l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | | B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | | x******2
发帖数: 4034 | | c******5
发帖数: 1740 | 4 扣子会不会选luck放弃曼宁？
就像49人当年放走蒙大拿一样
【在 x******2 的大作中提到】
: 老曼宁发话了，他儿子和Luck，扣子只能二选一
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 5 I would. No QB has ever won Super Bowls with two teams.
But then the Colts can't really trade him for much -- teams know PM will be
a free agent in March.
【在 c******5 的大作中提到】
: 扣子会不会选luck放弃曼宁？
: 就像49人当年放走蒙大拿一样
| s********k
发帖数: 6180 | 6 蒙大拿那个情况完全不一样啊，Luck能跟steve young相比？steve young在49er放走蒙
大拿之前就搞定了MVP吧？
【在 c******5 的大作中提到】
: 扣子会不会选luck放弃曼宁？
: 就像49人当年放走蒙大拿一样
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 7 If I were the Colts, I would trade PM for, say, a 1st and a 2nd. I bet '
Skins or Jets would do it.
Then I would also trade away the #1 over all pick, for the moon, and pick
Barkeley at #3 or #4.
The two moves would probably net 5 or 6 extra premium picks. That's a
rebuilding plan.
【在 s********k 的大作中提到】
: 蒙大拿那个情况完全不一样啊，Luck能跟steve young相比？steve young在49er放走蒙
: 大拿之前就搞定了MVP吧？
| c******5
发帖数: 1740 | 8 校花差一点， 可惜被哈里森的100码搞黄了
be
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: I would. No QB has ever won Super Bowls with two teams.
: But then the Colts can't really trade him for much -- teams know PM will be
: a free agent in March.
| c******5
发帖数: 1740 | 9 准备以巴克利为核心来重建？
我觉得还不如留下luck
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: If I were the Colts, I would trade PM for, say, a 1st and a 2nd. I bet '
: Skins or Jets would do it.
: Then I would also trade away the #1 over all pick, for the moon, and pick
: Barkeley at #3 or #4.
: The two moves would probably net 5 or 6 extra premium picks. That's a
: rebuilding plan.
| c******5
发帖数: 1740 | 10 蒙大拿要不是90年受伤，杨那有机会上位
【在 s********k 的大作中提到】
: 蒙大拿那个情况完全不一样啊，Luck能跟steve young相比？steve young在49er放走蒙
: 大拿之前就搞定了MVP吧？
| | | B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 11 Ho ho, love that hit ...
【在 c******5 的大作中提到】
: 蒙大拿要不是90年受伤，杨那有机会上位
| x******2
发帖数: 4034 | 12 有好签也保不齐乱选，而且猪头小队长竟然还没下课
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: If I were the Colts, I would trade PM for, say, a 1st and a 2nd. I bet '
: Skins or Jets would do it.
: Then I would also trade away the #1 over all pick, for the moon, and pick
: Barkeley at #3 or #4.
: The two moves would probably net 5 or 6 extra premium picks. That's a
: rebuilding plan.
| l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 13 找了几个替罪羊。赛季开始前先把RB coach赶走了，现在又赶走了DC.扣子最该滚蛋的
就是三个人：Bill, Chris Pollin和猪头小队长。
【在 x******2 的大作中提到】
: 有好签也保不齐乱选，而且猪头小队长竟然还没下课
| c******5
发帖数: 1740 | 14 猪头小队长应该是有人力保吧
【在 x******2 的大作中提到】
: 有好签也保不齐乱选，而且猪头小队长竟然还没下课
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 15 上天给了扣子好几样武器啊
#1 over allpick;
an all-time great QB in a passing league;
A college QB who everybody think is a can't-miss;
Another college QB who probably has a higher ceiling, albeit a lower floor.
如果打对了这手好牌, 又可以玩十几年.
【在 x******2 的大作中提到】
: 有好签也保不齐乱选，而且猪头小队长竟然还没下课
| z******n
发帖数: 1223 | 16 别介，他玩十几年我们德州人不又没戏了。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 上天给了扣子好几样武器啊
: #1 over allpick;
: an all-time great QB in a passing league;
: A college QB who everybody think is a can't-miss;
: Another college QB who probably has a higher ceiling, albeit a lower floor.
: 如果打对了这手好牌, 又可以玩十几年.
| M******k
发帖数: 27573 | 17 如果老板没有想法的话,有多少好签都是白给.
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 找了几个替罪羊。赛季开始前先把RB coach赶走了，现在又赶走了DC.扣子最该滚蛋的
: 就是三个人：Bill, Chris Pollin和猪头小队长。
| l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 18 要给MVP也只能追补往年的。 以前曼宁的价值被低估了。现在补发。
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 我还以为只是球迷开玩笑。
: http://www.indystar.com/article/20111207/SPORTS03/111207018/Is-
| l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 19 媒体上说说无所谓，我就想看看今年是不是真的有人投票给他。当然他不可能真的拿到
。今年的MVP肯定是阿龙了。
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: 要给MVP也只能追补往年的。 以前曼宁的价值被低估了。现在补发。
| m*****y
发帖数: 2424 | 20 Actually, that hit had nothing to do with the elbow injury that sidelined
Montana next season and eventually led to his departure to KC.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Ho ho, love that hit ...
| | | B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 21 Yes it did have everything to do with it. After the game the 49ers even accused
Marshall of intentionally twisting and breaking Montana's arm on their way
to the ground. I heard Marshall defending his play on the news myself,
vivid and sweet memory like yesterday.
【在 m*****y 的大作中提到】
: Actually, that hit had nothing to do with the elbow injury that sidelined
: Montana next season and eventually led to his departure to KC.
| m*****y
发帖数: 2424 | 22 The injury he suffered from the sack was a broken bone in his hand, which
had nothing to do with the recurring elbow injury that costed his starting
job at SF. Still, he had a full recovery and played 2 successful seasons
with the chiefs before retiring as the best qb who has ever played the
position. I don't blame the giants for trying to hurt him, after all, that's
the only way they think they can beat the 49ers. Still, it took them a fake
punt and a fluke fumble to win by 2 after Montana was out.
Speaking of fond memories, don't forget the wild card game in 2003 when the
49ers beat the giants 39:38 after coming back from 24 points down, only the
second best come-back win in playoff history. And last but not the least, 27
:20, 4 weeks ago. The giants still have not recovered from that loss,
because they have not won a game since then. Scoreboard!
accused
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes it did have everything to do with it. After the game the 49ers even accused
: Marshall of intentionally twisting and breaking Montana's arm on their way
: to the ground. I heard Marshall defending his play on the news myself,
: vivid and sweet memory like yesterday.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 23 Did you forget that after that game, the NFL issued an open apology to the
Giants, stating that a PI penalty should have been called on the last play
of the game, giving the Giants a chance for the game-wining FG attempt from
20 yards out?
Did that qualify SF's win as "fluke"?
Nah, never mind, you can have that one, as SF lost the very next week anyway.
For me, I will always relish hearing Pat Summerall of CBS calling Matt Bahr'
s game-winning FG in the 1990 NFCCG to the entire country as " ... There
will be NOOOOO three-peat for San Francisco!!". He played for the Giants in
the 1950s, in case you wonder if he had a bias;
Or the fact that the last meaningful snap in Joe Montana's 49ers career was
a bone-crushing hit by Lenoard Marshall that, when he came back more than a
year later, he did not even have a job any more. Yeah, you go ahead and try
to convince yourself that his 49ers days weren't terminated by a Giant.
Or, the fact that Montana had a 16-5 playoff records, but only 2-3 against
the Giants, including losing the last 3 straight -- were they all "fluke"
too? -- two of which the Giants went on to win the Super Bowl.
the
【在 m*****y 的大作中提到】
: The injury he suffered from the sack was a broken bone in his hand, which
: had nothing to do with the recurring elbow injury that costed his starting
: job at SF. Still, he had a full recovery and played 2 successful seasons
: with the chiefs before retiring as the best qb who has ever played the
: position. I don't blame the giants for trying to hurt him, after all, that's
: the only way they think they can beat the 49ers. Still, it took them a fake
: punt and a fluke fumble to win by 2 after Montana was out.
: Speaking of fond memories, don't forget the wild card game in 2003 when the
: 49ers beat the giants 39:38 after coming back from 24 points down, only the
: second best come-back win in playoff history. And last but not the least, 27
| m*****y
发帖数: 2424 | 24 At least the 49ers had a chance to three-peat, which is more than you could
say for the giants who never had a chance to even repeat! As a matter of
fact, Montana's career with the 49ers was ended by Steve Young, another hall
-of-famer who kicked the giants ass numerous times including a 44:3 rout on
the way to winning the super bowl.
Did I ever say any win/loss was a fluke? A win is a win is a win, bad luck
or good luck, only the scoreboard counts, so tough shit for the fumble and
ditto for the no call. But letting a team come back from 24 points down in 2
quarters in a playoff game takes some magnificent choking, a record
surpassed only by the oilers who had to skip town and ditch their name to be
rid of the stench.
Speaking of records, why don't you post Montana's career records as a 49ers vs the giants? What's the matter, cat's got
you tongue?
from
anyway.
Bahr'
in
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Did you forget that after that game, the NFL issued an open apology to the
: Giants, stating that a PI penalty should have been called on the last play
: of the game, giving the Giants a chance for the game-wining FG attempt from
: 20 yards out?
: Did that qualify SF's win as "fluke"?
: Nah, never mind, you can have that one, as SF lost the very next week anyway.
: For me, I will always relish hearing Pat Summerall of CBS calling Matt Bahr'
: s game-winning FG in the 1990 NFCCG to the entire country as " ... There
: will be NOOOOO three-peat for San Francisco!!". He played for the Giants in
: the 1950s, in case you wonder if he had a bias;
| M******k
发帖数: 27573 | | z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 26 agree
they need much more than just a QB
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: If I were the Colts, I would trade PM for, say, a 1st and a 2nd. I bet '
: Skins or Jets would do it.
: Then I would also trade away the #1 over all pick, for the moon, and pick
: Barkeley at #3 or #4.
: The two moves would probably net 5 or 6 extra premium picks. That's a
: rebuilding plan.
| l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 27 话是这么说，但QB是一个球队的根基。在现在这个鼓励传球的大环境下，一个球队没有
好的QB,是不可能保持长久繁荣的。其他位置好了，一个队可以好一两年，但顶级的QB
可以让一个队强盛很多年。扣子，拍子，港人都是粒子。所以如果Luck确实是那么好的
话，如果我是总经理，从长远来说，肯定是trade PM。PM以他的年龄，最多再打3-5年
。如果选了Luck,而且LUck确实和大家hype的一样的话，扣子可以在保持强盛10来年。
如果按大兰的方案，短期对球队很好，但3-5年以后就很难说了。
【在 z*i 的大作中提到】
: agree
: they need much more than just a QB
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 28 Luck只是非常非常可靠,
他一定一定不会成为Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf那样的大巴斯特,
也不会像Mike Vick这样惹场外的麻烦,
但他是不是就能成为PM, TB这样超一流的球星, 那可没人打保票, 那还远着呢.
Phil Simms不就说他的臂力其实不够么?
那可是天生的, 没法补救的.
QB
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 话是这么说，但QB是一个球队的根基。在现在这个鼓励传球的大环境下，一个球队没有
: 好的QB,是不可能保持长久繁荣的。其他位置好了，一个队可以好一两年，但顶级的QB
: 可以让一个队强盛很多年。扣子，拍子，港人都是粒子。所以如果Luck确实是那么好的
: 话，如果我是总经理，从长远来说，肯定是trade PM。PM以他的年龄，最多再打3-5年
: 。如果选了Luck,而且LUck确实和大家hype的一样的话，扣子可以在保持强盛10来年。
: 如果按大兰的方案，短期对球队很好，但3-5年以后就很难说了。
| M*****a
发帖数: 7122 | 29 makes sense. Colts without peyton manning, can only win coin tosses...
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 我还以为只是球迷开玩笑。
: http://www.indystar.com/article/20111207/SPORTS03/111207018/Is-
| m*****y
发帖数: 2424 | 30 回归主题，Luck是自PM以来唯一一个被一致看好是can't miss first pick QB，Simms
除外，他的论点也难令人信服，臂力不好不等于不能成为超级QB，Montana 的臂力在头
几年也一直为人诟病，后来就再也没人提起了。其实Simms的原话是he can't make all
the NFL throws，不单单是臂力，是指他的pass比较单一不像pro的有各种不同，i.e.
high and away, fade, back shoulder, drop in, floater等等各种touch pass。在
历史上像这种draft时被公认是大牛后来也确实进了名人堂的还是颇有几个，比如John
Elway, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, 未来的PM.总而言之我比较相信这个Luck hype，
Colts现在是选Luck的最佳时机，PM还可打两年帮Luck扶上马送一程，即使Luck以后证
明不是超一流，至少也是中上，万一真是名人堂的料错过了可就后悔莫及了。所以我觉
得Colts选Luck是个no brainer，或许他们就是故意在防水suck for Luck，不是没人干
过这种事，不信去问Jimmy Johnson。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Luck只是非常非常可靠,
: 他一定一定不会成为Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf那样的大巴斯特,
: 也不会像Mike Vick这样惹场外的麻烦,
: 但他是不是就能成为PM, TB这样超一流的球星, 那可没人打保票, 那还远着呢.
: Phil Simms不就说他的臂力其实不够么?
: 那可是天生的, 没法补救的.
:
: QB
| | | b********n
发帖数: 4256 | 31 Jimmy Johnson 干过故意防水这种事？ 说出来听听？
回归主题，Luck是自PM以来唯一一个被一致看好是can't miss first pick QB，Simms
除外，他的论点也难令人信服，臂力不好不等于不能成为超级QB，Montana 的臂力在头
几年也一直为人诟病，后来就再也没人提起了。其实Simms的原话是he can't make all
the NFL throws，不单单是臂力，是指他的pass比较单一不像pro的有各种不同，i.e.
high and away, fade, back shoulder, drop in, floater等等各种touch pass。在
历史上像这种draft时被公认是大牛后来也确实进了名人堂的还是颇有几个，比如John
Elway, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, 未来的PM.总而言之我比较相信这个Luck hype，
Colts现在是选Luck的最佳时机，PM还可打两年帮Luck扶上马送一程，即使Luck以后证
明不是超一流，至少也是中上，万一真是名人堂的料错过了可就后悔莫及了。所以我觉
得Colts选Luck是个no brainer，或许他们就是故意在防水suck for Luck，不是没人干
过这种事，不信去问Jimmy Johnson。
【在 m*****y 的大作中提到】
: 回归主题，Luck是自PM以来唯一一个被一致看好是can't miss first pick QB，Simms
: 除外，他的论点也难令人信服，臂力不好不等于不能成为超级QB，Montana 的臂力在头
: 几年也一直为人诟病，后来就再也没人提起了。其实Simms的原话是he can't make all
: the NFL throws，不单单是臂力，是指他的pass比较单一不像pro的有各种不同，i.e.
: high and away, fade, back shoulder, drop in, floater等等各种touch pass。在
: 历史上像这种draft时被公认是大牛后来也确实进了名人堂的还是颇有几个，比如John
: Elway, Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, 未来的PM.总而言之我比较相信这个Luck hype，
: Colts现在是选Luck的最佳时机，PM还可打两年帮Luck扶上马送一程，即使Luck以后证
: 明不是超一流，至少也是中上，万一真是名人堂的料错过了可就后悔莫及了。所以我觉
: 得Colts选Luck是个no brainer，或许他们就是故意在防水suck for Luck，不是没人干
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