/10/10/2/n3042964.htm
(Margaret Xu Yuan; "其獨到之處是她餐館的名字 [Yin Yang]，她為餐館取名「陰陽
」（ 英語）也稱「鴛鴦」（中文）")
Naturally pinying for 陰陽 is ying yang. I am Cantonese (and born and raised
inTaiwan), so Cantonese pronunciation for 鴛鴦 is NOT yin yang or Ying Yang
. I guess she took some liberty in naming her restaurants--in English and in
Chinese (Cantonese or Mandarin).
(c) quizzical (adj): "mildly teasing or mocking "
All definitions are from www.m-w.com, except noted.
(d) corny (adj): "mawkishly old-fashioned : tiresomely simple and
sentimental "
(e) non sequitur (n; Latin, it does not follow): "a statement (as a response
) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything
previously said"
(f) Wanchai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanchai
(灣仔; section 1 Name)
(g) borscht (n): "a soup made primarily of beets and served hot or cold
often with sour cream"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borscht
(soup of Ukrainian origin)
(h) moreish (adj): "UK INFORMAL APPROVING
(of food) having a very pleasant taste and making you want to eat more"
Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/moreish | c******e
发帖数: 263 | 2 Very interesting article! Thanks for sharing. I think it is very true that
it is not easy to have a balanced nutrient diet with vegan style, but it is
doable.
However, the food mentioned here is the one I have never heard of. Any
chance you can elaborate more in Chinese? Have Chinese ever had such food to
begin with? It seemed such food is not from China.Can you think of any
Chinese soy products similar to tempeh? Also, I do not know where can you
buy such products with organic soy, any suggestions? I think you know how
bad it is to consume regular soy, especially in US.
Thanks!
Bill
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: (1) Joel Stein, The Rise of Vegan Moguls; Steve Wynn, Russell Simmons, Bill
: Clinton and a comparable cast of heavies are now using tempeh to assert
: their superiority. A look at what gives. Bloomberg BusinessWeek, Nov. 4,
: 2010 9title in the print).
: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_46/b4203103862097.htm
: My comment:
: (a) There is no need to read the report.
: (b) In the subtitle:
: tempeh
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempeh
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 3 (1) I am a bit confused. I have tow reports in the original posting. You are
talking about the first report only?
(2) Your second paragraph mentioned "the food." Did you mean tempeh? Having
come from Taiwan, I have resided in US (nostly in Boston) for a quarter
century. I almost forget how to speak or write Chinese.
(a) But Tempeh originated from Java, Indonesia. There was no such thing in
Taiwan before I left there in 1984. Apparently Japanese consider it foreign,
that is why they use katakana 片仮名 (reserved for loanword 外來語; as
opposed to hiragana 平仮名; there is no corresponding Kanji 漢字 for tempeh
in Japan).
(b) Tempeh Reuben sandwich seems to be a fad recently.
Jill, Tempeh Ruben and Power Bowl for Lunch at Sacred Chow. May 13, 2010.
http://veganbackpacker.com/blog/sacred-chow-veagn-vegetarian-new-york/
(i) The store name Sacred Chow is a play on the phrase sacred cow, AND on
Chow as a relatively common Chinese name.
(ii) Reuben sandwich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_sandwich
(section 1 Origin)
Tempeh Reuben sandwich replace corned beef/pastrami with tempeh.
(3) When I wrote the original, I read the Japanese-language Wikipedia
already.
テンペ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%86%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9A
, whose paragraph 1 says, "Written as tempe in Indonesian language and
tempeh in English, tempeh had its origin in Java, Indonesia, and is derived
from fermentatin of soy bean by tempeh germ. It tastes like natto 納豆,
smells a bit foul, but will not draw strings when pulled apart.
natto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D
http://recipes.wikia.com/wiki/Natto
(4) I assume one can buy tempeh and/or natto in a specialty or ethnic (
Japanese/Korean/Chinese) supermarket or store. As you can expect (now that
my original posting included a link from Whole Foods trumpeting its
nutritional value), Whole Foods sells various dishes of tempeh (besides
uncooked ones--I searched its web site just now) but not natto.
Very interesting article! Thanks for sharing. I think it is very true that
it is not easy to have a balanced nutrient diet with vegan style, but it is
doable.
However, the food mentioned here is the one I have never heard of. Any
chance you can elaborate more in Chinese? Have Chinese ever had such food to
begin with? It seemed such food is not from China.Can you think of any
Chinese soy products similar to tempeh? Also, I do not know where can you
buy such products with organic soy, any suggestions? I think you know how
bad it is to consume regular soy, especially in US.
Thanks!
【在 c******e 的大作中提到】
: Very interesting article! Thanks for sharing. I think it is very true that
: it is not easy to have a balanced nutrient diet with vegan style, but it is
: doable.
: However, the food mentioned here is the one I have never heard of. Any
: chance you can elaborate more in Chinese? Have Chinese ever had such food to
: begin with? It seemed such food is not from China.Can you think of any
: Chinese soy products similar to tempeh? Also, I do not know where can you
: buy such products with organic soy, any suggestions? I think you know how
: bad it is to consume regular soy, especially in US.
: Thanks!
| l********3
发帖数: 17249 | | c******e
发帖数: 263 | 5 Thanks for your prompt response!
There is no Wholefood nearby here, but I am sure I can find it from other
local stores. If you think tempeh is kind of "fad"now, I am curious now and
would like to explore it.
Anyway, thanks for such a informative article!
If you could written it all in one language, it may be better understood.
are
Having
foreign,
tempeh
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: (1) I am a bit confused. I have tow reports in the original posting. You are
: talking about the first report only?
: (2) Your second paragraph mentioned "the food." Did you mean tempeh? Having
: come from Taiwan, I have resided in US (nostly in Boston) for a quarter
: century. I almost forget how to speak or write Chinese.
: (a) But Tempeh originated from Java, Indonesia. There was no such thing in
: Taiwan before I left there in 1984. Apparently Japanese consider it foreign,
: that is why they use katakana 片仮名 (reserved for loanword 外來語; as
: opposed to hiragana 平仮名; there is no corresponding Kanji 漢字 for tempeh
: in Japan).
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 6 No, no, no. I said the sandwich was a fad.
I included a little Chinese, because I thought you had a hard time reading
English (and that is the most I can do with Chinese).
I thought about your statement about "soy bean only." I do not have time
today, and will continue tomorrow.
and
【在 c******e 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for your prompt response!
: There is no Wholefood nearby here, but I am sure I can find it from other
: local stores. If you think tempeh is kind of "fad"now, I am curious now and
: would like to explore it.
: Anyway, thanks for such a informative article!
: If you could written it all in one language, it may be better understood.
:
: are
: Having
: foreign,
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 7 In your first reply, what did you mean when you wrote, "I think you know how
bad it is to consume regular soy."
I think you meant soy bean. But were you saying you were eating soy bean all
the time, and seeking ways to eat the bean in more ways (to diversify menu)
? Or did you mean that you were troubled by a single souce of protein (from
soy bean)? | c******e
发帖数: 263 | 8 Soy is the only plant that offer complet protein, and it has been consumed
by Asain population for more than thousand years. However, due to more than
90% of soy in US is GMO product, eating regular soy products can do more
harm than good. The negative impact of GMO,the pesticide residue on soy, and
the estrogen effect of soy make soy products look not that attractive.
However, a healthy individual can consume organic and non-GMO soy products
as a source of protein since it does not contain any cholesterol. This
conclusion leads to my previous statement. This is my main concer for the
soy products. I need organic and non-GMO soy products since I am a lacto-
vegetarian. It is interesting that some product are organic, but GMO. I had
some organic seedless grapes few weeks back, but I realize that grapes
should have seeds. Hence, organic does not equal non-GMO.
Anyway, thanks for such a great article! I will start looking for this new
soy product in the nearby supermarket.
how
all
menu)
from
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: In your first reply, what did you mean when you wrote, "I think you know how
: bad it is to consume regular soy."
: I think you meant soy bean. But were you saying you were eating soy bean all
: the time, and seeking ways to eat the bean in more ways (to diversify menu)
: ? Or did you mean that you were troubled by a single souce of protein (from
: soy bean)?
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 9 In your first posting dated Nov. 6, 2010 you wrote, "I think you know how
bad it is to consume regular soy, especially in US."
My first impression was that you ate soy bean for source of protein and was
getting weary of it. (Another interpretation was you hoped for more recipes
for soy bean.)
When I wanted to tackle this issue, I read that posting again, and became
unsure about what you meant exactly. That was why I asked for clarification.
Your answer raised a couple of interesting questions, whose opening sentence
said, "Soy is the only plant that offer complet protein"--the one I had
anticipated. However, your answer had more.
I needed time to address them.
I will deal with the first issue in this posting. Namely combination of
vegan, organic and non-GMO (genetically modified organism) complicates life.
Two more postings will follow that discuss soy bean as source of complete
porotein and seedless grape, respectively.
``````````````````````
Originally from Taiwan, I have resided in US for a quarter century. It is
difficult for me to complete speaking or writing a sentence in Chinese.
Whenever Chinese characters appear, they are mere translation.
I am a omnivore, trained as a biologist--biochemistry was my strong suit but
I am familiar with molecular genetics also.
Rather than feeling holier than thou, I agree to disagree. After all, a
person live by conviction.
(1) The takeawy from biochemistry is that a person need not take supplements
(vitamins or anything else), as long as he eating habit is not confined to
a few things. Still, iron-deficient anemia is common.
Iron and Iron Deficiency. CDC, undated.
http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/everyone/basics/vitamins/iron.html
Read answers to two questions:
Who is most at risk?
Dietary Sources of Iron
(2) There are others in US who are vegan + organic + non-GMO. And you may
have joined groups like this.
At first I thought it must be very difficult to source organic + non-GMO, as
teh latter is not labeled as such in US. Even you find suppliers--likelyu
from out of state--shipping and handling as well as lack of economies of
scale (both on the supplier side and the demand side, the latter being you,
who can not buy bulk) translates into higher price. More important, one may
not have enough choices of food items (see next posting).
Fortunately, Whole Foods has pledges:
(a) Genetically Engineered Foods. Whole Foods, undated.
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/values/genetically-engineered.php
("When developing our store brand products, we work with our manufacturers
to source non-genetically engineered ingredients")
(b) Organic Food
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/values/organic.php
But you do not have a store near you.
(3) Nonetheless I cannot help wondering if it is possible to avoid GMOs at
all.
And it makes no sense if one buys/consumes non-GMO sporadically.
There are not many agricultural products that are GMOs. So it is easier to
avoid them (though lack of labeling is a problem).
Once a person get sick, however, the medicine may come from GMOs:
specifically the bacteria.
Two example.
(a) Insulin used to extract from pancreas of pork or beef pancreas.
Inevitably, proteins from pigs and cows will be present, causing allergy.
Commercial insulin are produced by genetically modified bacteria (how pure
it is I do not know off hand, but can not possibly without impurities from
bacteria).
Albeit composed of just 51 amino acids, (human) insulin can not be
synthesized chemically.
(b) Used to treat ovarian cancer (initially), taxol was isolated from bark
of Pacific yew Taxus brevifolia.
"Robert A Holton of Florida State University succeeded in the total
synthesis of paclitaxel [chemically] in 1994 * * * In 1989 Holton had also
developed a semisynthetic route to paclitaxel[, new generic name for taxol]
starting from 10-deacetylbaccatin III. This compound is a biosynthetic
precursor and is found in larger quantities than paclitaxel itself in Taxus
baccata (the European Yew). In 1990 Bristol-Myers Squibb bought a licence to
the patent for this process which in the years to follow earned Florida
State University and Holton (with a 40% take) over 200 million US dollars."
Paclitaxel total synthesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paclitaxel_total_synthesis
A few Taiwanese went so far as to attempt to steal the know-how. They were
caught.
Notable Industrial Espionage Cases. US Department of Agriculture, undated.
http://www.dm.usda.gov/ocpm/Security%20Guide/Spystory/Industry.htm
The link listed two cases related to Taiwan nationals.
(i)
HSU Kai-lo 徐 凱樂
Chester H HO 何 小台
Jessica CHOU 周華萍
Yuen Foong Paper Manufacturing Company 永豐紙業公司
Note: 章忠信, 永豐案之分析. Dec. 1, 2001.
http://www.copyrightnote.org/crnote/bbs.php?board=24&act=read&id=9
(ii)
Pin Yen YANG 楊 斌彥
Hwei Chen YANG (aka Sally YANG) 楊 惠珍
Four Pillars Enterprise Company 四維膠帶公司
Ten Hong LEE 李 天宏
Note: 章忠信, 四維案之分析. Nov. 27, 2001.
http://www.copyrightnote.org/crnote/bbs.php?board=24&act=read&id=7
* * *
【在 c******e 的大作中提到】
: Soy is the only plant that offer complet protein, and it has been consumed
: by Asain population for more than thousand years. However, due to more than
: 90% of soy in US is GMO product, eating regular soy products can do more
: harm than good. The negative impact of GMO,the pesticide residue on soy, and
: the estrogen effect of soy make soy products look not that attractive.
: However, a healthy individual can consume organic and non-GMO soy products
: as a source of protein since it does not contain any cholesterol. This
: conclusion leads to my previous statement. This is my main concer for the
: soy products. I need organic and non-GMO soy products since I am a lacto-
: vegetarian. It is interesting that some product are organic, but GMO. I had
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 10 You wrote, "Soy is the only plant that offer complet protein."
It is incorrect.
(1) First and foremost, introduction to amino acids.
There are twenty amino acids that are encoded by genetic codes. There are
additional, minor ones that result from biochemical modification AFTER
assembly of amino acids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code
(codon)
(a) "In an alpha amino acid, the amino group is attached to the carbon atom
immediately adjacent to the carboxylate group (the α–carbon)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid
Away from the carboxylate group, the next carbon in the trank is beta; the
next, gamma; etc.
(b) Animals can not make essential amino acids from scratch, but have to
obtain them from plants/bacteria/fungus.
Cereals ALONE (without bean, milk, or egg) can supply enough essential amino
acids. See
Nutritional Quality of Cereals.*
http://www.fao.org/docrep/x2184e/x2184e05.htm
* A web page from
Haard NF, Odunfa SA, Lee C-H, Quintero-Ramirez R, Lorence-Quiñones A
and Wacher-Radarte C, Fermented Cereals; A Global Perspective. Food and
Agriculture Organization (FAO), United Nations Rome 1999 (FAO Agricultural
Services Bulletin No. 138; ISBN 92-5-104296-9).
In other words, soy bean is not the only game in town.
(2) Then there are essential amino acids.
essential fatty acid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid
(fatty acids that humans and other animals must ingest for good health
because the body requires them but can't make them from other food
components; There are only two EFAs: alpha-linolenic acid, an omega-3 fatty
acid, and linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid; section 3 Food Sources)
* Becasue plant/fungus/bacteria make plenty essential fatty acids, they are
of no concern.
(to be continued)
| | | c******e
发帖数: 263 | 11 Wow! This is really educational! Looking forward to your next post.
One thing is about Wiki, I am not quite sure the info from Wiki is all
accurate and correct.
atom
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: You wrote, "Soy is the only plant that offer complet protein."
: It is incorrect.
: (1) First and foremost, introduction to amino acids.
: There are twenty amino acids that are encoded by genetic codes. There are
: additional, minor ones that result from biochemical modification AFTER
: assembly of amino acids.
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code
: (codon)
: (a) "In an alpha amino acid, the amino group is attached to the carbon atom
: immediately adjacent to the carboxylate group (the α–carbon)."
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 12 I do not trust any one source.
You may raise questions as you see fit. It is give-and-take.
【在 c******e 的大作中提到】
: Wow! This is really educational! Looking forward to your next post.
: One thing is about Wiki, I am not quite sure the info from Wiki is all
: accurate and correct.
:
: atom
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 13 About--and continuing from--the previous posting attached below).
Correction:
(a) "(2) Then there are essential amino acids." The "amino" should be "fatty
."
(b) Bacteria do not make an essential fatty acid. Fungus does.
Note:
(a) The carbons in the chain (as opposed to occasional branches) of fatty
acids are counted in the same manner as those of amino acids: alpha, beta,
gamma and so on. But fatty acids can be long-chain, more than 20 carbons. To
refer to the other end (opposite from the alpha carbon), the first carbon
there is designated omega. See section 2 Nomenclature and terminology
in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid
(In the previous posting about amono acids--(1)--I wrote, "Away from the
carboxylate group, the next carbon in the trank is beta; the
next, gamma; etc." I meant "trunk" but would like to change it to "chain" to
avoid confusion. You see, long- or medium-chain fatty acids are standard
terms in science.)
(b) section 2.2: "Mammals lack the ability to introduce double bonds in
fatty acids beyond carbon 9 and 10, hence ω-6 linoleic acid (18:2,9,12),
abbreviated LA, and the ω-3 [alpha-]linolenic acid (18:3,9,12,15),
abbreviated ALA, are essential for man in the diet."
(c) The "linolenic" in "alpha-linolenic acid" is an irregular spelling. See
linolenic acid
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/linolenic%20acid
(see "Origin")
The standard spelling in International Scientific Vocabulary should be
linoleic acid
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/linoleic%20acid
(Origin: Greek linon flax + International Scientific Vocabulary oleic (acid)
)
(i) flaxseed 亞麻仁子 or 亞麻子 in Taiwan
(ii) oleic acid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid
(mono-unsaturated omega-9 fatty acid; 18:1 cis-9)
(3) The FAO page is macro, a crude estimation of the humanity. See (1)(b)
previous. Besides, it will be meaningless if a person has to eat, say, ten
bowls of rice to obtain enough essential amino acids. It is not the case,
however, as the same implies children, who do not eat as much as adults, can
get enough essential amino acids, from grains alone.
There is an authorative analysis that is micor (focusing on an individual)
and very quantitative. Food Pyramid is an inter-agency collaboration of
Federal government. See next.
(4) Appendix E-3.3 Vegetarian Food Patterns: Food Pattern Modeling Analysis.
Note:
(a) Said appendix is part of
Report of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee on the Dietary
Guidelines for Americans, 2010. US Department of Agriculture (USDA), June 15
, 2010.
http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/DGAs2010-DGACReport.htm
> PART E Appendices
> Appendix E-3: USDA Food Pattern Analyses (click it and reach a new web
page)
> Appendix E-3: USDA Food Pattern Modeling Analyses (click "E3.3 Vegetarian
Food Patterns [button ends here]. How well do plant-based or vegetarian food
patterns, adapted from the USDA food patterns, meet IOM and potential DG
2010 nutrient recommendations?")
The following are footnotes for E3.3.
(b) "(base) USDA food patterns" alludes to what an omnivore like me eat.
The IOM in "IOM Dietary Reference Intakes" means Institute of Medcine.
DG: Dietary Guidelines
isocaloric (adj): same calory
(c) You mention yuo are lacto-vegetarian--omitting eggs. For simplicity, I
will assume you are a total vegan, who does not eat animal products--for a
VEGAN gets all he or she needs EXCEPT a few vitamins (read E3.3).
So, let's go to "Table B3 Vegan food patterns: Daily amounts for food groups
and weekly amounts of vegetable and meat & beans subgroups." p. 17.
(i) B points out the fact that Table B belongs to Appendix B, to this
Appendix E3.3.
(ii) The "c" means "cup."
(iii) Read footnote 2 to Table B3 carefully, which states in toto: "Total
recommended cooked dry beans and peas amounts would be the sum of amounts
recommended in the vegetable and the meat & beans groups. An ounce eq of
cooked dry beans and peas in the meat & beans group is ¼ cup. For
example, in the 2000 calorie pattern, total weekly cooked dry beans and peas
recommendation is (13 oz eq /4) + 1.5 cups = ~5 cups."
The column of "2,000" AND the row "Dry beans & peas" intersect with the
notation "13 oz eq/wk" where "eq" is "equivalent."
Where does the denominator "4" come from? Because the footnote alread says,
"An ounce eq of cooked dry beans and peas in the meat & beans group is &
frac14; cup." So deviding "13 oz eq" by 4 gets the number of "cups."
(d) "In many cases, amounts of a nutrient in all patterns were well above
the RDA or AI. While lower in the vegetarian patterns in comparison to the
base patterns, amounts of protein, zinc, and selenium were adequate in all
patterns. * * * No pattern contained less than the RDA for the most limiting
amino acid." p. 8.
The last sentence refers to lysine.
"Lysine, identified by the IOM as likely to be the most limiting essential
amino acid in vegetarian diets, met or exceeded the Recommended Dietary
Allowances (RDAs) for all age/gender groups at targeted energy levels. Based
on our analysis of lysine content, we concluded that it was unlikely that
any of the other eight essential amino acids would be less than the RDA in
these food patterns." (footnote omitted)
Britten P, Lyon J, Weaver CM, Kris-Etherton PM, Nicklas TA, Weber JA and
Davis CA, REPORT: MyPyramid Food Intake Pattern Modeling for the
Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee. p. 4/10.
http://www.mypyramid.gov/professionals/MyPyramidDevelopment/JNEBPatternModeling.pdf#xml=http://65.216.150.153/texis/search/pdfhi.txt?query=%22essential+amino+acid%22&pr=MyPyramid&rdepth=0&sufs=2&order=r&cq=&id=4cc8b3437
* * *
essential fatty acid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid
(fatty acids that humans and other animals must ingest for good health
because the body requires them but can't make them from other food
components; There are only two EFAs: alpha-linolenic acid, an omega-3 fatty
acid, and linoleic acid, an omega-6 fatty acid; section 3 Food Sources)
* Becasue plant/fungus/bacteria make plenty essential fatty acids, they are
of no concern.
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: I do not trust any one source.
: You may raise questions as you see fit. It is give-and-take.
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 14 In theprevious posting:
* I am unsure if I was correct when I wrote in (c): "Food Pyramid is an
inter-agency collaboration of Federal government."
So I will replace it with the following: "The food pyramid is published
every five years by Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), US
Department of Agriculture."
* at (4)(d): The AI stands for "Adequate Intake."
In addition, neither rice nor corn contains gluten, a protein composite but
compensated by other proteins, both have similar amount of essential amino
acids and total proteins as those of gluten-bearing cereals. | c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 15 In the posting No. 9, I misspelled "takeawy." It should be "takeaway."
Adequate Intake (AI) is a term coined by Institute of Medicine, and
Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA), Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
In the previous posting, I wrote something which is attached below. It may
be construed that genetic engineered grape(s) is already in the market or in
the pipeline for commercialization.
A check of any GMO database will tell you there is no GMO grape. I apologize.
The second most popular grapes in US--after Thompson--"Flame grapes were
developed in California. They are the result of a cross between Thompson,
Cardinal and other grape varieties. * * * These grapes are seedless."
Grapes (from Encyclopedia of Ftuits & Veggies). Dole, undated.
http://www.dole.com/SuperKids/Encyclopedia/Types/tabid/832/Default.aspx?contentid=2516
"The European grape, V vinifera has several seedless varieties, some
OF which are very important viticulturally. Sultanina, the Thompson
Seedless of California, is the basis of the seedless raisin industry.
Black Corinth produces the dried currents of commerce, most of which
come from Greece. Black Monukka and several others are grown. * * * These V.
vinifera varieties produce no seeds, but their pollen is good
so they are used as pollen parents in crosses with seeded varieties" and
successfully produce all sorts of seedless grapes now in th emarkets.
Seedless Grape Breeding at Geneva. New York State Agriculture Experiment
Stataion (NYSAES) & College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, Cornell
University, undated.
http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/hort/faculty/reisch/bronx-seedless-bull794.pdf
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Benjamin Burr and Frances Burr, How do seedless fruits arise and how are
they propagated? Scientific American, Oct. 2, 2000.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-do-seedless-fruits-ar
(banana is triploid)
banana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana
Quote:
"lthough fruit of wild species (Musa balbisiana) have large, hard seeds,
virtually all culinary bananas are "seedless", have only tiny seeds.
"Seeded bananas (Musa balbisiana), the forerunner of the common domesticated
banana, are sold in markets in Indonesia.
"While the original bananas contained large seeds, triploid cultivars with
tiny seeds are preferred for human raw fruit consumption [next to this
sentence is a picture of cut wild bana, with seeds]
(to be continued)
* * *
(ii) The locus of grape seedlessness is known--but what gene(s) are
responsible remain unknown. So seedless grapes may be generated by moving a
chunk of DNA including the locus to a grape variety with seeds, to see if
seedlessness come up. This is a typical definition of GMO (unlike Kyoho).
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: In theprevious posting:
: * I am unsure if I was correct when I wrote in (c): "Food Pyramid is an
: inter-agency collaboration of Federal government."
: So I will replace it with the following: "The food pyramid is published
: every five years by Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), US
: Department of Agriculture."
: * at (4)(d): The AI stands for "Adequate Intake."
: In addition, neither rice nor corn contains gluten, a protein composite but
: compensated by other proteins, both have similar amount of essential amino
: acids and total proteins as those of gluten-bearing cereals.
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发帖数: 263 | 16 Sincerely thank you! Really inforamtive!
but
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: In theprevious posting:
: * I am unsure if I was correct when I wrote in (c): "Food Pyramid is an
: inter-agency collaboration of Federal government."
: So I will replace it with the following: "The food pyramid is published
: every five years by Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion (CNPP), US
: Department of Agriculture."
: * at (4)(d): The AI stands for "Adequate Intake."
: In addition, neither rice nor corn contains gluten, a protein composite but
: compensated by other proteins, both have similar amount of essential amino
: acids and total proteins as those of gluten-bearing cereals.
| x*******i
发帖数: 819 | 17 我在素食版也转了第一篇文章。很有趣，看来我们趣味类似。但是写文章的人明显不是
素食者，他提
到的很多东西对素食者来说都早就是普通得不得了的饮食了，只不过还没有像豆腐一样
被所有人群了
解。另外vegan的饮食既不难，也不贵，只是需要花些时间来了解知识还要有一定的自
我控制。这个
对所有人都一样。如果没有做到这两点，素食还是非素食，都会不健康的。我们都认识
很多饮食不健
康的非素食者。
Tempeh很好吃，做起来也方便，还有非常多口味，推荐大家试试。我早餐经常吃。除了
营养价值，
tempeh里有一种特有的probiotic strain,非常强大，甚至能够抗击疟疾。纳豆natto在
大陆发
展很快。我刚开始介绍妈妈爸爸吃的时候，他们跑遍全北京，只在一家高档百货店的食
品店里找到。
现在所有超市都有，也便宜多了。好像很多老人现在都在吃。我感觉亚洲人对健康饮食
的重视和接受
度大大超过这里。
Bill
assert
4,
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: (1) Joel Stein, The Rise of Vegan Moguls; Steve Wynn, Russell Simmons, Bill
: Clinton and a comparable cast of heavies are now using tempeh to assert
: their superiority. A look at what gives. Bloomberg BusinessWeek, Nov. 4,
: 2010 9title in the print).
: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_46/b4203103862097.htm
: My comment:
: (a) There is no need to read the report.
: (b) In the subtitle:
: tempeh
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempeh
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