i***e
发帖数: 373 | 1 HK P30 is banned in California. Sig P229 seems a little bit too heavy from
being perfect to me. Before settling on P229 9mm, wondering who's the 2nd
best to HK P30? Attached pic is HK models available in California.
Thanks for any tips! |
W*********g
发帖数: 409 | 2 P2000,内部和P30一样。除了mag release有点磨中指，没有P30舒服外，别的感觉不到
太大区别。 |
i***e
发帖数: 373 | 3 Thanks!
V2 or V3 then? V2 is LEM, without decocker, but V3 is with decocker. I kinda
like having a decocker. Haven't done homework on LEM yet.
【在 W*********g 的大作中提到】
: P2000,内部和P30一样。除了mag release有点磨中指，没有P30舒服外，别的感觉不到
: 太大区别。
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k*******n
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W*********g
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i***e
发帖数: 373 | 6 Home defense and take out for camping etc. Want my LD to be comfortable with
it as well.
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: 问枪不指明用途，楼下帮你吧。
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W*********g
发帖数: 409 | 7
with
Lem for sure. DA pull is little bit hard for lady.
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】
: Home defense and take out for camping etc. Want my LD to be comfortable with
: it as well.
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i***e
发帖数: 373 | 8 Why is LEM more recommended?
I just don't understand why Glock or HK LEM is considered as safe without a
decocker. The best I can take is they are safe enough (trigger not that easy
to pull accidentally). But having a decocker should be safer, right?
【在 W*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我的都是V3，不过好像推荐lem的居多。
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W*********g
发帖数: 409 | 9 Lem 和Glock可不一样，Lem的笫一枪扳机行程和双动一样长。FB丨有研究表明，扳机行
程是影响安全性的主要因素。 |
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 10 DA/SA LEM都可以，DA/SA训练麻烦一些，原则是，上膛之后/射击间歇,枪收回到胸前
ready位置，必须decock! 尽量避免忘记decock,握着SA的枪奔跑移动或者收枪入套。
我很喜欢用support hand decock, 特别是sig. HKP2000/P30decock的位置不错，不妨
碍support hand控枪，decock不方便但那时没人和你比赛decock速度。 |
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W*********g
发帖数: 409 | 11 P30的双动我LP扳不动，92fs换了D Sping以后勉强扳动。glock倒是容易扣，但我又担
心她limp wrist, 难呐。。。 |
i***e
发帖数: 373 | 12 Agree that a DA/SA is very dangerous if you forgot to decock after 1st shoot
. This is a good tip why having a decocker is not necessarily safer.
I like to decock with supporting hand as well. That probably depends on how
big your hands are.
【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】
: DA/SA LEM都可以，DA/SA训练麻烦一些，原则是，上膛之后/射击间歇,枪收回到胸前
: ready位置，必须decock! 尽量避免忘记decock,握着SA的枪奔跑移动或者收枪入套。
: 我很喜欢用support hand decock, 特别是sig. HKP2000/P30decock的位置不错，不妨
: 碍support hand控枪，decock不方便但那时没人和你比赛decock速度。
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q*****y
发帖数: 227 | 13 p30在加州还是能买到的，要做SSE，多花100刀，我刚买了个P30L.不知楼主在哪,可以
搜一搜附近的dealer,看看哪家可以做。楼主要是在San Diego附近，我可以推荐你几个
dealer.
p2000那个magzine release的确磨手，我又一次在靶场打了两百发，中指都磨红了。
p30要比p2000更舒服些。 |
i***e
发帖数: 373 | 14 A good link on HK P2000 V3 vs V2: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=132246
The best part of it copied here:
I have a P2000SK .40 LEM. The trigger pull is the SAME for each round. You
carry it with a round in the chamber, no safety lever, ready to fire with a
pull of the trigger. The trigger pull is "longish" but that in itself is the
safety mechanism. The reset is relatively short.
I thought the 8# standard LEM trigger too heavy so I swapped out two springs
(less than $10) to make my LEM triggers work at 4.5#. (I had my DA/SA
fullsize USP .45 converted to this LEM also, with the safety lever removed.)
I absolutely love the LEM trigger with the lightened springs.
To understand the LEM better - with the gun and magazine unloaded and no
ammo in the room, rack the slide. Now pull the trigger but don't let the
trigger return. Holding the trigger completely depressed, rack the slide
again. Now slowly release the trigger until you feel it "click." That's the
reset point where you can now fire another round, if it was loaded. Note
that the trigger pull is consistent from round to round.
Note that you CANNOT convert the DA/SA P2000SK to LEM. For more info on this
, visit www.hkpros.com or /www.hk-usa.com
OK, first starting with an empty gun, you insert a loaded magazine and rack
the slide to put a round in the chamber. Now you use the decocker to lower
the hammer to a safe rest. Now, to fire off that round, you can use the
trigger in DA mode to bring the hammer back and then drop the hammer. One
move (DA) to start the process. Now, since the round fired and cycled the
slide, the hammer is already back. That means you can just pull the trigger
in SA mode to drop the hammer and continue the cycle.
Speaking about the STANDARD LEM ("Law Enforcement Modification" - no safety
lever to forget to disengage when the gun is to be fired) with the heavier 8
# trigger pull. You insert a loaded mag into the empty gun and rack the
slide to put a round into the chamber. Now the SK is ready to fire with a
single 8# pull of the trigger. The hammer stays at an apparent resting
position and as the trigger is pulled, the hammer is lifted. The real "
weight" happens with less than 1/4 of the trigger travel left. When the
trigger is pulled through that point, the hammer drops. Now the gun fires,
cycles the slide back, inserts a new round into the chamber and returns the
hammer to a concealed resting spot (into the rear of the slide rather than
sticking out the back of the slide.) The process is repeated with no change
in spring or trigger weight. The trigger weight stays at either the standard
8# or lighter 4.5# pull, depending upon the installed springs. When you are
done shooting, you reholster. There is no safety lever or decocker. It is
safe to carry fully loaded with a round in the chamber.
You would carry a LEM-trigger HK with a round in the chamber, with no safety
lever to disengage. The trigger pull is long but the reset is crisp and
short. The length of the trigger pull, compared to the standard DA/SA HK, is
much longer. But after one round is fired, the reset point to which the
trigger must return before it can fire the next round is pretty short and
nicely crisp in feel. You can keep your finger holding the trigger at that
point if you intend to fire immediately.
DA/SA and LEM triggers are different. In fact, after shooting my USP v1 for
a year, then getting a new P2000SK LEM, I honestly thought that the SK was
defective. I mean that I pulled the trigger, pulled it some more and still
no "bang." In retrospect, it was sort of funny. But if you simply focus on
the trigger pull with an unloaded gun to see where the free travel stops and
the trigger pull actually starts, it all makes sense. Now both my SK and
USP have LEM triggers with the light springs! I was at first worried that
the trigger would be too light (hazardous) but that is not the case at all.
It's extremely controllable, very safe, definitely predictable. Just take
the time to understand how it works (unloaded!)
IMPORTANT: The most common mistake is when gun shops let the customer pull
the LEM trigger without having cycled the slide to cock the hammer first.
You NEVER use a LEM-trigger HK without having racked the slide first. The
trigger pull without having racked the slide is horrible. Fortunately, that
only happens if you don't have a round in the chamber and the gun is not
able to fire anything. For a true feel of the trigger, the LEM HK must have
the slide racked first.
【在 W*********g 的大作中提到】
: Lem 和Glock可不一样，Lem的笫一枪扳机行程和双动一样长。FB丨有研究表明，扳机行
: 程是影响安全性的主要因素。
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 15
shoot
how
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4212-General-Thoughts-on
有兴趣你可以读下这篇帖子，虽然笔者自己爱用LEM. Good Luck!
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】
: Agree that a DA/SA is very dangerous if you forgot to decock after 1st shoot
: . This is a good tip why having a decocker is not necessarily safer.
: I like to decock with supporting hand as well. That probably depends on how
: big your hands are.
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 16 我个人用的Glock(SFA)和P2000 LEM。
但和朋友出去练枪，经常打SIG DA/SA，我身边几乎人手一只。有一次我只带了子弹和
空枪盒，用朋友的一把P229练了一天。 |
f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 17 HK P30管轴高，扳机烂，形成长，涩，reset超级长，要找个2nd best to P30还真不容
易。找个比P30好的倒是一大堆
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】
: HK P30 is banned in California. Sig P229 seems a little bit too heavy from
: being perfect to me. Before settling on P229 9mm, wondering who's the 2nd
: best to HK P30? Attached pic is HK models available in California.
: Thanks for any tips!
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d****e
发帖数: 2856 | 18 Walther PPQ加州能买不？
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】
: HK P30 is banned in California. Sig P229 seems a little bit too heavy from
: being perfect to me. Before settling on P229 9mm, wondering who's the 2nd
: best to HK P30? Attached pic is HK models available in California.
: Thanks for any tips!
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a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 19 貌似不在白名单上
from
2nd
【在 d****e 的大作中提到】
: Walther PPQ加州能买不？
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d*******s
发帖数: 15155 | 20 如果能像１９１１一样想着上保险，又怎么可能忘了decock？位置一样的lever而已
shoot
how
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】
: Agree that a DA/SA is very dangerous if you forgot to decock after 1st shoot
: . This is a good tip why having a decocker is not necessarily safer.
: I like to decock with supporting hand as well. That probably depends on how
: big your hands are.
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i***e
发帖数: 373 | 21 Didn't know about SSE. Thanks for the tip!
I'm in Bay Area. There are few dealers around.
What's the advantage of P30 over P2000? If P2000 is good enough, I may save
the hassle.
【在 q*****y 的大作中提到】
: p30在加州还是能买到的，要做SSE，多花100刀，我刚买了个P30L.不知楼主在哪,可以
: 搜一搜附近的dealer,看看哪家可以做。楼主要是在San Diego附近，我可以推荐你几个
: dealer.
: p2000那个magzine release的确磨手，我又一次在靶场打了两百发，中指都磨红了。
: p30要比p2000更舒服些。
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q*****y
发帖数: 227 | 22 相对于P30，我更喜欢P30L.个人感觉P30的定位有点奇怪，比一般的全尺寸小，又比一
般的compact大，P30L是全尺寸。P2000因为是compact,打起来有点kick, 不如全尺寸的
好控制，需要多练习，我家LD就不喜欢P2000,她总觉得控制不好。另外P30(L)的握把要
比P2000的舒服些，可调性更强，更容易适合手小的人。还有就是前面说的那个P2000的
magazine release, 你可以到店里试一下，我觉得非常不舒服，磨中指，但奇怪的是，
在我买其他的HK的枪之前(P2000是俺的第一把枪),并没注意到，直到后来入了HK45和
P30L，感觉就非常明显，而且每次握着P2000心理想着这个magazine release磨手，就
更觉得磨手:)
P30(L)的扳机的确不咋地，reset很长，我感觉比P2000的要长，但我对扳机不怎么挑剔
，一是多打打就习惯了，二是主要是用来抚摸和家防（主要给LD用，适合她的手），而
且喜欢P30L的样子和可靠性。
save
【在 i***e 的大作中提到】
: Didn't know about SSE. Thanks for the tip!
: I'm in Bay Area. There are few dealers around.
: What's the advantage of P30 over P2000? If P2000 is good enough, I may save
: the hassle.
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