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发帖数: 8706 | 1 http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2010/10/petzal-different-look-remington-model-700-trigger
Petzal: CNBC's Remington 700 Trigger Coverage A Clean Miss
Editor’s Note: In light of the recent controversial CNBC program that
deemed Remington Model 700 rifles unsafe, we asked Rifles Editor and Gun Nut
blogger David E. Petzal to view the broadcast and offer his thoughts in
this extended post. Petzal, a 54-year shooter, NRA Certified Rifle
Instructor, former Army Drill Sergeant, and one the country’s foremost gun
authorities, had this to say:
On October 20, CNBC ran a program entitled “Remington Under Fire: A CNBC
Investigation.” Claimed to be the result of 10 months’ of investigation by
CNBC, it was narrated by a Senior Correspondent named Scott Cohn. The focus
of the program was the trigger designed in the late 1940s for the Remington
721 (the predecessor to the 700) by Remington engineer Mike Walker.
According to CNBC, the trigger was known to be defective almost from its
inception; its design allegedly allows the rifle to be fired without the
trigger being pulled. This has resulted, the program claimed, in thousands
of complaints caused by accidental firings, as well as injuries and deaths.
Those are the bare bones. As I expected, “Remington Under Fire” was a
hatchet job. The verdict is guilty from the get-go. No one from Remington
would come on the program, nor would anyone from Cerberus, Remington’s
parent company. This is not because they have something to hide, but because
they know that if they appear on a program like this they will be made to
look like liars or fools or both. If you’d like an example, consult any of
the “documentaries” made by the lovely and talented Michael Moore.
Scott Cohn’s program exhibits an unsubtle mix of ignorance of the subject
as well as serious journalistic deficiencies. First is the attitude toward
guns as a whole. There were references to “safe” guns. Memo to Mr. Cohn:
There is no such thing as a safe gun. Guns are inherently dangerous, and
unless you handle them with care the results can be tragic. Everyone shown
on the program who was killed or wounded by a 700 suffered because either
they themselves or someone else pointed a 700 at them.
This is poignantly illustrated by the death of Gus Barber, a Montana boy who
was shot by his mother Barbara in 2000. Mrs. Barber was unloading a 700
whose muzzle was pointed at a horse trailer. On the far side of the trailer
was her son. The rifle went off; the bullet passed through the trailer; Gus
Barber died. This was a terrible tragedy, and I am very sorry for the
unbearable pain the Barbers suffered.
Rich Barber, Gus’ father, believes his son was killed because the rifle
went off accidentally. In fact, Gus Barber died because a rifle was pointed
at him. If the rifle had been pointed in a safe direction, all the Barbers
would have gotten was a bad scare.
This kind of tragedy can happen to anyone, with any gun, if he or she
ignores the prime directive of safe gun handling, put best by Jeff Cooper:
“Do not cover with the muzzle of a gun anything you do not wish to destroy.”
The CNBC program has a scene showing a Portland, Maine police sniper setting
off a 700 by simply tapping the bolt. Incredibly, Mr. Cohn asks no
questions at all about the rifle. Any journalist with even a modicum of gun
knowledge would have dragged the department’s armorer on camera and asked
this one simple question:
“Have you modified the trigger on this rifle?”
There is an interview with a West Coast range officer who states that 700s
fire accidentally with such frequency that these incidents are called “
Remington moments.” This is yet another example of more journalistic
ignorance. If the rifles are so unreliable, why did Cohn not ask the
gentlemen why they are allowed on the range?
In the course of the entire program, only one shooter is allowed camera time
to say what a great gun the 700 is. One. There are 5 million Model 700s out
there. Surely more than one person must like them. Could he possibly have
found two people to say nice things?
It is mentioned that Remington has just been awarded a contract to build 3,
000 more Model 700 sniper rifles, but that the Marines have had problems
with accidental firing. I guess it was too much trouble to have someone
explain that the 700 has been in continual service as a sniper rifle for
more than 40 years, and that is has served with distinction under some of
the most adverse conditions imaginable. Otherwise, why would the U.S.
Government be buying 3,000 more? Are the Marines and the Army crazy?
Here’s what I can tell you about the Model 700 with the original, Walker-
designed trigger (the new 700 trigger, the X-mark Pro, is a different design
).
• I got my first 700, actually a Model 725, in .222, in 1960. There
has never been a time since then when I have not owned at least one 700. I’
ve never had an accidental firing with any of them, nor have I seen one, and
we are talking hundreds of rifles and tens of thousands of rounds over 50
years.
• I’ve seen one 700 that should not have been handled. It was an ADL
in 6mm that was made in the late 1960s. Its owner allowed a shooter who
supposedly knew how to do so, to work on the trigger. He botched the job.
•And there we come to the crux of the matter. If the original 700
trigger has a fault, it is that it can be fooled with by anyone who has a
small screwdriver. The adjustments are delicate, and if you don’t know how
(or know enough) to keep sufficient engagement between the sear and the
trigger connector, the rifle can slam fire, or fire when it’s dropped, or
fire when the safety is flipped off. The same thing happens when you set the
trigger pull lower than 3 pounds; it is not designed to function below that
level, and there are some fools who love to take it down to 2 or 2 ½.
Right now I have an old 700 with a Walker trigger that has had over 5,000
rounds put through it with never a problem. But give me 5 minutes and a
jeweler’s screwdriver and I can make it dangerous.
Enough. I eagerly await Mr. Cohn’s next program. I’m hoping it will be on
why the public has so little confidence in news reporting. | f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 2 It is too painful to read long articles in english. Here is the chinese
version:
编者按：在最近争议CNBC的节目，光
雷明顿700型步枪被视为不安全的，我们要求编辑器和步枪枪螺母
博客大卫E Petzal查看广播，并提供他的想法在
这个扩展的职位。 Petzal，一个54岁的射手，全国步枪协会认证步枪
教练，前陆军教官，一个国家最重要的枪
当局曾这样说：
10月20日，CNBC的跑了题为“根据消防雷明顿一个方案：CNBC电视频道
调查。“自称是10个月的调查结果，由
CNBC电视频道，它是讲述一个叫斯科特科恩一资深记者。重点
该方案是在40年代末设计的雷明顿触发
721（对700的前身）的雷明顿工程师迈克沃克。
据CNBC电视频道时，触发器被称为是几乎从它的缺陷
成立以来，它的设计允许步枪据称没有被解职
触发被拉。这种现象将导致该计划声称，在数千
由意外射击，以及受伤和死亡造成的投诉。
这些都是光秃秃的骨头。正如我所料，“根据消防雷明顿”是一
斧头的工作。这一判决是有罪的，从一开始就。无论是从雷明顿一
会来上节目，也不会有人从地狱犬，雷明顿的
母公司。这并不是因为他们有话要隐藏的，而是因为
他们知道，如果他们出现在这样一个方案，他们将作出
像骗子或傻瓜或两者兼而有之。如果你喜欢一个例子会，征询任何
在“纪录片”的可爱和优秀的迈克尔摩尔提出。
斯科特科恩的计划表现出了对这个问题的无知unsubtle组合
新闻以及严重的缺陷。首先是态度
枪作为一个整体。有“安全”枪引用。科恩先生的备忘录：
世上没有一个安全的枪这样的事情。枪本身是危险的，
除非你如何处理与照顾他们的结果是悲剧性的。所表现出来
关于谁被打死或由700人受伤计划受到影响，因为无论
他们自己或别人指着他们700。
这是尖锐地说明了Gus的理发，谁蒙大拿州的男孩死亡
他的母亲被枪杀芭芭拉于2000年。女士理发卸700
他们的枪口对准了马拖车。在拖车的彼岸
是她的儿子。该步枪去了，通过拖车通过了子弹;格斯
巴伯死亡。这是一个可怕的悲剧，我感到非常的遗憾
这些理发师遭受难以忍受的痛苦。
丰富的理发，格斯的父亲，他相信自己的儿子被炸死，因为步枪
去了意外。事实上，Gus的理发死了，因为有人指出步枪
他。如果步枪已经指出在一个安全的方向，所有的理发店
会获得了一个坏的恐慌。
这样的悲剧可能发生在任何人以任何枪，如果他或她
忽略了安全处理枪总理的指示，提出由Jeff Cooper的最好成绩：
“不要支付与枪任何你不希望破坏的口吻。”
CNBC的节目有一个场景呈现出缅因州波特兰警方狙击手设置
通过简单地关闭了700攻螺栓。难以置信的是，科恩先生没有问
问题在大约步枪所有。任何即使是少量记者枪
知识会拖相机部门的军械，并要求
这个简单的问题：
“你有没有修订在这种步枪的扳机？”
有一个与西海岸采访谁射击场主任指出，737-700
火灾等意外，这些事件的频率被称为“
雷明顿的时刻。“这是又一个例子更多新闻
无知。如果步枪是如此不可靠的，为什么不问科恩
先生们，为什么他们被允许在范围？
在整个方案的过程中，只有一个射手时间允许相机
说什么是伟大的枪700。一。有5百万个型号737-700了
那里。肯定比一个人一定很喜欢它们。他的话里有
发现了两个人说好话？
其中提到，雷明顿刚刚被授予了一份合同，建造3
000多700型狙击步枪，但海军陆战队也有问题
与意外射击。我想这是比较麻烦，有人
解释，700在持续的服务被列为狙击步枪
超过40岁，而以优异的服务是有根据某种
最不利的条件可想而知。否则，为什么美国
政府将购买3000多？是海军陆战队和陆军疯了吗？
这就是我可以告诉与原，沃克700型优
设计的触发器（700触发新的X - Pro的标志，是一个不同的设计
）。
•我得到了我的第一个700，一个模型实际上是在0.222 725，于1960年。有
自那时以来一直没有的时候我还没有拥有至少一700。我
从来没有碰到与其中任何意外发射，也没看到一个，
我们现在所说的50支步枪和数百发子弹数万
年。
•我看到了一个700是不应该被处理。这是一个日常生活
在6毫米的是在20世纪60年代末。它的主人允许射手谁
据说知道怎么做，工作在扳机。他拙劣的工作。
•还有我们来到了问题的症结所在。如果原来的700
触发器有一个故障，那就是它可以被任何人愚弄谁已与一
小螺丝刀。这些调整是微妙的，如果你不知道如何
（或不知道够）之间保持足够的瘢痕和参与
触发连接器，步枪能关火，或火灾时，它的下降，或
火灾时的安全翻转关闭。同样的事情发生在你设置
触发拉低于3磅，它不是设计为低于
水平，并且有一些傻瓜谁爱把它下降到2或2 ½。
现在我有一个沃克触发器，有超过5000名有一个老700
通过几轮把它与从来没有一个问题。但请给我5分钟，一
珠宝商的螺丝刀，我可以做很危险。
够了。我热切地等待着科恩先生的下一个程序。我希望它会在
为什么有那么市民在新闻报道没有多大信心。 | H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 3 ft
老大
不要用机器翻译啊
一句话总结，
这文认为事故的原因一则在于muzzle discipline未能被遵守
二则在于售出以后顾客对扳机的自行调节未经过称职的枪匠之手
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: It is too painful to read long articles in english. Here is the chinese
: version:
: 编者按：在最近争议CNBC的节目，光
: 雷明顿700型步枪被视为不安全的，我们要求编辑器和步枪枪螺母
: 博客大卫E Petzal查看广播，并提供他的想法在
: 这个扩展的职位。 Petzal，一个54岁的射手，全国步枪协会认证步枪
: 教练，前陆军教官，一个国家最重要的枪
: 当局曾这样说：
: 10月20日，CNBC的跑了题为“根据消防雷明顿一个方案：CNBC电视频道
: 调查。“自称是10个月的调查结果，由
| f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 4 Sorry, google's translation is even worse....
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: It is too painful to read long articles in english. Here is the chinese
: version:
: 编者按：在最近争议CNBC的节目，光
: 雷明顿700型步枪被视为不安全的，我们要求编辑器和步枪枪螺母
: 博客大卫E Petzal查看广播，并提供他的想法在
: 这个扩展的职位。 Petzal，一个54岁的射手，全国步枪协会认证步枪
: 教练，前陆军教官，一个国家最重要的枪
: 当局曾这样说：
: 10月20日，CNBC的跑了题为“根据消防雷明顿一个方案：CNBC电视频道
: 调查。“自称是10个月的调查结果，由
| l***a
发帖数: 2677 | 5 呵呵，Remington还真雇了David这个职业枪手。
建议大家都看看那个一小时的专题节目再辩论。别的不如说，自信枪没问题干吗和几个
起诉的偷偷私了？
Portland Snipper，Army, Marine都抱怨枪支走火，难道这几家专业人士都是白痴，不
知道扳机调太轻会出问题？
扳机设计师Mike都承认扳机设计有问题，并且在1947年(?)没投入市场前就要求改进，这
也能抹过去？那时可是每支枪5.5美分就可以解决问题，结果因为成本而不做，用Mike的话说是因为stupidity。现在要
召回要花几千万。
最好的解决办法是召回，否则越抹越黑。不仅有Remintong moment（枪支走火）,还有
Remington rule, don't tell nobody nothing。Remington现在这样的做法，只会失去
更多的顾客。
Nut
gun
by
【在 k**********i 的大作中提到】
: http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2010/10/petzal-different-look-remington-model-700-trigger
: Petzal: CNBC's Remington 700 Trigger Coverage A Clean Miss
: Editor’s Note: In light of the recent controversial CNBC program that
: deemed Remington Model 700 rifles unsafe, we asked Rifles Editor and Gun Nut
: blogger David E. Petzal to view the broadcast and offer his thoughts in
: this extended post. Petzal, a 54-year shooter, NRA Certified Rifle
: Instructor, former Army Drill Sergeant, and one the country’s foremost gun
: authorities, had this to say:
: On October 20, CNBC ran a program entitled “Remington Under Fire: A CNBC
: Investigation.” Claimed to be the result of 10 months’ of investigation by
| T******g
发帖数: 21328 | | c*******l
发帖数: 7820 | 7 谁翻的，提拔他刷厕所去。
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, google's translation is even worse....
| k**********i
发帖数: 8706 | 8 说实话，还是打酱油的居多
毕竟不像toyota当时恐慌那么普遍
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 雷黑 VS 雷饭，呵呵
| G****s
发帖数: 3523 | 9 where is boss J? I was planning a 700. Really need some opinion. | k**********i
发帖数: 8706 | 10 LOL, 看来翻译机引起公愤了
【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】
: 谁翻的，提拔他刷厕所去。
| | | l***a
发帖数: 2677 | 11 X-markpro trigger seems okay. But do you really want to deal this kind of
company?
【在 G****s 的大作中提到】
: where is boss J? I was planning a 700. Really need some opinion.
| l***a
发帖数: 2677 | 12 谈不上雷黑，路见不平吧。R有问题的帖子还是K版最早转过来的，可见大家也不是入哪
家就盲目饭哪家。换成Sako/Tikka，Savage出问题我是同样的态度
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 雷黑 VS 雷饭，呵呵
| G****s
发帖数: 3523 | 13 I was pretty into it but now I'm not sure any more...
【在 l***a 的大作中提到】
: X-markpro trigger seems okay. But do you really want to deal this kind of
: company?
| l***a
发帖数: 2677 | 14 Same here, I had to change my signature after reading this post
【在 G****s 的大作中提到】
: I was pretty into it but now I'm not sure any more...
| C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 15 Same to me. I used to only consider Remington 700 for my next sniper rifle.
Now I consider anything else but Remington. I feel extreme evil in this
company, the same feeling as I have for Toyota, whose car I will never buy
in my life.
【在 l***a 的大作中提到】
: Same here, I had to change my signature after reading this post
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