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M****m
发帖数: 3243
l**k
发帖数: 1755
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oh yeah....
hehe. I just finished reading it, it is quite long and striking..... You
should read it before making comments.... I was shocked by a lots of hidden
secrets I was not aware of before.... about spygate.
就是想问问狗带二, 这些和汤哥这次放气门有啥关系?
总结一下:Patriots 老板提携了狗带二,这斯感恩图报,在spygate后迅速毁灭证据,
引起其他老板不满。于是这次小题大做,准备狠狠搞汤哥一下。没想到被打脸,急了,
只好翻旧帐。。。现在就是一嘴毛。
C*****E
发帖数: 2679
3
总结一下:
source
source
source
perception
belief
source
source
source

hidden

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: oh yeah....
: hehe. I just finished reading it, it is quite long and striking..... You
: should read it before making comments.... I was shocked by a lots of hidden
: secrets I was not aware of before.... about spygate.
: 就是想问问狗带二, 这些和汤哥这次放气门有啥关系?
: 总结一下:Patriots 老板提携了狗带二,这斯感恩图报,在spygate后迅速毁灭证据,
: 引起其他老板不满。于是这次小题大做,准备狠狠搞汤哥一下。没想到被打脸,急了,
: 只好翻旧帐。。。现在就是一嘴毛。

l**k
发帖数: 1755
4
You didn't get it, the whole point is not about spy gate.... hehe.
这是狗急跳墙了,翻旧帐掀桌子了,我敢打赌这篇是某些球队老板授意的。我预测这只
是吹响了号角,坐等更多猛料。

【在 C*****E 的大作中提到】
: 总结一下:
: source
: source
: source
: perception
: belief
: source
: source
: source
:

M****m
发帖数: 3243
5
List一下"hidden secrets ?"

hidden

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: oh yeah....
: hehe. I just finished reading it, it is quite long and striking..... You
: should read it before making comments.... I was shocked by a lots of hidden
: secrets I was not aware of before.... about spygate.
: 就是想问问狗带二, 这些和汤哥这次放气门有啥关系?
: 总结一下:Patriots 老板提携了狗带二,这斯感恩图报,在spygate后迅速毁灭证据,
: 引起其他老板不满。于是这次小题大做,准备狠狠搞汤哥一下。没想到被打脸,急了,
: 只好翻旧帐。。。现在就是一嘴毛。

l**k
发帖数: 1755
6
其实我是很喜欢拍子的,汤哥饭,尤其是这次super bowl.
不过有时候有点搞不明白, 一涉及到自己的球队,眼前看见的一切都可以使不存在的
或者黑白颠倒的。就比如这次ESPN的拍黑熊文
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-e
还有下面这位老兄的评论。究竟是英文不好还是选择性无视。这篇文章可不是简单的
source->perception->belief......
这可是ESPN的隆重推出的重磅炸弹,我只是不能接受这么有水平的埋了很多伏笔的阴险
的居心叵测的拍黑雄文被贬低到一个好像无关痛痒的程度。

【在 C*****E 的大作中提到】
: 总结一下:
: source
: source
: source
: perception
: belief
: source
: source
: source
:

l**k
发帖数: 1755
7
hidden secrets to me.... I didn't know such detail in before... hehe.
anyway, my point/interest is not spy gate, I was totally impressed by the
NFL fight back strategy: Lose in court? Let's bring back Spygate! Oh yeah...
hehe

【在 M****m 的大作中提到】
: List一下"hidden secrets ?"
:
: hidden

M****m
发帖数: 3243
8
很久没有follow nfl了么?smear campaign 这种用烂了的招数也能impress你

..

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: hidden secrets to me.... I didn't know such detail in before... hehe.
: anyway, my point/interest is not spy gate, I was totally impressed by the
: NFL fight back strategy: Lose in court? Let's bring back Spygate! Oh yeah...
: hehe

l**k
发帖数: 1755
9
一直follow啊。
不过看见当年的一对山盟海誓的小甜甜kraft and Godell如今拔刀相向感觉很娱乐。
还有我的确非常impressed spy gate 的深度和广度,还有小鸡的聪明。
为了不引火烧身,我还是要声明一句,我不认为spy gate帮助小鸡拿到了任何super
bowl。 对我来说这是是真是假就是个娱乐,尤其是看到我最最讨厌的 Hines Ward酸葡
萄一样的歪宁,真是身心愉悦,哈哈。

【在 M****m 的大作中提到】
: 很久没有follow nfl了么?smear campaign 这种用烂了的招数也能impress你
:
: ..

P********t
发帖数: 141
10
It's human nature.

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 其实我是很喜欢拍子的,汤哥饭,尤其是这次super bowl.
: 不过有时候有点搞不明白, 一涉及到自己的球队,眼前看见的一切都可以使不存在的
: 或者黑白颠倒的。就比如这次ESPN的拍黑熊文
: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-e
: 还有下面这位老兄的评论。究竟是英文不好还是选择性无视。这篇文章可不是简单的
: source->perception->belief......
: 这可是ESPN的隆重推出的重磅炸弹,我只是不能接受这么有水平的埋了很多伏笔的阴险
: 的居心叵测的拍黑雄文被贬低到一个好像无关痛痒的程度。

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这个星期非常之怪我对放气门几点看法
关于nfl是不是在bounty问题上虚伪The Truth About Spygate: Punishing Success and Promoting Parity
这放气门与比赛结果无关Chris Harris Jr 叫嚣 hit Gronk in his knees
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J**e
发帖数: 15008
11
根本没看,也不care,espn啥素质不是没见过。现在说多少假话我都不奇怪。

..

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: hidden secrets to me.... I didn't know such detail in before... hehe.
: anyway, my point/interest is not spy gate, I was totally impressed by the
: NFL fight back strategy: Lose in court? Let's bring back Spygate! Oh yeah...
: hehe

b*****u
发帖数: 1978
12
我理解狐狸债主的意思,可能不是说由 source -> perception,而是
摘要了整篇文章的关键词。这篇文章看似很翔实,但其实充斥着
perception / belief / ... 这些主观判断,比如采访某某,回答总是
I believe ... These teams feel ... 等等,可是客观事实 fact 在哪里?
即便是引用了许多貌似陈述事实,也往往是 some employee 说
当时这样这样,some coach 说当时那样那样,可就是不说这个
source 是谁,如此这般,怎么知道不是该记者随手瞎编的故事、
或者断章取义的曲解?
最好的谎话,不是通篇假话,而是若干真话加上若干假话。这篇文章
里面可能有一些的确可以证实的事实,但这些事实不足以支持他们的
allegations,因此,额外炮制另外一些更“猛”更“狠”的料,混在
不咸不淡的事实当中,于是,所有的话也就摇身一变,混成了事实。
拍饭倒也不必好惊讶和气愤,春秋笔法而已,以 perception 代 fact 。
Allegations 再多,无所谓,球场上赢球才重要。

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: 其实我是很喜欢拍子的,汤哥饭,尤其是这次super bowl.
: 不过有时候有点搞不明白, 一涉及到自己的球队,眼前看见的一切都可以使不存在的
: 或者黑白颠倒的。就比如这次ESPN的拍黑熊文
: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-e
: 还有下面这位老兄的评论。究竟是英文不好还是选择性无视。这篇文章可不是简单的
: source->perception->belief......
: 这可是ESPN的隆重推出的重磅炸弹,我只是不能接受这么有水平的埋了很多伏笔的阴险
: 的居心叵测的拍黑雄文被贬低到一个好像无关痛痒的程度。

i*********r
发帖数: 5101
13
我的天,终于读完了。
我的问题是,如果nfl其他的队多多少少也都干,只不过没拍子和小鸡干得仔细和彻底
,那是不是有点酸葡萄阿。
NFL本质就是个黑社会,玩不过就集体开会重新划地盘是不是有点儿无能阿。
A*****a
发帖数: 52743
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最春秋的笔法是:
according to sources that are not willing to expose their names, ......
[在 baifayu (惯看秋月春风) 的大作中提到:]
:我理解狐狸债主的意思,可能不是说由 source -> perception,而是
:摘要了整篇文章的关键词。这篇文章看似很翔实,但其实充斥着
:...........
m********s
发帖数: 55301
15
可以理解,你辛辛苦苦忙了几十年才建立起的刚刚开始赚钱的企业,就被一个不知哪儿
来的连中国话都说不利索的愣小子给抢走了。
心中无限恼怒。

【在 i*********r 的大作中提到】
: 我的天,终于读完了。
: 我的问题是,如果nfl其他的队多多少少也都干,只不过没拍子和小鸡干得仔细和彻底
: ,那是不是有点酸葡萄阿。
: NFL本质就是个黑社会,玩不过就集体开会重新划地盘是不是有点儿无能阿。

T*******e
发帖数: 4110
16
重定规则。可这帮人新规则还是不如Patriots吃的透,怎么办?!

【在 m********s 的大作中提到】
: 可以理解,你辛辛苦苦忙了几十年才建立起的刚刚开始赚钱的企业,就被一个不知哪儿
: 来的连中国话都说不利索的愣小子给抢走了。
: 心中无限恼怒。

s******n
发帖数: 518
17
这么长的文章你都仔细读了,下面这段bleacher report 上的一定也看一下
This is pretty ludicrous, slanted reporting. Anyone can report something as
fact and make it sound convincing. Just look at the deadspin article about
Derek Jeter's "gay sexual relationship." The ESPN report fails to mention
that it is completely legal to tape from the booths, it is only illegal from
the sidelines. Filming opposing teams coaches for signals is still legal
today. When Mike Shanahan was coaching the Broncos he said himself "Our guys
keep a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game. With any luck
, we have their defensive signals by the end of the first quarter." It also
starts out in the setting with the 08' owners meetings and the illegal tapes
being screened there, but fails to mention that owners along with members
of the media saw the tapes. The article then proceeds to act like nobody saw
them, and Goodell orchestrated a coverup. High ranking officials from teams
the article claims were cheated out of wins have said they have no issue
with spygate and felt it gave no advantage. The only viewpoint the article
offers is one from a rogue senator on a witch hunt, while failing to
acknowledge all opposing sides specifically the NFL itself along with the
teams that are apart of it. It also basically uses good plays as evidence of
cheating. Because defenders were ready and were quick to the ball, they
cheated? That's an absolutely horrible case built of paranoia and prebuilt
subjective assertions and tales from players who said it "seemed" like the
patriots knew what was coming. Not to mention the article implies stealing
signals predicted plays with 50% accuracy at the most all the way to
completely unreliable, but then attempts to convince readers of impeccable
accuracy in Super Bowls, always knowing what was coming. It also uses the
retracted report the Patriots filmed practices and walk-throughs as evidence
. Really? They used a report retracted as false as evidence but provide no
tangible evidence as to why there was any source of legitimacy to it. The
lack of evidence is alarming in itself, but the fact that they tried to use
a report that the reporter himself retracted is even worse. The source
himself contradicted it but it was still used as legitimate point. The piece
repeatedly throws sanctions and accusations with no source other that word
of mouth that go beyond the point of believable and into deep levels of
espionage. Word of mouth is the primary source this article is built off of.
According to word of mouth Bigfoot is real, alien abductions happen all the
time. Peoples' word on experience and what they perceive is the most
unreliable source in the world. At some point you can't believe everything
any team has said. Just because a headset cut in and out doesn't mean the
patriots did it. That's paranoia which serves as no form of evidence. There
is nothing tangible about any of the claims made beyond spygate which as
Belichick once said, is filming hand signals that are in plain sight of 80,
000 in a stadium along with people watching on TV. The report is quick to
point out everything wrong without fully informing readers about what is and
isn't legal and without giving proper context to any of the accusations or
situations described.

hidden

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: oh yeah....
: hehe. I just finished reading it, it is quite long and striking..... You
: should read it before making comments.... I was shocked by a lots of hidden
: secrets I was not aware of before.... about spygate.
: 就是想问问狗带二, 这些和汤哥这次放气门有啥关系?
: 总结一下:Patriots 老板提携了狗带二,这斯感恩图报,在spygate后迅速毁灭证据,
: 引起其他老板不满。于是这次小题大做,准备狠狠搞汤哥一下。没想到被打脸,急了,
: 只好翻旧帐。。。现在就是一嘴毛。

s******n
发帖数: 518
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spygate狗带根本就没护着pats.所谓阴谋论纯属瞎掰
“It's almost as if people don't realize it was never against the rules to
tape games and tape opposing sidelines. After Goodell issued a memo about it
in 2006 he insisted you could no longer tape a game from the sidelines (
which isn't how the NFL can change a rule, but I digress). Then the Jets get
caught taping endzones against the Pats, no punishment. Pats tape the Jets,
massive fines. The only team that got caught taping a practice was the
Broncos back in 2010 and their fine was much smaller.”
“It also
starts out in the setting with the 08' owners meetings and the illegal tapes
being screened there, but fails to mention that owners along with members
of the media saw the tapes. The article then proceeds to act like nobody saw
them, and Goodell orchestrated a coverup. High ranking officials from teams
the article claims were cheated out of wins have said they have no issue
with spygate and felt it gave no advantage.”

hidden

【在 l**k 的大作中提到】
: oh yeah....
: hehe. I just finished reading it, it is quite long and striking..... You
: should read it before making comments.... I was shocked by a lots of hidden
: secrets I was not aware of before.... about spygate.
: 就是想问问狗带二, 这些和汤哥这次放气门有啥关系?
: 总结一下:Patriots 老板提携了狗带二,这斯感恩图报,在spygate后迅速毁灭证据,
: 引起其他老板不满。于是这次小题大做,准备狠狠搞汤哥一下。没想到被打脸,急了,
: 只好翻旧帐。。。现在就是一嘴毛。

d********y
发帖数: 2114
19
Mike Shanahan: ‘Everybody’ was trying to steal signals
Speaking on “The Dan Patrick Show” Wednesday morning, former Broncos,
Raiders and Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said that when he was coaching,
every team was going to extremes when it came to trying to steal signs.
“Back then, everybody was trying to steal signals,” said Shanahan. “Some
of the best quarterbacks in the league had different cue cards from the
sideline — depending [on the] defense or blitz — and tried to do
everything they could. They looked at [videotaping] for a lot of years, and
came up with a final verdict. I could go back and tell you a hundred
different stories.”
Shanahan said NFL teams — including the ones he coaches — frequently swept
for listening devices, and not just when they were facing playing the
Patriots in Foxboro.
“We’d have people sweep the locker room for devices,” he said. “It was
with a number of teams. The same thing on the sideline.”
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriot

it
get
Jets,
tapes

【在 s******n 的大作中提到】
: spygate狗带根本就没护着pats.所谓阴谋论纯属瞎掰
: “It's almost as if people don't realize it was never against the rules to
: tape games and tape opposing sidelines. After Goodell issued a memo about it
: in 2006 he insisted you could no longer tape a game from the sidelines (
: which isn't how the NFL can change a rule, but I digress). Then the Jets get
: caught taping endzones against the Pats, no punishment. Pats tape the Jets,
: massive fines. The only team that got caught taping a practice was the
: Broncos back in 2010 and their fine was much smaller.”
: “It also
: starts out in the setting with the 08' owners meetings and the illegal tapes

E********t
发帖数: 4091
20
今天谢尔曼说的很好
大家都做 但不是谁都能做好而且赢了比赛
冲这个表态 我对谢尔曼又黑转路人了...
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如果没有SPYGATE, 校花是不是会多拿一个超级碗?这是NFL的做法
这次放气门看着象有人搞goodell这个星期非常之怪
我百思不得七姐: 白菜只长堂哥一岁,咋就衰老至此?关于nfl是不是在bounty问题上虚伪
放气门2为啥都没人关心这放气门与比赛结果无关
深感有些球迷输不起我对放气门几点看法
如果拍子作弊经调查属实个人觉得小鸡应该禁赛一年The Truth About Spygate: Punishing Success and Promoting Parity
法律就是法律Chris Harris Jr 叫嚣 hit Gronk in his knees
放气门最新进展saints大麻烦来了
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