l******8
发帖数: 9475 | 1 想不好是进现在的型号， 还是等新的。 不知那个在实战中更实用？
当前的型号确实不太好看。
可能快出的型号
有什么推荐的牌子和型号?
谢谢！ |
T*R
发帖数: 25894 | |
C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 3 嗯，脱光了都差远了去了。。。
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 这都不是AR吧....
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l******8
发帖数: 9475 | 4 只好改标题了。 此枪是FNAR.
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，脱光了都差远了去了。。。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 5 哈哈哈哈哈，老宋你差点把我晃的脑袋转筋啊。。。
没经验，不过这个枪看起来相当不错啊：半自动，308，自带Rail，大弹夹，价钱也很
吸引人。。。
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 只好改标题了。 此枪是FNAR.
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 6 新型号看起来确实好看多了。如果价钱也差不多，要是我就会等新型号的。 |
x**********3
发帖数: 1572 | 7 感觉我们的眼光相近， 我也觉得第一把太丑拉。 新的啥时候出来？
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 想不好是进现在的型号， 还是等新的。 不知那个在实战中更实用？
: 当前的型号确实不太好看。
: 可能快出的型号
: 有什么推荐的牌子和型号?
: 谢谢！
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H*******g
发帖数: 6997 | |
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | |
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 10 而且我觉得手枪小握把，除了全自动，其他枪上面其实用的不方便 |
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 11 但是AR/AK的半自动不也是都有小握把吗？老宋的这个也是半自动啊。
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 而且我觉得手枪小握把，除了全自动，其他枪上面其实用的不方便
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M*******y
发帖数: 263 | 12 I am also waiting for the new model, and also I am living kommiefornia
which can potentially delay the sale. :(
【在 x**********3 的大作中提到】
: 感觉我们的眼光相近， 我也觉得第一把太丑拉。 新的啥时候出来？
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 13 The new model is designed to be CA compliant.
When that news first came out I really appreciated how thoughtful FN
was, not just regarding the "featureless" version.
FNARs (although the original design came directly from Winchester SXAR
and Browning BAR hunting rifle) was made to put salt on M1A's wounds:
integrated rails,
nice and solid aluminum receiver NOT pieced together by the trigger
assembly and a wobbling hook on the barrel...
The downside (besides being fugly) is the disassembly and the two-piece
stock that may touch the non-free float barrel under pressure. REALLY?
In the age of modular design, monolithic stock and free floating
barrel, you would deliberately make a precision rifle like THAT? I
guess neither Winchester nor FN wanted to spend too much effort on
making the BAR rifle perfect.
And, what you see is what you'll be stuck with. So don't even hope to
upgrade, free float or glass bed FNARs. Geissele triggers? Krieger
barrels?
Dream on.
But ultimately the price makes it competitive with other 308 semi
autos.
kommiefornia
【在 M*******y 的大作中提到】
: I am also waiting for the new model, and also I am living kommiefornia
: which can potentially delay the sale. :(
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 14 很精彩的评论！
价钱还是非常吸引人的。倒时候看看性能就知道到底值不值得下手了。
assembly
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: The new model is designed to be CA compliant.
: When that news first came out I really appreciated how thoughtful FN
: was, not just regarding the "featureless" version.
: FNARs (although the original design came directly from Winchester SXAR
: and Browning BAR hunting rifle) was made to put salt on M1A's wounds:
: integrated rails,
: nice and solid aluminum receiver NOT pieced together by the trigger
: assembly and a wobbling hook on the barrel...
: The downside (besides being fugly) is the disassembly and the two-piece
: stock that may touch the non-free float barrel under pressure. REALLY?
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l******8
发帖数: 9475 | |
H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 16 现在加州版的有货
但是枪托不可调
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/79620
你买来换个20发弹匣就行。
不过，我觉得这钱可以买一支16" Saiga 308加上一支Rem 700 SPS Tactical了
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 想不好是进现在的型号， 还是等新的。 不知那个在实战中更实用？
: 当前的型号确实不太好看。
: 可能快出的型号
: 有什么推荐的牌子和型号?
: 谢谢！
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l******8
发帖数: 9475 | 17 应该是这样的.
我买枪是为应急用, 可靠放第一位. 你有什么型号的AR可推荐的? 给太太的轻型枪
是否选好了?
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: The new model is designed to be CA compliant.
: When that news first came out I really appreciated how thoughtful FN
: was, not just regarding the "featureless" version.
: FNARs (although the original design came directly from Winchester SXAR
: and Browning BAR hunting rifle) was made to put salt on M1A's wounds:
: integrated rails,
: nice and solid aluminum receiver NOT pieced together by the trigger
: assembly and a wobbling hook on the barrel...
: The downside (besides being fugly) is the disassembly and the two-piece
: stock that may touch the non-free float barrel under pressure. REALLY?
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 18 The FNAR light/heavy has no upgrade potentials, weighing 9 or 11 lbs
unloaded;
The FNAR match is a 10-pound rifle.
So no matter what model you get, it's gonna be benchrest...
I suggest other platforms for more practical use. |
H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 19 可靠肯定是AK了
买个改好的saiga：
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1149.aspx
加上一千多发密封好的军剩弹：
http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=6974&dir=18|830|851
然后加一个Aimpoint PRO红点
——相当靠谱的应急用步枪。
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 应该是这样的.
: 我买枪是为应急用, 可靠放第一位. 你有什么型号的AR可推荐的? 给太太的轻型枪
: 是否选好了?
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l******8
发帖数: 9475 | 20 老的型号我同学那里有一只, 我打过几次, 感觉打起来很舒服, 而且同学说到现在没卡
过.
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 很精彩的评论！
: 价钱还是非常吸引人的。倒时候看看性能就知道到底值不值得下手了。
:
: assembly
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x*7
发帖数: 11281 | 21 我觉得
应急用，有个762X39的saiga就够了
在jgsale才300多，再加一箱子子弹
还不到这个FNAR的零头
那个可靠性是公认的吧
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: 可靠肯定是AK了
: 买个改好的saiga：
: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1149.aspx
: 加上一千多发密封好的军剩弹：
: http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=6974&dir=18|830|851
: 然后加一个Aimpoint PRO红点
: ——相当靠谱的应急用步枪。
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C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 22 嗯，听起来很不错！SemperFortis提到扳机之类的不能改，如果很舒服了，我也才懒得
改呢，还费钱，呵呵呵。
再有就是精度了，SemperFortis提到该枪不是浮动枪管。所以不知道对精度，尤其是比
较快速射击的精度的影响有多大。如果不大，那就最好了。
当然还有重量。不过，这种口径的半自动，9磅应该还是比较正常的。当然，老兄可要
想好了，这种枪tactical起来的确比较困难。
我记得老兄只有手枪，而且对可靠性要求很高。要是我的话，我回附和Hetzer选AK74。
枪要轻得多，子弹要带得多。一二百米对付敌人没问题，而且要远远更适合短兵相接。
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 老的型号我同学那里有一只, 我打过几次, 感觉打起来很舒服, 而且同学说到现在没卡
: 过.
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l******8
发帖数: 9475 | 23 我没选AK是因为我觉得遇到大事后, 弹药的补给会比较困难.
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: 可靠肯定是AK了
: 买个改好的saiga：
: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1149.aspx
: 加上一千多发密封好的军剩弹：
: http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=6974&dir=18|830|851
: 然后加一个Aimpoint PRO红点
: ——相当靠谱的应急用步枪。
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l******8
发帖数: 9475 | 24 有两只长枪: Tikka T3 Lite 308 & Ruger 10/22.
。
【在 C*******d 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，听起来很不错！SemperFortis提到扳机之类的不能改，如果很舒服了，我也才懒得
: 改呢，还费钱，呵呵呵。
: 再有就是精度了，SemperFortis提到该枪不是浮动枪管。所以不知道对精度，尤其是比
: 较快速射击的精度的影响有多大。如果不大，那就最好了。
: 当然还有重量。不过，这种口径的半自动，9磅应该还是比较正常的。当然，老兄可要
: 想好了，这种枪tactical起来的确比较困难。
: 我记得老兄只有手枪，而且对可靠性要求很高。要是我的话，我回附和Hetzer选AK74。
: 枪要轻得多，子弹要带得多。一二百米对付敌人没问题，而且要远远更适合短兵相接。
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 25 我研究了许多家piston AR， 出于穷人的角度, < $1500的budget---这个钱买DI普通AR
可以买很好的了， 但piston要贵一些。
现成的都不理想， 只好自己拼：
$299 PSA complete lower (magpul MOE grip & stock), 虽然我更喜欢UBR stock, 但
那玩意一磅半重。
14.5 - 16", 1:9 medium profile barrel
FSC556 / BattleComp 2.0
piston kit, 兼容magpul MOE
BCM gf charging handle
不过现在仍然是在意淫状态, 穷的连气油都要买不起了。
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 应该是这样的.
: 我买枪是为应急用, 可靠放第一位. 你有什么型号的AR可推荐的? 给太太的轻型枪
: 是否选好了?
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C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 26 Saiga也有308的，就500来块，可以考虑。要好点的VEPR 308的最近又进口了，也可以
考虑。比这个便宜多了。 |
C*******d
发帖数: 15836 | 27 啊，看来我记错了。
既然这样，我觉得你还是缺近中程的tactical的半自动。因为中远程已经可以覆盖，口
径也够。可能你是觉得要.308来统一口径。不过这个貌似很难统一，差距实在太大了。
如果你既要可靠性，又要弹药补充充足，那么.223的Saiga估计是最好的选择了，还很
便宜，呵呵呵。
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 有两只长枪: Tikka T3 Lite 308 & Ruger 10/22.
:
: 。
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 28 DPMS LR308 L是7.9磅
我觉得这是个很好的开始。 装个leupold 3x9 ultralight, talley ultralite scope
ring, 装10发子弹也就8.75 lbs的样子。 |
h*********2
发帖数: 2508 | 29 今年出了只简化版，没了pistol group: 不到$1k,
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2FN3108929142-1.html
折腾的目的是为了好使，如果原本就很不错，能不能折腾不要紧吧？ 到现在我也没找
到什么配件好折腾我的H&K P30L...
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: 我没选AK是因为我觉得遇到大事后, 弹药的补给会比较困难.
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M*******y
发帖数: 263 | 30 YES, this gun looks great.
IF I just buy a gun, no plan to upgrade or accessorize, and mainly
just for gun range and maybe hunting, is this gun a good choice?
I really do not understand what is the 'two piece stock' you guys
are talking about? is free floating barrel really important?
【在 h*********2 的大作中提到】
: 今年出了只简化版，没了pistol group: 不到$1k,
: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2FN3108929142-1.html
: 折腾的目的是为了好使，如果原本就很不错，能不能折腾不要紧吧？ 到现在我也没找
: 到什么配件好折腾我的H&K P30L...
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 31 for range shooting, prone and benchrest, this gun is great for the money.
for hunting, the weight is an issue. .308 semi-autos can be much lighter.
For the same design in a different package, Browning BAR ShortTrac Stalker
comes in 6 lbs 10oz. while FNAR (the tactical version) comes in 9 and 10 lbs
empty gun, and 11 lbs for FNAR match.
You DON'T want to hump around a 12 lbs rifle on a hunting trip
As far as the two piece stock and free float is concerned, it can be
problematic (and a few reports to confirm this) for shooters who tend to get
the most accuracy out of their gun.
Free floating is not necessary to make a rifle stay accurate. The same can
be done with a very solid stock (preferably monolithic or "one piece") and/
or glass bedding. Free floating is perhaps the easiest and cheapest way to
maintain accuracy. Glass bedding can deteriorate with wear and tear, and
can also make cleaning and maintenance extremely difficult; solid stocks
usually extends far down the barrel and apply constant and even pressure on
the barrel, this usually requires no maintenance give or take a few
exceptions, but the gun would weight a ton due to the extra material used.
Cost to produce such stock is also high.
FNAR does not have any of the above. When the forend is not solid enough,
pressure from bipod or sandbag will bend the forend slightly til it touches
the barrel, therefore applying uneven pressure on the barrel, disrupting the
barrel harmonics. There are extreme cases when FNAR heavy barrels produced
3" groups @ 100 yard caused by the stock.
【在 M*******y 的大作中提到】
: YES, this gun looks great.
: IF I just buy a gun, no plan to upgrade or accessorize, and mainly
: just for gun range and maybe hunting, is this gun a good choice?
: I really do not understand what is the 'two piece stock' you guys
: are talking about? is free floating barrel really important?
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M*******y
发帖数: 263 | 32 This is really helpful reply, Thanks, old navy.
I checked out the BAR shorttrac you mentioned, it make more sense than
FNAR.
And I am also following the thread about verp hunter, any input on
that gun? especially about scope mount solution.
lbs
get
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: for range shooting, prone and benchrest, this gun is great for the money.
: for hunting, the weight is an issue. .308 semi-autos can be much lighter.
: For the same design in a different package, Browning BAR ShortTrac Stalker
: comes in 6 lbs 10oz. while FNAR (the tactical version) comes in 9 and 10 lbs
: empty gun, and 11 lbs for FNAR match.
: You DON'T want to hump around a 12 lbs rifle on a hunting trip
: As far as the two piece stock and free float is concerned, it can be
: problematic (and a few reports to confirm this) for shooters who tend to get
: the most accuracy out of their gun.
: Free floating is not necessary to make a rifle stay accurate. The same can
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l******8
发帖数: 9475 | 33 收藏了。
谢谢！
lbs
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: for range shooting, prone and benchrest, this gun is great for the money.
: for hunting, the weight is an issue. .308 semi-autos can be much lighter.
: For the same design in a different package, Browning BAR ShortTrac Stalker
: comes in 6 lbs 10oz. while FNAR (the tactical version) comes in 9 and 10 lbs
: empty gun, and 11 lbs for FNAR match.
: You DON'T want to hump around a 12 lbs rifle on a hunting trip
: As far as the two piece stock and free float is concerned, it can be
: problematic (and a few reports to confirm this) for shooters who tend to get
: the most accuracy out of their gun.
: Free floating is not necessary to make a rifle stay accurate. The same can
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 34 I still think dpms ar LR308L is better though, if you swap out the fixed
A2 stock, which is 24.5 oz including the buffer tube, (the A2 stock alone
is 14oz) with a carbine tube and CAR stock (14.5oz), it would shave off
10 oz;
take out the forward assist (not sure if possible), that's another 2-3
oz;
the barrel is stainless steel light contour, maybe you can flute it to
save a few more oz, leaving you a ~6.9 lbs .308 AR with free floating
barrel.
loaded weight should be around 8.5 lbs including optics and sling.
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M*******y
发帖数: 263 | 35 YES, but dpms is not CA legal, I am in bay area.
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: I still think dpms ar LR308L is better though, if you swap out the fixed
: A2 stock, which is 24.5 oz including the buffer tube, (the A2 stock alone
: is 14oz) with a carbine tube and CAR stock (14.5oz), it would shave off
: 10 oz;
: take out the forward assist (not sure if possible), that's another 2-3
: oz;
: the barrel is stainless steel light contour, maybe you can flute it to
: save a few more oz, leaving you a ~6.9 lbs .308 AR with free floating
: barrel.
: loaded weight should be around 8.5 lbs including optics and sling.
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 36 buy a lower (dpms compatible)
buy the dpms LR308L upper
push in the pins :D
a small step for a man, a giant middle finger to Commiefornia government.
【在 M*******y 的大作中提到】
: YES, but dpms is not CA legal, I am in bay area.
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