b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 1 he's just not an NFL QB. don't be misled by the 4-1 record,
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b**l 发帖数: 33123 | 2 要是后面干掉狗熊和拍子,大家该没意见了吧?
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : he's just not an NFL QB. don't be misled by the 4-1 record, : even Craig Krenzel started 3-0 at Chicago bears.
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f**********n 发帖数: 10757 | 3 tebow传球稍微差点,可是 其他优点 off the charts,你要是有rodgers, brady,
manning,brees当然好了,比其他的也差不多,我看他不比ponder差多少。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : he's just not an NFL QB. don't be misled by the 4-1 record, : even Craig Krenzel started 3-0 at Chicago bears.
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 4 1. 他的传球可不是"稍微差点", 而是差到令人摇头的地步。
他的职务是QB, 但传球却很糟,
这是"其他优点"能补救的么? NO.
2. 他还有一样QB必备的条件很差:
他不懂得解读防守. Simply cannot read defense.
He won't last long.
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : tebow传球稍微差点,可是 其他优点 off the charts,你要是有rodgers, brady, : manning,brees当然好了,比其他的也差不多,我看他不比ponder差多少。
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f**********n 发帖数: 10757 | 5 不能read defense,今年TD/int ratio还是7:1,要是能read,得成什么样啊?tebow聪
明的很,这些东西还能提高。
Tebow is a winner, that's all that matters!
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : 1. 他的传球可不是"稍微差点", 而是差到令人摇头的地步。 : 他的职务是QB, 但传球却很糟, : 这是"其他优点"能补救的么? NO. : 2. 他还有一样QB必备的条件很差: : 他不懂得解读防守. Simply cannot read defense. : He won't last long.
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l**k 发帖数: 45267 | 6 现在说winner早了点,有待观察
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 不能read defense,今年TD/int ratio还是7:1,要是能read,得成什么样啊?tebow聪 : 明的很,这些东西还能提高。 : Tebow is a winner, that's all that matters!
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r*********e 发帖数: 29495 | |
f**********n 发帖数: 10757 | 8 不是光说nfl,是指整个球员生涯。
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】 : 现在说winner早了点,有待观察
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l**k 发帖数: 45267 | 9 we don't care about pre-nfl career here
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 不是光说nfl,是指整个球员生涯。
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S*******r 发帖数: 11017 | 10 他阅读防守差在对方的防传COVERAGE
对于对方的BLITZ显然很在行
昨天那个20码跑
显然就是读懂了对方的BLITZ的表现
当然了 作为一个QB
读不懂对方的放传COVERAGE是不能接受的
提包的功课多着呢
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : 1. 他的传球可不是"稍微差点", 而是差到令人摇头的地步。 : 他的职务是QB, 但传球却很糟, : 这是"其他优点"能补救的么? NO. : 2. 他还有一样QB必备的条件很差: : 他不懂得解读防守. Simply cannot read defense. : He won't last long.
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f**********n 发帖数: 10757 | 11 当然care了,不然他为啥是first round pick? 在哪是winner,都有气质原因。他可能
是最成功的大学球员,更体现领导能力,这个能力在nfl要求更高
【在 l**k 的大作中提到】 : we don't care about pre-nfl career here
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 12 48%的传球成功率, 每次出手挣5.7码,
这两项在NFL都排在第50名左右. NFL只有32个队.
每次出手挣5.7码 -- 毫无疑问, 他只能短传.
离他五米以外的, 他就够不着了.
他人品球品都很出色, I get that. Heck, I even like that.
我也不反感他的宗教信仰.
But I just don't think he is a good NFL QB.
除非给他配一个85年的狗熊/00年的乌鸦那样级别的防守,
我想没人指望他指挥的进攻能打进playoff, the criterion for anointing a NFL "winner"
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 不能read defense,今年TD/int ratio还是7:1,要是能read,得成什么样啊?tebow聪 : 明的很,这些东西还能提高。 : Tebow is a winner, that's all that matters!
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l**k 发帖数: 45267 | 13 选人的时候需要参考,进来之后咱就只管在nfl的表现了
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 当然care了,不然他为啥是first round pick? 在哪是winner,都有气质原因。他可能 : 是最成功的大学球员,更体现领导能力,这个能力在nfl要求更高
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M******k 发帖数: 27573 | 14 看pass coverage和blitz有很大区别吗? 也许提包的问题是近视眼....
【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】 : 他阅读防守差在对方的防传COVERAGE : 对于对方的BLITZ显然很在行 : 昨天那个20码跑 : 显然就是读懂了对方的BLITZ的表现 : 当然了 作为一个QB : 读不懂对方的放传COVERAGE是不能接受的 : 提包的功课多着呢
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 15 Wow ... of course 有很大区别.
The Jets should not have blitzed Tebow at all.
Just play basic vanilla coverage, and dare him to beat you with NFL throws.
【在 M******k 的大作中提到】 : 看pass coverage和blitz有很大区别吗? 也许提包的问题是近视眼....
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x****u 发帖数: 262 | 16 Agree with you here, at least it is the case in Madden.
I play against Denver few times, blitze doesn't work (which is usually my
first choice), but whenever I change to coverage formation, Tebow can not
complete most of the pass.
It seems EA figurs it out before NFL.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : Wow ... of course 有很大区别. : The Jets should not have blitzed Tebow at all. : Just play basic vanilla coverage, and dare him to beat you with NFL throws.
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 17 Thanks.
But, Jesus, I don't even know how to reply a post like this.
NFL is the ultimate reality show,
yet, it has been foreshadowed by computer simulation?
The last time I played Madden NFL was, ho ho, 1999,
and I reallly did not like it that much. It only lasted a weekend.
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : Agree with you here, at least it is the case in Madden. : I play against Denver few times, blitze doesn't work (which is usually my : first choice), but whenever I change to coverage formation, Tebow can not : complete most of the pass. : It seems EA figurs it out before NFL.
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M******k 发帖数: 27573 | 18 我的本意是读懂pass coverage的能力和读懂blitz的能力有很大区别吗.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : Wow ... of course 有很大区别. : The Jets should not have blitzed Tebow at all. : Just play basic vanilla coverage, and dare him to beat you with NFL throws.
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S*******r 发帖数: 11017 | 19 Identifying blitz is just part of reading pass coverage.
I guess since Tebow was a spread options QB in college, he is more familiar
with blitz. Simply put, "Spread Options" basically is option runs out of
spread formation.
【在 M******k 的大作中提到】 : 看pass coverage和blitz有很大区别吗? 也许提包的问题是近视眼....
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 20 ??
读懂blitz -- either they come with a non-DL, or not. Then, whichever side
the blitzer comes, embrace that chaos, look directly behind him, there
should be a huge void vacated by him blitzing, and pray your TE/Slot WR read
the same thing and is stationing there waiting for a quick pass and long
gain.
读懂pass coverage -- much much harder, some NFL QBs don't even understand it
until they are sitting comfortably on the couch, watching the game film, in
slow-mo, for the second time.
【在 M******k 的大作中提到】 : 我的本意是读懂pass coverage的能力和读懂blitz的能力有很大区别吗.
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x****u 发帖数: 262 | 21 Well, of course the Madden game is just a game, nothing more. But you can
play thousands of snaps and try every possible strategies against a weird
opponent (such as Denver).
Say you choose to blitze two LB, and each of them have 15% possiblility to
crack OL and reach QB within 4s. On the other hand, Tebow has 70%
possibility to make one tackler miss, and 0% to make two miss. Then about 10
% of chance you can sack Tebow.
Ok, let's assume Tebow can complete 90% against loose coverage and 30%
against tight coverage. Then Tebow can complete 80% if you blitz and 30% if
you don't.
So don't blitz Tebow.
If against Manning. Say he only has 20% to make trackler miss, complet 90%
against loose coverage and 70% against tight coverage.
Then the number changes to 72% against 70%, so against those pro style QB,
you can do either way.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : Thanks. : But, Jesus, I don't even know how to reply a post like this. : NFL is the ultimate reality show, : yet, it has been foreshadowed by computer simulation? : The last time I played Madden NFL was, ho ho, 1999, : and I reallly did not like it that much. It only lasted a weekend.
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j**y 发帖数: 7014 | 22 Madden太V5了!!!!
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】 : Agree with you here, at least it is the case in Madden. : I play against Denver few times, blitze doesn't work (which is usually my : first choice), but whenever I change to coverage formation, Tebow can not : complete most of the pass. : It seems EA figurs it out before NFL.
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a***n 发帖数: 5520 | 23 denver能赢球很大一部分是因为防守,除了oakland那场他家qb扔了3个pick,其他场次
把对手得分限制在了18分以下 |
M******k 发帖数: 27573 | 24 alright, I get it.
read
it
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【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : ?? : 读懂blitz -- either they come with a non-DL, or not. Then, whichever side : the blitzer comes, embrace that chaos, look directly behind him, there : should be a huge void vacated by him blitzing, and pray your TE/Slot WR read : the same thing and is stationing there waiting for a quick pass and long : gain. : 读懂pass coverage -- much much harder, some NFL QBs don't even understand it : until they are sitting comfortably on the couch, watching the game film, in : slow-mo, for the second time.
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a***n 发帖数: 5520 | 25 除了oakland那场,denver控球之间不占什么优势,基本跟对手持平,相反防守造成了
对手不少turnover,denver进攻不好难道是什么新闻么 |
x******2 发帖数: 4034 | 26 提包赢球,提包饭很高兴,你要理解,虽然提包被Hype的厉害
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】 : 除了oakland那场,denver控球之间不占什么优势,基本跟对手持平,相反防守造成了 : 对手不少turnover,denver进攻不好难道是什么新闻么
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a***n 发帖数: 5665 | 27 野马进攻控球时间长?看看昨天丹佛一共才多少个first down,多少次3rd and out。 |
a***n 发帖数: 5520 | 28 你一场跑50多次,哪里来turnover的机会,遇到进攻好的队,你denver怎么办?还能跑
50次么 |
a***n 发帖数: 5520 | 29 对denver我没多大研究的兴趣,事实是tebow赢这几场,控球时间跟对手差不多,这还
是在以跑攻为主的情况下 |
l*****8 发帖数: 16949 | 30 控球时间长?连续8个punt,大概有6-7个3and out。Denver的O除了没有turnover,还
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c*******i 发帖数: 951 | 31 蛋不是这么扯的...麻烦你回家看那个TD的录像,Tebow中途看穿了Jets的blitz,然后
喊了Audible把play改成mass protection。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : ?? : 读懂blitz -- either they come with a non-DL, or not. Then, whichever side : the blitzer comes, embrace that chaos, look directly behind him, there : should be a huge void vacated by him blitzing, and pray your TE/Slot WR read : the same thing and is stationing there waiting for a quick pass and long : gain. : 读懂pass coverage -- much much harder, some NFL QBs don't even understand it : until they are sitting comfortably on the couch, watching the game film, in : slow-mo, for the second time.
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P*******e 发帖数: 39399 | 32 我咋觉得我们ponder还是可塑之才呢
至少中规中矩 让人感觉有上升空间。。。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : tebow传球稍微差点,可是 其他优点 off the charts,你要是有rodgers, brady, : manning,brees当然好了,比其他的也差不多,我看他不比ponder差多少。
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P*******e 发帖数: 39399 | 33 我觉得提包给NFL带来了一股“清新”之风
去年MV虽然关键时刻掉了链子 但是毕竟大大增加了观赏性
今年提包确实也带来了这个效果 对于根本不在乎他跟野驴好坏的球迷来说
能享受一天是一天 人生得意需尽欢
希望提包能一直这么玩
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 不能read defense,今年TD/int ratio还是7:1,要是能read,得成什么样啊?tebow聪 : 明的很,这些东西还能提高。 : Tebow is a winner, that's all that matters!
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